Where the Republicans really stand

[Supergirl]

If you want quality, well-reviewed and respected polling about politics, this is the place to go: http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

And they have polled about this frequently, but here's their summary of the Republican dilemma for the future:

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/romney-conundrum.html

The Romney Conundrum
Yesterday I wrote about how Mitt Romney's overall favorability numbers with Republicans were crashing.

Let's look at a more specific swath of the GOP electorate though- those voters who think that the party's too conservative. It's not a huge group but it's the one most likely to cross over and vote for Obama in 2012 and thus Republicans really need to hold onto them if they want to win the next Presidential election.

Sarah Palin is not the answer with those folks. 43% of them have a positive opinion of her but 37% view her negatively for a +6 net favorability rating.

Mike Huckabee comes out better with 44% viewing him favorably and 16% having an unfavorable take, for a +28 net ratio.

And the most popular with this group? None other than Mitt Romney at a 51/16 favorability spread for a net +35.

So the guy the Republican rank and file likes the least is the one that the weakest group of Republican voters like the most. Those are the sorts of internal disparities the GOP is going to have to work out if it wants to win the next time around.

[mogrovejo]

You know that Public Policy Polling iS a polling firm affiliated to the Democrat Party, right?

[Supergirl]

You know that Public Policy Polling iS a polling firm affiliated to the Democrat Party, right?

And yet the WSJ says they're the second most accurate polling group.

[spursncowboys]

Let's look at a more specific swath of the GOP electorate though- those voters who think that the party's too conservative. In NH, Iowa and Fl, those voters will not make a difference. There can be an argument with all the crossover Dems screwing up the primaries, but not the small minority of non-conservative republicans.

[Wild Cobra]

You know that Public Policy Polling iS a polling firm affiliated to the Democrat Party, right?
That's why she trusts it.

[Nbadan]

PPP is the most accurate polling organization there is...prove they are connected with the DNC..

[EmptyMan]

The GOP needs to break. That would be a great thing for the country.

The demoncat cheerleaders are skeeting all over their pompom's but they don't realize the long-term negatives it would cause for their "progressive movement."

[Wild Cobra]

The GOP needs to break. That would be a great thing for the country.

The demoncat cheerleaders are skeeting all over their pompom's but they don't realize the long-term negatives it would cause for their "progressive movement."

I agree.

All the republicans that the democrats like, need to switch parties, or be kicked out!

[Nbadan]

Kicking out Moderate Republcans will do wonders for the GOP...I highly support it!

[mogrovejo]

And yet the WSJ says they're the second most accurate polling group.

Really? That's extremely surprising. Truly mind-boggling, I'd say. A small, party-affiliated, relatively new polling company that only uses automated questionnaires ranked as the 2nd most accurate it's truly unprecedent. I remember them doing a good job in swing-states projections for the last presidential elections (like most pollsters), with one of the smallest midrange or error on the margin, but being the 2nd most accurate polling group is a tremendous achievement, whatever the metrics WSJ have used.

Can you provide a link to support your statement? We need to know who to take seriously around here.

[TeyshaBlue]

Nothing

Apparently you don't have a clue where Republicans "really" stand. Your statement alone is duplicious.

[TeyshaBlue]

Kicking out Moderate Republcans will do wonders for the GOP...I highly support it!

I do too. That's the only way to bring conservatism back into relevancy...by killing off the nutbars in the GOP and building a new party.

[Winehole23]

I do too. That's the only way to bring conservatism back into relevancy...by killing off the nutbars in the GOP and building a new party.Self-imposed exile from the gooey, nutbar middle is not likely to enhance GOP electoral fortunes short term, but you could be right.

[admiralsnackbar]

The GOP needs to break. That would be a great thing for the country.

The demoncat cheerleaders are skeeting all over their pompom's but they don't realize the long-term negatives it would cause for their "progressive movement."

I agree, not because I want the GOP to dissolve, but because I want a socially moderate, fiscally conservative party that isn't in any way affiliated with the Evangelical Christian movement to emerge. I hate voting Dem, but the GOP as such has ceased to speak for me and the Libertarian party is the equivalent of economic hari-kiri.

[mogrovejo]

Really? That's extremely surprising. Truly mind-boggling, I'd say. A small, party-affiliated, relatively new polling company that only uses automated questionnaires ranked as the 2nd most accurate it's truly unprecedent. I remember them doing a good job in swing-states projections for the last presidential elections (like most pollsters), with one of the smallest midrange or error on the margin, but being the 2nd most accurate polling group is a tremendous achievement, whatever the metrics WSJ have used.

