Mayweather agrees to fight Pacquiao

[dallaskd]

The proposed super fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather is getting closer.

Mayweather agreed to terms for the welterweight title bout on Tuesday, multiple sources with knowledge of the negotiations told ESPN.com.

The proposed date is March 13, although there is a chance it could move to May 1, sources said. Mayweather, according to a source close to him, is OK with either date.

Pacquiao and Mayweather have fought recent bouts at catch weights. However if they complete their deal, the bout would be contested at 147 pounds, the maximum for a welterweight fight, a source said.

Top Rank's Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KOs), was flying to the Philippines on Tuesday night to meet with Pacquiao and try to close his side of the deal.

Arum spent much of Tuesday getting open issues resolved in his negotiations with Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, who represents Mayweather, sources said. Once Arum was able to do that, he left for the Philippines and is expected back on Monday.

If the HBO PPV fight happens on March 13, it would force the tentative HBO PPV fight between light heavyweights Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins to move to another date. Hopkins and Jones both fight Wednesday and must win for their fight to go through.

The site for Pacquiao-Mayweather remains up in the air. There is interest from Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to bring the fight to his new stadium. There is also interest from venues in Las Vegas, including the MGM Grand (which has hosted several Pacquiao and Mayweather fights), and the Superdome in New Orleans in hosting a fight many believe will break the all-time record for pay-per-view buys, which is the 2.44 million units sold for Mayweather's 2007 split decision victory against Oscar De La Hoya.

The fight moved front and center with heavy public demand for it following Pacquiao's dominant 12th-round knockout of Miguel Cotto to win a welterweight title on Nov. 14. The victory gave Pacquiao a title in a record-breaking seventh weight division and 1.25 million pay-per-view units.

Mayweather (40-0, 25 KOs), who has won titles in five divisions, came out of a brief retirement in September to dominate Juan Manuel Marquez in a fight that generated 1.05 million buys.

Just a few days after Pacquiao's win over Cotto, Arum and Schaefer began negotiations.

One wrench in the talks was the date. Arum, Schaefer and HBO wanted to slot the fight on May 1. However, Pacquiao announced his candidacy for a congressional seat in the Philippines on Tuesday. With the election scheduled for May 10, it rules out a May 1 fight unless Pacquiao runs unopposed. Pacquiao lost the election for a congressional seat in 2007.

If Pacquiao-Mayweather isn't finalized, Arum has talked about matching Pacquiao with junior middleweight titlist Yuri Foreman, which would give Pacquiao an opportunity to win a title in an eighth division. Foreman defeated Daniel Santos to win a 154-pound belt on the Pacquiao-Cotto undercard.

Schaefer has talked about bringing Mayweather to England to match him with Matthew Hatton in the event Pacquiao-Mayweather isn't made. Hatton is the brother of Ricky Hatton, the former junior welterweight and welterweight titlist whom Mayweather knocked out in 2007.

Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com.


http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4705330

[TDMVPDPOY]

wats the split for the match?

[IronMexican]

It's a step in the right direction. It wont happen till at least June, though.

[IronMexican]

http://video.telegraph.co.uk/services/player/bcpid1138375875?bctid=53129856001

[dallaskd]

hey ironmexican, you seem to know your boxing. If this fight comes to arlington, how much you think ticket prices will range?

[IronMexican]

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eeeee chills. I hope this happens in MArch, but I doubt it. It's going to get pushed to the Summer.

[IronMexican]

hey ironmexican, you seem to know your boxing. If this fight comes to arlington, how much you think ticket prices will range?

No idea. I've never been to a boxing event.

[IronMexican]

so excited brosef. so excited.

[IronMexican]

it would be cool to see hopkins/jones, too on the same card. man, please let it be march 15th. soooo wicked fucking sweet.

[IronMexican]

I wanna see them fight for sure that day. hopkins/jones as an undercard.

[TheMACHINE]

man..march is coming up sooo fast if they decide to do it then.

[DBryant88]

what a birthday gift it will be!!!

[ATRAIN]

it would be cool to see hopkins/jones, too on the same card. man, please let it be march 15th. soooo wicked fucking sweet.

They are saying the 13 of March. The 15 is a monday!! The 13 would be sweet cause its my bday!!!

[Cry Havoc]

What a massive, incredible fight this would be. Definitely the biggest match since the Tyson era, perhaps the biggest fight since the days of Muhammad Ali.

Oh, and I can't wait to see Floyd get his face beat in.

[tlongII]

Great news! This will be a terrific fight!

[TheMACHINE]

it would be insane if it was at the Cowboy Stadium...you thihk it would sell out?

[IronMexican]

it would be insane if it was at the Cowboy Stadium...you thihk it would sell out?

No fucking shit it would.

[dbreiden83080]

You can't have a fight with 2 little guys in a stadium that big. You won't be able to see shit past like the 10th row.. :lol


It'll be in Vegas, gamblers drive the sport..

[dbreiden83080]

I'd expect Mayweather to be the favorite by fight time..

[xtremesteven33]

i just want to see a great fight.

Im kinda rooting for Mayweather but overall I just wanna see an epic fight.

[TheMACHINE]

The early betting odds are predicting -150 to -200 favorite for Pac. God I hope this is true.

just like how you chose cotto to win the last one huh ;)

[anakha]

I'd expect Mayweather to be the favorite by fight time..

That'll depend on how much the Filipinos will be betting.

[JamStone]

That'll depend on how much the Filipinos will be betting.

Pare, Filipinos don't gamble. :eyebrows

:smokin :drunk :ihit

[The Gemini Method]

It looks like it is official; Manny vs. Floyd on March 13th 2010...

[dbreiden83080]

Fuckin Awesome. can't wait for this fight..

HBO should do like a 15 episode 24/7 for this, biggest fight for non heavyweights since probably Ray/Hagler..

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4712939

MANILA, Philippines -- Manny Pacquiao likely will fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. on March 13 after agreeing to a proposal from promoter Bob Arum on Friday.

Arum presented "what he thought was the best proposal he can bring" during a two-hour breakfast meeting with Pacquiao in Manila, said Michael Koncz, an adviser of the Philippine boxing idol.

"Manny has some additional requirements, requests, which Arum didn't think was a problem," Koncz said. "The requests of Manny were so realistic that Arum doesn't feel it's a problem and it's pretty much a done deal."

He said the contract still needs "fine tuning," declining to elaborate.

"We all believe that it will be done," Koncz said.

In an interview with GMA television, Pacquiao said, "March 13 is OK."

"The difference between Floyd and others I have fought is that Floyd makes a lot of trash talk that should not be imitated by young people," he said.

Arum could not be reached for comment.

If the deal is completed, the bout would be contested at 147 pounds for the welterweight title, a source told ESPN.com's Dan Rafael.

Koncz, who is in charge of Pacquiao's boxing promotion company in Nevada, said Pacquiao is "very comfortable" with the date.

Pacquiao is running for a congressional seat in May 2010 elections and official campaigning won't start before April.

If the bout goes ahead, it will match two men regarded as the best pound-for-pound fighters.

Boxing fans have been looking forward to a superfight between Pacquiao and the undefeated Mayweather after the Filipino champion defeated Miguel Cotto last month.

The March 13 date comes four months after the Cotto fight -- a shorter period of time than the six months after Pacquiao defeated Ricky Hatton. But Koncz said it will be enough time for Pacquiao to get back in shape.

"Nobody knows his body better than Manny," he said. "If Manny feels that that's plenty of time to rest and recover, then you know, he has to do what he feels is right."

He said Pacquiao "cannot train for more than seven weeks."

If the fight is agreed upon, there likely would be a Jan. 11 news conference in New York to announce it. The bout could be the richest ever, assuming pay-per-view projections are accurate.

Representatives of the Superdome in New Orleans and the new Cowboys Stadium in Dallas have expressed interest in hosting the fight, as has the MGM Grand hotel-casino in Las Vegas, where the fighters have had their biggest fights. There is also a proposal for a 30,000-seat temporary stadium on the Las Vegas Strip across from the Wynn resort.

Oddsmakers are already taking bets on the fight, with most making Mayweather a slight favorite.

[dallaskd]

Manny inks his side of the deal..


Manny Pacquiao has signed a contract to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. in boxing's biggest fight on March 13, a source with knowledge of the meeting told ESPN.com on Friday night.

Arum and Pacquiao met for two hours Friday to discuss the proposed deal, according to Pacquiao adviser Michael Koncz, who told the Associated Press that "Manny has some additional requirements, requests, which Arum didn't think was a problem. The requests of Manny were so realistic that Arum doesn't feel it's a problem and it's pretty much a done deal."

Later Friday it became a done deal, at least on the Pacquiao side, when he signed the paperwork, the source said.

Mayweather had previously agreed to terms with Golden Boy Promotions, his promoter for the HBO PPV fight, but it was unclear if he had signed a contract.

The source also disclosed other aspects of the fight, which will take place at the welterweight limit of 147 pounds for Pacquiao's title and match the top two fighters in the world, pound-for-pound.

