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Findog

12-08-2009, 12:47 PM

Let's get this shit started right, bitches!

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Culburn369

12-08-2009, 12:50 PM

I got a feeling you won't be able to find your ass with both hands and I'll have to come in here and make ya sorry afterward.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Goran Dragic

12-08-2009, 12:50 PM

Me > 5'8" Puerto Rican Beaner

The Gemini Method

12-08-2009, 12:52 PM

The battle of the 0 & 60s...

Findog

12-08-2009, 12:53 PM

"Hey hey, what is this faggy stuff? That aint basketball."

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Findog

12-08-2009, 12:54 PM

I got a feeling you won't be able to find your ass with both hands and I'll have to come in here and make ya sorry afterward.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Mavs haven't been playing well lately and they always get raped by Nash. So you're not telling me something I don't already know.

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 12:56 PM

Mavs haven't been playing well lately and they always get raped by Nash. So you're not telling me something I don't already know.

I was hoping for something more along the lines of a stern admonition of my caca and an assurance of victory.:depressed

Findog

12-08-2009, 12:57 PM

Findog

12-08-2009, 12:58 PM

Greg Oden

12-08-2009, 01:02 PM

No surprise Amare's commerical shows him receiving a perfect pass for a wide open dunk.

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:04 PM

No surprise Amare's commerical shows him receiving a perfect pass for a wide open dunk.

Yeah, it's a misnomer. It should be called "Steve Nash: Where Amazing Happens."

Xylus

12-08-2009, 01:20 PM

I can't talk shit. The Mavs are my 2nd favorite team in the league.

I hope it's a close game, concluded by a Steve Nash 3-pointer at the buzzer.

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:28 PM

I'm tempted to get tix to the game. There's a deal on stubhub right now. After service charges, $10 apiece for the upper baseline. You interested mono?

Xylus

12-08-2009, 01:29 PM

http://www.rotorob.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/Shawn_Marion2.jpg

Xylus

12-08-2009, 01:30 PM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EGUtH9rS9dI/SbMqvt41Z3I/AAAAAAAAAzQ/-hCL4dzJMTY/s400/shawn-marion.jpg

Xylus

12-08-2009, 01:31 PM

http://phoenix.fanster.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/marion.jpg

lefty

12-08-2009, 01:31 PM

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:39 PM

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Findog

12-08-2009, 01:39 PM

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Findog

12-08-2009, 01:40 PM

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Findog

12-08-2009, 01:41 PM

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Findog

12-08-2009, 01:42 PM

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Findog

12-08-2009, 01:42 PM

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Findog

12-08-2009, 01:42 PM

http://kfba.net/etc/playerpics/41.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:44 PM

The first time ever I saw your face
I thought the sun rose in your eyes
And the moon and stars were the gifts you gave
To the dark and the empty skies, my love,
To the dark and the empty skies.

The first time ever I kissed your mouth
And felt your heart beat close to mine
Like the trembling heart of a captive bird
That was there at my command, my love
That was there at my command.

And the first time ever I lay with you
I felt your heart so close to mine
And I knew our joy would fill the earth
And last till the end of time my love
It would last till the end of time my love

The first time ever I saw your face, your face,
your face, your face

http://assets.gearlive.com/endscore/blogimages/nash_amare.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:44 PM

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1404/585523590_09f6224afd_o.jpg

Xylus

12-08-2009, 01:45 PM

http://www.espn.go.com/photo/2006/0531/nba_g_timthomas_268.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:45 PM

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Findog

12-08-2009, 01:46 PM

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Xylus

12-08-2009, 01:46 PM

http://www.insomniacslounge.com/uploaded_images/mavs_suns1-717566.jpg

Xylus

12-08-2009, 01:47 PM

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/v3/09-27-2009.NS_27mavs1.G0U2MP44L.1.jpg

Xylus

12-08-2009, 01:47 PM

http://www.bballvideos.com/uploaded_images/7d82eef47009e217843be19634a156ac-getty-83006029bg001_suns_mavericks-748538.jpg

