Predictable...

[5´8 308lbs]

Teams have catched upon us. Our playbook is limited and predictable since 2005; our players are to much one dimensional and can´t surprise anyone anymore.
We can still contend for a championship but it will be very difficult without adjusting to the new days of the NBA. Teams known us since 1999 and found many ways to neutrilise our weapons. Poppovich must re-do his playbook and make the new players bigger factors in games. Duncan must find new ways to score, without depending on referies (range/accuracy). Parker must play more like a true point-guard annd can´t be the guy that finishes with more FGA every game. Pop must reduce Manu´s minutes to 18mpg coz he will never be what he used to be. Finley must play 12mpg or less coz he´s nothing more than a shooting specialist. Pop must find more minutes for Hairston coz he´s is one of the few players that the Spurs have that is umpredictable (Manu, RJ) .

We need to adjust... (sorry for my english) :king

[cherylsteele]

You're english isn't the problem,
If teams have known the Spurs since 1999, then why have the Spurs, since that time, have won 3 more titles?

[DBMethos]

Offense isn't the problem right now.

[ElNono]

You actually need to lay off the Doritos...

[coyotes_geek]

Basketball isn't about being unpredictable, it's about execution. Jerry Sloan has been using the same system for 20 years now and as long as he's got talented player who can execute it, it's still successful even though everyone in the world knows exactly what's coming.

[TIMMYD!]

Basketball isn't about being unpredictable, it's about execution. Jerry Sloan has been using the same system for 20 years now and as long as he's got talented player who can execute it, it's still successful even though everyone in the world knows exactly what's coming.

:tu
It's not what you do, it's how you do it.

[Brazil]

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[DisAsTerBot]

Basketball isn't about being unpredictable, it's about execution. Jerry Sloan has been using the same system for 20 years now and as long as he's got talented player who can execute it, it's still successful even though everyone in the world knows exactly what's coming.

good point but im not sure if sloan is the best example

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Yikes. Someone's not keeping up with his NBA knowledge.

First: NBA teams don't try to hide their play calls. It's not like baseball or football. Everyone knows what's coming anyway.

Second: The league is becoming MORE guard-offense oriented, not less. The rule and emphasis changes have made it very difficult to stop good guards from scoring or getting fouled. Guards like Parker and Ginobili are valued.

[quentin_compson]

Yikes. Someone's not keeping up with his NBA knowledge.

First: NBA teams don't try to hide their play calls. It's not like baseball or football. Everyone knows what's coming anyway.

Second: The league is becoming MORE guard-offense oriented, not less. The rule and emphasis changes have made it very difficult to stop good guards from scoring or getting fouled. Guards like Parker and Ginobili are valued.

Yeah, the hand-checking rule has made it much easier for guards to get to the line. On the other hand, it seems like it has become a lot more difficult for bigs to play physical defense and not get whistled for a foul.

[coyotes_geek]

good point but im not sure if sloan is the best example

Fair enough. I just picked Sloan since he's been around forever and has pretty much always had competitive teams. You could easily make the same point using Pop or Phil Jackson as your example.

[xellos88330]

They Spurs system has been proven time and time again. Like some of the other posters in this thread, I agree that you just have to have enough talented personnel.

I am all for controlled unpredictability though. When Manu stops getting hurt, the Spurs should get that factor back.

[easy7]

Need to also cut down on the sauce.. :whine

[HarlemHeat37]

It's actually not just the OP, there have been a number of posters that have tried to make this stupid argument..it makes absolutely no sense at all..

Some people can't seem to accept that our team has gotten older over the years, most important of all, our best player has gotten older..it's extremely tough to win in the NBA when you don't have a top 5 player, it hasn't been done too many times..we've been lucky to have a top 1-3 player for most of his career, and top 5 for those other years..

You can run the same plays forever, they'll still be the same, but you'll always need some top level talent to make it work if you want a title..

Look at last year's Laker team..they mostly ran the pick and roll with Kobe-Gasol..everybody knew it was coming, how the hell are you supposed to stop it?..you know Lebron is going to iso and shit on you, you know he's going to iso, drive, and pass it to a 3-point shooter when you trap him or close on him..they still made the conference finals..

how exactly does being "unpredictable" work?..