The camps agreed to a 50-50 split of the money, which could be gargantuan. Many experts expect the fight to eclipse the all-time pay-per-view record for sales, which is the 2.44 million buys generated by Mayweather's 2007 victory against Oscar De La Hoya.

Both fighters will wear 8-ounce gloves but each fighter will be allowed to select the brand of gloves he will wear for the fight.

For promotional purposes, the bout will be referred to as Mayweather-Pacquiao, but Top Rank will receive first billing over Golden Boy throughout the promotion.

However, instead of a full-scale media tour, there will only be a single press conference in New York during the second week of January. With the schedule compressed because of the March 13 date for the fight, rather than May 1, which the promoters and HBO PPV preferred, it didn't leave time for a lengthy media tour.

The fight is going to take place March 13 because Pacquiao is running for a congressional seat in the Philippines and the elections are in May, which would have been a conflict between his training and the campaign.

Pacquiao will spend the first half of his training camp in Baguio in the Philippines, where he also trained for the first part of his camp in preparation for his 12th-round knockout victory against Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14. For the final few weeks of his training, Pacquiao and trainer Freddie Roach will relocate to Roach's Wild Card gym in Hollywood, Calif.

The site of the bout has not been finalized. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has expressed interest in bringing the fight to his new stadium as have representatives from the Superdome in New Orleans. Also in the mix is the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, which has hosted several Pacquiao and Mayweather bouts. Arum has also received a proposal for a 30,000-seat temporary stadium on the Las Vegas Strip across from the Wynn resort

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4715684

[TheMACHINE]

i wonder if PBF does his shoulder roll enough times, can Manny knock it out of his socket. lol

[HarlemHeat37]

I feel bad for Pacquio's hype people..the hype is getting too strong..Floyd isn't losing to anybody..

[TheMACHINE]

I feel bad for Pacquio's hype people..the hype is getting too strong..Floyd isn't losing to anybody..

and floyd isnt hype?

[Yogurt210]

Floyd’s boxing skill is superb and of course it will be the determining factor for this fight.
Can’t wait for this, two fighters in their prime with no excuses. Let’s hope training camp goes well for both sides and no delays. This is a boxing fight for everyone to watch.

[Yogurt210]

and floyd isnt hype?


hype doesn't make money like he does.
Neither fighters are hype...it's gunna be goooood.

[TheMACHINE]

hype doesn't make money like he does.
Neither fighters are hype...it's gunna be goooood.

and that was gonna be my second point..i floyd isnt hyped, then no doubt Pacman isnt either.

So who you got winning?

[Yogurt210]

tough tough call, as bad as I would love to see mayweather lose, I still think he will beat Pac. His in and out boxing style is un-flawed. Now if he chooses to trade..then PacMan. But I see alot of jabs, jabs, jabs, shoulder rolls, using the ring, in and out, and of course more jabs. It will def. throw Manny off his game. Of course we all know Mayweather can counter, and those counters are what will hurt Manny.

So my money would be on Mayweather.

[Yogurt210]

It might be weird to say this, but I think Sugar Shane has the best chance to beat Mayweather.

[DBryant88]

Go Mayweather!!!

[TheMACHINE]

tough tough call, as bad as I would love to see mayweather lose, I still think he will beat Pac. His in and out boxing style is un-flawed. Now if he chooses to trade..then PacMan. But I see alot of jabs, jabs, jabs, shoulder rolls, using the ring, in and out, and of course more jabs. It will def. throw Manny off his game. Of course we all know Mayweather can counter, and those counters are what will hurt Manny.

So my money would be on Mayweather.

i think that pac has a good chance to win. Pac matches mayweather's speed if not faster. Pac is also stronger and is southpaw. Dont get me wrong...mayweather is a fine defensive fighter....but pacman can definately keep pressure with the volume of punches, the angles, the speed and power.

You, yourself were absolutely convinced that pacman had "no chance" at beating Cotto. Not only did Pacman beat Cotto but he gave him a beat down. He basically walked through Cotto's punches which is what pacman fans wernt so sure about. Boxing fans like myself really didnt know how well pacmans chin would hold up against a legit welterwieght fighter, especially a fighter as strong as Cotto. Now we have witnessed that pacman can take a punch. I highly doubt that mayweather can KO pacman, we'll just see if he can play defense the whole fight without getting behind in the scorecard.

It'll be a great fight.

[Yogurt210]

Well, Im not concerned with Mayweathers power, he never had one hit power. His speed, acummlation, and counters are what destroys people. Pacman is stronger, no doubt but he has to crack that Mayweather defense. PAcman can take a punch damn well, but he is always open for the jab. We all know Floyd will use it and will connect with it most of the time. I think Pacman will hurt Mayweather if he catches Floyd doing the lunging/jumping in right hand.

Youre right Manny has alot of angles too..but floyd will shoulder roll and dodge most of them and counter...that's his game.

Speaking of cotto, great fight. My boy let me down. oh well, hopefully he can get his self together and come back.

[Whisky Dog]

A lot of allegations that PAC is juicing. It's a wonder

[Whisky Dog]

Of course mayweather will win, the one tine I want the philippino to win he'll end up getting defeated. Shit just works that way.

[mexicanjunior]

This fight will be such greatness...

[xtremesteven33]

The question of the night will be...

"Can Mayweather take a punch?"

[Yogurt210]

The question of the night will be...

"Can Mayweather take a punch?"


the world will never know, lol..He aint called pretty boy for nothing. He knows how to protect that mug.

[TheMACHINE]

do you think mayweathers defense will give him enough points to win by decision?

[Yogurt210]

do you think mayweathers defense will give him enough points to win by decision?

hes done it 40 times.

[Cry Havoc]

hes done it 40 times.

Mayweather has never fought someone even close to the level of Manny.

[Yogurt210]

Mayweather has never fought someone even close to the level of Manny.


same goes for manny...

[TheMACHINE]

same goes for manny...

i disagree there. Mayweather has never fought someone as fast as manny, let alone someone who has the power too.

Manny has fought stronger and bigger guys then Mayweather. I hate to keep bringing up Cotto, but i have to since you yourself made it seem like Cotto was in a higher level then Pacquiao before the last fight...Now you are saying that Pacman has never fought a fighter in the level as Mayweather. Too much flip-flopping going around.

Im not trying to flame you, but i dont even think Mayweather's level has been "all that". I look at who he fought, and i dont think he has fought anyone who you would think he would even lose to prior to the fight. Is he really that good, or is he just fighting people lower then him? In the other hand, Manny has been fighting boxers who people doubt he can even win, such as Cotto and DLH.

[Yogurt210]

i disagree there. Mayweather has never fought someone as fast as manny, let alone someone who has the power too.

Manny has fought stronger and bigger guys then Mayweather. I hate to keep bringing up Cotto, but i have to since you yourself made it seem like Cotto was in a higher level then Pacquiao before the last fight...Now you are saying that Pacman has never fought a fighter in the level as Mayweather. Too much flip-flopping going around.

Im not trying to flame you, but i dont even think Mayweather's level has been "all that". I look at who he fought, and i dont think he has fought anyone who you would think he would even lose to prior to the fight. Is he really that good, or is he just fighting people lower then him? In the other hand, Manny has been fighting boxers who people doubt he can even win, such as Cotto and DLH.

Who is flip-flopping? Post where you see me flip-flopping.

Cotto is not up to mayweather, neither was DLH since he is way past his prime.

Only person close to Mayweather were those two. No excuse on Cotto he lost yeah, but he def. wasnt on mayweathers level. We all know that.

On the other hand...mayweather hasnt fought a Pacman.
And Pacman hasnt fought a Mayweather.
Hence this will be a great fight.

But look at Juan Manuel, he is Manny's biggest challenge and both of those fights were highly debateable.

Then you look at floyd on what he did to JMM and his boxing skills and speed are 2x times to that of JMM.

So there you have it, Which one of Manny's opponent has given Mayweather a run for his money?....Possibly DLH..but then again that's debatable.

Both fighters are good. But I lean on Floyd this one. Manny seems to have trouble with true boxers and we havent really seen floyd in toruble..who knows. Ive had bad luck this year calling fights, maybe I'll jinx Floyd.

[TheMACHINE]

Who is flip-flopping? Post where you see me flip-flopping.

Cotto is not up to mayweather, neither was DLH since he is way past his prime.

Only person close to Mayweather were those two. No excuse on Cotto he lost yeah, but he def. wasnt on mayweathers level. We all know that.

On the other hand...mayweather hasnt fought a Pacman.
And Pacman hasnt fought a Mayweather.
Hence this will be a great fight.

But look at Juan Manuel, he is Manny's biggest challenge and both of those fights were highly debateable.

Then you look at floyd on what he did to JMM and his boxing skills and speed are 2x times to that of JMM.

So there you have it, Which one of Manny's opponent has given Mayweather a run for his money?....Possibly DLH..but then again that's debatable.

Both fighters are good. But I lean on Floyd this one. Manny seems to have trouble with true boxers and we havent really seen floyd in toruble..who knows. Ive had bad luck this year calling fights, maybe I'll jinx Floyd.

