All-Star Panel Picks Kobe Bryant No. 1 Over LeBron James

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Kobe or LeBron? LeBron or Kobe? Trying to settle on the best player in the NBA—Lakers guard Kobe Bryant(notes) or Cavaliers forward LeBron James(notes)—is no easy choice.

But, according to Sporting News’ panel of experts, Bryant is the clear-cut No. 1. Bryant tops SN’s list of the 50 greatest players in the NBA today, as selected by a panel of 107 Hall of Famers, major award winners, executives, current players and coaches and other basketball experts.

Bryant received almost twice as many first-place votes as James, 62 to 34.
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Heat guard Dwyane Wade(notes) was third on the list and received 11 first-place votes. Magic center Dwight Howard(notes) was fourth, and Spurs power forward Tim Duncan(notes) fifth.

Rounding out the top 10: Hornets point guard Chris Paul(notes), Celtics power forward Kevin Garnett(notes), Mavericks power forward Dirk Nowitzki(notes), Nuggets small forward Carmelo Anthony(notes), and Celtics small forward Paul Pierce(notes).

"I think what we’ve seen from Kobe in the last two, three years is that he has become an incredible leader," former Lakers great Magic Johnson said about Bryant. "That was the only thing he had to do that was left on his resume. Before, there was no question that he was the best basketball player in the world, like he is now. He was dominant every night, but he didn’t take on that leadership role. … Now, he is the total package."

SN’s Top 50 breakdown

By team
5: Lakers
4: Celtics, Spurs
3: Hawks, Pistons, Rockets
2: Cavaliers, Grizzlies, Jazz, Magic, Mavericks, Nuggets, Raptors, 76ers, Suns
1: Bulls, Bucks, Clippers, Heat, Hornets, Nets, Pacers, Thunder, Trail Blazers, Wizards
0: Bobcats, Kings, Knicks, Timberwolves, Warriors

By position
Point guard: 11
Shooting guard: 12
Small forward: 11
Power forward: 10
Center: 6

SN’s TOP 50 PLAYERS
1. Kobe Bryant, SG, Lakers
2. LeBron James, SF, Cavaliers
3. Dwyane Wade, SG, Heat
4. Dwight Howard, C, Magic
5. Tim Duncan, PF, Spurs
6. Chris Paul, PG, Hornets
7. Kevin Garnett, PF, Celtics
8. Dirk Nowitzki, PF, Mavericks
9. Carmelo Anthony, SF, Nuggets
10. Paul Pierce, SF, Celtics
11. Steve Nash(notes), PG, Suns
12. Deron Williams(notes), PG, Jazz
13. Tony Parker(notes), PG, Spurs
14. Brandon Roy(notes), SG, Trail Blazers
15. Yao Ming(notes), C, Rockets
16. Shaquille O’Neal(notes), C, Cavaliers
17. Pau Gasol(notes), PF, Lakers
18. Chris Bosh(notes), PF, Raptors
19. Amare Stoudemire, PF, Suns
20. Chauncey Billups(notes), PG, Nuggets
21. Kevin Durant(notes), SF, Thunder
22. Manu Ginobili(notes), SG, Spurs
23. Jason Kidd(notes), PG, Mavericks
24. Tracy McGrady(notes), SG, Rockets
25. Joe Johnson(notes), SG, Hawks
26. Derrick Rose(notes), PG, Bulls
27. Ray Allen(notes), SG, Celtics
28. Gilbert Arenas(notes), PG, Wizards
29. Ron Artest(notes), SF, Lakers
30. Vince Carter(notes), SG, Magic
31. Danny Granger(notes), SF, Pacers
32. Baron Davis(notes), PG, Clippers
33. Devin Harris(notes), PG, Nets
34. Ben Gordon(notes), SG, Pistons
35. Al Horford(notes), C, Hawks
36. Carlos Boozer(notes), PF, Jazz
37. Nene, C, Nuggets
38. Rajon Rondo(notes), PG, Celtics
39. Andre Iguodala(notes), SG, 76ers
40. Josh Smith(notes), PF, Hawks
41. Rudy Gay(notes), SF, Grizzlies
42. Hedo Turkoglu(notes), SF, Raptors
43. Lamar Odom(notes), SF, Lakers
44. Shane Battier(notes), SF, Rockets
45. Elton Brand(notes), PF, 76ers
46. Richard Jefferson(notes), SF, Spurs
47. O.J. Mayo(notes), SG, Grizzlies
48. Charlie Villanueva(notes), PF, Pistons
49. Michael Redd(notes), SG, Bucks
50. Andrew Bynum(notes), C, Lakers

SN’s PANEL
Gene Banks
Rick Barry
Elgin Baylor
Butch Beard
Walt Bellamy
Travis Best
Otis Birdsong
Muggsy Bogues
Jeff Bower
Bill Bradley
Terrell Brandon
Allan Bristow
Dee Brown(notes)
Hubie Brown
Mike Brown
P.J. Brown(notes)
Marcus Camby(notes)
Rick Carlisle
Bill Cartwright
Tyson Chandler(notes)
Phil Chenier
Doug Christie(notes)
Archie Clark
Jim Cleamons
Wayne Cooper
Bob Cousy
Dave Cowens
Mike D’Antoni
Don Delaney
Joe Dumars
Mike Dunleavy
Mark Eaton
Craig Ehlo
Mario Elie
Gar Forman
Harry Gallatin
Dick Garmaker
Mike Gminski
Cliff Hagan
John Hammond
Tim Hardaway
Tom Heinsohn
Rod Higgins
Bob Hill
Lionel Hollins
Bob Houbregs
Bailey Howell
Eddie Johnson
Marques Johnson
Bobby Jones(notes)
George Karl
Steve Kerr
Bob Kurland
Frank Layden
Tim Legler
Ronnie Lester
Earl Lloyd
Donyell Marshall(notes)
Bob McAdoo
Rodney McCray
Dick McGuire
Brad Miller(notes)
Earl Monroe
Daryl Morey
David Morway
Tracy Murray
Tom Nissalke
Norm Nixon
Kevin O’Connor
Will Perdue
Geoff Petrie
Bob Pettit
Randy Pfund
Scot Pollard(notes)
Gregg Popovich
Kevin Pritchard
Jack Ramsay
Frank Ramsey
Arnie Risen
Oscar Robertson
Scotty Robertson
Jimmy Rodgers
John Salley
Flip Saunders
Charlie Scott
Bill Sharman
Purvis Short
Jim Spanarkel
Steve Stipanovich
Ed Stefanski
Rod Thorn
Jay Triano
Kelly Tripucka
Jack Twyman
Dick Van Arsdale
Kiki Vandeweghe
Stan Van Gundy
Dick Vitale
Chet Walker
Bobby Wanzer
Mark Warkentien
Slick Watts
Bill Wennington
Jerry West
Lenny Wilkens
Pat Williams
Brian Winters

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[ginobili's bald spot]

Here comes the bleeding butthole brigade to whine all over the thread.

