Why did Kobe fail at leading the Lakers to the playoffs in 05'????

[ElNono]

What was it? Merely lack of talent? Leadership? Is it fair to say that Duncan would have made the playoffs with that team?

:hat

[djohn2oo8]

http://moneypennydd.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/shaq2.jpg

[NRHector]

:rollin

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lmao

[ezau]

Because Gasol wasn't traded yet LMAO

[pauls931]

One of the best pic responses I've seen in some time!!!

[21_Blessings]

It's called injuries.

[dbreiden83080]

Too many White women on the brain..

[djohn2oo8]

It's called injuries.

Smush Parker was an injury? Well, I guess you could say that :nope

[Donkeybong]

team sucked. new coach that quit half way through the season. players injured. western conference was stacked. smush parker.

[ElNono]

It's called injuries.

Really? Kobe played 66 games that season. Odom played over 60 games.
You can do better than that...

[djohn2oo8]

Really? Kobe played 66 games that season. Odom played over 60 games.
You can do better than that...

No he can't

[21_Blessings]

team sucked. new coach that quit half way through the season. players injured. western conference was stacked. smush parker.

And they ended up with Andrew Bynum. So the jokes on the OP and Spurs fan. Spurs had to intentionally tank the entire season to snag Duncan. :lol

[Chieflion]

I am giving this thread a thumbs up. Good work. :toast

[djohn2oo8]

And they ended up with Andrew Bynum. So the jokes on the OP and Spurs fan. Spurs had to intentionally tank the entire season to snag Duncan. :lol

They had to tank one whole season to get a future Hall of Famer

[SamoanTD]

gasol?

[21_Blessings]

gasol?

Never won a playoff game prior to Kobe?

[Darrin]

They weren't even supposed to be in that series. They were supposed to just be happy to make the playoffs. The Suns were the 'best team in the league with the MVP' and the Suns needed to come back from a 3-1 deficit.

[Strike]

It's called injuries.

Good enough for the Lakers, not good enough for the Spurs?

[ElNono]

They weren't even supposed to be in that series. They were supposed to just be happy to make the playoffs. The Suns were the 'best team in the league with the MVP' and the Suns needed to come back from a 3-1 deficit.

Wrong season, try again.

[21_Blessings]

Really? Kobe played 66 games that season. Odom played over 60 games.
You can do better than that...

So the two best players on the team missed close to 40 games along with a mid-season coaching/system change (Lakers were the 8th seed before Kobe injured his shooting shoulder) means the lakers should have made the playoffs?

Your troll weak, desperate and sad. You might as well have said "Kobe couldn't win without Shaq". :lol

[BullsDynasty]

Off Topic post but does anyone know why my sig pic isn't showing up?

[21_Blessings]

Good enough for the Lakers, not good enough for the Spurs?

The Lakers had two all-stars besides Kobe on that team? When did that happen?

[Chieflion]

The Lakers had two all-stars besides Kobe on that team? When did that happen?
Ginbobili was not an all-star in 2009. It is like saying Ilgauskas is an all-star on the Cavs cause he sure is not playing like one.

[djohn2oo8]

:corn:

[Strike]

The Lakers had two all-stars besides Kobe on that team? When did that happen?

Just can't admit the Lakers weren't good enough?

[ElNono]

6-6:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lma o:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lma o:lmao

I sure was laughing back then. How about you?
What happened? Was it Rudy that didn't know how to use Kobe?

[Findog]

The Lakers had two all-stars besides Kobe on that team? When did that happen?

Caron Butler and Lamar Odom are All Star caliber players.

[Findog]

Both these threads are dumb, Duncan and Kobe are great players and champions.

[ElNono]

So the two best players on the team missed close to 40 games along with a mid-season coaching/system change (Lakers were the 8th seed before Kobe injured his shooting shoulder) means the lakers should have made the playoffs?

Your troll weak, desperate and sad. You might as well have said "Kobe couldn't win without Shaq". :lol

I'll accept your explanation if you tell me you think it was the coaching change. Injuries were definitely not the problem. My opinion is that team was simply not very good. However, I do think 2005 Duncan would have take them to the playoffs.

[ElNono]

Are you laughing now, with your three core players in their prime, yet will not make the playoffs? You have four 20ppg players and cant make the playoffs.

We will make the playoffs.
This thread is about Kobe and specifically his failure to lead the Lakers to the playoffs in '05. There's already plenty of Sours threads if you feel like talking about them.

So, are you going to answer? What was the reason?