Cotto wasnt up to Mayweather's level based on what? Cuz he lost to Pacman and Margarito? Is that it? You know how bad ass Cotto was. Cotto beat the best welterweights and didnt duck them. He lost to a loaded Margarito, but beat Mosely and Clottey. Cotto would have whopped on Hatton and DLH and prob whooped on Marquez aswell.

[TheMACHINE]

also...keep in mind that PBF fought a smaller Marquez while Pacman and marquez fought in an even weight. No mismatch in weight. I bet PBF was like 20 pounds heavier then marquez when they fought.

[Yogurt210]

Cotto wasnt up to Mayweather's level based on what? Cuz he lost to Pacman and Margarito? Is that it? You know how bad ass Cotto was. Cotto beat the best welterweights and didnt duck them. He lost to a loaded Margarito, but beat Mosely and Clottey. Cotto would have whopped on Hatton and DLH and prob whooped on Marquez aswell.


cotto is very good. Thats why I love him. But for mayweather's style, no.
Manny is more of an exchanger, thats why I gave Cotto the punchers luck. But that didnt happen. It wasnt just Manny's speed, it was his angles, plus Cotto isnt the best defensive guy. O well.

As for weight, Manny fought a lighter /drained DLH.
Dont ask me why DLH did that, but o welll...he lost becuz of it.


both of these fighters are about equal on paper. Its going to offense vs defense. plain and simple.

[TheMACHINE]

I see this fight as being like the DLH/Mayweather fight. But in this case, Manny will connect more then DLH connected. If i recall, DLH got a split decision based on his aggression and thrown punches. I have no doubt that Manny will throw just as much and connect more the DLH did. Mayweather is gonna get hit. Yes he will duck a majority of it (unlike pacmans past opponents who practiclaly got hit 50% of every throw), but i think its going to come down to whether Mayweather can duck enough punches while in turn connecting with his counters. He's done it before, but not against someone who has thrown this much punches at these various angles with this type of crazy fast speed.

[lefty]

Who cares about those fucking boxing matches?

They're all fixed, it's GAY

[xellos88330]

Manny will win no doubt.

[Ness]

i wonder if PBF does his shoulder roll enough times, can Manny knock it out of his socket. lolMoney is probably not going to use his shoulder against a southpaw.

Cotto only had 5 months off between fights. Manny has enough time to recover.

[TheMACHINE]

Apparantly, Floyd wants Pacman to take a blood (olympic style) test for drugs.

Also, there is a report that Mayweather is threating to back out of the fight cuz of weight issues. I dont really understand what the article means, so if someone can explain it, that'll be great.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/283970

[Spurstro]

Don't think it'll happen, but Jerry Jones is trying hard to get the fight in his stadium.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/news/story?id=4752110

[Ness]

Apparantly, Floyd wants Pacman to take a blood (olympic style) test for drugs.

Also, there is a report that Mayweather is threating to back out of the fight cuz of weight issues. I dont really understand what the article means, so if someone can explain it, that'll be great.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/283970The fight has to take place at 147 because the title is on the line.

Floyd is just trying to negotiate the fight.

[TheMACHINE]

The fight has to take place at 147 because the title is on the line.

Floyd is just trying to negotiate the fight.

from what i heard, 147 is already agreed on...what else is he trying to get in regards to weight.

[LakasRool4eva]

dis is Money in da Bank mark my words..............

[Ness]

from what i heard, 147 is already agreed on...what else is he trying to get in regards to weight.Money wants to use the gloves he prefers to use for the fight.

8 oz gloves vs. 10 oz gloves.

You can notice a big difference between 8 oz gloves and 10 oz gloves. Remember Floyd has a history of injuring his hands.

[Hooks]

hey ironmexican, you seem to know your boxing. If this fight comes to arlington, how much you think ticket prices will range?


The tickets will be expensive as hell, I've heard of the front row seats selling for a couple thousand. You're going to need close seats if you want to actually be able to see the fighters. I went to Holyfield-Oquendo here in SA, fight took place in the Alamodome. I wound up spending I think a little over $100 for my ticket, we were seated at I think the very top of the mid-level. I could barely even seen the fighters, keep in mind these two guys are heavyweights over 6ft tall and 200+, Pacman and Mayweather are very small. I wound up watching most of the fight on the big screen. The atmosphere is exciting and all but I don't think it's worth it unless you get good seats. For the crappy mid-level seats I'd guess a couple hundred.

You also gotta deal with some rowdy fans(remember, these are boxing fans), people get really drunk and start fights all the time in the stands. When I was at the fight, there were at least 3 fights that I could see from where I was sitting. The fight wasn't that packed either, I could just imagine what it'd be like in a mega fight such as this. Not family oriented at all if you're wanting to bring a kid lol, but pretty darn fun if you go with your buddies.

[TheNextGen]

The closer the fight gets, the more i'm convinced that Manny will beat Mayweather. I think it'll be just too much pressure for Mayweather to handle. Angles, speed, power and now has a proven chin...thats a deadly combination.

Looking forward to a great fight.

[Spurstro]

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4762409

Looks like it'll be at the MGM.

Can't believe this fight is going to happen on my wedding day.

[dbreiden83080]

The closer the fight gets, the more i'm convinced that Manny will beat Mayweather. I think it'll be just too much pressure for Mayweather to handle. Angles, speed, power and now has a proven chin...thats a deadly combination.

Looking forward to a great fight.

Floyd is too skilled for Manny, he toyed with Marquez and he gave Manny fits..

[dbreiden83080]

Oh Fuck

Probably a minor setback that will get worked out..





http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Boxing+Welterweight+champ+Pacquiao+refuses+drug+te sting+Mayweather+fight+jeopardy/2372213/story.html

LOS ANGELES — "The reported fight between top boxers Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. has hit an impasse after it was revealed Pacquiao will not comply with Olympic style drug testing as outlined and mandated by the United States Anti Doping Agency (USADA).


Pacquiao has stated he has difficulty taking blood and does not want to be subject to random testing within 30 days prior to the fight.


The 30-year-old Pacquiao, the current welterweight champion and title holder in seven different weight classes, has agreed, however, to have his blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.


"I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don't know anyone who really does," said the undefeated Mayweather. "But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same.


"It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night. I hope that this is either some miscommunication or that Manny will change his mind and step up and allow these tests, which were good enough for all these other great athletes, to be performed by USADA."


Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KOs) is coming off a 12-round TKO of Miguel Cotto, while Mayweather (40-0-0, 25 KOs), who retired for nearly two years from 2007-09, has just one fight since his return to boxing - a unanimous decision over Juan Manuel Marquez"

If Floyd is willing to submit to these tests, Manny must do the same..

[dbreiden83080]

Update Freddie Roach makes the most ignorant fuckin statement in the history of the English Language...



Roach said his concern about the timing of a blood test has nothing to do with hiding anything. "It's 100% mental. If it's in your head that [a blood test] weakens you, then it will weaken you," he said.

:rolleyes:rolleyes::lol:lol

[Stringer_Bell]

Update Freddie Roach makes the most ignorant fuckin statement in the history of the English Language...



Roach said his concern about the timing of a blood test has nothing to do with hiding anything. "It's 100% mental. If it's in your head that [a blood test] weakens you, then it will weaken you," he said.

:rolleyes:rolleyes::lol:lol

Honestly, I can understand where that's coming from. Whether it's how he was raised, or worried about his routine, I don't think it gives heavy "doubt" to fairness. There's no reason for it, but it's a nice strategy to fuck with Manny.

This is a psy-op by Mayweather, and a clever one. This shit is gonna be nasty! :downspin:

[dbreiden83080]

Roach's statement, makes no sense. Manny is not giving blood they are taking blood, one little vile worth. It won't weaken him and i doubt that Manny is weak mentally to the tune of thinking it will. Sounds like they are scared of what will be found..

[Yogurt210]

Roach's statement, makes no sense. Manny is not giving blood they are taking blood, one little vile worth. It won't weaken him and i doubt that Manny is weak mentally to the tune of thinking it will. Sounds like they are scared of what will be found..

uh oh, Manny on ROIDS, lol.
that is a damn shame if he wont submit to drug testing.

[TheNextGen]

what a bitch ass pussy PBF is. Daddy Sr thinks Manny is on drugs so he wants some olympic style test that the Nevada sanction doesnt even require. Floyd finding a way to duck this one too.

Maybe he should pick on another lightweight like Marquez so he can be 20 pounds heavier then them. Thats a level playing field. =P

[dbreiden83080]

Dan Rafael take

Basically he says Manny better say yes or his rep will be badly tarnished..

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4766620

[dbreiden83080]

what a bitch ass pussy PBF is. Daddy Sr thinks Manny is on drugs so he wants some olympic style test that the Nevada sanction doesnt even require. Floyd finding a way to duck this one too.

Maybe he should pick on another lightweight like Marquez so he can be 20 pounds heavier then them. Thats a level playing field. =P

If Floyd is willing to submit to the testing, Manny should take no issue unless he's got something to hide. This is the biggest fight in boxing non-heavyweight since Leonard/Hagler. A Gazillion dollars at stake.. But Manny might blow it because he doesn't want to get pricked with a needle. All signs point to, the fight being a done deal as long as he says yes to this last thing..