[mavs>spurs2]

dirk and melo are both better than garnett, cp3 is better than duncan and maybe dwight

[cobbler]

I am feeling a lot of blind hatred headed this threads way. :toast

[mavs>spurs2]

Oh, and Wade/Lebron > Kobe

[21_Blessings]

Why the fuck is Shaq in the top 20?

[Findog]

I think LeBron is more physically skilled than Kobe, and at 7 years younger, his time is coming. They're basically 1A and 1B at this point. Because he's younger, he can drive to the basket more while Kobe has to pick his spots. But Kobe is a threat to score from anywhere on the court and must be defended the entire court, whereas LeBron doesn't have the shooting range that Kobe does.

Hmm, as for my top ten:

Top Three, in no particular order: Kobe, Bron, Wade
Next Group, no particular order: Dirk, Duncan, CP3, Carmelo, Dwight

Top 8 is easy enough to determine, but there's about 5 or 6 guys who could fit the bill to round out the 2 spots left in the top 10.

[Findog]

16. Shaquille O’Neal(notes), C, Cavaliers
19. Amare Stoudemire, PF, Suns
24. Tracy McGrady(notes), SG, Rockets
28. Gilbert Arenas(notes), PG, Wizards
32. Baron Davis(notes), PG, Clippers
33. Devin Harris(notes), PG, Nets
38. Rajon Rondo(notes), PG, Celtics
45. Elton Brand(notes), PF, 76ers
48. Charlie Villanueva(notes), PF, Pistons

Huh? If this is the case, these guys are way overrated.

[21_Blessings]

What does "physically skilled" even mean Findog? Yeah he's bigger and more athletic - that's it. Gifted is the word you're looking for.

At Lebron's age Kobe already had a fleshed out post-game and one of the best pull up mid-range jumpers in the league. Lebron has alot of catching up to do if he wants to be playing at a high level in his 30s like Kobe is currently doing. His physical gifts won't beat age.

[Findog]

What does "physically skilled" even mean Findog? Yeah he's bigger and more athletic - that's it. Gifted is the word you're looking for.

At Lebron's age Kobe already had a fleshed out post-game and one of the best pull up mid-range jumpers in the league. Lebron has alot of catching up to do if he wants to be playing at a high level in his 30s like Kobe is currently doing. His physical gifts won't beat age.

I agree that LeBron is getting by on his physical gifts more than polish at this point, which is why I have to give the nod to Kobe for now. His basketball smarts will get better as his physical skills decline...both Jordan and now Kobe were able to compensate for their loss of athleticism by expanding their games, but I agree that he needs to develop the same kind of shooting range Kobe has to be at the same level in his thirties. Kobe has been playing starter's minutes since his second year in the league, and he has definitely slowed down somewhat physically. But he is the best player in the league because of his basketball IQ, work ethic and mastering his craft/skills.

[redzero]

The Real Top Five
1.) LeBron James
2.) Dwyane Wade
3.) Kobe Bryant
4.) Chris Paul
5.) Dwight Howard

People need to stop living in the past.

[Findog]

The Real Top Five
1.) LeBron James
2.) Dwyane Wade
3.) Kobe Bryant
4.) Chris Paul
5.) Dwight Howard

People need to stop living in the past.

Howard and Paul are top 10, not top 5, and Kobe is the best player in the league, just a hair above LBJ and Wade. Not by a wide margin, but I think it's true.

[21_Blessings]

The Real Top Five

2.) Dwyane Wade


People need to stop living in the past.

:lol 43% shooting and his team sucks.

[redzero]

Howard and Paul are top 10, not top 5, and Kobe is the best player in the league, just a hair above LBJ and Wade. Not by a wide margin, but I think it's true.

Name two players not on my list who are better than Chris Paul (and, I guess, Dwight Howard).

[redzero]

:lol 43% shooting and his team sucks.

Dwyane Wade Career FG% - .481
Kobe Bryant Career FG% - .455

I know you aren't talking about field goal percentages.

[21_Blessings]

But seriously claiming Lebron is better than Kobe would be like saying Karl Malone was better than Jordan during his second three-peat.

[redzero]

But seriously claiming Lebron is better than Kobe would be like saying Karl Malone was better than Jordan during his second three-peat.

Nope, it's just blatantly obvious that LeBron is better than Kobe.

[Findog]

Name two players not on my list who are better than Chris Paul (and, I guess, Dwight Howard).

Tim Duncan, Carmelo Anthony and Dirk Nowitzki.

CP3: You could argue that PG is a more important position than PF or SF, and it's better to have a PG like Paul than a big, but I think those 3 guys have more of an impact on a game than Paul does. I think Paul is a great player but is slightly overrated. I see him being put in the category of Wade, LeBron and Kobe when he's done nothing to deserve that status. He had a competent supporting cast two years ago and HCA, and couldn't get out of the second round. The 3 guys I mentioned have all gone further with a decent supporting cast. And if you misconstrue this as me putting them above Paul based on career achievements, Dirk is playing the best ball of his career right now and so is Carmelo. And if I'm a coach and not a GM, give me a 32-yr-old Duncan over Paul right now too.

Howard: I think he's another top 10 guy that has done nothing to earn top 5 status. He's never developed a post-game, his basketball IQ leaves a lot to be desired (blocking shots into the 3rd row instead of trying to control or tip them to teammates) and his defense is a bit overrated as well. If his brain and work ethic ever catches up to his physical gifts, it's lights out for the rest of the league. I think the Magic got to the Finals last year because they were a stacked team talent-wise, and his rep was inflated a bit after he destroyed Ilgauskas and Varejao. Great player, but not a top 5 player.

