Andrew Bynum Vs. Dwight Howard Stats

[TheMACHINE]

So i was chekcing my Fantasy Basketball team and i havent noticed how similar the stats of these two were. Not bad considering that Howard is argueably the best center in the league at the moment. Also, Howard is suppose to be superior defensively compared to Bynum. Keep in mind that Bynum also averages 4 mins more per game.

Take it for what its worth:


PLAYER FG% FT% REB AST STL BLK PTS
Howard .625 .576 11.1 1.4 0.7 1.7 17.4
Bynum .579 .767 10.9 1.3 0.6 1.7 19.7

[IronMexican]

No knock on Bynum, but I'd take Dwight. His offense isn't as polished, but he'd be great on the Lakers. A guy who just goes out there and grabs boards and plays D.

[lefty]

I thought we already a wheelchair matchup thread.

Way to go, THe Machine :donkey

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

The difference is that Dwight is the main guy on the Magic (despite VC always wanting the spotlight). It would be interesting to see if Bynum was the #1 option on the Lakers.

Both guys have so much size that pretty much noone can guard them downlow one on one successfully.

[TheMACHINE]

The difference is that Dwight is the main guy on the Magic (despite VC always wanting the spotlight). It would be interesting to see if Bynum was the #1 option on the Lakers.

Both guys have so much size that pretty much noone can guard them downlow one on one successfully.

are you saying that Bynum will have better numbers if he were to take Howards place in the Magic?

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

are you saying that Bynum will have better numbers if he were to take Howards place in the Magic?

He could do, it depends on how he handles being #1. I was suggesting that it would interesting to see if he would produce more with more focus, or if he would produce less on another team because opposing teams wouldn't have to worry about possibly doubling Kobe.

[tlongII]

PLAYER FG% FT% REB AST STL BLK PTS
Oden .640 .791 8.4 0.8 0.2 2.3 11.3

All this in 24.4 minutes per game. :smokin

[ChrisRichards]

PLAYER FG% FT% REB AST STL BLK PTS
Oden .640 .791 8.4 0.8 0.2 2.3 11.3

All this in 24.4 minutes per game. :smokin
id take oden over kobe thats for sure

[xtremesteven33]

Bynum is the best halfseason center of all time!!!

[TheMACHINE]

id take oden over kobe thats for sure

haha i knew your comment was goinna have "kobe" in it. LOL

[21_Blessings]

No knock on Bynum, but I'd take Dwight. His offense isn't as polished, but he'd be great on the Lakers. A guy who just goes out there and grabs boards and plays D.

Dwight seems like one of those freaks that never gets injured. You gotta take him over Bynum.

Having said that, Bynum is a much better post scorer at this point. He's also drawing a ton a fouls this year and hits his free throws at reliable %.

[Gutter92]

how many fouls is oden averaging this year?

[ChrisRichards]

haha i knew your comment was goinna have "kobe" in it. LOL
well the heat already have wade so yeah we'd take oden

[Allanon]

Take it for what its worth:


PLAYER FG% FT% REB AST STL BLK PTS
Howard .625 .576 11.1 1.4 0.7 1.7 17.4
Bynum .579 .767 10.9 1.3 0.6 1.7 19.7

I had no idea that Bynum (3rd option) was scoring more than Dwight although less accurately at 58%.

The rest of the stats are pretty much a wash. Both are also top 10 in blocks and rebounds.

[TheMACHINE]

Nothing.

oooo you're hardcore!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Statistically, Dwight is way down so far this year... I should know, because he was my 1st rounder in 2 fantasy teams (one roto, one h2h).

This is Dwight's line last year:

35.7 0.572 0.594 Rbs 13.8 Asts 1.4 Stls 1.0 Blks 2.9 TOs 3.04 PF 3.42 Pts 20.6

This year he is playing 5 fewer minutes, mostly because his foul rate is way up to 4.07 per contest.

Work it out, Dwight. I need you back at full speed!

[mystargtr34]

Dwight's stats arent only down because his minutes are down - his production per minute is down too. You can probably put that down to constantly being in foul trouble and not being able to get into a rythm, and play aggressively on offense and defense, because of fear of picking up another foul and going back to the bench. Like Ruff said, looking at last season, he's raw numbers were much better obviously because he played more minutes, but his per minute stats were better too.... he's just had an awful time with the whistle this year.