[TheNextGen]

Floyd is too skilled for Manny, he toyed with Marquez and he gave Manny fits..

im not sure if you remembered it, but Manny and Marquez fought at 130, while Floyd fought Marquez at 147. How many times have you seen Marquez fight past 135 let alone 140?

[TheNextGen]

If Floyd is willing to submit to the testing, Manny should take no issue unless he's got something to hide. This is the biggest fight in boxing non-heavyweight since Leonard/Hagler. A Gazillion dollars at stake.. But Manny might blow it because he doesn't want to get pricked with a needle. All signs point to, the fight being a done deal as long as he says yes to this last thing..

from what i read, Floyd wants the blood to be pulled 48 hours before the fight. Is that even common?

Also, just because Floyd says he wants something, that doesnt mean it has to be done.

[dbreiden83080]

from what i read, Floyd wants the blood to be pulled 48 hours before the fight. Is that even common?

Also, just because Floyd says he wants something, that doesnt mean it has to be done.

The problem is Floyd is willing to do it and Manny isn't.. Manny wants to blow the fight so he doesn't get pricked with a needle..

And it's 30 days not 48 hrs

[TheNextGen]

The problem is Floyd is willing to do it and Manny isn't.. Manny wants to blow the fight so he doesn't get pricked with a needle..

And it's 30 days not 48 hrs

i understand he is willing to do it...doesnt mean he has to do it cuz mayweather says so. The only reason the HGH talk happened is cuz his dad says so. Thats it. Manny passed every other test regulated by the state commision. There is no reason to change that beacuse one speculates.

[TheNextGen]

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-boximpasse122209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

license in Nevada is good for one year. In Pacquiao’s case, he received his 2009 license shortly before he fought Ricky Hatton in May. He submitted his blood to the commission between April 5 and April 20, said Keith Kizer, the commission’s executive director.

Kizer said all fighters who fight in Nevada are subject to random urine tests as well as any other medical tests, such as an MRI or a CAT scan, that the commission deems necessary. Arum said Pacquiao is willing to submit to testing by an outside agency but won’t give his blood. Roach said it’s an issue because Mayweather’s side has been insisting Pacquiao give blood as close as 48 hours within the fight

[dbreiden83080]

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-boximpasse122209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

license in Nevada is good for one year. In Pacquiao’s case, he received his 2009 license shortly before he fought Ricky Hatton in May. He submitted his blood to the commission between April 5 and April 20, said Keith Kizer, the commission’s executive director.

Kizer said all fighters who fight in Nevada are subject to random urine tests as well as any other medical tests, such as an MRI or a CAT scan, that the commission deems necessary. Arum said Pacquiao is willing to submit to testing by an outside agency but won’t give his blood. Roach said it’s an issue because Mayweather’s side has been insisting Pacquiao give blood as close as 48 hours within the fight

Rafael is saying it is 30 days before the fight, if Floyd wants 48 hrs before, i say still do it, give Floyd no excuses at all, to not fight. If Manny is 100% clean, what is the problem??

[TheNextGen]

Rafael is saying it is 30 days before the fight, if Floyd wants 48 hrs before, i say still do it, give Floyd no excuses at all, to not fight. If Manny is 100% clean, what is the problem??

That sounds fair. While we're at it, might as well make olympic style drug test mandatory for everyone in boxing. So it makes sure everyone is at a level playing field. If they are clean, they shoudn't mind.

Heck..lets put DUI check points in almost every corner. Hey, if we arn't drunk, we shouldnt mind. Are you down to for a search of your belongings everytime you leave the grocery store. I mean, if you didnt steal anythng you shouldnt mind too. Lets just assume everyone is bad even though we didnt do anything to warrant it. :rolleyes

Just another excuse for the great Floyd Mayweather to duck this fight.

[dbreiden83080]

That sounds fair. While we're at it, might as well make olympic style drug test mandatory for everyone in boxing.

They should, i love MMA and sadly i'm sure tons of guys are cheating in that sport too and getting away with it..



So it makes sure everyone is at a level playing field.
Uh huh..



Lets just assume everyone is bad even though we didnt do anything to warrant it. :rolleyes

Unfortunately in this era of cheating across the board and beating tests, we do basically need to assume someone is cheating their ass off when they refuse to submit to stringent testing. Manny says "It is a mental thing" nobody with half a working brain buys that. Yeah "i am gonna flush a 40 or 50 mil payday because someone wants to take my blood 4 weeks from the fight and i have never done it before, so i can't do it now". There is a reason why the Union will strike before agreeing to HGH testing in MLB, and it's clear there is a reason Manny and his people are balking at the blood test 30 days out.. You see my point??



Just another excuse for the great Floyd Mayweather to duck this fight.

The ball is in Manny's court to not give him an excuse.

[TheMACHINE]

There are issues on both ends. Mayweather is demanding a little too much. It's never been used for any other mega fight and it's not like Pacman has been caught before. And then I see the aspect of well, if Manny has nothing to hide, just do the test. Both sides have points and I just hope they can find a way to compromise.

[dbreiden83080]

Roach

We don't need Mayweather. He needs us. We have other fights out there. We'll go fight [junior middleweight champ] Yuri Foreman and win a title in eight weight classes."

Oh yeah there is one people want to see... :rolleyes

[dbreiden83080]

There are issues on both ends. Mayweather is demanding a little too much. It's never been used for any other mega fight and it's not like Pacman has been caught before. And then I see the aspect of well, if Manny has nothing to hide, just do the test. Both sides have points and I just hope they can find a way to compromise.

Agreed and i hate these promoters like Arum now saying it's off we have other options, no you don't.. This is the fight everyone wants BOB!!

[TheMACHINE]

The ball is in Manny's court to not give him an excuse.

I disagree here. Manny is doing what the commision is asking. Manny is also okay with the blood test as long as its not right before the fight (from what i read). They need to find a middle road. The ball is not on Manny court cuz Mayweather can always retract the request.

[dbreiden83080]

I disagree here. Manny is doing what the commision is asking. Manny is also okay with the blood test as long as its not right before the fight (from what i read). They need to find a middle road. The ball is not on Manny court cuz Mayweather can always retract the request.

Mayweather can alter the request which is likely what will have to happen to get this back on track..

[TheMACHINE]

Mayweather can alter the request which is likely what will have to happen to get this back on track..

why cant a blood test after the fight be a viable solution?

[dbreiden83080]

why cant a blood test after the fight be a viable solution?

You need it before, why get in there and then find out someone cheated later?? I'd want it before

[I. Hustle]

Freddy Roach is an idiot. I used to like the guy but damn he is too cocky and arrogant.
I have been a Manny fan for years though so I am still pulling for him. I was kind of hoping for a Floyd Mayweather v. Bobby Pacquiao fight though. NOW that would be entertainment.

[TheMACHINE]

I can understand if there was some precedent that Pac has been cheating, but there isnt. I think thats what infuriates me. To my knowledge, this would be the first mega fight that would take a test like this.

[dbreiden83080]

I can understand if there was some precedent that Pac has been cheating, but there isnt. I think thats what infuriates me. To my knowledge, this would be the first mega fight that would take a test like this.

I don't know, it sounds like this is off.. :bang

I posted Dan Rafael's take on it, if you haven't seen it give it a listen, he breaks it all down..

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4766620

[I. Hustle]

I wish I could find a pic of Manny when he wore the Tim Duncan Jersey before his fight with Barrera here in SA.

[TheMACHINE]

Thanks...

Here's another take: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-10947-Indianapolis-Fight-Sports-Examiner~y2009m12d23-Cheap-Tricks-Mayweather-never-wanted-to-fight-Pacquiao-on-March-13

I said it then and I'm going to say it again. All these nonsense is nothing but your typical Floyd Mayweather Jr. smoke.

What did I tell you? Mayweather never intended to fight Pacquiao on March 13. In case you haven't noticed, Mayweather does most of his work with his mouth and working the media rather than really just lacing his gloves up against the best competition available.

Forget that he avoided Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto and Paul Williams right?! Mayweather never runs out of excuses, mind games, propaganda and trash talk to cover up the truth.

And the truth is? FLOYD NEVER WANTED TO FIGHT MANNY IN MARCH. Just sign the contract already Floyd!

All these media posturing, press releases and trash talk is just cheapening, not only himself, but the sport of boxing as well. First it was the venue, then it was the weight, and now what? Steroids? Again? Has the sport really sunk so low to allow the biggest fight of the decade to be controlled by Floyd Mayweather Sr.? Luckily it isn't and Bob Arum is right to suggest to simply dump these clowns.

Arum responded to Team Mayweather's press release saying, "The press release is absurd. Mayweather proves that he's a coward and he's looking for a way out of the fight. The Nevada commission has been doing drug testing for the last 40 years. To appease Mayweather, we agreed they could do urine analysis anytime they wanted. But Manny doesn't want them to draw his blood when he's in training because it weakens him," Arum said in an article published by USAToday.