[exstatic]

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That. It may be chauvinistic, but I rarely reply to posters with less than 1000 posts. To high of a troll potential, especially with Kori saying a lot of the rabble rousers are bored regulars that register another account.

[duhoh]

film session genius

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Basketball isn't about being unpredictable, it's about execution. Jerry Sloan has been using the same system for 20 years now and as long as he's got talented player who can execute it, it's still successful even though everyone in the world knows exactly what's coming.

This. All the coaches, players and announcers freely admit that strategically, there are few secrets in basketball. It's not about the plays you run, it's about whether you run them so that the movement is perfectly spaced and timed. A a screen a few feet off, or a cut a second late, by one player, and the whole play can be broken. When teams move like clockwork, we call that chemistry.

[intlspurshk]

Remembering few years earlier, there were so called motion offense in SPURS play. Now it all becomes static offense with 4 downs, static inside out 3 pts shoots, very few Pick n Rolls or TP fast penetration. Ironically, it was said that the SPURS playbook is thick whereas the plays actually run on the court are so limited.

While it's true that offense is more about execution, the SPURS should switch to other plays when other teams already cracked down the SPURS offense (like 4 down) in the game. Repeatedly running the same play and expecting the execution will improve is not gonna work.

And SPURS should develop some plays to take advantage of Jefferson's and Hill's abilities, instead of forcing them to fit into the existing plays.

[Spur|n|Austin]

you actually need to lay off the doritos...

+1

[quentin_compson]

This. All the coaches, players and announcers freely admit that strategically, there are few secrets in basketball. It's not about the plays you run, it's about whether you run them so that the movement is perfectly spaced and timed. A a screen a few feet off, or a cut a second late, by one player, and the whole play can be broken. When teams move like clockwork, we call that chemistry.

Exactly. The pick and roll will never get old (just as an example) - well, not anytime soon, at least. Execution is what matters, and the Spurs usually are very good at that. Not too long ago, some guy said that the Spurs "execute you to death" (God, I wish I could remember who it was - B. Roy? C. Anthony?).

[Taking it to the Hole]

:tu
It's not what you do, it's how you do it.


That could also be said for other (ahem) things.:p:

[aquiet20&10]

uh, i may not have nearly as many posts as you vets out there, but don't lump me in with this guy. any avid spurs, not to mention basketball fan, knows that execution is whats most important when it comes to running plays. the stockton and malone pick and roll was unstoppable for like 18 years. same movements every time. in fact, the "unpredictability" of a play can only be achieved IF you run the play correctly. examples include the mentioned pick-and-roll (is the ballhandler going to shoot, pass, drive then pass, etc.) and the Triangle offense.

[jag]

uh, i may not have nearly as many posts as you vets out there, but don't lump me in with this guy. any avid spurs, not to mention basketball fan, knows that execution is whats most important when it comes to running plays. the stockton and malone pick and roll was unstoppable for like 18 years. same movements every time. in fact, the "unpredictability" of a play can only be achieved IF you run the play correctly. examples include the mentioned pick-and-roll (is the ballhandler going to shoot, pass, drive then pass, etc.) and the Triangle offense.

Solid points.

Jerry Sloan is actually a great example. There is a reason he is the longest tenured coach in the NBA, and it's not because he's unpredictable.

[Interrohater]

Jag, I've watched your sig like 4 times already. It's one of my favorites, and it doesn't even have hot chicks in it. :lol They take off in that black car going the wrong way and run the stop sign. Love it. "you 'posed to be up cookin' bre'fast fo somebody and so, that's like a alarm clock. WooWoo!!"

[Agloco]

The OP is being a bit dramatic, but I think there's something to be said for the personnel we've placed out there with the big three. It's no longer appropriate to surround them with a bunch of role players. The other team members must possess a multi-faceted skillset in order for the team to succeed now.


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You're english isn't the problem,
If teams have known the Spurs since 1999, then why have the Spurs, since that time, have won 3 more titles?

Should read: "Your English isn't the problem......"

You're = You are. It's known as a contraction. :toast

[jdiggy0424]

you're a retard

[cherylsteele]

You're right....I did not proofread my post.