[21_Blessings]

Ginbobili was not an all-star in 2009. It is like saying Ilgauskas is an all-star on the Cavs cause he sure is not playing like one.

When healthy Manu still has the ability to play like an all-star. Even then Parker >>> 05 Butler/Odom combined.

[024]

LO has never been even close to making an all-star you faggot. That team sucked and so does this years Spur team.
:lol didn't expect that response.

[Findog]

LO has never been even close to making an all-star you faggot. That team sucked and so does this years Spur team.

He's an All Star caliber player. Relax buttercup, I don't think the Lakers failure to make the playoffs in 05 is on Kobe. Why is your pussy hurt?

[ElNono]

Both these threads are dumb, Duncan and Kobe are great players and champions.

I agree. But they took the bait, so might aswell troll em.

[Chieflion]

I agree. But they took the bait, so might aswell troll em.
I agree. Nice troll thread. You the man.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol didn't expect that response.

He wasn't an all star then but he's an all star now? :lmao

[ezau]

They had to tank one whole season to get a future Hall of Famer

Spot on. buuut, isn't Andrew Bynum the next Wilt Chamberlain? :lmao:lmao

[Findog]

I agree. But they took the bait, so might aswell troll em.

I agree that Laker fan has bait stuck in his mouth. :toast

[21_Blessings]

I'll accept your explanation if you tell me you think it was the coaching change. Injuries were definitely not the problem. My opinion is that team was simply not very good.

That team wasn't very good but they were still sitting at the 8th spot in the West before injury bug and coaching changes happened.


However, I do think 2005 Duncan would have take them to the playoffs.

Not if he injured his shooting shoulder and the Lakers completely changed the offensive system mid-season.

[djohn2oo8]

Spot on. buuut, isn't Andrew Bynum the next Wilt Chamberlain? :lmao:lmao

:lol

[21_Blessings]

Caron Butler

Not in 2005. Definitely not right now.


and Lamar Odom are All Star caliber players.

No he is not.

[ElNono]

LOL @ dogging on Odom to justify Kobe... Laker fans at their finest... :lmao

[bostonguy]

Lack of talent was part of it. Unstable coaching also didn't help matters. Rudy T having to leave in the middle of the year for health reasons and Hamblin had to take over.

Kobe was out a month with an ankle injury and I believe Odom was injured as well. Lakers were very much in playoff contention despite all of that. Even though they missed the playoffs, the fact they managed to be in the playoff mix with all those issues most of the year was pretty impressive.

[Findog]

LOL @ dogging on Odom to justify Kobe... Laker fans at their finest... :lmao

Yep. Another good one is when they argue Pau > Dirk, then dog his game to prop up Kobe.

[ezau]

When healthy Manu still has the ability to play like an all-star. Even then Parker >>> 05 Butler/Odom combined.

Parker is good, really good but to say that he's better than Butler and Odom combined is a stretch. IMO, that 05 Laker team is simply not that good. They got Wilt Chamberlain 2.0 in the process though:hat

[21_Blessings]

Notice how Odom is the 5th-6th option, coming off the bench and no Lakers fan really bitches about him anymore? Because that's what he is. A roleplayer.

You see roleplayers like Lamar Odom are not 2nd options. When put in the position to be a 2nd option, Odom failed miserably time and time again.

[ElNono]

That team wasn't very good but they were still sitting at the 8th spot in the West before injury bug and coaching changes happened.

Not if he injured his shooting shoulder and the Lakers completely changed the offensive system mid-season.

Well, Duncan did took the Spurs to the playoffs twice while being injured at least half of the season, IIRC (planar fasciitis in '06, knees last season).
The coaching change we'll probably never know. But it does look more plausible.

[Findog]

Notice how Odom is the 5th-6th option, coming off the bench that no Lakers fan really bitch about him anymore? Because that's what he is. A roleplayer.


Odom is good enough to start for just about every team. He comes off the bench because the Laker bench is dogshit without him.

[Spursmania]

Nice:toast

[Cleveland Steamer]

:lmao laker fan can dish it out but sure as hell can't take it.

[21_Blessings]

No, Tony Parker took the Spurs to playoffs last year.

[Findog]

I'm sorry.

Apology accepted.

[ezau]

Apology accepted.

:lol:lol:lol:lol

[21_Blessings]

Odom is good enough to start for just about every team.

No he isn't. Flat out lie right there.


He comes off the bench because the Laker bench is dogshit without him.

He comes off the bench because he's a roleplayer.