Xylus

12-08-2009, 01:47 PM

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/2005/0523_mid.jpg

Xylus

12-08-2009, 01:48 PM

http://valleyofthesuns.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/nash-dampier.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:49 PM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2774/4169121193_fe63e3c06c_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/240/444140822_bb30b95dff_o.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:49 PM

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Findog

12-08-2009, 01:50 PM

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Findog

12-08-2009, 01:50 PM

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Findog

12-08-2009, 01:51 PM

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Findog

12-08-2009, 01:52 PM

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1305/738893466_8cc58dd4d1_o.jpg

Xylus

12-08-2009, 01:52 PM

http://www.schleich-s.de/cms_schleich/cms_bilder/thumbs/20518.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/espanol/josebarea_170x240.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:53 PM

http://www.acgreen.com/pictures/action/images/acdriving.jpg

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-08-2009, 01:53 PM

Neither team has a championship so this game doesn't matter

lulz!

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 01:53 PM

That the KJ Special that Chambers is displaying there=put your forearm out to clear and then dribble your heart's content.

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:53 PM

http://www.mandiepinto.com/images/Mandie__AC_Green.JPG

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:54 PM

http://www.mavswiki.com/images/thumb/6/64/Acgreen.jpg/250px-Acgreen.jpg

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-08-2009, 01:54 PM

http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/images/2008/02/14/1165745221_extras_fotos_del_dia_0.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:54 PM

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0418/9336/98173_feature.jpg

Yeah, he had an Iron Man streak going alright.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-08-2009, 01:57 PM

http://www.senebasket.com/photo/1529506-2040605.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:57 PM

http://www.nba.com/media/suns/nov04_tabuse_opener.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:57 PM

http://www.nba.com/media/suns/cedric_ceballos_emcee_220.jpg

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 01:58 PM

^lol! At Tabuse.

Remember when CC broke both wrists at the same time? HTF did he wipe his ass or, skin his onion?

Findog

12-08-2009, 01:59 PM

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/U85122117.jpg?size=67&uid=C336F36B-76BF-41DB-97C4-E6444BC53F76

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-08-2009, 02:00 PM

http://www.mavswiki.com/images/thumb/f/ff/Kvhorn.jpg/250px-Kvhorn.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 02:00 PM

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/U87104028.jpg?size=67&uid=4A794A31-9101-45C8-B965-0B2391E5C6CD

Findog

12-08-2009, 02:01 PM

http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/wp-content/shaq-phoenix-suns.jpg

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-08-2009, 02:03 PM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LkcniSIp4VA/ReNrUWGXQHI/AAAAAAAAAdU/yK20AjQH6aY/s320/avery+johnson+fell.jpg

Xylus

12-08-2009, 02:04 PM

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/66/156519574_aec91436c9.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 02:07 PM

Findog

12-08-2009, 02:10 PM

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-08-2009, 02:10 PM

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/ian_thomsen/04/26/nelson.notes/p1.don.nelson.jpg

Findog

12-08-2009, 02:12 PM

Findog

12-08-2009, 02:16 PM

badfish22

12-08-2009, 02:45 PM

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badfish22

12-08-2009, 02:46 PM

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badfish22

12-08-2009, 02:46 PM

http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/10/1035/DZ3L000Z/ace-ventura-when-nature-calls.jpg

badfish22

12-08-2009, 02:47 PM

http://bebsisms.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/truman_show_ver1.jpg?w=200&h=275

badfish22

12-08-2009, 02:49 PM

http://ryanericsongcanlas.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/liar_liar_ver1.jpg?w=387&h=532

badfish22

12-08-2009, 02:52 PM

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/sportatorium/Rick%20Carlisle%20Mavs.jpg

lefty

12-08-2009, 02:56 PM

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0418/9336/98173_feature.jpg

Yeah, he had an Iron Man streak going alright.
Pretty much like his virginity strak

Findog

12-08-2009, 02:59 PM

Pretty much like his virginity strak

You're a little slow today.