I respect Floyd's skill as a boxer, but as a warrior and a fighter, the man is a ducker. He does his fighting in the media and with his mouth and just as Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach said in an interview with Brad Cooney and 8countnews, "He's just looking for a way out of the fight. He is scared, and he's just afraid that he's going to get his ass kicked. We don't work for Floyd Mayweather. We fight for the state commission, since when does the fighter make up the rules?"

[Stringer_Bell]

Roach's statement, makes no sense. Manny is not giving blood they are taking blood, one little vile worth. It won't weaken him and i doubt that Manny is weak mentally to the tune of thinking it will. Sounds like they are scared of what will be found..

As soon as I heard this, I went into my "cultural apologist" mode. I figured given Manny's cultural background, w/ superstitions and such, the whole blood taking thing in any form makes him a little uneasy which would be amplified if it could happen at any time during his routine.

Fuck the money when self-sabotage is at stake, I'd rather be labeled as mentally weak by the public that's feeding my pockets than knowingly fuck with my mindset and set myself up to lose in the face of the people that believe in me. The media reports are already damaging Manny, so the strategy is working.

The wonderful thing about Manny is that money doesn't define his persona, he's a fighter and a successful person in his community. Sure, lots of greed involved with his handlers (as with a lot of sports)...but he doesn't NEED this fight while his political career is also on the verge of peaking. Mayweather NEEDS this fight...and he's the one dictating the terms? Nah, that makes no sense for the secret beggar to be the public chooser.

It's naive as hell to think this has nothing to do with some kind of strategy from Mayweather's camp. No way would Manny cause such shame to his legacy by cheating...but he can do nothing if the media fucks with his legacy over the manufactured drama of the drug test. I hope he doesn't give in.

Also, I'm not pinoy or a huge Manny fan...I just have a good bullshit detector. :toast

[I. Hustle]

I can understand if there was some precedent that Pac has been cheating, but there isnt. I think thats what infuriates me. To my knowledge, this would be the first mega fight that would take a test like this.

I am on the fence with this one. Manny is just dominant and Floyd is scared of losing his record but at the same time why not just take the damn test? Are there dangers involved? If there are then I can understand but if it's just Roach wanting complete control like always then he needs to do it.

[TheMACHINE]

I am on the fence with this one. Manny is just dominant and Floyd is scared of losing his record but at the same time why not just take the damn test? Are there dangers involved? If there are then I can understand but if it's just Roach wanting complete control like always then he needs to do it.

i think its more of when the test is going to be taken. Thats the issue per Dan Rafeal.

[dbreiden83080]

Thanks...

Here's another take: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-10947-Indianapolis-Fight-Sports-Examiner~y2009m12d23-Cheap-Tricks-Mayweather-never-wanted-to-fight-Pacquiao-on-March-13

I said it then and I'm going to say it again. All these nonsense is nothing but your typical Floyd Mayweather Jr. smoke.

What did I tell you? Mayweather never intended to fight Pacquiao on March 13. In case you haven't noticed, Mayweather does most of his work with his mouth and working the media rather than really just lacing his gloves up against the best competition available.

Forget that he avoided Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto and Paul Williams right?! Mayweather never runs out of excuses, mind games, propaganda and trash talk to cover up the truth.

And the truth is? FLOYD NEVER WANTED TO FIGHT MANNY IN MARCH. Just sign the contract already Floyd!

All these media posturing, press releases and trash talk is just cheapening, not only himself, but the sport of boxing as well. First it was the venue, then it was the weight, and now what? Steroids? Again? Has the sport really sunk so low to allow the biggest fight of the decade to be controlled by Floyd Mayweather Sr.? Luckily it isn't and Bob Arum is right to suggest to simply dump these clowns.

Arum responded to Team Mayweather's press release saying, "The press release is absurd. Mayweather proves that he's a coward and he's looking for a way out of the fight. The Nevada commission has been doing drug testing for the last 40 years. To appease Mayweather, we agreed they could do urine analysis anytime they wanted. But Manny doesn't want them to draw his blood when he's in training because it weakens him," Arum said in an article published by USAToday.

I respect Floyd's skill as a boxer, but as a warrior and a fighter, the man is a ducker. He does his fighting in the media and with his mouth and just as Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach said in an interview with Brad Cooney and 8countnews, "He's just looking for a way out of the fight. He is scared, and he's just afraid that he's going to get his ass kicked. We don't work for Floyd Mayweather. We fight for the state commission, since when does the fighter make up the rules?"

Making major concessions is not new in mega fights. Did you know that in order for Hagler to get Ray to fight him in 1987, he had to agree to wearing huge gloves, and fighting in a way bigger ring than he wanted too. Ray's plan was to avoid his power and run like hell and sadly, it worked.. I hate the posturing from both, sides they just tell their side and ignore the middle ground. Manny's people say Floyd is scared and Floyd says Manny has something to hide, geez....

[TheMACHINE]

From doing research, the olympic commitee drug testers can take a sample anytime prior to the fight, including a few hours before. It looks like Roach wants the test to be only before the camp (30 days) or after the fight because it will change up the camp. Looks like Mawyeather is smart and is trying to get into pacmans head

[dbreiden83080]

I am on the fence with this one. Manny is just dominant and Floyd is scared of losing his record but at the same time why not just take the damn test? Are there dangers involved? If there are then I can understand but if it's just Roach wanting complete control like always then he needs to do it.

And if Manny agrees Floyd is dead in water if he still finds an excuse. That's why i kind of feel this is in Manny's court. Don't give Floyd an excuse to not fight you, take the test..

[I. Hustle]

i think its more of when the test is going to be taken. Thats the issue per Dan Rafeal.

Right, but will it in any way affect him negatively if he does it? Even if it was 48 hours before the fight?

I mean hey I am a Manny fan and I know he would beat Money May but c'mon. I plan on going to wherever this fight takes place.

Personally I think it's just Freddie Roach wanting to control every little aspect. The guy is just as bad as Mayweather.

[dbreiden83080]

30 days is fine, 48 hrs is asking too much. If Floyd walks away because he won't submit to testing 48 hrs before, then yeah he is scared to fight..

[TheMACHINE]

Right, but will it in any way affect him negatively if he does it? Even if it was 48 hours before the fight?



im not sure, but here is what Roach said:

Pacquiao’s trainer said the Filipino boxer, who has already compiled 50 wins against 3 losses and 2 draws (with 38 KOs), can easily pass any type of drug test. What he’s opposed to is having his boxer give blood a day before the fight.

“It's just like having sex before a fight. You're not supposed to have sex before a fight, it makes you weak. If you mentally think that, it will. When Manny gives blood it takes him 3 or 4 days to recover from it. I am not going to have my fighter going into a fight feeling weak and not sure of himself,” he said.

[I. Hustle]

im not sure, but here is what Roach said:

Pacquiao’s trainer said the Filipino boxer, who has already compiled 50 wins against 3 losses and 2 draws (with 38 KOs), can easily pass any type of drug test. What he’s opposed to is having his boxer give blood a day before the fight.

“It's just like having sex before a fight. You're not supposed to have sex before a fight, it makes you weak. If you mentally think that, it will. When Manny gives blood it takes him 3 or 4 days to recover from it. I am not going to have my fighter going into a fight feeling weak and not sure of himself,” he said.

Ok then have him take it a week or week and a half before the fight and then have them both tested after.
Does Floyd have to have this done if Manny agrees?

[In10se]

Manny is an odd dude from a different culture and is very superstitious so I can see him not wanting his blood taken before the fight in any way. There is no difference if they test 48 hours before the fight or 48 after, why not test after?

Floyd is scared. He doesn't know he'll lose but he has doubts. For the first time he's painted into a corner that he didn't get into with Margarito, Cotto, or Mosely. He's trying to bail but not look like a pussy.

[TheMACHINE]

Ok then have him take it a week or week and a half before the fight and then have them both tested after.
Does Floyd have to have this done if Manny agrees?

Roach doesnt want it during camp cuz it screws up training.

Dbreiden hit it right. They should just do the test right before camp starts.

[dbreiden83080]

im not sure, but here is what Roach said:

Pacquiao’s trainer said the Filipino boxer, who has already compiled 50 wins against 3 losses and 2 draws (with 38 KOs), can easily pass any type of drug test. What he’s opposed to is having his boxer give blood a day before the fight.

“It's just like having sex before a fight. You're not supposed to have sex before a fight, it makes you weak. If you mentally think that, it will. When Manny gives blood it takes him 3 or 4 days to recover from it. I am not going to have my fighter going into a fight feeling weak and not sure of himself,” he said.

Roach is micro-managing the shit out of Manny..

[TFloss32]

There are issues on both ends. Mayweather is demanding a little too much. It's never been used for any other mega fight and it's not like Pacman has been caught before. And then I see the aspect of well, if Manny has nothing to hide, just do the test. Both sides have points and I just hope they can find a way to compromise.

I also look at it from another angle. If I'm Mayweather (and truly want this fight to happen, which he doesn't), I take the badass attitude and say, "Screw it, I'll beat this guy whether he's doping or not." Two scenarios come out of that:

1.) Mayweather wins, gets a ridiculous payout and never has to fight again

2.) Mayweather loses, gets a ridiculous payout, probably gets a chance at a rematch, gets another ridiculous payout


He's trying to bail but not look like a pussy.