[mystargtr34]

:lol Lakerfan downplaying other Laker players to pump up Kobe when it suits them. So Gasol was nothing when he couldnt take the Grizzlies past the first round without a second All-Star...

But PAU >>>> DIRK... because Dirk couldnt win in the Finals and Pau is an NBA champion.

[ElNono]

No, Tony Parker took the Spurs to playoffs last year.

If you only look at one end of the floor, sure.

[Findog]

No he isn't. Flat out lie right there.


Yeah, he's not good enough to start for the Nets or the Bobcats. :rolleyes


He comes off the bench because he's a roleplayer.

He comes off the bench because they start a frontline of Bynum/Gasol/Artest.

[JamStone]

Really? Kobe played 66 games that season. Odom played over 60 games.
You can do better than that...

Lakers were 3-15 in the games Lamar Odom missed that season. It's not the only reason they didn't make the playoffs, but injuries certainly factored. Can't ignore that. The Lakers front court was not good to begin with that season, and without Odom, they were extremely weak up front.

[21_Blessings]

Yeah, he's not good enough to start for the Nets or the Bobcats. :rolleyes

Because Nets and Bobcats = just about every team? Didn't think you were that dumb.


He comes off the bench because they start a frontline of Bynum/Gasol/Artest.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a roleplayer and nothing more than a good 3rd/4th option when he's at his best. Problem is Odom's only at his best 25-30 games a season.

[Findog]

Because Nets and Bobcats = just about every team? Didn't think you were that dumb.


Odom would start on most teams in the league. He's a starting-caliber player that can play either the 3 or the 4.

[21_Blessings]

Odom would start on most teams in the league.

Nah, he wouldn't start for most teams in the league. Maybe most bad ones. And the good teams where he would qualify would quickly realize his inconsistency is better suited coming off the bench.


He's a starting-caliber player that can play either the 3 or the 4.

Oh ok so we went from All-Star caliber to starting for every team in the league, to starting-caliber on some teams.

And the Lakers don't play Lamar at the 3 anymore for a reason. Because he's not a shooting forward - SFs can generally make wide open mid-range jump shots. If Lamar has proven anything the past 5 years it's that he's a power forward.

[ElNono]

Lakers were 3-15 in the games Lamar Odom missed that season. It's not the only reason they didn't make the playoffs, but injuries certainly factored. Can't ignore that. The Lakers front court was not good to begin with that season, and without Odom, they were extremely weak up front.

Now, that's a well thought out, and fact-supported response. You get bonus points because you didn't need to dog on Odom in the process. Thank you :toast

[lefty]

What was it? Merely lack of talent? Leadership? Is it fair to say that Duncan would have made the playoffs with that team?

:hat

- lack of talent

- lack of leadership: Kobe hadn't matured yet

- and to answer your question on Duncan: no

[DrHouse]

I'm surprised at how many people have taken this troll thread seriously.

[carrao45]

Smush Parker was an injury? Well, I guess you could say that :nope

He's talking about Kobe

[carrao45]

Really? Kobe played 66 games that season. Odom played over 60 games.
You can do better than that...

Kobe misses 16 Games...Odom misses 20 And the rest of the Team is expected to Hold ship?

[Strike]

Kobe misses 16 Games...Odom misses 20 And the rest of the Team is expected to Hold ship?

SA's big 3 all missed multiple games last year but anytime any Spurs fan brings up Ginobili not playing due to injury and Duncan playing hurt against Dallas, they get raked over the coals. :lol

Fascinating.

[LakasRool4eva]

i dont even know why ure brining up old stuff like this?!?! all that matters is the Lakas gonna win another 'ship this year. my boy Kobe gonna show the hataz wassup.

[lefty]

i dont even know why ure brining up old stuff like this?!?! all that matters is the Lakas gonna win another 'ship this year. my boy Kobe gonna show the hataz wassup.
Lakas
4eva

Hataz



You're 12 or what?


GTFO

[ElNono]

i dont even know why ure brining up old stuff like this?!?! all that matters is the Lakas gonna win another 'ship this year. my boy Kobe gonna show the hataz wassup.

Is that you Ron? :lmao

Whose troll is this?

[carrao45]

SA's big 3 all missed multiple games last year but anytime any Spurs fan brings up Ginobili not playing due to injury and Duncan playing hurt against Dallas, they get raked over the coals. :lol

Fascinating.

It's interesting how my argument is descredited because of things OTHER posters say...