Will Hunting

12-08-2009, 03:02 PM

You're a little slow today.

When there's a really overused, cliche, uncreative joke to make, you can count on Lefty to deliver!

lefty

12-08-2009, 03:11 PM

When there's a really overused, cliche, uncreative joke to make, you can count on Lefty to deliver!
You've got that right :lol

Fpoonsie

12-08-2009, 03:21 PM

http://www.courtneyhoskins.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/fouadfamguy.png

JJ Hickson

12-08-2009, 03:24 PM

When there's a really overused, cliche, uncreative joke to make, you can count on Lefty to deliver!

:lol

badfish22

12-08-2009, 03:26 PM

congrats on the win

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/12/new-starter-tonight.html

Don't be surprised if there's a change at shooting guard tonight for the Mavericks against Phoenix. Coach Rick Carlisle (http://topics.dallasnews.com/topic/Rick_Carlisle) experimented with starting Jason Terry (http://topics.dallasnews.com/topic/Jason_Terry) against Atlanta on Saturday and the Mavericks fell behind 9-2.
Terry was sixth man of the year last season and fills that role wonderfully.
So what will happen tonight? Expect J.J. Barea to get a good look early.
"For me, I'm just going to see if I can get myself going and get the team going a little with some energy at the beginning,'' Barea said after shootaround. "That's what I'm going to try to do tonight. And do my best on (Steve) Nash.''
Sounds like Barea's going to get the starting nod, although Carlisle never tips his hand until game time.
One thing for sure, the Mavericks need more punch early in the game.
"We didn't have the energy at the start (against Atlanta) and it went from there,'' Barea said. "So we'll hopefully get a better start tonight.''
--Eddie Sefko

:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

mavs>spurs2

12-08-2009, 03:50 PM

:lmao the JJB love thing is starting to get ridiculous

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-08-2009, 03:53 PM

Oh goody, another away game, god dam it Tucson, suck a dick you pisshole of a city.

badfish22

12-08-2009, 03:56 PM

:lmao the JJB love thing is starting to get ridiculous

Its like with every bad game JJ Barea earns more respect from Rick. And the opposite is true for Roddy.

Pretty soon JJ Barea will have a statue outside the arena.

redzero

12-08-2009, 03:57 PM

:lmao the JJB love thing is starting to get ridiculous

Are you dissing the best foreign born player of all time (with Dirk a close second)?

lefty

12-08-2009, 04:08 PM

:lol
Fuck you; I crack some good jokes once in a while:lol

Findog

12-08-2009, 04:13 PM

da_suns_fan

12-08-2009, 04:29 PM

Lets see how the Suns play against their rejects.

Findog

12-08-2009, 04:30 PM

Lets see how the Mavs play against their discarded trash.

DPG21920

12-08-2009, 08:44 PM

JJ Barea starting. Did anyone else see that stupid rap intro?

badfish22

12-08-2009, 08:45 PM

JJ Barea starting. Did anyone else see that stupid rap intro?

Both of those things are extremely embarrassing. I'm more proud of the rap video

DPG21920

12-08-2009, 08:46 PM

That was one of the stupidest things I have ever seen and I am not talking about Barea.

pauls931

12-08-2009, 08:46 PM

I'll go with homecourt since neither team plays defense. So I'll give the edge to the Mavs.

Fpoonsie

12-08-2009, 08:46 PM

I can't wait for that fucker w/ the pink slappy things to keel over.

Fpoonsie

12-08-2009, 08:49 PM

:lol Marion.

FkLA

12-08-2009, 08:52 PM

git em Suns!!!

Fpoonsie

12-08-2009, 08:55 PM

git em Suns!!!

Can't really "root" for either team. Figure I'll just poke fun at each team's shitty play.

Fpoonsie

12-08-2009, 08:57 PM

Sure seems like Nash gets away w/ extra steps in the lane on almost every drive.

pauls931

12-08-2009, 08:57 PM

Can't really "root" for either team. Figure I'll just poke fun at each team's shitty play.

