VY, colt, tebow

[stretch]

say the longhorns win the NC this year...

are these the three greatest college QBs of all time?

[mookie2001]

not colt or tebow, ive seen too much colt, even im tired of his act

[IronMexican]

VY and Tebow are definitely in it. And after becoming the winningest QB in NCAA history, McCoy probably would be in it with a NT win, too.

[The Reckoning]

mookie2001 must be tired of winning

[DBryant88]

Doug Flutie?????

[stretch]

no

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

No.

[Whisky Dog]

They're the 3 greatest QBs on the century.

[Spursfan092120]

not colt or tebow, ive seen too much colt, even im tired of his act
mook..dude..you gotta be kidding, bro. Most wins in NCAA history, best accuracy in NCAA history, nice guy, role model, winner. You're tired of that?

[mookie2001]

yeah

hes reached his limitations as a qb, i can tell a split second after the snap where hes going with the ball

i root like hell for the guy but his fumbling, his awww shucks my bible act, its tired


i know gilbert is going to have growing pains but im ready for the next chapter

[DBryant88]

how bout harrell?

[stretch]

shut the hell up please

[Spursfan092120]

yeah

hes reached his limitations as a qb, i can tell a split second after the snap where hes going with the ball

i root like hell for the guy but his fumbling, his awww shucks my bible act, its tired


i know gilbert is going to have growing pains but im ready for the next chapter
Dude..McCoy is a beast. I'll always have a soft spot for Vince and he'll probably always be my favorite for bringing Texas back to the top, but McCoy is better, IMO. Gilbert will be good, but he's no McCoy, man...

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Dude..McCoy is a beast. I'll always have a soft spot for Vince and he'll probably always be my favorite for bringing Texas back to the top, but McCoy is better, IMO. Gilbert will be good, but he's no McCoy, man...


Four years ago you were probably saying the same thing about VY/Colt.

[Spursfan092120]

how bout harrell?
http://i47.tinypic.com/1zgoqw.jpg

[Spursfan092120]

Four years ago you were probably saying the same thing about VY/Colt.
lol...you're exactly right..I was. And I may turn out to be wrong...I hope so.

[stretch]

Dude..McCoy is a beast. I'll always have a soft spot for Vince and he'll probably always be my favorite for bringing Texas back to the top, but McCoy is better, IMO. Gilbert will be good, but he's no McCoy, man...

I don't know about that.

Do you think Colt could have done what VY did against USC? No way. Colt's a better passer, but VY was the best college QB ever. No QB ever could singlehandedly take-over and dominate games the way VY was able to. Thats why I still would take him over Tebow as well. Tebow is great, but he doesnt just dominate games the way VY would, and has a much more gimmicky system to benefit from. Basically, it's easier to find a gameplan to stop McCoy or Tebow than it is for Vince.

[Spursfan092120]

I don't know about that.

Do you think Colt could have done what VY did against USC? No way. Colt's a better passer, but VY was the best college QB ever. No QB ever could singlehandedly take-over and dominate games the way VY was able to. Thats why I still would take him over Tebow as well. Tebow is great, but he doesnt just dominate games the way VY would, and has a much more gimmicky system to benefit from. Basically, it's easier to find a gameplan to stop McCoy or Tebow than it is for Vince.
That's a great argument, stretch. It actually kinda made me think about it a bit. You might be right.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I just think there are too many variables in the college game to form a consensus at the QB position. There are probably 10-15 QBs who you could legitimately argue that deserve to be included in the top 5.

Plus, what do you do with small school, lower division guys like Neil Lomax and Steve McNair who absolutely obliterated everyone they played?

[dickface]

Tommie Frazier

[Blake]

Tommie Frazier >> Colt or Tebow

He was even the MVP in the NC game in the loss against Charlie Ward and Fla St.

Hard to compare a lot of college players because the ones that have pro potential usually leave early.

Even though Vince had maybe the best season ever as a QB, Frazier had the better overall college career.

[Blake]

I just think there are too many variables in the college game to form a consensus at the QB position. There are probably 10-15 QBs who you could legitimately argue that deserve to be included in the top 5.