[21_Blessings]

SA's big 3 all missed multiple games last year but anytime any Spurs fan brings up Ginobili not playing due to injury and Duncan playing hurt against Dallas, they get raked over the coals. :lol

Why are we comparing 2 of the big 3 to a 2005 Odom and Caron Butler though?

It's funny because Spurs fan acts like their team is unbeatable when Manu is playing. Like he's this borderline Kobe-esque superstar. As if Kobe had anyone like that on his team in 2005.


Fascinating.

Indeed.

[LakasRool4eva]

Lakas
4eva

Hataz



You're 12 or what?


GTFO
looks somebody got there butt hurt over the Lakas. wanna kiss the rings????? i got 15 of em.

[Strike]

Why are we comparing 2 of the big 3 to a 2005 Odom and Caron Butler though?

It's funny because Spurs fan acts like their team is unbeatable when Manu is playing. Like he's this borderline Kobe-esque superstar. As if Kobe had anyone like that on his team in 2005.



Indeed.

Kinda like how Laker fan acts like Kobe is the 2nd coming of Jordan? Last I checked, the Lakers, while current champions and damn good over the last 10 years (save a few between the 2005 and 2007), definitely not unbeatable.

Make no mistake about it, I don't think the Spurs would have won last year even with a fully healthy team. And, while the injuries definitely screwed with them, they should have at least advanced to the 2nd round.

I just find the comedy in the fact that people make excuses for their own team but refuse to accept those same excuses from other fans of other teams. Nearly everyone is guilty of it. Even you.

[ElNono]

Please stay on topic. I want to remind everyone we're discussing Kobe's failure to lead his team to the playoffs in 2005. There are more appropriate threads to discuss the current Lakers team.
Thank you :toast

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

looks somebody got there butt hurt over the Lakas. wanna kiss the rings????? i got 15 of em.


Fuck this is probably someone's troll....I was hoping it was just a really retarded Laker fan.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

They weren't even supposed to be in that series. They were supposed to just be happy to make the playoffs. The Suns were the 'best team in the league with the MVP' and the Suns needed to come back from a 3-1 deficit.


How fuckin dumb are you?

[ezau]

looks somebody got there butt hurt over the Lakas. wanna kiss the rings????? i got 15 of em.

you got 15? :lmao:lmao:lmao

[Strike]

you got 15? :lmao:lmao:lmao

Thank you. :tu

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

you got 15? :lmao:lmao:lmao


He's gotta be a troll....he plays too perfectly into every single Lakerfan stereotype to be a real poster.

[ezau]

Kobe can 't coz there's no Gasol.

[djohn2oo8]

looks somebody got there butt hurt over the Lakas. wanna kiss the rings????? i got 15 of em.

Lakers fan since Pau Gasol trade, no surprises here

[Chillen]

No Shaquille O'Neal or Pau Gasol. Kobe needs a player like that to be the Kobe that can dominate games. Once they got Gasol he changed the whole dynamic of that ballclub, they started playing better defense, and it freed up Bryant. They got a championship mentality overnight, literally.

[NRHector]

looks somebody got there butt hurt over the Lakas. wanna kiss the rings????? i got 15 of em.
:lmao you got to be fucking kidding, no he didn't go there:lmao

[jmill]

Please stay on topic. I want to remind everyone we're discussing Kobe's failure to lead his team to the playoffs in 2005. There are more appropriate threads to discuss the current Lakers team.
Thank you :toast

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[ezau]

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[jmill]

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[NRHector]

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[jmill]

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[An Unbiased Fan]

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[21_Blessings]

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hooooolleeeee shit :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[ezau]

http://withmalice.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/kobe2.jpg

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[IronMexican]

lakasrule4eva is someone's troll. No way is that a real poster.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

A few decades from now when Kobe is inducted into the NBA hall of fame, most of the basketball fans still alive will always remember that

1) he airballed the lakers out of the playoffs his first few years in the league
2) rode the most dominant force in the league's coattails to three championships
3) Cried like a little bitch when his team got eliminated in WC semi's
4) didn't even make the playoffs his first year as "The Man"
5) purposely did not take a shot in the 4th quarter of an elimination game in year 2 of being "The Man"
6) had to cheat to get himself a franchise big man to play with
7) still got blown out by 60 points in an NBA finals game after that player joined
8) Finally got his fourth ring way after Shaq and Duncan


R O F L

[jmill]

1) he airballed the lakers out of the playoffs his first few years in the league

As a Lakers and Kobe fan, this is one of my favorite Kobe games of all time. Easily.