[Findog]

Nope, it's just blatantly obvious that LeBron is better than Kobe.

The hell it is.

[21_Blessings]

Dwyane Wade Career FG% - .481
Kobe Bryant Career FG% - .455
.

Kobe Bryant career eFG% .488

Dwyane Wade career eFG% .494

[21_Blessings]

Nope, it's just blatantly obvious that LeBron is better than Kobe.

Maybe to a rube like yourself that doesn't fully understand how basketball is played.

[redzero]

Tim Duncan,

Stop living in the past. At this point in their careers, Paul is clearly better than Duncan.


Carmelo Anthony

The only thing Carmelo has over Paul is shooting. He can't control the flow of an offense like an elite player is capable of, an he didn't do anything until Billups got to Denver.


and Dirk Nowitzki.

Nope. Come on, be serious here.


Kobe Bryant career eFG% .488

Dwyane Wade career eFG% .494

Okay, .494% > .488%.

[Findog]

I can see putting CP3 and Howard over Dirk and Duncan on a Top 50 trade value list based on the fact that they're so much younger, but today? I'd rather have Dirk/Duncan than CP3/Howard.

[redzero]

I can see putting CP3 and Howard over Dirk and Duncan on a Top 50 trade value list based on the fact that they're so much younger, but today? I'd rather have Dirk/Duncan than CP3/Howard.

You would put the future of your frachise on two aging players, past their primes (although Dirk is playing exceptionally well right now)?

[21_Blessings]

Serious talk: Wade is proving he can't play efficiently from the perimeter. He's jacking threes/20foot jumpers like crazy. When he's not throwing his body at the rim with the refs gifting him calls then he's not nearly as effective. It's only going to get worse for him as he gets older.





Okay, .494% > .488%.


No. This season reigning finals MVP Kobe 49% > 1st round exit fodder Wade 42.9%

:lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt: > :lobt:

[Findog]

Stop living in the past. At this point in their careers, Paul is clearly better than Duncan.


No, he is not.


The only thing Carmelo has over Paul is shooting. He can't control the flow of an offense like an elite player is capable of, an he didn't do anything until Billups got to Denver.

Carmelo is a two-way player now. Can you seriously argue that Paul is a good defensive player? And this isn't about what he did before Billups got to Denver, it's about RIGHT NOW.



Nope. Come on, be serious here.

I'm dead serious. I'm not going on past achievements, although Dirk has taken a team with Josh Howard and Jason Terry as his backup to the Finals, while CP3 couldn't get David West, Tyson Chandler and Peja past the 2nd round with HCA. Dirk is playing the best ball of his career right now. Anybody who actually watches the games would recognize this. And if you try to tell me he doesn't play any defense, then you're just not paying attention. He's not Bill Russell, but he's never out of position, his rotations and awareness are good, and he's not a liability. Combine that with the fact that he is a much better facilitator and sees the floor better, and he's a better player now than he was in 2006 when he got the Mavs to the Finals, or in 2007 when he was given the MVP award. Golden State copied the Houston Rockets' strategy of 2005, which was basically force him to put the ball on the floor and send the double team from different spaces on the floor and with different players, so he'd never know when and where it was coming from. You can't do that now. The Spurs tried the Golden State strategy in the first round last year and it didn't work. He's one of the more underrated players in the League, considering his playoff failures count against him while LeBron's and CP3's don't.

[Findog]

You would put the future of your frachise on two aging players, past their primes (although Dirk is playing exceptionally well right now)?

Did you not read that post? If I'm a GM, give me Paul or Howard. If I'm a coach for the 09/10 season, give me Dirk and Duncan.

[redzero]

Serious talk: Wade is proving he can't play efficiently from the perimeter. He's jacking threes/20foot jumpers like crazy. When he's not throwing his body at the rim with the refs gifting him calls then he's not nearly as effective. It's only going to get worse for him as he gets older.




No. This season reigning finals MVP Kobe 49% > 1st round exit fodder Wade 42.9%

:lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt: > :lobt:

Robert Horry > Michael Jordan

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt: > :lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

Also, I love the Finals MVP mention. Was Paul Pierce better than Kobe Bryant after the 2008 Finals?

[redzero]

Did you not read that post? If I'm a GM, give me Paul or Howard. If I'm a coach for the 09/10 season, give me Dirk and Duncan.

Why? Neither Dirk nor Duncan are better than Paul and Howard AT THIS POINT IN THEIR CAREERS.

[21_Blessings]

Robert Horry > Michael Jordan

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt: > :lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

So you're comparing Kobe > Wade to Horry > Jordan. Look how dumb you are!


Also, I love the Finals MVP mention. Was Paul Pierce better than Kobe Bryant after the 2008 Finals?

No because people can just watch the two and play see who the better player is.

The vast majority of sane people understand and acknowledge that Kobe > Wade, Kobe > Pierce

[Findog]

Why? Neither Dirk nor Duncan are better than Paul and Howard AT THIS POINT IN THEIR CAREERS.

Well, that's where I differ from you, because I clearly think they are.

[redzero]

Well, that's where I differ from you, because I clearly think they are.

And why do you think that, when it clearly isn't true? What makes Dirk and Timmy better than Paul and Howard at this point in their careers?

Hell, going back to 2007-2008, why would say that?


So you're comparing Kobe > Wade to Horry > Jordan. Look how dumb you are!

No, I'm just trying to show that championships do not make one player better than another.

[21_Blessings]

To redzero and other would be Witnesses: Have you seen Kobe's low post-game lately?



No, I'm just trying to show that championships do not make one player better than another.

And you failed miserably with your non sequitur


But, according to Sporting News’ panel of experts, Bryant is the clear-cut No. 1. Bryant tops SN’s list of the 50 greatest players in the NBA today, as selected by a panel of 107 Hall of Famers, major award winners, executives, current players and coaches and other basketball experts.

There's a reason the vote wasn't even close. It's not like Kobe is the protagonist here. They're voting him on basketball skill.

This King James stuff is more like an idea that we're all waiting for. Yet it every season it never comes. Maybe it'll come after Kobe retires. :)

[ezau]

Robert Horry > Michael Jordan

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt: > :lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

Also, I love the Finals MVP mention. Was Paul Pierce better than Kobe Bryant after the 2008 Finals?