Bynum's stats look impressive aswell, once he catches the ball anywhere near the rim he is pretty much unplayable, because he has so much size - but he also has the footwork which allows him to manouvre himself into good positions to score after a catch in the post. Dwight on the other hand relies on sheer strength and athleticism to go through his man, which is probly why he picks up more offensive fouls than Bynum.

Ill compare per 36 minute stats from basketball-reference. Obviously it doesnt mean Player A > Player B because his per minute numbers are better, but i just want to be able to show how good Oden has been while he has been on the court. Once he figures out how to avoid so many fouls, he could be something else.

Dwight Howard - 20.0 PTS, 12.8 RBS, 1.6 AST, 2.0 BLK

Andrew Bynum - 19.4 PTS, 10.7 RBS, 1.2 AST, 1.6 BLK

Greg Oden - 16.6 PTS, 12.4 RBS, 1.1 AST, 3.4 BLK

And just for old times sake....

Tim Duncan - 20.0 PTS, 12.7 RBS, 3.8 AST, 1.8 BLK

[duhoh]

Dwight Howard - 20.0 PTS, 12.8 RBS, 1.6 AST, 2.0 BLK

Andrew Bynum - 19.4 PTS, 10.7 RBS, 1.2 AST, 1.6 BLK

Greg Oden - 16.6 PTS, 12.4 RBS, 1.1 AST, 3.4 BLK

And just for old times sake....

Tim Duncan - 20.0 PTS, 12.7 RBS, 3.8 AST, 1.8 BLK

hey hey hey you can't compare a HoF lock to these kids :rollin

[KSeal]

Keep in mind Bynum plays with Gasol and Odom two really good rebounds who grab almost 10 boards a night themselves. I wonder how many boards Bynum would pull down if he was playing alongside Matt Bonner.

[mystargtr34]

Keep in mind Bynum plays with Gasol and Odom two really good rebounds who grab almost 10 boards a night themselves. I wonder how many boards Bynum would pull down if he was playing alongside Matt Bonner.

Ill keep that in mind...

Meanwhile, you keep in mind these stats...

Rebound Rate (Rebounds grabbed per 100 possessions)

Lamar Odom - 14.0
-------------------------------
Matt Bonner - 13.6
Antonio McDyess - 15.8

Meaning the rebounding next to Duncan >>> the rebounding next to Bynum.

Ill give you some more..

Tim Duncan - 20.5
Andrew Bynum - 15.9

So thanks for bringing that up, and allowing me to show that Duncan's rebounding is even more superior than the raw stats showed.

[mystargtr34]

Oh and Gasol has played what 2 games? So lets not use that excuse.

[KSeal]

Ill keep that in mind...

Meanwhile, you keep in mind these stats...

Rebound Rate (Rebounds grabbed per 100 possessions)

Lamar Odom - 14.0
-------------------------------
Matt Bonner - 13.6
Antonio McDyess - 15.8

Meaning the rebounding next to Duncan >>> the rebounding next to Bynum.

Ill give you some more..

Tim Duncan - 20.5
Andrew Bynum - 15.9

So thanks for bringing that up, and allowing me to show that Duncan's rebounding is even more superior than the raw stats showed.

What about Gasol?

[KSeal]

Oh and Gasol has played what 2 games? So lets not use that excuse.

3 and he grabbed 16 boards last game. Bynum's boards will continue to drop beneath the others as the games go on cause of Gasol and Odom.

[mystargtr34]

I was comparing the stats so far this season, and in three games back Gasol would not have affected Bynum's rebounding that much....

Anyway, in those 3 games, Byunum has taken 25 rebounds in 85 minutes.... or about 11 rebounds per 36 minutes, which is right on line with his production before Gasol played a game, in fact it might be fractionally higher (i couldnt be bothered using a calculator).

Bynum's numbers might eventually go downwith Gasol back, i dont know. But the OP made the comparison so far this season, and thats what i was doing.

[KSeal]

Waiting for your fancy stat that tells me Bonner is a better rebounder then Pau and Odom combined...