Too bad we can't set up another hoop and get a three way going.

dirk4mvp

12-08-2009, 08:57 PM

Dirk has returned to the headband and all of it's glory.

dirk4mvp

12-08-2009, 08:57 PM

Too bad we can't set up another hoop and get a three way going.

:lol :lol

Fpoonsie

12-08-2009, 08:59 PM

Too bad we can't set up another hoop and get a three way going.

:lol

Fpoonsie

12-08-2009, 09:00 PM

What's up w/ Shawn?

badfish22

12-08-2009, 09:01 PM

Nice block by Josh

Marion is trying to do too much against his former team.

Fpoonsie

12-08-2009, 09:02 PM

Nice block by Josh

Marion is trying to do too much against his former team.

Gotcha.

badfish22

12-08-2009, 09:05 PM

Hes also grimacing, fantastic. He needs to take a few games off I think.

FkLA

12-08-2009, 09:11 PM

anybody know of any online streams for this game?

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 09:14 PM

Well, the Mavs lost in the shit per usual.

Christ.

FkLA

12-08-2009, 09:20 PM

thanks lakaluva

crc21209

12-08-2009, 09:21 PM

Drew Gooden is playing like the REAL Drew Gooden now...like absolute trash. :lol. He's like 0-9 now...

Fpoonsie

12-08-2009, 09:36 PM

Look at that little fag.

Fpoonsie

12-08-2009, 09:43 PM

4-1 faggot

When did the Spurs lose a series to the Knicks?

Umm...4-1, faggot? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NBA_Finals)

[shrug]

Stabbin' Cabin

12-08-2009, 09:44 PM

I see Marion is still missing all the easy layups.

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 09:45 PM

Aside from Barea, the Mavs suck donkey dick.

mystargtr34

12-08-2009, 09:55 PM

Aside from Barea, the Mavs suck donkey dick.

Except against the Lakers and Spurs.

badfish22

12-08-2009, 09:57 PM

Marion and Gooden are finding new creative ways to miss lay-ups.

At least Marion is giving you defense, I don't want Gooden to play the rest of the game. Put Humphries in.

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 09:58 PM

Except against the Lakers and Spurs.

:rolleyes

Fpoonsie

12-08-2009, 10:06 PM

Wow. Gooden.

benefactor

12-08-2009, 10:30 PM

Lmao pony tail douche.

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 11:09 PM

Roll out the barrels, we'll have a barrel of fun!

Way ta go Kidd!

badfish22

12-08-2009, 11:11 PM

Wow Carlisle is a moron. Three play, three screens on Barea, three threes. Does he not watch the game? It almost cost us a win.

Darthkiller

12-08-2009, 11:13 PM

suns would have won if they had 1 more to. nash coulodnt miss from 3.

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 11:13 PM

F'in Richardson blew that TO.

ha, ha.

monosylab1k

12-08-2009, 11:15 PM

Josh Howard is playing with fire, Josh Howard is playing with energy, Josh Howard is making his jumpers, Josh Howard gives the team very favorable size matchups on the court.

So what does Carlisle do in crunch time? Pulls Josh Howard, puts in Barea, and gives Nash the green light to do some ass whupping.

If the Mavs had lost this game, "Fire Carlisle" would be the phrase of the night.

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 11:18 PM

Findog

12-08-2009, 11:20 PM

Nice missed ft at the end by Terry to force Stoudemire to heave it up from 3/4s.

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 11:22 PM

Carlisle was no longer competing against the Suns. He was playing the clock. And he was outstanding.

Findog

12-08-2009, 11:24 PM

Carlisle was no longer competing against the Suns. He was playing the clock. And he was outstanding.

I agree, but Nash got free way too easily on his last 3-ball. One miss and the game would've been over much sooner.

Allanon

12-08-2009, 11:25 PM

Man, I missed most of this game....wuz busy watching the Cavs/Grizz game.