[jmill]

A few decades from now when Kobe is inducted into the NBA hall of fame, most of the basketball fans still alive will always remember that

1) he airballed the lakers out of the playoffs his first few years in the league
2) rode the most dominant force in the league's coattails to three championships
3) Cried like a little bitch when his team got eliminated in WC semi's
4) didn't even make the playoffs his first year as "The Man"
5) purposely did not take a shot in the 4th quarter of an elimination game in year 2 of being "The Man"
6) had to cheat to get himself a franchise big man to play with
7) still got blown out by 60 points in an NBA finals game after that player joined
8) Finally got his fourth ring way after Shaq and Duncan


R O F L


That being said of course,

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[Cant_Be_Faded]

lol crying like a baby in a Western conference semifinals game

lol best player ever intentionally exitting the playoffs

[jmill]

lol crying like a baby in a Western conference semifinals game

lol best player ever intentionally exitting the playoffs

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[jmill]

Greg Popovich on Kobe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIYL7YcePI&feature=related)


"I just wish I could have heard what was being said because Kobe was looking at him like, 'What's this guy doing?'" Popovich said, chuckling. "I didn't know what Artest was saying or what Kobe was saying back, but it went on for a while. I was getting a kick out of it."

The inevitable question then becomes what should you say to Kobe?

"Don't talk to him, don't even look him in the eye," Popovich said. "Stay away from him."

[j.dizzle]

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[TheMACHINE]

No Shaquille O'Neal or Pau Gasol. Kobe needs a player like that to be the Kobe that can dominate games. Once they got Gasol he changed the whole dynamic of that ballclub, they started playing better defense, and it freed up Bryant. They got a championship mentality overnight, literally.

Has there been another star player in the last 20 years who has won a championship without a hall of famer by his side?? Kobe is one...

[j.dizzle]

Has there been another star player in the last 20 years who has won a championship without a hall of famer by his side?? Kobe is one...

this post should end this thread :toast

[Medvedenko]

Wow 5 pages...I almost forgot that the Lakers are defending champions and have been there the last 2 years....
LOL NBA

[21_Blessings]

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jmill with the dagger.

[duhoh]

because it was kobe and the d-leaguers

[wanggi]

New York Times:
Q.
Do you feel like you still have room to grow as a player?

A.
I do. I do. I think there’s so much more to understand. A lot of it just has to do with winning. It has nothing to do with me as an individual. Just more so, how can I lead these guys? That’s kind of been the evolution as a basketball player. When you first come into the league, you’re trying to prove yourself as an individual, do things to assert yourself and establish yourself. But then once you’ve done that, there’s another level to the game that’s more complex than figuring out how to put up big numbers as an individual. That’s easy to do so I raped the girl easily in Colorado. I've never felt regret over the victim.
Just call me "Rapist".

[TDMVPDPOY]

i think they would still make the playoffs had kobe and co waited and allow bynum to come around into his game

[Darrin]

Has there been another star player in the last 20 years who has won a championship without a hall of famer by his side?? Kobe is one...

Who on the 2003-04 Pistons is going to the Hall-of-Fame? Name one, let alone two.
Is Tony Parker the other Hall-of-Famer along for the 2005 and 2007 titles?

[21_Blessings]

Manu is definitely a hall of fame lock based on his international play.

Tony has 3 rings, finals MVP and is still young. He probably has a good shot at getting in if he stays productive.

[Chieflion]

In that case, Gasol is HOF material.

Silver medal in the Olympics.
A few NBA all-star appearances.
Gold medal in the recent FIBA championships.
All-NBA 3rd team.
Many more accolades. Isn't that HOF material?

[Findog]

Oh ok so we went from All-Star caliber to starting for every team in the league, to starting-caliber on some teams.


He's an All-Star caliber player who would start for most teams. Happy? He doesn't start for the Lakers because they have a frontline of Bynum/Gasol/Artest and their bench is shit.

[gmartin02]

What was it? Merely lack of talent? Leadership? Is it fair to say that Duncan would have made the playoffs with that team?

:hatFail troll thread from San Antonio fan living in the past - wishing it was still '05 so Spurs had a chance at a championship instead of having an over the hill team that can barely stay healthy enough to compete.

[Agloco]

Has there been another star player in the last 20 years who has won a championship without a hall of famer by his side?? Kobe is one...

Duncan is another, twice over: 2005/2007

Now I suppose that you'll tell me that Parker and/or Ginobili will eventually end up there?........ But you'd be the first to call BS if anyone started a thread pushing that agenda right? :rolleyes

You could also throw in Chauncey Billups 2004.

