lil_penny
11-22-2009, 12:24 AM
I'm pretty sure it was posted in the spurs forum the other day ill try and find it.
Culburn369
11-22-2009, 05:17 AM
Sorry, fellows. I didn't see this until just this morning:
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Welcome to the first edition of our sophomore rankings, in which we'll break down the top 20 second-year players every other week all season long.
We'll evaluate these players strictly on the merits of this season to date, including how they are impacting their teams (if two players are playing at about the same level, I'll rank the player on the more successful team higher). What these players did last season, or what I think they'll do over their careers, will have no bearing on this report. So a player like Derrick Rose, who obviously has a brilliant future but is currently struggling, will not score well here until his on-court production improves.
With these things in mind, here's our first look at the top 20 sophomores. And yes, it's all about the bigs this week.
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Gasol
1. Marc Gasol (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3206), Grizzlies
Lost in all of Memphis' early misery has been the play of Gasol. He finishes shots. He grabs defensive rebounds. He hits perimeter shots. And he's the Grizzlies' best team defender. If Memphis is to survive these tough times and ever returns to the playoffs, they will need someone steady like Gasol to do his thing every night.
2. Russell Westbrook (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3468), Thunder
Westbrook still has the upside we all saw last season: He's capable of carrying a team on offense while making play after play on defense. But like all young points trying to learn the position, it's been a roller-coaster ride. In a five-game stretch this season, he amassed a whopping 29 turnovers. Then on Tuesday he killed the Heat with 24 points on 13 shots, seven assists, a steal, a block and just two turnovers in a huge road win. That's the Westbrook we should be seeing more of in the near future.
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Hibbert
3. Roy Hibbert (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3436), Pacers
Hibbert is on the early list for most improved player. For a guy with a nice perimeter shot, he's using his size to pound the paint instead -- he's getting 69 percent of his baskets in the paint. His rebounding numbers are way up, too. And more importantly, he's helping the Pacers win; they've won five of seven games this month with Hibbert scoring in double figures and shooting better than 50 percent shooting in each game. Earlier this week, he had 19 points (on 9-of-11 shooting), 10 rebounds and three blocks against fellow soph Brook Lopez (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3448).
4. Jason Thompson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3462), Kings
Thompson has had some monster games for the resurgent Kings, showing his promise as both a power forward and a center. His activity inside, combined with his size and length, create many opportunities for him as both a scorer and a rebounder. Unfortunately, it also puts him in frequent foul trouble. As he learns to play smarter, the Kings will have a legit starting big man.
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Oden
5. Greg Oden (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3225), Trail Blazers
This big guy's confidence is coming on strong. He's averaging 11 points, eight rebounds and two blocks a game in November, while hitting almost 62 percent of his shots. All in just 24 minutes a game. (It's not his fault the Blazers have the best rebounding center in the league playing behind him.)
He's often been dominant on the defensive end and on the backboards. If he begins to assert himself more on offense, we'll be talking about All-Star Game appearances soon.
6. Brook Lopez (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3448), Nets
Lopez has been solid, improving in a few areas since last season. Unfortunately, he is far from being able to carry a team on his own. At least this injury-plagued team. He's also not shooting well from the perimeter right now -- just 36 percent outside the paint. His shooting skill is what made him such a tough cover last season, when the floor was better spaced with scoring threats around him. As the Nets get healthier, Lopez's numbers should, too.
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Anderson
7. Ryan Anderson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3412), Magic
What a difference a trade makes. Anderson now plays for a team that not only can contend for a title, but employs an offense that fits perfectly with his talents. His 3-point shooting (40 percent) and hustle in the paint allow him to serve as a Rashard Lewis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=469) clone. He has already had a big impact in many games, and his upside on this team is considerable.
8. Anthony Randolph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3455), Warriors
Who would have guessed that Randolph, who looked the part of an immature teenager at times last season, would end up being more professional than many of the people around him on his team? Despite the turmoil in Golden State, Randolph has played some excellent basketball. He's third among all power forwards in the NBA in defensive rebound rate, he's hitting 85 percent of his free throws (40-for-47) and he's scoring 12 points a game in just 20 minutes per game. And he just turned 20 this past summer -- he's younger than DeJuan Blair (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3965) by three months and a few months older than Tyreke Evans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3983) and Brandon Jennings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3997).