Sounds like it was pretty good.

Xylus

12-08-2009, 11:26 PM

The Suns hit 3 straight clutch 3's in the final minute, but the Mavs were just as clutch. Unfortunately, the Suns dug themselves into a hole early in the quarter by leaving Stoudemire on the bench for far too long.

badfish22

12-08-2009, 11:27 PM

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 11:27 PM

Findog

12-08-2009, 11:29 PM

That's the discipline of playing the clock and not chickening out. It's really rare when you're able to do what Carlisle was able to do. Richardson made it possible by burning that TO needlessly. He let Nash shoot, didn't get anywhere near him because Nash couldn't hurt him unless he was fouled.

The Mavs pretty much had to play a perfect final minute for that strategy to work. One stop and the game would've been iced much sooner. As a Mavs fan, you can never count on flawless late-game execution.

pauls931

12-08-2009, 11:31 PM

Yup, suns didn't play smart and didn't play D until the very end. BTW thanks for whoever posted the feed, I got to watch the last minute or so.

Culburn369

12-08-2009, 11:37 PM

The Mavs pretty much had to play a perfect final minute for that strategy to work. One stop and the game would've been iced much sooner. As a Mavs fan, you can never count on flawless late-game execution.

You get anywhere near Nash on those shots and it'll be at least three FT, or, a 4 point play. It wasn't the Suns. It was that Richardson TO which put the clock into play. Coach recognized it immediately. That's coaching!

sefant77

12-09-2009, 12:13 AM

So i wonder when Barea and RC ran into in a swinger club and how many pics Barea took of him there...

sribb43

12-09-2009, 12:58 AM

Fuck Carlisle.....jjb at the end of the game when u need stops, its unexceptable. He is too damn short to contest shots as it was scene as Jrich shot a 3 and JJ was at his waist level as he rose up. He also can't fight threw scenes.

For all Carlisle does right, this is becoming a nightly downfall of Rick. Also, as bad as Gooden was playing why didn't Thomas play tonight?

Culburn369

12-09-2009, 01:01 AM

You won, you stupid shit.

HE WASN'T PLAYING THE SUNS NO MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Findog

12-09-2009, 10:44 AM

Steve Nash doesn't miss when the game's on the line:

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DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-09-2009, 11:00 AM

Well good game Dallas. I didn't get to watch so I have no idea what happened, all I've gotta say is if this is the best Gentry can do then they need a trade. They've lost 4 of 5, pretty soon they'll return to being the borderline playoff team everyone thought they were (and if everyone thought the Suns somehow had it tough in November with road games against bad teams, idk why you think the home games they have against good teams this month will be so much easier).

Shank

12-09-2009, 11:13 AM

I bet Nash is one hell of a Beer Pong player.

Findog

12-09-2009, 11:16 AM

dirk4mvp

12-09-2009, 11:22 AM

Mavs fans and Suns fans get along too much here.

Fuck yourselves and your sissy cuck team.

Findog

12-09-2009, 11:24 AM

Mavs fans and Suns fans get along too much here.

We've bonded over continual playoff failure:

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Culburn369

12-09-2009, 11:25 AM

Mavs fans and Suns fans get along too much here.

Fuck yourselves and your sissy cuck team.

F'in eh.

Findog

12-09-2009, 11:26 AM

I can't talk shit. The Mavs are my 2nd favorite team in the league.

I hope it's a close game, concluded by a Steve Nash 3-pointer at the buzzer.

Well, you were close.

Culburn369

12-09-2009, 11:27 AM

Well, you were close.

...horseshoes, hand grenades & cheerleaders.

dirk4mvp

12-09-2009, 11:29 AM

...horseshoes, hand grenades & cheerleaders.

http://flagranny2.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/vert1143goldbergfbi.jpg

Culburn369

12-09-2009, 11:30 AM

Just thanks for last nite, dirk4. Ya done good, sweetheart.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-09-2009, 11:37 AM

They lost by 1 point to a 15-7 team on the road.