And in that Finals series, Kobe willed his team to win and beat the crap out of the Cs. :lol

[redzero]

To redzero and other would be Witnesses: Have you seen Kobe's low post-game lately?



There's a reason the vote wasn't even close. It's not like Kobe is the protagonist here. They're voting him on basketball skill.

This King James stuff is more like an idea that we're all waiting for. Yet it every season it never comes. Maybe it'll come after Kobe retires. :)

PPG:
LeBron: 28.2
Kobe: 28.8

RPG:
LeBron: 6.8
Kobe: 5.3

APG:
LeBron: 8.1
Kobe: 4.0

FG%:
LeBron: .518
Kobe: .489

PER:
LeBron: 31.0
Kobe: 25.8

Yeah, that low post game has helped in score a whopping .6 points more than LeBron on worse shooting percentages. And Kobe's not even in the top 20 in eFG%. I guess Kobe's better skill doesn't actually translate into him playing better.

[KidCongo]

Findog it's mid range consistency rather than shooting range I think you're talking about.

[VivaPopovich]

Sounds right. For now. Too bad Wade will go down the path of Anfernee Hardaway.

[sonic21]

Bynum is too high on the list

[KSeal]

Bynum is too high on the list

:lol Nene is number 37.

Bynum>>>Nene

[Brazil]

funny list:

Nash > DW and TP
Arenas in the top 30 really ?
KG > Dirk, Anthony..
Speaking about overated Pierce 10?
Bosh is way too low
Nene is damn high I like him but come on
etc..

[sonic21]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Dirk
5. Dwight Howard
6. Tim Duncan
7. Chris Paul
8. Tony
9. Manu
10. Dick

no homer

[sonic21]

Bynum>>>Nene

i watched the lakers-nuggets serie, can't agree there :toast

[KSeal]

i watched the lakers-nuggets serie, can't agree there :toast

Last year Bynum was an absolute mess coming back from his knee injury. This year Bynum is better then Nene, no doubt :toast

:lmao Dick at 10.

[Findog]

And why do you think that, when it clearly isn't true?

That's your infantile opinion that it isn't true.


What makes Dirk and Timmy better than Paul and Howard at this point in their careers?

It's self-evident when you watch them play. I have a hard time putting Chris Paul in the Top 5 players in the league when he gets locked down by Dahntay Jones and gets outplayed by Chauncey Billups. If you want to go back to 07-08, Dirk has gone just as far in the playoffs as Paul has, and he was just as magnificent as Paul was in that first-round series when New Orleans beat Dallas, but the 08 Hornets were a much better team than the 08 Mavs. And I have a hard time putting Dwight Howard ahead of Tim Duncan when he has no low-post game to speak of and has nowhere near the basketball IQ that Duncan has.

[Culburn369]

Christ, what a mess after Bryant & James.

[Findog]

Christ, what a mess after Bryant & James.

Wade is easily #3.

[ambchang]

Kobe's best basketball skill is to refuse playing for a small market like Charlotte, force a trade to a franchise with a glorious past and great destination for free agents, get one of the 10 best center to win 3 rings for him, force said center out, have his team suck for 3 years, and then somehow, miraculously, get an all-star center for nothing.

For some strange reasons, Kobe's leadership skills sucked when he had horrible teammates, and then suddenly, miraculously, his leadership skills became great when his GM got him all-star caliber teammates.

Stupid analysts are stupid. They just like going off on extremes and attribute a team's success and failures onto one single player.

[Culburn369]

I don't buy his game, Fin. He's a lucky stiff, a good time Charley, a straw dog.

[Culburn369]

Kobe's best basketball skill is to refuse playing for a small market like Charlotte, force a trade to a franchise with a glorious past and great destination for free agents, get one of the 10 best center to win 3 rings for him, force said center out, have his team suck for 3 years, and then somehow, miraculously, get an all-star center for nothing.

For some strange reasons, Kobe's leadership skills sucked when he had horrible teammates, and then suddenly, miraculously, his leadership skills became great when his GM got him all-star caliber teammates.

Stupid analysts are stupid. They just like going off on extremes and attribute a team's success and failures onto one single player.

Oh, dem grapes is sour.

[Findog]

Oh, dem grapes is sour.

:lol

Kobe's greatness can't be denied.

[Findog]

I don't buy his game, Fin. He's a lucky stiff, a good time Charley, a straw dog.

As a Mavs fan, I have to respect his game, although I can't stand him.

[Culburn369]

As a Mavs fan, I have to respect his game, although I can't stand him.

wtf is his game? Sure, he co-opted that ring, but, he's been in the winds ever since.

[Findog]

wtf is his game? Sure, he co-opted that ring, but, he's been in the winds ever since.

He was hurt for two years after the title. I think he's back to the level he played at in 2006. His outside shooting is better than he's given credit for, he's a very good defender, and he is relentless in driving to the basket. He'll probably shorten his career that way, but he made Dallas look silly.

[21_Blessings]

He was hurt for two years after the title. I think he's back to the level he played at in 2006. His outside shooting is better than he's given credit for, he's a very good defender, and he is relentless in driving to the basket. He'll probably shorten his career that way, but he made Dallas look silly.

He was playing like #3 last season...but not this year. Wade's been chucking all season. Not driving like he used too. On pace to smash his 3pa career high despite shooting horribly.

[Culburn369]

& he's baiting & cursing the refs repeatedly.

[Allanon]

LeBron 2008-2009 ECF > Kobe
The Cavs choking in the ECF hearkens back to Kobe's 2008 blowout loss to the Celtics.

Kobe 2009 Finals - present >>> LeBron

Winning the championship as a great player and team leader and then adding a post game over the summer pretty much killed the comparison.

And apologies to you Laker fellows but I think DWade is a legit Top 5 player... not as good as he was in 2009 so it's a toss up between him and Melo.

[21_Blessings]

LeBron 2008-2009 ECF > Kobe

The series he lost? 09 WCF Kobe took the Nuggets to some back water Colorado hotel and went to town.

[Culburn369]

The series he lost? 09 WCF Kobe took the Nuggets to some back water Colorado hotel and went to town.

But, Kobe required that little pissant Nugget to trip him first. Then, went to town.:lol

[Allanon]

The series he lost? 09 WCF Kobe took the Nuggets to some back water Colorado hotel and went to town.