Plus, what do you do with small school, lower division guys like Neil Lomax and Steve McNair who absolutely obliterated everyone they played?

or guys like Detmer who get dinged because of the system they played in.

[Whisky Dog]

Tebow. Colt. VY.

Two worship Jesus, one is black Jesus.

[J.T.]

IMO Tebow gets overrated as fuck because of the NC that Chris Leak won for Florida.

[Spursfan092120]

Tommie Frazier >> Colt or Tebow

He was even the MVP in the NC game in the loss against Charlie Ward and Fla St.

Hard to compare a lot of college players because the ones that have pro potential usually leave early.

Even though Vince had maybe the best season ever as a QB, Frazier had the better overall college career.
How can you say Tommie Frazier had a better college career than Colt McCoy has? In what insane way can you back that up?

[Greg Oden]

Ken Dorsey. Who cares that he played with other guys who are considered elite players in the nfl.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

How can you say Tommie Frazier had a better college career than Colt McCoy has? In what insane way can you back that up?

Led team to three consecutive NCGs, back to back NCs, three consecutive NC MVPs.

[dickface]

Led team to three consecutive NCGs, back to back NCs, three consecutive NC MVPs.

:lol that was easy

[Whisky Dog]

Yeah Frazier had a better career, just wasn't a better QB and didn't get as many wins.

Gots the titles though.

[Whisky Dog]

That was before Nebraska went from black shirts to pink shirts.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Yeah Frazier had a better career, just wasn't a better QB and didn't get as many wins.

Gots the titles though.

I don't think the number of wins matter when you were the type of big game player Frazier was in the mid 90s.

Plus, you can't really fault the guy for missing starts when he had that blood clot in his leg.

[Spursfan092120]

Led team to three consecutive NCGs, back to back NCs, three consecutive NC MVPs.
Quarterback is not the only position on the team. Colt has the highest accuracy in a career, highest accuracy in a season, most wins, and tied for second most passing touchdowns by a freshman. He also holds 10 records at the University of Texas. I would call Frazier the best OPTION QB of all time in the NCAA..but not the best QB of all time. But then again, it's hard to say who would be.

[Whisky Dog]

Better QB and better career are seperate things.

Colt seems to be the better QB, better passer by far but Frasier had the titles and bug games that gave him a better career.

[mookie2001]

one also needs to remember in 2010, the best "ever" means 19 year olds can remember when it happened

[Blake]

How can you say Tommie Frazier had a better college career than Colt McCoy has? In what insane way can you back that up?

did you go to utsa?

you seem to be about as smart as one of those freaks.

[Blake]

Led team to three consecutive NCGs, back to back NCs, three consecutive NC MVPs.

took on a Miami defense that included Warren Sapp and Ray Lewis in one of those NCs.

Frazier was a freak.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Better QB to run the option for Osborne? Doubtful.

That's why I said there are too many variables.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

took on a Miami defense that included Warren Sapp and Ray Lewis in one of those NCs.

Frazier was a freak.

FSU and Brooks, not Lewis.

[Spursfan092120]

did you go to utsa?

you seem to be about as smart as one of those freaks.
Actually, no I didn't. But I bet UTSA grads are a hell of a lot more intelligent than you. What's your deal with UTSA? Jealous that you don't have a decent education, so you bash people who do? Their college of business is one of the highest ranked in the country. You need new material.

[Blake]

Better QB and better career are seperate things.

Colt seems to be the better QB, better passer by far but Frasier had the titles and bug games that gave him a better career.

If Colt doesn't go #1 in the NFL draft then pro scouts might tell you Stafford is the better QB.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Or was it Lewis? My memory is shot.

[Spursfan092120]

Better QB to run the option for Osborne? Doubtful.

That's why I said there are too many variables.
That's what I'm saying...Frazier was the best option QB of all time, IMO...McCoy is the best QB of all time, once again, IMO...but as you said..too many variables.