+1

[TheMACHINE]

Breaking news:
Dan Rafael (2:50 PM)


Bob is saying they will agree to three tests and wants to use the agencies that deal with MLB or NBA, etc...

[dbreiden83080]

Breaking news:
Dan Rafael (2:50 PM)


Bob is saying they will agree to three tests and wants to use the agencies that deal with MLB or NBA, etc...

Now we're getting somewhere..

[I. Hustle]

Roach is micro-managing the shit out of Manny..

Roach is too controlling. He lucked out landing Manny.

[I. Hustle]

breaking news:
Dan rafael (2:50 pm)


bob is saying they will agree to three tests and wants to use the agencies that deal with mlb or nba, etc...

boo ya

[TheMACHINE]

Dan Rafael (2:59 PM)


Bob says they want to keep the fight on track but that Manny will not do it via the USADA. They want to do it like the NFL and NBA and use their protocal. I think this fight will be saved.

[I. Hustle]

Dan Rafael (2:59 PM)


Bob says they want to keep the fight on track but that Manny will not do it via the USADA. They want to do it like the NFL and NBA and use their protocal. I think this fight will be saved.

If that's the case then hell yeah!


As far as the cultrue stuff. Well does anyone know for sure about the blood thing or is it just made up? Just throwing out reasons like that with no basis is kind of retarded.

[TheMACHINE]

HERE WE GO BOYS!

In response to the release sent out Tuesday by Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions which stated that Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was “in jeopardy,” Bob Arum, chairman of Top Rank, the promoter of seven-division world champion Manny Pacquiao, had the following to say: “Let’s be very clear on the real issues we differ on. It’s not about being tested. Manny is onboard with that since it’s such a major concern of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. It’s about who does the testing and the scheduling of the procedures. Manny will submit to as many random urine tests requested. Regarding the blood tests, he will subject himself to three tests; one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one thirty days from the fight, no later than February 13, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Manny’s locker room. The major issue related to the testing rests with which independent agency will administer these tests. The United States Anti Doping Agency (USADA) cannot do it because they will not amend its procedures to accommodate the blood testing schedule we have outlined. USADA, under its guidelines, would have the right to administer random blood tests as many times as they want up to weigh-in day and that is ludicrous.
“Our suggestion is to utilize any of the independent agencies that work with the National Football League, the National Basketball Association or Major League Baseball, since they administer drug testing for their professional athletes.”

New York-based athletic physician, Dr. Keith Pyne, a private injury consultant for NFL athletes and those who participate in running and combat sports, told AOL Fanhouse,
“I have more than 800 guys who are special athletes who are all drug-tested. And the urine testing is sufficient that you won’t miss anything, especially with performance-enhancing drugs. So, yes, I believe that the urine testing is more than sufficient for boxing. If you’re using steroids, it’s going to come up for sure in urine. There’s no way it’s going to get through the liver and the kidney without being detected.”

“If Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions are sincere in creating ‘a level playing field,’ as they stated in their release, our recommendations should put their minds at ease,” said Arum. “If not, one has to wonder if their motives are more about leveling the fight.”

[I. Hustle]

Yeah. Why not just do a piss test? That wouldn't disrupt training. Floyd demands blood!

[In10se]

HGH cannot be traced in urine. Need the blood test, but 30 before then right after should be good. Mayweather is playing mind games as usual.

[TheMACHINE]

lol
fRO7f6KPSCA

[Ness]

lol
fRO7f6KPSCAThis guy has very little common sense and boxing knowledge.

[crc21209]

Come on Pacquiao you pussy...:lol

[TheMACHINE]

Come on Pacquiao you pussy...:lol

Come on Mayweather you pussy...:lol

[dbreiden83080]

HGH cannot be traced in urine. Need the blood test, but 30 before then right after should be good. Mayweather is playing mind games as usual.

HGH is the issue here for sure..

[crc21209]

Come on Mayweather you pussy...:lol

Why is Mayweather the pussy? Paquiao is the one refusing to do the testing...Hmm....

[Whisky Dog]

Why is Mayweather the pussy? Paquiao is the one refusing to do the testing...Hmm....

He's not refusing testing, he's refusing testing right before the fight because it's unecessary and could fuck up his stamina and mojo for the fight. Testing right before camp then imeediately after the fight is the same thing, Mayweather is ducking as usual and is being a giant pussy.

[Whisky Dog]

Legacy of Floyd Mayweather Jr. :

The skills to be the best all time but too much of a pussy to prove it.

[Kermit]

Money's making Pacquiao look foolish. Never before in boxing history has one fighter been so outmatched when it comes to talking. It's a shame Pac's going to demolish him if they ever fight.

[Whisky Dog]

I don't agree, to ne Mayweather looks like he's scared. He's making himself look like a pussy.

[I. Hustle]

Yeah Money May is not the winner here. The dude is looking like a chump. The only thing bad to say about Manny is that his trainer can't shut his dumb mouth.

[TheMACHINE]

Why is Mayweather the pussy? Paquiao is the one refusing to do the testing...Hmm....

Mayweather is the pussy because he is making Pacman do a test that wasnt even sanctioned by the Nevada State Commission. No boxer has ever done this test in the history of boxing. Mayweather needs to man up and just fight. THATS WHY HE IS A PUSSY.

[dbreiden83080]

We should just chill on this thing until it gets worked out and i believe it will. I see both sides, but really right now and i emphasize right now, i am on Floyd's side. If i find out later this was just a ploy on his part to get out of the fight then i'll be all over him. Manny saying he wants a cut-off on this testing is very suspicious, to me that doesn't smell right. We are talking about a few drops of blood so any talk of him being weakened is nonsense, throw it out the window. Mayweather is saying yes to the testing, if it weakened you he'd never brought this up. I think the issue is HGH here and Floyd wants to know 100% that Manny is not taking it. Yes it is a precedent that no fighter has had to take before but at the same time we are talking about a 40-50 mil payday here. If Manny is willing to walk away from that because they won't agree to a cutoff point in drawing his blood then flat out, that tells me he was trying to get away with something. And his rep and fear of fighting without whatever he is using, meant more to him then the Floyd fight..

All that said, i think this gets worked out in the next few days..

[TheMACHINE]

i think after fight night, 30 days before and during press conferences should be acceptable to Floyd. You are right. We should chill. This thing will probably go away once a compromise has been made.

[dbreiden83080]

Promoter Bob Arum declared the much-anticipated fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. dead Thursday, though efforts continue to find a compromise to a dispute over blood testing.

Arum had set a Thursday deadline to come to an agreement on testing, which is the only issue not resolved for the planned March 13 fight. But with the Mayweather camp still insisting on using the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency to conduct the tests, Arum said there wasn't much left to discuss.

Despite Arum's statements, there were some talks through intermediaries to try to salvage the megafight. Neither side, though, appeared to be backing off its position on the biggest dispute _ who will do the testing.

Arum said he planned to move forward by having Pacquiao fight March 13 against Paul Malignaggi, a flashy but light-hitting 140-pounder. He said there was still a chance Pacquiao and Mayweather could meet later in the year.

Not to Bob Arum, "Stop making dumb-shit statements to the press and keep working this out, nobody cares about Manny and some 140 pd nobody"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hsxvOB_vZ7YJRHb-7dBZ5Hdl_Vog

[Cry Havoc]

This could very well be the final death knell for boxing if it's true.

I knew Mayweather would find some way to weasel out of the fight.

[TheNextGen]

This could very well be the final death knell for boxing if it's true.

I knew Mayweather would find some way to weasel out of the fight.

exactly. the proposed idea of 3 tests (2 prior and after the fight) should be good enough.

[T_MONEY_TX]

im going to try to get Mayweather Sr on theboxingtruth.com radio show on sunday at 9pm est, im going to see if Bob Arum would come on also and Mayweather Jr,

[TheGodfather]

Gayweather wants no part of this fight because he knows Manny would beat the shit out of him.

And now Manny's pissed:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4771718

[Kermit]

So now Manny's suing. Uh, good luck with that one buddy.

[resistanze]

PBF is already winning.

[dbreiden83080]

The more Manny over-reacts to this the more i wonder what his deal is? What is the difference who takes your blood and how often as long as it is clean??

[DMX7]

PBF is already winning.

this

[Cry Havoc]

Mayweather may want to rethink fighting Pacquiao if he's that worried about getting his vagina hurt.

[Creepn]

Manny will submit to as many random urine tests requested. Regarding the blood tests, he will subject himself to three tests; one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one thirty days from the fight, no later than February 13, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Manny’s locker room.


I came into the thread on Floyd's side, but after reading that deal Manny's camp suggested and Floyd STILL ducking from this solidifies that he is a pussy. 30 days before the fight and right after a fight is a pretty damn good compromise.

How long does HGH stays in the system? Will it still be in your system more than 30 days?

[Cry Havoc]

I came into the thread on Floyd's side, but after reading that deal Manny's camp suggested and Floyd STILL ducking from this solidifies that he is a pussy. 30 days before the fight and right after a fight is a pretty damn good compromise.