With the matchup advantages they have over Dallas, it was a very winnable game. There were a lot of things about the game that bother me looking at the box score:

JJ Barea shouldn't be putting up 14 points on 75% shooting. That ties a season high for him. Home or road it's inexcusable.
Everyone loves Grant Hill cause he's a nice guy and stayed with the Suns, but his defense and boxing out in particular has been terrible this year.
Earl Clark, the one player on the Suns with the combination of length and athleticism that you need to guard Dirk, didn't touch the court. That makes no sense (actually it does given the night Dirk had). Whether or not he's a rookie, it's time to make a fuckin adjustment when no one else on the team can guard him.
Nash and Amare combine for 9 turnovers. What's new.
Amare StandandAdmire was doing too much standing and admiring when he shoulda been boxing out and grabbing more than 5 rebounds.
Lastly, J-Rich had a good night, but he needed a better night given who was guarding him.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-09-2009, 11:45 AM

Mavs fans and Suns fans get along too much here.

Fuck yourselves and your sissy cuck team.

I've got the sissy cuck team? Dirk probably pays Amare to run train on his convicted felon wife while he sits at the edge of the bed naked with a video camera jerking off.

(I think the Suns-Mavs allegiance is mostly cause of faggots like nkdlunch and bjot)

picc84

12-09-2009, 11:48 AM

If the Suns are down 3 and Nash has the ball you always foul.

Findog

12-09-2009, 11:48 AM

JJ Barea shouldn't be putting up 14 points on 75% shooting. That ties a season high for him. Home or road it's inexcusable.

That's the only thing he can do, score. That's why Carlisle keeps playing him, despite all the other things he does poorly. He hurt the Mavs getting lost on screens at the end, and also with his patented overdribbling into traffic and turnovers. Nash's last 3-ball came with him starting at the right wing "guarded" by JJB. He got free way, way, way too easily when JJB couldn't get around the screen and there was nobody within 5 feet of him when he let it rip. Why wasn't J-Ho on the court to defend Nash?

Earl Clark, the one player on the Suns with the combination of length and athleticism that you need to guard Dirk, didn't touch the court. That makes no sense (actually it does given the night Dirk had). Whether or not he's a rookie, it's time to make a fuckin adjustment when no one else on the team can guard him.

Earl Clark would've had his lunch eaten by Dirk. The problem is that it's not easy to double Dirk anymore. If you come off Kidd spotting up on the wings, he will make you pay. That's what happened on Kidd's last FG with 28 seconds left. Richardson came down to help on Dirk and Dirk quickly flicked it to Kidd for the basket.

Nash and Amare combine for 9 turnovers. What's new.

Don't think you can put last night's loss on Nash. Didn't seem like a particularly poor game for Amare either.

Amare StandandAdmire was doing too much standing and admiring when he shoulda been boxing out and grabbing more than 5 rebounds.

What else is new? That's his standard MO.

Lastly, J-Rich had a good night, but he needed a better night given who was guarding him.

I don't recall ever seeing JJB matched up on him. When he and Nash were in the game together, JJB was usually guarding him, or Dragic when the Suns went to a Nash/Dragic backcourt.

Findog

12-09-2009, 11:52 AM

Whaddaya know? JJB had the second-highest +/- on the team last night at +6, just behind Humphries +8. Of course Humphries was in the game late in the 3rd when the Mavs pulled ahead behind the Dirk and Josh show, so his +/- is a little misleading.

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12-09-2009, 11:54 AM

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I'm tired of watching Nash not play defense. He sucks at it, we all know that, but sometimes he doesnt even try. He just stands around waiting for the other team to either score or miss the shot so he can get the ball back. Allmost like cherry picking

tee, hee.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-09-2009, 11:57 AM

That's the only thing he can do, score. That's why Carlisle keeps playing him, despite all the other things he does poorly. He hurt the Mavs getting lost on screens at the end, and also with his patented overdribbling into traffic and turnovers. Nash's last 3-ball came with him starting at the right wing "guarded" by JJB. He got free way, way, way too easily when JJB couldn't get around the screen and there was nobody within 5 feet of him when he let it rip. Why wasn't J-Ho on the court to defend Nash?