[mystargtr34]

Waiting for your fancy stat that tells me Bonner is a better rebounder then Pau and Odom combined...

Nope in 3 games back Gasol's rebound rate is 20.5.... much better than Odom, Bonner and McDyess, and right on par with Duncan. But my point was in 3 games, his rebounding would have hardly affected Bynum's numbers, and i just showed you Bynum's rebounding hasn't dropped in those 3 games. (Although im not saying it wont eventually).

Besides, Gasol's rebound rate is normally around 17 or 18, so Bynums rebounding numbers should be safe.

[KSeal]

Nope in 3 games back Gasol's rebound rate is 20.5.... much better than Odom, Bonner and McDyess, and right on par with Duncan. But my point was in 3 games, his rebounding would have hardly affected Bynum's numbers, and i just showed you Bynum's rebounding hasn't dropped in those 3 games. (Although im not saying it wont eventually).

Besides, Gasol's rebound rate is normally around 17 or 18, so Bynums rebounding numbers should be safe.

It actually has, if I remember correctly Bynum was leading the league or tied with Noah in rebounding going into that Bulls game when Pau returned at about 12 boards per game and since Pau has been back his boards are already down in the 10's. Bynum is not going to be able to keep grabbing double digit boards a game like the others with Odom and Gasol in there whereas Duncan and Dwight can cause they're the main rebounders on their teams.

[mystargtr34]

It actually has, if I remember correctly Bynum was leading the league or tied with Noah in rebounding going into that Bulls game when Pau returned at about 12 boards per game and since Pau has been back his boards are already down in the 10's. Bynum is not going to be able to keep grabbing double digit boards a game like the others with Odom and Gasol in there whereas Duncan and Dwight can cause they're the main rebounders on their teams.

In 3 games since Gasol came back, Bynum's minutes...

24.16 (8 rebs)
28.37 (9 rebs)
32.11 (8 rebs)

His rebounding has gone down because his minutes have gone down. If you work out his rebounds per 40 minutes (or whatever per minute stat you want to use) his rebounding hasnt dropped at all.

My initial comparison was based on per minute numbers, so his slight drop in minutes and rebounds since Gasol has come back would not have affected those numbers negatively.

[mystargtr34]

You were saying that Duncan's rebounding > Bynum's rebounding only because of the rebounders who are on the court WITH Bynum are better than those next to Duncan - im just trying to show you that so far, the rebounding next to Duncan has been better than the rebounding next to Bynum.

But with Pau back, Bynum will play less minutes, so of course his total rebounds will drop, but my comparison accounted for those drop in minutes.

[KSeal]

In 3 games since Gasol came back, Bynum's minutes...

24.16 (8 rebs)
28.37 (9 rebs)
32.11 (8 rebs)

His rebounding has gone down because his minutes have gone down. If you work out his rebounds per 40 minutes (or whatever per minute stat you want to use) his rebounding hasnt dropped at all.

My initial comparison was based on per minute numbers, so his slight drop in minutes and rebounds since Gasol has come back would not have affected those numbers negatively.

Oh, ok by bad. I was talking straight rebounding I didn't realize you were talking boards per 40 minutes.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Bynum isn't a whole lot worse than Dwight. Dwight is extremely overrated.

[DJB]

Still no bigs that can pass out of the double team...

[jonnybravo]

Still no bigs that can pass out of the double team...

Do you consider Gasol a big?

I agree Bynum is horrific at recognizing the double.

[mystargtr34]

Bynum isn't a whole lot worse than Dwight. Dwight is extremely overrated.

Offensively.

[wireonfire]

So i was chekcing my Fantasy Basketball team and i havent noticed how similar the stats of these two were. Not bad considering that Howard is argueably the best center in the league at the moment. Also, Howard is suppose to be superior defensively compared to Bynum. Keep in mind that Bynum also averages 4 mins more per game.

Take it for what its worth:


PLAYER FG% FT% REB AST STL BLK PTS
Howard .625 .576 11.1 1.4 0.7 1.7 17.4
Bynum .579 .767 10.9 1.3 0.6 1.7 19.7

Both are Yao's biitches.

[Steve Jobs]

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