[Spursfan092120]

If Colt doesn't go #1 in the NFL draft then pro scouts might tell you Stafford is the better QB.
That would be why this is about the best NCAA QB of all time, and not the best NFL QB of all time.

[Blake]

Actually, no I didn't. But I bet UTSA grads are a hell of a lot more intelligent than you.

not the ones on this board that got so butthurt that they went after other posters in real life and got this college board shut down for a few days.


What's your deal with UTSA? Jealous that you don't have a decent education, so you bash people who do? Their college of business is one of the highest ranked in the country. You need new material.

Na, old material works just fine. You saying "Vick promptly led the Falcons to a Super Bowl" cracks me up every time.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Yeah, he played Sapp and Lewis the year after losing to FSU and Brooks.

[Blake]

That would be why this is about the best NCAA QB of all time, and not the best NFL QB of all time.

.....to which has already been stated that it's too hard to do since the kids with pro potential leave school early.

It's like trying to ask who the greatest NCAA basketball player of the decade is.

[Whisky Dog]

.....to which has already been stated that it's too hard to do since the kids with pro potential leave school early.

It's like trying to ask who the greatest NCAA basketball player of the decade is.

Kobe - no college. Lebron - no college. Dwight Howard - no college.

Gotta be Dwayne Wade, followed by Kevin Durant then Melo.

[Greg Oden]

Durant over Melo as far as college goes? Fucking kill yourself immediately.

[Blake]

Kobe - no college. Lebron - no college. Dwight Howard - no college.

Gotta be Dwayne Wade, followed by Kevin Durant then Melo.

no TJ Ford? what kind of horn honk are you?

Shane Battier had a better overall career than any of them.

it's why it's a ridiculous discussion. too many one hit wonders that took off to the nba.

[stretch]

.....to which has already been stated that it's too hard to do since the kids with pro potential leave school early.

well if they left early and didnt have a great college resume, then they obviously werent among the greatest COLLEGE players ever. they may have had more potential than other college players, but facts are facts and they didnt perform as well in college than someone like VY, Colt, or Tebow. the coulda woulda shoulda stuff doesnt work in the end. like bo jackson coulda and probably woulda been the best RB in NFL history had he not been playing baseball or gotten hurt. roy tarpley coulda and woulda likely been an all time great if it werent for distractions and drugs. same goes for college. perhaps some players could have been the best college QB if they had a college based system or stayed long enough. but they didnt.

[dallaskd]

Tebow isnt even the best Gator quarterback of all time. That goes to Danny Wuerffel.

Top 3... Vince Young, Tommie Frazier, Matt Leinart/Ken Dorsey

I wanna include Sammy Baugh b/c of what ive heard from my grandfather and other older people but ive never actually seen him play..

[johngateswhiteley]

Matt Leinart is definitely in the discussion. i agree tebow is overrated.

[stretch]

I don't like Tebow the same as the rest of yall, but the man is a beast of a college QB.

Tebow >>> Leinart

[dallaskd]

Matt Leinart is definitely in the discussion.

Definately. People just choose not to include him b/c of hate, but the numbers are there.

[dallaskd]

I don't like Tebow the same as the rest of yall, but the man is a beast of a college QB.

Tebow >>> Leinart

Chris Leak was the real QB on that 06 title team. If Tebow wins again this year i give him the nod. Kind of unfair to some other quarterbacks because these two had unreal talent on both sides of the ball.

[johngateswhiteley]

Chris Leak was the real QB on that 06 title team. If Tebow wins again this year i give him the nod. Kind of unfair to some other quarterbacks because these two had unreal talent on both sides of the ball.

exactly, and team success is only part of the equation. as for Leinart, was going for his second straight national championship against texas and played great...just lost a close one.

[stretch]

i dont go by titles alone like a lot of people do

titles are one of the last things i use to judge a player

what they do on the field is what matters most, and just like the reason why i think VY is better than Colt and Tebow, is the reason why i think Colt and Tebow are better than Leinart... its harder to gameplan against those two. leinart benefitted greatly from a monster running duo of Bush and White and a beast at WR in Jarrett. VY, Colt, and Tebow didnt get the benefit of the offensive weapons that Leinart had. teams gameplan solely for those three guys. whereas in that USC offense, teams had to gameplan for an entire offense.

dont get me wrong, leinart was a beast, but i just dont think he was as deadly of a college QB as these three.