[The Gemini Method]

They didn't make the playoffs because the team was, besides Kobe and Odom, shit. Too bad they traded a promising player at the time (James Caron Butler) for Chucky Atkins, Kwame "No Hands, No Hope" Brown, and Laron "Zero" Profit. In essence, a nightmare of a year. No excuses though, the team did not make the playoffs.

[baseline bum]

http://moneypennydd.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/shaq2.jpg

:rollin

[kamikazi_player]

What was it? Merely lack of talent? Leadership? Is it fair to say that Duncan would have made the playoffs with that team?

:hat
maybe because he's a whiny little bitch and complains alot :lol
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[Allanon]

Duncan is another, twice over: 2005/2007

Now I suppose that you'll tell me that Parker and/or Ginobili will eventually end up there?........ But you'd be the first to call BS if anyone started a thread pushing that agenda right? :rolleyes

No doubt Manu is headed for the HoF. Pau's international play doesn't hold a candle to Manu.

Manu spent like 8 years playing Euroball, Pau spent around 2 years. Manu's considered the greatest Argentine player.

Manu's awards:
2001 Lega A (Italy) MVP
2001 Euroleague Final Four MVP
2001 FIBA Americas Championship MVP
2002 All-Euroleague First Team
2002 Italian Cup MVP
2002 Lega A MVP
2002 FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team
2002–03 NBA All-Rookie Second Team
Olimpia de Oro
(2003, 2004 (shared))
2004 Olympics Gold Medal
2004–05 NBA All-Star
2006 FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team
2007–08 NBA 6th Man of the Year
2007–08 All-NBA Third Team
2008 35 Greatest Euroleague Players
3 time NBA Champion



You could also throw in Chauncey Billups 2004.

Chauncey Billups is not in the same stratosphere as Kobe, Duncan, KG. Pistons were a team of 4 2nd tier All Stars.

[urunobili]

:lol at this thread delivering big time for sore ass Kome fans :tu

[jdev82]

Smush Parker was an injury? Well, I guess you could say that :nope

:rollin

[lefty]

Smush Parker was an injury? Well, I guess you could say that :nope
Add Kwame Brown, and you add insult to the injury

[Höfner]

Kobe fails at everything without help. He couldn't even rape a chick without dropping Daddy's name.

[21_Blessings]

He's an All-Star caliber player who would start for most teams. Happy? He doesn't start for the Lakers because they have a frontline of Bynum/Gasol/Artest and their bench is shit.

But he's not an All-Star, has never been close to an All-Star and will never be an all-star that would not start on most teams.

[Findog]

But he's not an All-Star, has never been close to an All-Star and will never be an all-star that would not start on most teams.

If you say so. I mean, I guess you're right. I don't know what Phil was thinking having him start 3 years ago for a team that made the playoffs, when he put up a 16, 10 and 5. Or 2 years ago when he threw up a 14, 11 and 4 on 53% shooting for a Finals runner-up. Yeah, that's not All-Star caliber. Look, there's only 12 roster spots per team. There's always deserving guys left off. I said LO was an All-Star caliber player and I'm sticking with that. So he can't crack one of the starting forward spots manned by Gasol or Artest. Big deal.

[21_Blessings]

If you say so. I mean, I guess you're right. I don't know what Phil was thinking having him start 3 years ago for a team that made the playoffs, when he put up a 16, 10 and 5.

So Lamar starting over Ronny Turiaf means he's All-Star caliber? Good logic.


Or 2 years ago when he threw up a 14, 11 and 4 on 53% shooting for a Finals runner-up. Yeah, that's not All-Star caliber.

Definitely not All-Star caliber when you only play well half the season. Especially him vanishing in the finals despite Boston leaving him wide open to shoot jumpers. Proving he's nothing resembling a reliable 2nd or 3rd option. And you think he's an All-Star, why? Because he can grab 10+ boards in 38 minutes of a play? Let's put Chuck Hayes in the All-Star game guys!


Look, there's only 12 roster spots per team. There's always deserving guys left off. I said LO was an All-Star caliber player and I'm sticking with that. So he can't crack one of the starting forward spots manned by Gasol or Artest. Big deal.

Lamar has never been a "deserving" guy to get left off, else the coaches would have put him in by now. You obviously don't watch him on a game to game basis and your knowledge about him is laughable considering you think Lamar could still play the 3 effectively.