I understand that. I'm saying there's no excuse for letting him score more than every other team did.

Earl Clark would've had his lunch eaten by Dirk. The problem is that it's not easy to double Dirk anymore. If you come off Kidd spotting up on the wings, he will make you pay. That's what happened on Kidd's last FG with 28 seconds left. Richardson came down to help on Dirk and Dirk quickly flicked it to Kidd for the basket.

There's a good chance you're right and EC would have gotten shredded by Dirk, but Dirk was shredding everyone else, what harm would it do to stick Clark in for a few possessions and see how he does? He's 6'10" and has the quickness of a SG, the prototypical guy you want guarding Dirk.

Don't think you can put last night's loss on Nash. Didn't seem like a particularly poor game for Amare either.

There's no particular person to put this loss on (except for maybe Hill but since he's a nice guy and likes to have fun it's ok). I'm simply saying those two combining for 9 turnovers contributes to losses and there's no excuse for it to be a re-occurring theme. I understand the bad rebounding given PHX's lack of size, but the huge turnover nights are inexcusable.

What else is new? That's his standard MO.

5 RPG isn't his standard MO, but regardless, a player who won't shut up about how much better his defense and rebounding got over the summer needs to prove it.

I don't recall ever seeing JJB matched up on him. When he and Nash were in the game together, JJB was usually guarding him, or Dragic when the Suns went to a Nash/Dragic backcourt.

Who was guarding him then? He has a huge size advantage on Barea, and a quickness advantage on Kidd. Last night should have been a big night for J-Rich.

Findog

12-09-2009, 12:00 PM

Who was guarding him then? He has a huge size advantage on Barea, and a quickness advantage on Kidd. Tonight should have been a big night for J-Rich.

Terry guarded him when they were both in the game together. I think I saw Kidd matched up on him. If he's out on the perimeter and doesn't drive, Kidd can guard him. If he tries to post up Kidd, Kidd is too strong to get knocked out of position.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-09-2009, 12:02 PM

Terry guarded him when they were both in the game together. I think I saw Kidd matched up on him. If he's out on the perimeter and doesn't drive, Kidd can guard him. If he tries to post up Kidd, Kidd is too strong to get knocked out of position.

He should be able to post Terry up no problem, him posting up Ray Allen was the key to the Suns beating Boston in Boston earlier this year. Oh, and if Kidd is guarding him, why can't he drive? You just proved my point, he can either drive against Kidd or post up against the Jet, either way it's a mismatch.

Findog

12-09-2009, 12:05 PM

He should be able to post Terry up no problem, him posting up Ray Allen was the key to the Suns beating Boston in Boston earlier this year. Oh, and if Kidd is guarding him, why can't he drive? You just proved my point, he can either drive against Kidd or post up against the Jet, either way it's a mismatch.

Every time I watch Jason Richardson, he tends to just jack up jumpers. I think he has Michael Finley disease, which usually happens to every 2-guard at a certain point in their careers.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-09-2009, 12:07 PM

Every time I watch Jason Richardson, he tends to just jack up jumpers.

And he shouldn't get away with that. With his size and athleticism, he should be able to create a higher percentage shot against Kidd.

Findog

12-09-2009, 12:12 PM

And he shouldn't get away with that. With his size and athleticism, he should be able to create a higher percentage shot against Kidd.

He's a 28-year-old SG that's been in the league 8 years. That's what they do, they get older and shy away from contact in the paint.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-09-2009, 12:15 PM

He's a 28-year-old SG that's been in the league 8 years. That's what they do, they get older and shy away from contact in the paint.

Then he should be benched if he wants to avoid contact. It's ridiculous to say a 28 YO is allowed to avoid contact. 28 is still a prime year in most careers.