[symple19]

Charlie Ward is also in this discussion

[symple19]

oh yeah, and Ty Detmer

[stretch]

exactly, and team success is only part of the equation. as for Leinart, was going for his second straight national championship against texas and played great...just lost a close one.

and just threw a pick

and just could not manage scores when they needed ONE to finish UT off

and thats why hes not as good. he wasnt a guy to just put the ball in his hands and tell him to win the game for you, and he go out there and do it. VY consistently proved he can do that, and did so on the highest of stages. colt and tebow have done it numerous times as well. leinart wasnt that kind of QB. he had a great system and ran it well, but was never truly dominant the way a guy like VY was.

[symple19]

Old school I'd hafta go Staubach

now I'm done

[dallaskd]

I say VY just because he could take over games like no other could. He was a threat at anytime and never once got fazed. He didnt have as talented teams as a lot of these guys did. I dont like judging by stats. If that was the case then Timmy Chang would be the greatest QB of all time.

[monosylab1k]

How is there a distinction between Option QB's and QB's? I thought this was just "who is the greatest college QB"? The option is a legitimate offensive strategy in college, and nobody ran it better than Tommie Frazier. And just because he was an option QB didn't mean he had no passing skills. The guy had a cannon arm and became a very good passer by the end of his college career.

Vince Young had the greatest individual performance in the history of college football, but he was pretty mediocre for over half his college career. Tommie Frazier was dynamite basically from day one.

[Holmes_Fans]

Definately. People just choose not to include him b/c of hate, but the numbers are there.

Numbers? Harrell had numbers too


and just threw a pick

and just could not manage scores when they needed ONE to finish UT off

and thats why hes not as good. he wasnt a guy to just put the ball in his hands and tell him to win the game for you, and he go out there and do it. VY consistently proved he can do that, and did so on the highest of stages. colt and tebow have done it numerous times as well. leinart wasnt that kind of QB. he had a great system and ran it well, but was never truly dominant the way a guy like VY was.

Vince Young's last play of his career = 2 point conversion after scoring go ahead touchdown.

Matt Leinart's = uncatchable pass out of bounds as time expires

[johngateswhiteley]

amazing how memories are skewed.

[CubanSucks]

Tebow will truck a defensive back and get that extra 2-3 yards everytime, jump up, pump his fist do the gator chomp and scream. Vince Young on the other hand would just flat out break the tackle or avoid the defender all together to get that extra 20-30 yards everytime.

[dallaskd]

Numbers? Harrell had numbers too

Leinart won games. Harrel just threw 70 yard bombs every play and lost 2-3 games evey season.

[dickface]

Leinart definitely belongs in the discussion. Considering how Pete Carroll does basically nothing at all to prepare his team to play each week, thinking they can just roll over everyone on sheer talent alone, it's a bigger testament that Leinart has been the only QB in the Carroll era to get the team to actually play to it's full potential.

[Blake]

i dont go by titles alone like a lot of people do

titles are one of the last things i use to judge a player



oh ok.

Ty Detmer > Vince

[Blake]

Charlie Ward is also in this discussion

not really.

although he was a great all around athlete. It's a little known fact that he was drafted by the Milwaukee Brewers.

[Blake]

Tebow isnt even the best Gator quarterback of all time. That goes to Danny Wuerffel.

that's really not that far fetched of a statement.

It's even debatable as to who the bigger Christian is.

[Whisky Dog]

Durant over Melo as far as college goes? Fucking kill yourself immediately.

No dumb ass, the discussion is best player. Durant is better right now than Melo. Best college career goes to Melo.

See the difference between better player and better career? See, you learned something.