Nah, prior to the series LeBron lost to the Magic. LeBron had swept both the Pistons and the Hawks and looked like he was on his way to the Finals without breaking a sweat.

Not even making the Finals with a 66 win team automatically puts LeBron behind Kobe. People say that 66 win team was shitty...I say that 66 win team choked against a Magic team the Lakers did dirty with 4-1.

Kobe adding a 4th championship is another point for Kobe.

Then Kobe coming back with a refined post game makes a Kobe/Lebron comparison laughable at this point since LeBron still can't play the post.

[redzero]

That's your infantile opinion that it isn't true.



It's self-evident when you watch them play. I have a hard time putting Chris Paul in the Top 5 players in the league when he gets locked down by Dahntay Jones and gets outplayed by Chauncey Billups. If you want to go back to 07-08, Dirk has gone just as far in the playoffs as Paul has, and he was just as magnificent as Paul was in that first-round series when New Orleans beat Dallas, but the 08 Hornets were a much better team than the 08 Mavs. And I have a hard time putting Dwight Howard ahead of Tim Duncan when he has no low-post game to speak of and has nowhere near the basketball IQ that Duncan has.

Oh, please. Paul is a much more effective offensive player than Dirk, and if you actually want to use a single playoff series to judge a player by, the 07 playoffs immediately come to mind.

Paul has led the league in assists and steals the last two seasons. He was second in offensive ratings and second in offensive win shares last season. Howard is a better defender, blocker, and rebounder than Dirk.

You need to stop living in the past. Dirk is not better than Paul or Howard, and Duncan isn't better than Paul (Dwight is debatable, I guess).

[Killakobe81]

I can see putting CP3 and Howard over Dirk and Duncan on a Top 50 trade value list based on the fact that they're so much younger, but today? I'd rather have Dirk/Duncan than CP3/Howard.

I agree ...
Lebron is great but NOT better than Kobe at LEAST NOT yet ...
Wade is great and in some ways closer to Kobe than Lebron ...
Duncan is STILL better than Howard ...

[redzero]

The series he lost? 09 WCF Kobe took the Nuggets to some back water Colorado hotel and went to town.

The reason Kobe beat the Magic:

http://newjackswinger.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/andrew-bynum-0022.jpg

http://blacksportsonline.com/index/pau%20gasol.jpg

http://gossip.whyfame.com/files/2009/09/lamar_odom.jpg

It wasn't because he played better than LeBron did (he didn't).

[Findog]

Oh, please. Paul is a much more effective offensive player than Dirk, and if you actually want to use a single playoff series to judge a player by, the 07 playoffs immediately come to mind.

Why would you cherrypick Golden State 2 years ago? Should I cherrypick the most recent example of CP3 getting locked down by some guy named Dahntay Jones and getting thoroughly outplayed by Chauncey Billups?


Paul has led the league in assists and steals the last two seasons.

Duh, he's a PG.


Howard is a better defender, blocker, and rebounder than Dirk.

Not a better player though.


You need to stop living in the past. Dirk is not better than Paul or Howard, and Duncan isn't better than Paul (Dwight is debatable, I guess).

I'm not. Dirk/Duncan > Paul/Howard. In 2011, what you say will most likely be true, but not now.

[Killakobe81]

PPG:
LeBron: 28.2
Kobe: 28.8

RPG:
LeBron: 6.8
Kobe: 5.3

APG:
LeBron: 8.1
Kobe: 4.0

FG%:
LeBron: .518
Kobe: .489

PER:
LeBron: 31.0
Kobe: 25.8

Yeah, that low post game has helped in score a whopping .6 points more than LeBron on worse shooting percentages. And Kobe's not even in the top 20 in eFG%. I guess Kobe's better skill doesn't actually translate into him playing better.

OK, Hollinger ...so when the stats HAD Bynum over TIm duncan to start the season you bought that too?

[Findog]

Is that dumbass really putting up a picture of Andrew Bynum as one of the reasons LA beat Orlando? Bynum was fucking horrible in the playoffs last year.

[Killakobe81]

Redzero must be on that "scarecrow" stuff ...Only place RIGHT now I take Lebron over Kobe is on my fantasy team ...2 years from now I will gladly agree with you right now Kobe is still the best ...

[redzero]

Why would you cherrypick Golden State 2 years ago? Should I cherrypick the most recent example of CP3 getting locked down by some guy named Dahntay Jones and getting thoroughly outplayed by Chauncey Billups?

Why would you even bring that up in the first place.



Duh, he's a PG.


Oh, I didn't realize being a point guard automatically makes one lead the league in assists in steals.




Not a better player though.


Sure, if one only takes offense into account.


I'm not. Dirk/Duncan > Paul/Howard. In 2011, what you say will most likely be true, but not now.

No, what I say is true right now.


OK, Hollinger ...so when the stats HAD Bynum over TIm duncan to start the season you bought that too?

I was responding to the claim that Kobe has been playing better than LeBron this season. Did Bynum have better stats than Timmy for the last 3 years, like LeBron has over Kobe?


Is that dumbass really putting up a picture of Andrew Bynum as one of the reasons LA beat Orlando? Bynum was fucking horrible in the playoffs last year.

Bynum guarded Dwight like he was supposed to. Who did the Cavs have to stop Dwight? No one.

[4chan]

How dare all you faggots talk down upon the only thing saving the Hornets from moving to Des Moines, Iowa.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-_7X7DxoU-Q/SRj7A9fj9KI/AAAAAAAAADM/kBw1qxxKtzU/s320/fuuu-.png

[4chan]

>Dwight Howard #4
>been in the league 6 years
>still hasn't developed 1 post move


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9342/1255929659221.jpg

[redzero]

^

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e0/Hurrdurrgraph.png

[Findog]

Gasol is the guy who should get credit for checking Howard so effectively, not Bynum. The fact that Howard's effectiveness on offense was mitigated by Pau Gasol tells you all you need to know. The key to beating Orlando is to stay home on their shooters and let Dwight Howard do whatever he wants against a single defender. You can't do that with Duncan, and you certainly couldn't do it against a guy like Hakeem in his prime. They would destroy you. Howard is not the kind of guy who can take advantage of one-on-one and score 40 points.