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Fernandez
9. Rudy Fernandez (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3204), Trail Blazers
Some guys take major and obvious steps forward in their second season. Others, such as Fernandez, take incremental but pivotal steps that significantly impact their team. Fernandez is still shooting and making a lot of 3s this season (19-for-47 -- 40 percent), but it's his defense that has people taking notice. Fernandez may well be the Blazers' best perimeter team defender. In other words, their defense may be at its best when he's in the game compared to any other guard or wing.
10. Chris Douglas-Roberts (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3422), Nets
Injuries have opened major minutes for CDR, and he's taken advantage of the opportunity. He's coming off back-to-back career highs (27 and then 31 points) and getting to the free throw line a good deal. More impressively, he pulled down 22 rebounds in those two games combined. Injuries or not, CDR looks to have earned a place in the Nets' rotation.
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Mayo
11. O.J. Mayo (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3450), Grizzlies
It's not his fault his team is crummy, although his overall defensive production hasn't been that good (but I'm not sure he's to blame). Mayo was projected as a guy who was ready to play when he entered the league, and that's been pretty on the mark. His production -- scoring, shooting, trips to the line -- has been pretty much the same as last season. On a better team, we'd hear about him more often.
12. Eric Gordon (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3431), Clippers
Gordon has not played since Nov. 7 due to a groin injury. But he was playing at a fairly high level before then, averaging 18 points and four assists per game, while shooting better than 40 percent from 3-point territory. He has outplayed every guard in this class so far, except maybe Westbrook.
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Gallinari
13. Danilo Gallinari (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3428), Knicks
Since he was drafted, there has been a lot of buzz from Knicks personnel about what a great shooter Gallo is. He's proving them right. He has hit 34 of 72 3s (47 percent) and 22 of 25 free throws (88 percent). He can change a game with that kind of shooting, and already had a game in which he made 8 of 16 3s. However, he's doing little else of impact right now. He's not among the top 50 power forwards in defensive rebound rate. To be worthy of his draft slot, he needs to do more.
14. George Hill (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3438), Spurs
Hill is quietly becoming a very solid NBA player. He has nice range on his shot (10-of-24 from 3 -- 41.7 percent), rarely turns the ball over (just 11 turnovers after 10 games) and, most importantly, plays terrific defense on the ball. He is in San Antonio's regular rotation and is averaging more than 30 minutes a game in November due to Tony Parker's injury.
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Ilyasova
15. Ersan Ilyasova (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2767), Bucks
Drafted in 2005, this is only his second season playing in the NBA. His feel for the game and coordination at 6-foot-10 give him the ability to be a strong role player in this league. But his 19-point, 12-rebound game against Dallas and his excellent 3-point shooting suggest he may have the potential to be even more.
16. Donte Greene (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3432), Kings
No player has been a more pleasant surprise than Greene, who is playing extremely well in just 13 minutes a game. I've always loved the spirit he brings to games as a benchwarmer, but now he's doing it on the court with his play. He's scoring off the dribble and in transition, and he recently recorded a career-high 24 points on 19 shots against the Bulls. If he stops taking so many 3s and focuses on his game inside 16 feet, he might earn himself a starting spot in Sacramento.
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Chalmers
17. Mario Chalmers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3419), Heat
Chalmers is another guy who has improved slightly since last season, specifically as a shooter. This is great on a Miami team that needs its perimeter players to make shots, of course. Most of his other metrics, however, are down a tad at the moment, though they'll likely improve to last season's levels. Still, he's starting for a playoff contender, playing solid team defense and averaging almost two steals per game.
18. J.J. Hickson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3437), Cavaliers
After barely playing at the start of the season, Hickson exploded last week with games of 18, 20 and 21 points on a combined 23-of-31 shooting. He's starting to figure out how to play next to LeBron and within the offense. By taking fewer perimeter shots, he's giving himself a chance to use his athletic talents and size around the paint. Watch out for him; he's capable of earning a top-10 spot in our rankings by April.
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Rose
19. Derrick Rose (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3456), Bulls
Rose is almost unrecognizable right now. The 2008-09 rookie of the year is worse in almost every statistical category this season, and his ability to blow past defenders is nonexistent. It appears his ankle injury is the reason for the latter, but that doesn't explain his poor shooting mechanics currently on display. He has one of the lowest player efficiency ratings of our top 20.
He does, however, seem completely aware that he has to play better for the Bulls to win consistently. I suspect he will and, thus, will rise up our rankings. His second half against the Lakers on Thursday night was a step in the right direction.