[mookie2001]

mark farris was badd for ol aggy



acie law

[Cant_Be_Faded]

you know what we can do, to pass time after conference championship week.....


we can do a mass pool of QB's, and then tournament-vote them
to end up seeing who is the best of all time
then we can get that lazy ass rich sooner Scott to skew the votes to even out the team-bias....like 5 longhorn votes for a longhorn would even out to 1 sooner vote for a sooner....that bitch knows stats

but first we'd have to define what we is meant by "great"
is it total body of work over longest period of time
is it hypothetical total body of work over longest period of time
is it impact in general
etc

[mookie2001]

but it would have to accepted as the modern modern era, because ironmexican is like the oldest young adult in the forum

and its vince young

[Blake]

No dumb ass, the discussion is best player. Durant is better right now than Melo. Best college career goes to Melo.

See the difference between better player and better career? See, you learned something.

Durant is phenomenal, but Melo leads the league in scoring, has better FG% and plays fewer minutes than Durant.

Melo won a title, but Durant had better stats and won a shitload of awards including best player.

I'd say you have it backwards depending on how you define "best college career".

[Cant_Be_Faded]

ironmexican is like 19 years old he most likely did not even watch the 2005 title game live....we all know this

[Blake]

ironmexican is like 19 years old he most likely did not even watch the 2005 title game live....we all know this

what sucked about watching it live was that instant replay wasnt invented until 2007

[elbamba]

VY was the greatest college football player I have ever seen play. By his third year he could do it all. If he had stayed for his senior year, he would have set the wins record easy. His ability to run made him the best.

[mookie2001]

i told yall, colt mccoys act is played out.

[IronMexican]

ironmexican is like 19 years old he most likely did not even watch the 2005 title game live....we all know this

Nah, never saw it live. I've never watched any part of the game. Only heard about it.

[Spursfan092120]

i told yall, colt mccoys act is played out.
Dude..seriously..that was not about McCoy...His line couldn't handle Nebraska's front line, and Pelini knew that, so he dropped 7 DBs in the game...it's that simple..no QB could have played well in that situation.

[The Reckoning]

tebow cries and loses.

mccoy cries and wins.

end story.

[leemajors]

i told yall, colt mccoys act is played out.

aww shucks, sack me please, i can't throw the ball away. praise JESUS

[mookie2001]

we all knew the line was shit, colt didnt wake up this morning and see five new guys


and 7 dbs wasnt the entire game


the guy has no scrot, you could tell he was going play like fucking garbage one minute into the game, its mental weakness, i dont know if he thinks the bibles going to save him or what but hes not an all-time great or even that much better than jerrod johnson or taylor potts

colt deserves almost all of the criticizism greg davis has received all year, maybe its wishful thinking but i have to believe greg davis is smarter than this. I think he knows colts limitations just like i do

hes got a freeroll v alabama and all of this will just be hardcore fan bitching if he wins i'll give him the credit, but like ive said before this season is in the defenses hands

[Cant_Be_Faded]

rofl
if it said "port arthur" as his town of origin mookie would be sigging and avatarring Colt's nutsack left and right

tonight was not colt's fault

1) offensive line
2) special teams
3) mack brown being exposed yet again and not calling a fucking timeout that almost cost us the entire season

[mookie2001]

bullshit

an uncalled timeout had nothing to do with colt playing like shit

i dont know how else to say it, colt has games where you can tell hes going to play like a little bitch the whole game. he has no authority

chris hall, tanner and huey were atrocious as USUAL, I dont know anyone who thought the middle 3 were going to be our strength against two badass DTs for nebraska

yes the playcalling stupid, AS USUAL, colt had 2 picks in the first quarter, so that makes yall want to start throwing the ball deeper against a team who we're holding to 60 yards offense the entire game. thats foolish

[Spursfan092120]

mccoy cries and wins.

Except McCoy wasn't crying..he was praying..

[Duff McCartney]

Vince Young being proclaimed the greatest college QB ever is a fucking joke. I know there's Texas homers here but that's just insane. He probably wouldn't make anyones top 5 list.

[Spursfan092120]

Vince Young being proclaimed the greatest college QB ever is a fucking joke. I know there's Texas homers here but that's just insane. He probably wouldn't make anyones top 5 list.
A team that was called the best team ever couldn't stop one player for an entire game in the clutch, and it's a joke? Sounds like you're a joke. Maybe college football's not your game. I know...let's try a spelling contest..