[redzero]

Gasol is the guy who should get credit for checking Howard so effectively, not Bynum. The fact that Howard's effectiveness on offense was mitigated by Pau Gasol tells you all you need to know. The key to beating Orlando is to stay home on their shooters and let Dwight Howard do whatever he wants against a single defender. You can't do that with Duncan, and you certainly couldn't do it against a guy like Hakeem in his prime. They would destroy you. Howard is not the kind of guy who can take advantage of one-on-one and score 40 points.

Gasol and Bynum helped contain Howard, and again, LeBron had neither big when he faced the Magic in the ECF.

[Findog]

Oh, I didn't realize being a point guard automatically makes one lead the league in assists in steals.

It's an inexact science comparing wing/guards like CP3 to bigs like Dirk. They have different responsibilities on the court. Why you would bring up the fact that CP3 gets way more assists than Dirk makes no sense to me. Of course he does.That's not evidence of why he might be a better player than Dirk. I think Dirk has more of an impact on a game than CP3. I think Kobe has more of an impact on a game than a guy like Howard or Duncan at this stage of his career.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'd take Lebron over Kobe without much hesitation, but I don't have a problem with somebody picking Kobe..the rest of that list is beyond horrible though, and continues to kill the theory that the opinions of former players and coaches means much IMO..actual arguments with facts and evidence>>>random opinions..

[redzero]

It's an inexact science comparing wing/guards like CP3 to bigs like Dirk. They have different responsibilities on the court. Why you would bring up the fact that CP3 gets way more assists than Dirk makes no sense to me. Of course he does.That's not evidence of why he might be a better player than Dirk. I think Dirk has more of an impact on a game than CP3. I think Kobe has more of an impact on a game than a guy like Howard or Duncan at this stage of his career.

Did I state that Paul having more assists than Dirk makes him better? No. Paul is the best at what he does, and from a statistical point of view, he clearly has more of an impact on the game than Dirk does.

[Udokafan05]

I disregarded the list when i saw Tim Legler was on the panel.

[Culburn369]

I disregarded the list when i saw Tim Legler was on the panel.

Udo, with the goods.

[redzero]

Udo, with the goods.

http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/images/espnpicks.jpg

He seems like a pretty smart guy.

[duhoh]

PPG:
LeBron: 28.2
Kobe: 28.8

RPG:
LeBron: 6.8
Kobe: 5.3

APG:
LeBron: 8.1
Kobe: 4.0

FG%:
LeBron: .518
Kobe: .489

PER:
LeBron: 31.0
Kobe: 25.8

Yeah, that low post game has helped in score a whopping .6 points more than LeBron on worse shooting percentages. And Kobe's not even in the top 20 in eFG%. I guess Kobe's better skill doesn't actually translate into him playing better.

put LeBroom in a stacked team like LA. All of his numbers will drop. Look at Spurs and Celtics stats. Rarely in these squads have guys averaging over 22 PPG.

LeBron has to do so much more than Kobe for his team. heck in 05-06 kobe was averaging 35 PPG, when that squad featured smush parker, kwame brown, and Luke Walton as starters.

Right now LeBron is LeBroom until he can prove otherwise. he isn't consistent from the perimeter or FT, and the only thing he is good at is running the fast break. he's nearly unstoppable on a break.

I am waiting to see LeBron become the best player in the league. I have seen time, and time again when Kobe took complete control of games that even featured elite defenders on him (bowen, battier, and sometimes artest),while I vividly remember the CLE vs HOU, where they completely shut down LeBron. Please let me know when LeBron gets to Kobe's level in that regard. I REALLY want to see another guy dominate like that for the next several years. It's frickin awesome.

[duhoh]

Oh, please. Paul is a much more effective offensive player than Dirk, and if you actually want to use a single playoff series to judge a player by, the 07 playoffs immediately come to mind.

Paul has led the league in assists and steals the last two seasons. He was second in offensive ratings and second in offensive win shares last season. Howard is a better defender, blocker, and rebounder than Dirk.

You need to stop living in the past. Dirk is not better than Paul or Howard, and Duncan isn't better than Paul (Dwight is debatable, I guess).

Dirk isn't as effective as Paul? come on man. that's homerism at the peak. Dirk is an offensive machine.

121-63 never happened to Dirk.

[redzero]

put LeBroom in a stacked team like LA. All of his numbers will drop. Look at Spurs and Celtics stats. Rarely in these squads have guys averaging over 22 PPG.

LeBron has to do so much more than Kobe for his team. heck in 05-06 kobe was averaging 35 PPG, when that squad featured smush parker, kwame brown, and Luke Walton as starters.

Right now LeBron is LeBroom until he can prove otherwise. he isn't consistent from the perimeter or FT, and the only thing he is good at is running the fast break. he's nearly unstoppable on a break.

I am waiting to see LeBron become the best player in the league. I have seen time, and time again when Kobe took complete control of games that even featured elite defenders on him (bowen, battier, and sometimes artest),while I vividly remember the CLE vs HOU, where they completely shut down LeBron. Please let me know when LeBron gets to Kobe's level in that regard. I REALLY want to see another guy dominate like that for the next several years. It's frickin awesome.

Cool assumption, bro.

Also, I could have sworn that Kobe takes more shots than LeBron does. Oh, and LeBron is shooting far better from the 3 than Kobe is.

[IronMexican]

I've thought LeBron has been better than Kobe over the last year. But this season? I really do think that Kobe has been better than LeBron. I am usually Kobe's biggest critic, but he's been very good this season/

[Baseline]

Dwyane Wade Career FG% - .481
Kobe Bryant Career FG% - .455

I know you aren't talking about field goal percentages.

Exactly, RedZero. Well stated. And Bryant has played with either Shaquille or Gasol for 75% of his career, yet he still can't shoot any better than 45.5%. And even the 45.5% has been helped by getting bailed out of numerous bad shots by the inevitable whistle that comes with being an anointed one, i.e. a Laker.

The truth is that if Bryant played for any other team than LA, NY, or Chicago, he would be spoken of no higher than a Vince Carter.

The best thing Bryant has ever done as a pro is force the trade from Charlotte when he was drafted. He actually refused to play there, and this is before he ever put on an NBA uniform. So his sense of entitlement has been there all along. How lovely. If he wasn't a Laker, absloutely nobody would care.