How long does HGH stays in the system? Will it still be in your system more than 30 days?

He'll also give blood during the press conference before the fight... which is a week, I think?

[djohn2oo8]

Mayweather may want to rethink fighting Pacquiao if he's that worried about getting his vagina hurt.

Mayweather is gonna beat the shit out of Paquiao

[Whisky Dog]

Mayweather doesn't beat the shit out of anyone, he out points them. If Pac has the techique and speed to catch him then Floyd is going to taste more leather than at any point in time and his chin will be severly tested. Based on how he's acting that's exactly what it seems he's worried about.

[LakerHater]

The more Manny over-reacts to this the more i wonder what his deal is? What is the difference who takes your blood and how often as long as it is clean??

Makes you kinda wonder if hes been juicing all along!

Beating all those big names? I mean c'mon, hows that lil framed body gonna have that power!! Besides if you've seen him early in his career you'll notice his increase in size over the years!

Kinda Barry Bond-ish!

[TheMACHINE]

Mayweather is gonna beat the shit out of Paquiao

When was the last time Mayweather beated the shit out of anyone? He wins by points, im just not sure how he'll be able to get points when Pacquiao is gonna be pressuring him with his speed and power.

Anyways...i just hope that the Mayweather camp accepts the 3 testing suggestion. That seems more than reasonable.

[dallaskd]

"Pretty Boy Floyd, face me instead on March 13 in Las Vegas and not in some talk show forum or in press releases written for you by people who don't even know me. Face me in a fight where I get to punch back. To Floyd, despite all these accusations, may your Christmas be merry, and I will see you in court soon, too."

Just make it happen floyd..

[760Spursfan]

When was the last time Mayweather beated the shit out of anyone? He wins by points, im just not sure how he'll be able to get points when Pacquiao is gonna be pressuring him with his speed and power.

Anyways...i just hope that the Mayweather camp accepts the 3 testing suggestion. That seems more than reasonable.


Totally agree, pacman has been smashing his opp. and PBF's camp is worried that he will do the same to Mayweather.

[Kermit]

So now, Manny's been caught telling some untruths and Arum is backpedaling. Interesting.

[TheMACHINE]

So now, Manny's been caught telling some untruths and Arum is backpedaling. Interesting.

whats the untruths?

[Kermit]

whats the untruths?

That he couldn't have blood drawn 30 days before the fight because it would weaken him when he was on film getting blood drawn 14 days before the Hatton fight. I'm sure he just forgot.

[Ginobilly]

YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE FUNNY? Manny beats PBF, then comes out positive for marijuana.

[TheMACHINE]

That he couldn't have blood drawn 30 days before the fight because it would weaken him when he was on film getting blood drawn 14 days before the Hatton fight. I'm sure he just forgot.

what was the result of the blood drawn from the Hatton fight?

[I. Hustle]

what was the result of the blood drawn from the Hatton fight?

Hatton being layed out on the floor.







lol jk sort of

[LakerHater]

YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE FUNNY? Manny beats PBF, then comes out positive for marijuana.

Im pretty sure he'll come out positive for something!!
Thats probably why hes opposed to these kinda test!!

[TheMACHINE]

Interesting....

http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-NY-Boxing-Examiner~y2009m12d24-Golden-hypocrites-Nevada-test-sufficient-for-Mosley-not-for-Pacquiao

The hypocrisy of Boxing Banker Richie Rich Schaefer, who only does the bidding of Floyd Mayweather and adviser Al Haymon anyway, has come back to haunt him and the Mayweather camp like my uncle, Jacob Marley ,came back to haunt that miser Scrooge in “A Christmas Carol.”


When it looked like Zab Judah would fight BALCO graduate Sugar Shane Mosley, who has sworn under oath in federal court that he took illegal steroids before a fight with Oscar de la Hoya but was unaware of their illegality, the Judah camp called for drug testing for Shane above and beyond what the Nevada commission requires.


Schaefer’s resounding answer was: No way, Jose!

Here’s part of the Associated Press report on the controversy in 2008:


“One of Judah's managers, Michael Shinefield, said he sent an e-mail two weeks ago to Golden Boy Promotions, which represents Mosley, calling for blood testing for both fighters. Golden Boy chief executive Richard Schaefer said he has not responded to that e-mail, but that Mosley will agree to any tests required by the Nevada Athletic Commission.


"The Nevada commission requires urine testing of fighters immediately after bouts, but does not require blood tests. Drug experts differ over whether blood tests are more effective than urine tests at detecting some performance-enhancing drugs.


"We only do urine tests. Our inspectors collect urine from the fighters on fight night. Our inspectors aren't qualified or licensed to draw blood," Keith Kizer, executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, said in a telephone interview. "If they want to do any other type of test, that's up to them, they're free to do that."

Last year, Mosley acknowledged using steroids before a bout against Oscar De La Hoya in 2003, but said the use was unintentional. Mosley testified in 2003 before the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative grand jury. He never has tested positive for drugs, and has not been charged in the BALCO case.”


The Judah-Mosley bout never took place in Las Vegas but Schaefer’s insistence that the Nevada commission testing was sufficient for admitted steroid user Mosley speaks volumes.

I guess what was sufficient for Mosley is not sufficient for Pacquiao.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL @ Pacquio-needle incident..what a fucking fraud..

It's funny how many people are going to be against Money in this fight..a lot of broken hearts after this fight..

[Cry Havoc]

The idiocy in this thread is astounding.

[TheNextGen]

looks like the tides are turning.....


Pacquiao May Have Destroyed Floyd’s Career
Published by Scoop Malinowski on January 1st, 2010


Without landing a punch, Manny Pacquiao might have destroyed the career of Floyd Mayweather. Reported to be short on money and options, Floyd Mayweather’s career may be in peril. HBO is not going to spend multi-millions for any more of Floyd’s garbage fights. HBO surely cannot be pleased as the network was very very eager and excited to stage Pacquiao-Mayweather I and II.

Everybody in the boxing world should realize Floyd has a horrible bargaining position now. The next rumored handpick Matthew Hatton should realize he can call the shots. Matthew Hatton should know, like everyone knows, Floyd has inflicted irreparable damage to himself and his reputation with his actions over the last few weeks.

Matthew Hatton should be aware of the fact that Floyd and Golden Boy want to use him as a sacrificial lamb, as they seek to try to cash in with Floyd in the U.K. next, because they know Floyd is and never was an attraction, on his own, in the U.S.

Matthew Hatton is holding all the cards actually, as there is no other name welterweight or junior welters based in the U.K. to serve up to Floyd and Golden Boy as a sparring partner for the sparring session Golden Boy and Floyd will try to sell the the U.K. public for no doubt top pound prices, as Golden Boy will want to recoup many of the millions it lost by having to support Floyd’s astonishing (to some) chicken-out of the $40 million-plus payday (or $60 million – don’t forget rematch clauses) which would have come on March 14 for the Pacquiao fight.

Matthew Hatton can really play hardball with Golden Boy and Floyd, if he’s sharp and saavy enough. Or Matthew Hatton could allow himself to be used a cheap sparring partner or punch bag, on the take for whatever kibbles and bits he can get from his masters.

Matthew Hatton should also understand, Floyd really has nowhere else to go. We all saw how scared Floyd is of Shane Mosley. I guarantee Floyd will not going to fight a high-risk like Mosley next. And everyone should know Floyd would never in a million years step in a ring with Paul Williams or Joshua Clottey.

Therefore Matthew Hatton is the carefully selected handpick. If Matthew Hatton is smart and saavy and his own man – and not under the complete control of Golden Boy – he should demand 50-50% parity with Floyd, as Matthew Hatton can say he is the draw in England and since Floyd shamed himself as a coward by ducking Pacquiao, Floyd has to regain his credibility with the public at his own expense and not Matthew Hatton’s expense. But then again, Matthew Hatton might be under complete total control of whatever Golden Boy wants to use him for.

All of the boxing world must know that Floyd Mayweather is not in position to call the shots anymore. He has reported money problems. He has to be worrying about the potentially devastating lawsuit that’s coming. His public approval rating has plummeted – and it was never very high to begin with.

The truth is Richard Schaefer and Oscar are not in any position to make hefty demands on behalf of their diminishing valued asset of Floyd. Conversely, they are going to have to accept whatever they can get. Every potential opponent who is approached by Floyd, Haymon or Schaefer – to be used as a punching bag or cheap sparring partner – is in perfect position to play hardball. And the good news in this is that the harder Golden Boy, Schaefer, Haymon and Floyd find it to take advantage of the dumb, and to cash in on the foolish, the more likely
it will be possible for the Super Bowl of Boxing to take place later this year.

Because by only making crumbs off Floyd, Golden Boy, will eventually turn against their house fighter. Instead of protecting and perpetuating the fraud everyone knows he is, Golden Boy will eventually conclude it must sacrifice Floyd to the wrathful fists of Pacquiao, in order to recoup the multi-millions it has lost by ducking out of March 13.