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Z7S7OhZwqho/SeH84Q1NHTI/AAAAAAAAAJw/5EvHWVxGt-s/s320/doc_holliday.jpg

[mookie2001]

Vince Young being proclaimed the greatest college QB ever is a fucking joke. I know there's Texas homers here but that's just insane. He probably wouldn't make anyones top 5 list.


anyones?

he would so.

[leemajors]

anyones?

he would so.

He might edge out Jason White.

[Duff McCartney]

It's like I said this board is full of Texas homers who proclaim Vince Young to be the greatest thing since...maybe jesus christ.

I don't even know what you are basing your rankings of Vince Young. I think most experts would put at least 5 QBs ahead of him if not more. I'm not doubting he was a good college quarterback..mainly based on his running ability. But he was far from the greatest QB ever in college football.

[mookie2001]

dude read the thread, dont come with your yearly post and try to drop science, we're talking modern modern era

list your five, rather, google search experts picks for top 5 college quarterbacks of all time, then copy and paste

[Spursfan092120]

dude read the thread, dont come with your yearly post and try to drop science, we're talking modern modern era

list your five, rather, google search experts picks for top 5 college quarterbacks of all time, then copy and paste
:lol

[Duff McCartney]

dude read the thread, dont come with your yearly post and try to drop science, we're talking modern modern era

list your five, rather, google search experts picks for top 5 college quarterbacks of all time, then copy and paste

Modern modern era? WTF? The first post clearly says greatest college QBs of all time.

I'd put Tommie Frazier up there, John Elway as well. In fact alot of the best college qbs had better yards and more touchdowns than Young did. It's like I said..I'm not sure what anyone on this board is basing it on. Stats, wins, national titles? Because Matt Leinart has all of these over Vince Young..more touchdowns passing than Young had passing/rushing combined, more wins than Vince Young had, and more national titles.

[mookie2001]

elway
leinart rofl, one title and vince beat him head to head
frazier

thats 3

[Kyle Orton]

Out of the first 3 hits on top 5 college qb's, Vince Young is on 1 list at #4.

[j-6]

elway
leinart rofl, one title and vince beat him head to head
frazier

thats 3

LOL - I can see this list now. Tebow, Elway, Tommie Frazier, Leinart, and Peyton Manning (though Tee Martin was the guy who led Rockytop to a title).

[Duff McCartney]

elway
leinart rofl, one title and vince beat him head to head
frazier

thats 3

Like I said..homers. And I have no idea what you're basing it on. If it's stats then Leinart wins, if it's wins...Leinart also has more, if it's touchdowns..Leinart also has more, titles..also has more. The only thing Vince Young has more of that Leinart doesn't is interceptions.

Regardless of what you might say about a shared national championship..it is one.

I'm not here saying Leinart is the greatest. I just question what alot of you who proclaim him to be best are basing it on. Looking at stats he's not the best, national titles not the best either. My only guess it's just because a majority of the board here are UT fans.

[mookie2001]

ok but you said vy wouldnt make "anyones" top 5, then you said "experts" then you listed leinart, elway and frazier, thats 3.

[mookie2001]

1. Matt Leinart

[CubanSucks]

Like I said..homers. And I have no idea what you're basing it on. If it's stats then Leinart wins, if it's wins...Leinart also has more, if it's touchdowns..Leinart also has more, titles..also has more. The only thing Vince Young has more of that Leinart doesn't is interceptions.

Regardless of what you might say about a shared national championship..it is one.

I'm not here saying Leinart is the greatest. I just question what alot of you who proclaim him to be best are basing it on. Looking at stats he's not the best, national titles not the best either. My only guess it's just because a majority of the board here are UT fans.

He was the most effecient QB in the country that year! And did you see BOTH Rose Bowls he played in? Cause it's a shame people forget about the 2004 Rose Bowl clinic he put on

[mookie2001]

Leinart was friends with Nick Lache though