Can you provide a link to support your statement? We need to know who to take seriously around here.

Bump.

[Winehole23]

Where is Horn-Tooter when you need him?

Jeez mogro. You just quoted the post four before your own, on the very same page.

[Nbadan]

I agree, not because I want the GOP to dissolve, but because I want a socially moderate, fiscally conservative party

The most fiscally conservative party in the last 40 years has been the DEMs...being fiscally responsible does not mean lowering taxes for the richers while at the same time borrowing on the kids credit card.....

[Supergirl]

Apparently you don't have a clue where Republicans "really" stand. Your statement alone is duplicious.

duplicious? is that like doubly delicious?
or do you mean duplicitous?

[spursncowboys]

The most fiscally conservative party in the last 40 years has been the DEMs...being fiscally responsible does not mean lowering taxes for the richers while at the same time borrowing on the kids credit card.....

Where are you pulling this from?

[EVAY]

I agree, not because I want the GOP to dissolve, but because I want a socially moderate, fiscally conservative party that isn't in any way affiliated with the Evangelical Christian movement to emerge. I hate voting Dem, but the GOP as such has ceased to speak for me and the Libertarian party is the equivalent of economic hari-kiri.

This pretty much sums it up for me, too.

[EVAY]

Where are you pulling this from?

NBA is good at defending himself, but my guess is that he is (appropriately)
referring to the fact that the only time the budget was balanced and there was a chance of actually PAYING DOWN some of the debt this country had ( at least in the last 50 years or so)was near the end of the Clinton presidency. At that time, rather than paying down some of the debt, the Republican candidate for President (and the campaign presenters) assured the voters that the fact that there was a budget surplus was proof positive that the government had more of taxpayer's money than it needed, and that a tax cut was in order to remove that pesky surplus. And that is what he did.

Now, it is also true that there was a Republican majority under Clinton in both houses of Congress, but then there was a Republican majority in George Bush's presidency as well, when the national debt doubled and the wars were excluded from the budgets and we STILL couldn't get a balanced budget at any time under the Republican administrations.

The above is why a lot of us who were fiscal conservative but socially moderate republicans got shoved out of the party by those who ran it during that time....and still have no place to go.

[TeyshaBlue]

duplicious? is that like doubly delicious?
or do you mean duplicitous?

Stupid iphone.:toast

[elbamba]

NBA is good at defending himself, but my guess is that he is (appropriately)
referring to the fact that the only time the budget was balanced and there was a chance of actually PAYING DOWN some of the debt this country had ( at least in the last 50 years or so)was near the end of the Clinton presidency. At that time, rather than paying down some of the debt, the Republican candidate for President (and the campaign presenters) assured the voters that the fact that there was a budget surplus was proof positive that the government had more of taxpayer's money than it needed, and that a tax cut was in order to remove that pesky surplus. And that is what he did.

Now, it is also true that there was a Republican majority under Clinton in both houses of Congress, but then there was a Republican majority in George Bush's presidency as well, when the national debt doubled and the wars were excluded from the budgets and we STILL couldn't get a balanced budget at any time under the Republican administrations.

The above is why a lot of us who were fiscal conservative but socially moderate republicans got shoved out of the party by those who ran it during that time....and still have no place to go.

If we look at the larger picture of our country's history, I believe the only president to have ever paid off the nation's entire debt was the first democrat, Andrew Jackson.

[Crookshanks]

There was no budget surplus under Clinton - he cooked the books and fabricated a lie. Right now, neither party is fiscally responsible - that's why MOST of them need to be tossed out.

This level of corruption just shows why we need term limits. Even those who go to Washington with the best of intentions, eventually fall prey to the power and corruption once they've been there for awhile.

[ElNono]

There was no budget surplus under Clinton - he cooked the books and fabricated a lie.

Do you know this for a fact? If so, can I see the relevant information?

[mogrovejo]

Where is Horn-Tooter when you need him?

Jeez mogro. You just quoted the post four before your own, on the very same page.

Obviously. My purpose was merely to bump the thread in order to allow the OP to read the question I made in case he missed it the first time. A propos, I'm still waiting for the answer.

[Winehole23]

With that WildCobra, mounted atop an imperious and incomparably fierce white steed, rode to the rescue.

[Winehole23]

Obviously. My purpose was merely to bump the thread in order to allow the OP to read the question I made in case he missed it the first time. How courteous, Horn-Tooter.


A propos, I'm still waiting for the answer. KZXIWzHTw7Y