To me he's a guy who scores a lot of points because he shoots a ton and gets every whistle. Big whoop.

[Culburn369]

Oh, dem grapes are sour.

[duhoh]

Exactly, RedZero. Well stated. And Bryant has played with either Shaquille or Gasol for 75% of his career, yet he still can't shoot any better than 45.5%. And even the 45.5% has been helped by getting bailed out of numerous bad shots by the inevitable whistle that comes with being an anointed one, i.e. a Laker.

The truth is that if Bryant played for any other team than LA, NY, or Chicago, he would be spoken of no higher than a Vince Carter.

The best thing Bryant has ever done as a pro is force the trade from Charlotte when he was drafted. He actually refused to play there, and this is before he ever put on an NBA uniform. So his sense of entitlement has been there all along. How lovely. If he wasn't a Laker, absloutely nobody would care.

To me he's a guy who scores a lot of points because he shoots a ton and gets every whistle. Big whoop.

ok, but what happens if Duncan was drafted by Boston?

[Culburn369]

http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/images/espnpicks.jpg

He seems like a pretty smart guy.

Even a blind squirrel can throw a grape into the bathtub.

[HarlemHeat37]

Seriously though..you guys need to look at that list and think about how credible it is for a second..most of those rankings are outrageous..

[redzero]

Dirk isn't as effective as Paul? come on man. that's homerism at the peak. Dirk is an offensive machine.

121-63 never happened to Dirk.

And Paul never lost to an inferior team in the first round after posting a 67-15 record, and winning the MVP.

Okay, time to use cold, hard facts.

From 08-09:

FG%
Paul: .503
Nowitzki: .479

TS%
Paul: .599
Nowitzki: .564

eFG%
Paul: .528
Nowitzki: .498

Offensive Rating
Paul: 124.4
Nowitzki:

Defensive Rating
Paul: 103.1
Nowitzki:

Offensive Win Shares
Paul: 13.3
Nowitzki: 7.5

Defensive Win Shares
Paul: 5.0
Nowitzki:

Win Shares
Paul: 18.3
Nowitzki: 10.9

Sorry, I couldn't find a few of Dirk's stats on the league leaders page.

Clearly, Findog lives in a bizarro world where having less of an impact on the game makes one better. But then again, facts don't matter, right?

[Killakobe81]

The thing that is funny that redzero, baseline ...feel that they know more than educated basketball experts that evaluate basketball for a living ...granted I know the media sucks but I trust explayer and GM's over inetrnet fan-site expert ...I notice you dont make those assertions about the place of your favorite players (baseline/redzero) just the guys you don't like ...but it's Ok Kobe doesnt need your validation when his peers and the guys in the league and that played have called him the best ...hey even Lil Wayne knows!! LOL

[Findog]

And Paul never lost to an inferior team in the first round after posting a 67-15 record, and winning the MVP.

Dirk has accomplished way more in the playoffs than Paul has. If you don't want Paul's playoff failures to count against him (choking up a 2-0 lead and HCA against the Spurs and letting Jannero Pargo, getting locked down by Dahntay Jones and getting outplayed by Chauncey Billups, 121-63), then you can't do the same with Dirk.



Sorry, I couldn't find a few of Dirk's stats on the league leaders page.

Then your comparison is useless.


Clearly, Findog lives in a bizarro world where having less of an impact on the game makes one better. But then again, facts don't matter, right?

The fact is that Dirk is better and has won more. The one time Chrissy had a decent supporting cast, he choked up a 2-0 lead and HCA in the 2nd round. Dirk got to the Finals. Advanced Stats in basketball are not the end-all, be-all.

[sonic21]

Kobe has 4 teammates in the top 50, LeBron with one and way overrated.

interesting

[duhoh]

And Paul never lost to an inferior team in the first round after posting a 67-15 record, and winning the MVP.

Okay, time to use cold, hard facts.

From 08-09:

FG%
Paul: .503
Nowitzki: .479

TS%
Paul: .599
Nowitzki: .564

eFG%
Paul: .528
Nowitzki: .498

Offensive Rating
Paul: 124.4
Nowitzki:

Defensive Rating
Paul: 103.1
Nowitzki:

Offensive Win Shares
Paul: 13.3
Nowitzki: 7.5

Defensive Win Shares
Paul: 5.0
Nowitzki:

Win Shares
Paul: 18.3
Nowitzki: 10.9

Sorry, I couldn't find a few of Dirk's stats on the league leaders page.

Clearly, Findog lives in a bizarro world where having less of an impact on the game makes one better. But then again, facts don't matter, right?

your logic is as twisted as your avatar. sorry, can't take you seriously :lol

[redzero]

Dirk has accomplished way more in the playoffs than Paul has. If you don't want Paul's playoff failures to count against him (choking up a 2-0 lead and HCA against the Spurs and letting Jannero Pargo, getting locked down by Dahntay Jones and getting outplayed by Chauncey Billups, 121-63), then you can't do the same with Dirk.

I was using duhohs reasoning against him.



Then your comparison is useless.

Next time, maybe Dirk should actually perform well enough to get his name in the top 20.


The fact is that Dirk is better and has won more.

No, he isn't.


The one time Chrissy had a decent supporting cast, he choked up a 2-0 lead and HCA in the 2nd round.

He didn't choke any lead. He lost to a better team.


Dirk got to the Finals.

Where he proceeded to lose four games straight to a one man team. Dirk has been to the top, and he's had the supporting cast to back him up. And I knew you would ignore the phrase "At this point in their careers."


Advanced Stats in basketball are not the end-all, be-all.

Especially not when they show that your claims aren't true.


your logic is as twisted as your avatar. sorry, can't take you seriously :lol

Of course, you claim that Dirk is a better offensive player, I give you evidence showing that he's not, but my logic's twisted.

[TheMACHINE]

Colin Cowheard said in his show this morning that Bynum is the only guy on that list that can easily go from low rank to the top 20 by the end of the year. He is impressed with the numbers he is having with 4 other guys in the top 50 on the same team.

[Allanon]

You could say that playing with Kobe has vaulted Gasoft, Odumb and Glassman into the Top 50.

Ariza also went from a bench-warmer into a highly sought after player.

[redzero]

You could say that playing with Kobe has vaulted Pau, Lamar and Bynum into the Top 50.