But then again, there are really no guarantees anymore, as Pacquiao may not be in any charitable mood to do any favors for Floyd, who very possibly could have committed career suicide in late December 2009.

[Cry Havoc]

I wouldn't mind seeing Floyd stripped of his title for ducking a fight. I'm still pissed about this, and the rest of the boxing world is too.

[I. Hustle]

It would be hilarious if Matthew Hatton accepted and pulled a Rocky on Mayweather. Put Ricky in his corner and it would be movie making material.

[TheMACHINE]

I wouldn't mind seeing Floyd stripped of his title for ducking a fight. I'm still pissed about this, and the rest of the boxing world is too.

yah man...who the hell is gonna watch Matthew Hatton-PBF?! Mayweather trying to take on another Junior Wealterweight. Anyone who fights PBF should ask for 50%. lol

[dbreiden83080]

LOL @ Pacquio-needle incident..what a fucking fraud..

It's funny how many people are going to be against Money in this fight..a lot of broken hearts after this fight..

Assuming it happens, i am very confident Floyd will be too technical for Manny..

[dbreiden83080]

Pacquiao, Mayweather agree to mediator

Dan Rafael

With time running out to save a potential March 13 megafight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr., the camps are heading to mediation on Tuesday in an effort to work out their differences.

Mediator Daniel Weinstein will preside over the meeting in Santa Monica, Calif. Weinstein, a retired federal judge, also mediated the acrimonious dispute that kept Top Rank, Pacquiao's promoter, and Golden Boy, which represents Mayweather, from doing fights together for almost two years.

"We're going into mediation," Top Rank chairman Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter, told ESPN.com. "This guy was successful resolving our nutty problem before and hopefully he can be successful this time. He's a guy who is a big fight fan and loves the sport, and I found him last time to be a delight to deal with. Everybody did."

At the time of the previous mediation, the companies had several ongoing lawsuits, including the one at the center of the bad blood: ownership of the promotional rights to Pacquiao, who had signed contracts with both companies before eventually pledging his loyalty to Top Rank.

When the disputes were settled in June 2007, Arum and Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer both credited Weinstein's steady hand for getting them to reach an accord. Under the global settlement, Top Rank retained Pacquiao's promotional rights with Golden Boy receiving a percentage of Top Rank's profit from his future bouts.

The hope is that Weinstein can once again help the sides see their way through what has become an increasingly nasty battle in an effort to finalize the bout between welterweight titlist Pacquiao and Mayweather, the two best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, in a fight many believe will break the pay-per-view record of 2.44 million buys. Mayweather's 2007 fight with Golden Boy president Oscar De La Hoya set the record.

AOL Fanhouse first reported the mediation plans Sunday night.

Top Rank and Golden Boy have agreed on all points on the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight except for one: The protocol for drug testing.

Even though the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which would oversee the bout at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, doesn't require blood testing, Mayweather has insisted on random blood testing. Both sides have already agreed to unlimited random urine testing.

Pacquiao has refused training camp-long random blood testing, agreeing only to three tests, one during the week of the kickoff news conference, which would take place in the next week or so if they finalize the fight, one random test to be conducted no later than 30 days before the fight and a final test in his dressing room after the fight.

Mayweather would be subject to the same testing procedures.

One issue sure to be discussed in front of the mediator is the impact of the defamation lawsuit Pacquiao filed last week in Nevada U.S. District Court against Mayweather Jr., Schaefer, De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and Mayweather Promotions.

In the suit, Pacquiao alleges they made false and defamatory statements and sullied his reputation by accusing him of taking performance-enhancing drugs. Pacquiao denies he has ever used PEDs and has never failed a drug test.

If mediation fails, and the fight does not get made, Arum said he will match Pacquiao with junior middleweight titlist Yuri Foreman, whom he also promotes, on March 20 at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas so Pacquiao could attempt to win a title in a record eighth weight division.

Mayweather could still fight on March 13 at the MGM and potentially face former junior welterweight titlist Paulie Malignaggi.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4794912

[Kermit]

Mediation yields no results.

I learned something today. Golden Boy recieves a percentage of the purse from Pac's fights. Why would you shit all over a cash cow's face? The longer this drags out, the more inclined I am to belive that Money is a pussy.

[TheMACHINE]

Mediation yields no results.

I learned something today. Golden Boy recieves a percentage of the purse from Pac's fights. Why would you shit all over a cash cow's face? The longer this drags out, the more inclined I am to belive that Money is a pussy.

that shit is gay. With this much money, why would someone put a roadblock like this? When boxers dont want to fight, but want to save face, they either price them self out of the fight or ask for too much. Money is to obsessed with his undefeated record.

[TheMACHINE]

Apparantly, Manny was ok to have blood testing 24 days before the fight and right after the fight to prove he wasnt on roids, but PBF wouldnt bend.


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.The richest fight in boxing history is bust.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. would not agree to a compromise on his insistence for Olympic-style drug testing and, as a result, the planned March 13 bout with Manny Pacquiao is officially off, promoter Bob Arum told Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday.

The bout would have been the richest in boxing history and would have guaranteed each fighter at least $25 million, with their take likely soaring over $40 million apiece after pay-per-view sales were counted.

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The fight would have matched the two men who are widely regarded as the best pound-for-pound boxers in the world in a rare No. 1 vs. No. 2 showdown. Pacquiao is No. 1 in the Yahoo! Sports rankings and Mayweather is No. 2.

Mediator Daniel Weinstein, a retired federal judge, was unable to bring the sides to an agreement for the historic bout after two days of negotiations over the drug-testing dispute.

“Manny’s reaction is that he’s very disappointed because he wanted to give the fans this fight,” Pacquiao adviser Mike Koncz, his de facto manager, said by telephone from the Philippines, where he is with Pacquiao. “He is upset his reputation has been tarnished and he wants his fans to know that at some point, you have to stand on principal. He’s walking away from $35 million, $40 million, maybe $50 million on principal.”

Pacquiao last week filed a defamation lawsuit in federal court against Mayweather, his father, Floyd Mayweather Sr., Golden Boy Promotions, Golden Boy president Oscar De La Hoya and CEO Richard Schaefer for alleging he used performance-enhancing drugs. Pacquiao’s suit will go forward.

Top Rank spokesman Lee Samuels read a statement and said the company would make no further comment.

“No deal has been reached,” the Top Rank statement began. “We cannot discuss details. Manny is moving on. It doesn’t appear Mayweather wants to fight Pacquiao.”

Neither Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions, nor Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, could be reached for comment. Ellerbe and Schaefer represent Mayweather.

In a December 22 press release, Mayweather laid out his concerns. “I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level,” Mayweather stated. “I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same.

Arum said he planned to contact Murray Wilson, the manager of World Boxing Association super welterweight champion Yuri Foreman, on Thursday about a potential fight with Pacquiao in March.

Arum said he wants to keep the fight in Las Vegas but the date and venue are still uncertain. He said he will speak to Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones later about putting a Pacquiao-Foreman fight in Cowboys Stadium. Jones made an aggressive bid to land the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight.

Mayweather had been considering a fight with former super lightweight champion Paulie Malignaggi as an alternative to a bout with Pacquiao, though the status of such bout could not be determined.

Koncz said Pacquiao has not agreed to fight Foreman yet and has expressed concern about Foreman’s height. Pacquiao, who began his career as a 106-pounder, is 5-foot-6½ inches. Foreman is 5-11, a half-inch taller than De La Hoya, who is the tallest man Pacquiao has fought.

“Did we reject [a Foreman fight]? No. Did we accept it? No. We’re going to sit down tomorrow, Manny, myself and [attorney Jeng Gacal] and see if we can come up with an alternative opponent. We’ll communicate that to Bob and [trainer] Freddie [Roach] and see what their thoughts are on it.”

Koncz, though, was not surprised that the mediation attempt to salvage the Mayweather fight failed. He had been skeptical throughout whether Mayweather really wanted the fight and said his actions in refusing to bend prove he didn’t want it.

Koncz said Pacquiao had agreed to a compromise in which he’d be blood tested 24 days from the bout, but Mayweather would not budge from his demand for random blood and urine testing up to and including the day before the bout.

“This is no surprise,” Koncz said. “I talk to a lot of people and it’s been my belief all along that the drug testing issue is a façade and a way for Mayweather to get out of the fight.

“After Manny fought [Erik] Morales [in 2005], he attributed the loss to the late blood test he took and I think they came across that. They initially wanted to use this as a way to get under Manny’s skin … but it was also a way he could bow out of the fight.”

[TheMACHINE]

Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s avoid these welterweights at all costs list:

[x] Shane Mosley

[x] Antonio Margarito

[x] Andre Berto

[x] Paul Williams - thank goodness he's gained weight

[x] Miguel Cotto

[x] Joshua Clottey

[x] Manny Pacquiao - [x] start steroid scandal


To do list:

[ ] Call Matthew Hatton

[ ] Ask Juan Manuel Marquez if he wants a rematch

[ ] Retire undefeated

[angelbelow]

Shame this fight wont be going down.

[Kermit]

Floyd Mayweather is a giant bleeding vagina infected with AIDS.