20. Michael Beasley (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3418), Heat
Beasley has been even more disappointing than Rose this season. Like Rose, his numbers have dropped in almost every statistical category, and his perimeter shooting has been awful.
On the plus side, Beasley appears to be making some strides playing team defense. But too many of his classmates have outplayed him thus far, and he's fortunate to even make our top 20. If he pays more attention to the little things and shows more passion in the big things (such as rebounding), he's sure to zoom up this report.
Honorable mention: Marreese Speights (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3460), 76ers
No player in this class was playing at a higher level this season than Speights, who has quietly become one of the best finishing big men in the game. He is the PER leader for all sophs, and outperformed Elton Brand (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=91) early on. Unfortunately, a knee injury (torn MCL) will sideline him for a couple of months.
Culburn369
11-22-2009, 05:24 AM
Here's some more good stuff from Rumor Central on Friday:
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Quick return for Nelson?
5:04PM ET
Jameer Nelson | Magic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=orl)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/2439.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2439) Jameer Nelson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2439) was expcted to miss four-to-six weeks after arthroscopic surgery to repair a torn lateral meniscus on his left knee on Wednesday, but his teammates think he'll return in three weeks, according to the Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-orlando-magic-notes-1121-20091120,0,6398326.story).
Is T-Mac on his way out?
5:02PM ET
Tracy McGrady | Rockets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=hou)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/532.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=532) There was a report (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors?date=20091120#12677) Friday that Tracy McGrady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=532) and Rick Adelman had a spat Wednesday when McGrady put on his uniform during pregame warmups. Both sides denied the rift and McGrady told the Houston Chronicle (http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2009/11/hawks_105_rockets_103_mcgrady_1.html) he was not the source for the report.
Some have said McGrady is unsure if the Rockets want him to play because they are collecting insurance money and that upset Rockets owner Leslie Alexander (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/rockets/6732407.html), especially since McGrady has made $120 million from the Rockets.
The relationship between McGrady and the Rockets is strained and McGrady's days in Houston are numbered, whether he gets traded or leaves via free agency next summer.
Bosh following LeBron's lead?
5:00PM ET
Chris Bosh | Raptors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=tor)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/1977.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977) With the Heat playing in Toronto last night, Chris Bosh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977) was asked about his plans for this summer, since Miami has enough money to sign him as a free agent. Bosh reiterated that he doesn't know how his situation will play out.
"It's all a part of the business. I understand it's going to happen," Bosh told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-miami-heat-notes-s112009,0,7439027.story). "I think LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966) kind of said it best. You have to be respectful of my teammates and make sure I focus on this season, no matter what happens."
Young struggling with new scheme
4:57PM ET
Thaddeus Young | 76ers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=phi)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/3244.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3244) The 76ers are still trying to adapt to Eddie Jordan's Princeton offense and Thaddeus Young (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3244) admits it has been difficult.
"It's been hard, I'm not going to lie," Young told The Commercial-Appeal (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/nov/21/no-headline---2009-11-20-234840330337/). "We'll have certain plays where we're supposed to make a cut and set a screen here, or set a screen there, maybe receive a flare screen after you pass the ball. It's a lot to try to remember on one play. It's going to take time."
Sheed's not worried
4:57PM ET
Rasheed Wallace | Celtics (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/883.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=883) Celtics coach Doc Rivers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1579) is clear that he wants Rasheed Wallace (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=883) to score closer to the basket and stop shooting so many 3-pointers (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors?date=20091120#12690). Wallace was 0-for-8 from beyond the arc Friday against Orlando and is now 22-for-70 on the season, but says he is not concerned.
"I ain't worried about it, honestly," Wallace told The Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/11/21/wallace_is_unable_to_zero_in/). "I probably rushed about two or three of them. Other than that, it's good looks, they're just not going for me. I'm not worried about my offense now. It's still early in the season, I know I won't be shooting like this for the duration of the season."
More tests for Dampier
4:50PM ET
Erick Dampier | Mavericks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/181.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=181) Mavs center Erick Dampier (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=181) became ill prior to last Sunday's game in Detroit. He spent that night in a hospital and then traveled back to Dallas. Coach Rick Carlisle said Dampier's future should become clearer soon.
"I think we'll know sometime next week where things are at," Carlisle told The Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/112109dnspomavslede.2d81a6233.html). "I know there's still some testing being done."
Is K.G. okay?