For Bynum and Odom at least that is true. Pau has just been placed higher ever since he got on a better team.

[Culburn369]

Odumb

:lol

[JoeTait75]

I've thought LeBron has been better than Kobe over the last year. But this season? I really do think that Kobe has been better than LeBron. I am usually Kobe's biggest critic, but he's been very good this season/

LeBron hasn't put forth the consistent effort defensively this season that he did last season. He's also turning it over more.

He's playing at a high level- he always does- but he's been better.

[NBAfan83]

this poll is biased on the number of rings each person has won.

TD is nowhere near top five today, top 15 sure, but top 5 in the current NBA? seriously?

Melo's having a way better season than Dwade, but since wade has won 1 ring, he's up there in top 3?

[NBAfan83]

And Paul never lost to an inferior team in the first round after posting a 67-15 record, and winning the MVP.

Okay, time to use cold, hard facts.

From 08-09:

FG%
Paul: .503
Nowitzki: .479

TS%
Paul: .599
Nowitzki: .564

eFG%
Paul: .528
Nowitzki: .498

Offensive Rating
Paul: 124.4
Nowitzki:

Defensive Rating
Paul: 103.1
Nowitzki:

Offensive Win Shares
Paul: 13.3
Nowitzki: 7.5

Defensive Win Shares
Paul: 5.0
Nowitzki:

Win Shares
Paul: 18.3
Nowitzki: 10.9

Sorry, I couldn't find a few of Dirk's stats on the league leaders page.

Clearly, Findog lives in a bizarro world where having less of an impact on the game makes one better. But then again, facts don't matter, right?

Dirk has more impact on the game tbh.

He can rebound, block, steal, way better than chris paul, and can take over a game when needed, even if his teammates are sucking.

When chris paul's teammates are sucking, he lacks the ability to take over the game, and his nifty assist don't mean squat if his teammates aren't shooting the ball well. He lacks the size to impose his will on the game, and that is why the hornets loss to the nuggets 121-63

[Allanon]

TD is nowhere near top five today, top 15 sure, but top 5 in the current NBA? seriously?

Duncan is still top 5 in my opinion.
19 points on 54%
11 rebounds #5 in NBA
2 blocks #5 in NBA



Melo's having a way better season than Dwade, but since wade has won 1 ring, he's up there in top 3?

Yes, I'd agree Melo has been better than DWade this year and Dirk should be higher.

[ffadicted]

this poll is biased on the number of rings each person has won.

TD is nowhere near top five today, top 15 sure, but top 5 in the current NBA? seriously?

Melo's having a way better season than Dwade, but since wade has won 1 ring, he's up there in top 3?

I'd still take Wade over melo for my team ANY day. I think that's kinda what they're voting on. Also, other then CP3, who can you seriously say with a straight face should definitely be higher then Duncan?

[redzero]

Dirk has more impact on the game tbh.

He can rebound, block, steal, way better than chris paul, and can take over a game when needed, even if his teammates are sucking.

When chris paul's teammates are sucking, he lacks the ability to take over the game, and his nifty assist don't mean squat if his teammates aren't shooting the ball well. He lacks the size to impose his will on the game, and that is why the hornets loss to the nuggets 121-63

Dirk can steal better than Chris Paul? News to me.

The stats don't lie. I've given you evidence, you tell me what should be instead of what is.

[NBAfan83]

Dirk can steal better than Chris Paul? News to me.

The stats don't lie. I've given you evidence, you tell me what should be instead of what is.

it's just facts that CP3 ain't gonna lead any team to victory the way dirk has. Dirk hasn't had a sidekick since nash left and he's brought his team to several 50+ wins.

CP3 doesn't have the maturity or mindset to lead a team to a winning mentality, that's a thing that can't be recorded via stats.

[badfish22]

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Wade
4. Dirk
5. CP3
6. Melo
7. Duncan
8. Dwight
9. KG
10 Fun lovin Nash

Didnt really have to think about it. Even though I think Kobe and Lebron are about the same. Kobe is a better shooter and Lebron is a better passer.

[Findog]

it's just facts that CP3 ain't gonna lead any team to victory the way dirk has. Dirk hasn't had a sidekick since nash left and he's brought his team to several 50+ wins.

CP3 doesn't have the maturity or mindset to lead a team to a winning mentality, that's a thing that can't be recorded via stats.

Advanced stats have revolutionized baseball, but transferring them to basketball is tricky. You can use them to add context to what you watch with your own eyes, but it's hard to isolate one player's effect on a game solely through stats. In baseball, it's a solitary activity between pitcher and batter, but so many things in basketball depend on who else is on the court, etc.

[Ghazi]

CP3 is a top five player as far as regular season statistics, a top 25 player as far as actual impact on games, and a top 50 player in April/May.

[Ghazi]

Dirk shits the bed for one series (GS) and we get message board retards saying shit like... Melo is better (Melo has a case this year, but never before in his career), Manu is better, Pierce is better, Gasol is better... wouldn't trade Scola for Dirk, etchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

We get Stephen A Smith saying he's a star, not a superstar
We get Jamaal Mashburn saying Jason Terry is the best player on the team.

We get mavsfan1000 saying J-Ho is a more complete player :lol

CP3 shits the bed for TWO playoff series and is still considered the best PG in the league and a top 5 player?

Racism if you ask me :lol... or people rootin for the "little guy" while the unorthodox German 7 footer gets blasted.

[ChrisRichards]

List is just full of failures. Shaq better than Gasol, Amare and Bosh?:lol:lol:lol


I imagine these panelists are no different than your average fan. They dont watch every freaking game to make a fair assessment. I mean seriously? Travis Best? Who the hell is thi guy?:lol



Kobe is NOT better than Lebron and Wade, not anymore. Wade and Lebron have overtaken Lebron since 2005-2006 season.

Right now the list should be


1. Lebron
2. Wade
3. Chris Paul
4. Melo
5. Dwight
6. Dirk
7.Duncan
8.Kobe
9. Brandon Roy
10. Bosh

[21_Blessings]

Haters gonna hate.

[ChrisRichards]

Homers gonna suck a penis

[Sportstudi]

Kobe is NOT better than Lebron and Wade, not anymore. Wade and Lebron have overtaken Lebron since 2005-2006 season.



:lmao:lmao:lmao