12:00PM ET
Kevin Garnett | Celtics (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/261.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=261) Kevin Garnett (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=261) seemed to be lacking any explosion last night as a good number of his shots hit the front of the rim. Should fans be worried? No, according to coach Doc Rivers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1579) who said it's common for a player recovering from surgery to have games like that.
"No he's not finishing," Rivers told the Boston Herald (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20091121kevin_garnetts_burst_takes_night_off/). "One day he's explosive, one day he's not, one day he's healthy, one day he's not, and that's just gonna take time. Coming into the year, obviously you would want him to be explosive if you could pick tonight. Tomorrow we don't need you.
"But you could see that today. It takes time. Some days you have legs, some days you don't. It's your back. It doesn't matter what the injury is, almost. That's just how it works."
Magloire to play for Canada?
11:59AM ET
Jamaal Magloire | Heat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/498.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=498) Heat center Jamaal Magloire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=498) is "strongly considering" playing for Canada at the World Championships in Turkey next summer reports The Miami Herald (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/basketball/story/1344766.html).
Heat teammate and fellow Canadian Joel Anthony (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3247) has been recruiting Magloire to play.
"I want to give my support and do anything I can to help," Magloire said.
Williams wants your vote
11:34AM ET
Deron Williams | Jazz (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=uth)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/2798.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2798) Deron Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2798) may put together a video campaign for All-Star votes. Until he decides his agents have launched one on deronwilliams.com.
"The whole goal is to create awareness of voting every day via online and text [messaging]," Steve Wright told The Salt Lake Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_13828012). "Every vote counts and we're trying to get Deron to All-Star."
"That's what I don't really want to do," Williams said. "I don't want to have to try to beg for votes. But there's little things you can do to try to gain more."
Carlos back to the old Booz?
11:18AM ET
Carlos Boozer | Jazz (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=uth)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/1703.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1703) Carlos Boozer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1703) had been struggling to start the season, but recently his play has picked up. Deron Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2798) thinks Boozer's improved health is the main reason for the turnaround.
"He's getting back to the old Booz, before he was hurt," Williams to the Deseret News (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705346159/Boozer-looking-like-the-old-Booz.html). "He's getting more lift on his shots, getting more lift on everything. And you can see his confidence growing. He's got the fadeaway going now, and he just looks like a totally different Booz."
Boozer says he has more confidence and is learning to relax.
"For me, it's just playing with confidence," Boozer said. "If I mess up, you've just got to move on. I learned that early this season. I had a couple tough games early, and learned just to relax, let the game flow. Bad things happen; just move on to the next play."
Lopez to play soon?
11:06AM ET
Robin Lopez | Suns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=pho)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/3447.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3447) Robin Lopez (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3447) practiced Friday with full-contract scrimmages for the first time since he suffered a left foot fracture during training camp. If all goes well he'll be ready to play in 7-10 days.
"It felt really good to get back out there," Lopez told The Arizona Republic (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/2009/11/20/20091120spt-sunsnotebook.html). "A few things I screwed up but otherwise I kind of felt like I got out there and didn't really miss a beat. I felt like I could get back in there and fit right in with the team."
MRI calms Birdman
10:49AM ET
Chris Andersen | Nuggets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=den)
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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/1135.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1135) Chris Andersen (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1135)'s right knee has been hurting and it was bothering him mentally, so he went and had a MRI, which revealed no structural damage. That eased his mind.
"My knee is feeling better, but mentally I'm stronger," Andersen told The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_13837620). "I couldn't jump. I couldn't move laterally. It was something that was bothering me, and then I was thinking negatively about it because I asked a bunch of people about it and they were telling me their situation with this type of problem.
"But that's why I went and got an MRI, to kind of calm those thoughts down a little bit. And now I'm feeling a lot better about it, knowing it's nothing serious that's going to require surgery."
pauls931
11-22-2009, 08:34 AM
Where's Dragic on the sophomore list?
wanggi
11-22-2009, 11:52 AM
Here's some more good stuff from Rumor Central on Friday:
Instead of yer bball knowledges and insight, since when do you recommend s/hit stuff from Rumor central cubby?
good to see that Rasheed has no intention of lessening his 3PA, wonder how long it'll take Doc to figure that out..
Culburn369
11-22-2009, 01:36 PM
Instead of yer bball knowledges and insight, since when do you recommend s/hit stuff from Rumor central cubby?
Calm down, zip.
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