Findog

12-09-2009, 12:26 PM

Then he should be benched if he wants to avoid contact. It's ridiculous to say a 28 YO is allowed to avoid contact. 28 is still a prime year in most careers.

I didn't say it's right, it's just the career arc of almost every 2-guard.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-09-2009, 12:37 PM

I didn't say it's right, it's just the career arc of almost every 2-guard.

I'd agree if J-Rich ever took the ball to the hole on a consistent basis. With him, it's just a lazy douche bag who's content collecting his check and chucking threes, and always having coach who's too pussy to bench a player for it, Gentry being no exception.

Culburn369

12-09-2009, 01:19 PM

Matzel, Matzel, good things below

http://www.phxsuns.net/images/icons/icon1.gif Wednesday's News: No Offense, but Suns are Slumping
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Suns come up short at Dallas
by Paul Coro - Dec. 8, 2009 | The Arizona Republic

DALLAS - The Suns and Mavericks were looking for a remedy to their offenses, limping into Tuesday night's game amid their worst scoring stretches of the season.

Both figured to oblige, considering the Western Conference rivals' history of classic shootouts since point guard Steve Nash left Dallas for Phoenix in 2004.

Neither found the cure, but Dallas got back Josh Howard from an ankle injury and has the Band-Aid for a lot of problems in the form of Dirk Nowitzki. Nowitzki scored 33 points, and Howard made a surprise return from injury to score 16 second-half points off the bench in the Mavericks' 102-101 victory at American Airlines Center.

Phoenix has lost four of its past five, shooting 44 percent during that span after leading the NBA at 50.7 percent.

The Suns played harder and were competitive, as the teams were within a basket of each other until the final minute of the third quarter. That's when Nash left, and the Suns effectively lost the game in the next four minutes without him. Dallas went on an 11-2 run after Nash exited.

The Suns did not have a chance to tie the score until a flurry of 12 points on four consecutive possessions down the stretch provided hope. Out of timeouts with 2.4 seconds to go, Dallas' Jason Terry intentionally missed a second free throw and Amar'e Stoudemire had to heave a desperation shot from the Mavericks' end that fell short.

With 1:16 to go, Stoudemire's 3-point play started a run that was followed by three 3-pointers by Nash and Jason Richardson. It was the best the offense looked all game, as the Suns' woes continued without injured guard Leandro Barbosa and with center Channing Frye struggling.

"We don't have rhythm to our game," Suns coach Alvin Gentry said. "We've got to get back to the rhythm of running screen-and-roll. If it's not there, we've got to be able to move the ball, move people and keep the game going. We have to have a tempo and rhythm to the way we play. If they're going to switch, we have to be able to punish them inside. We don't get that done."

The Suns last led the game midway through the third quarter (61-60), about the time that Dallas began to find its offensive rhythm. The Mavericks struggled with their shooting much of the game but made 15 of their final 26 shots.

"Poor performance," Nash said. "We tried. We just didn't have it. We couldn't find it. It should have been a game that we score 110 points easy."

"We just didn't play up to our standard. I had a few too many turnovers (six). We missed a couple shots we normally make, and that's the difference between scoring 100 or 110. We've got to fight through it. We're a little tired, but we can't use that as an excuse. We've got to fight through it until we get some home cooking."

Phoenix summoned a better defensive effort that, early on, seemed to be plenty for its usual offensive output.

Dallas missed 23 of its first 32 shots, but the Suns led just 35-30 four minutes into the second quarter. Their inability to capitalize on Dallas' offensive struggles was the fault of their offense, particularly in the four-minute, second-half stretch without Nash. The Suns shot 1 for 7 and committed a turnover during that span.

"That's what happens when Steve comes out," forward Jared Dudley said. "You see the difference. There's no doubt about it. We have to do better when myself and the bench come in. We have to hold the fort and give them breathing time. I know he's Mr. Healthy, but everyone needs some rest."

Key player
Dirk Nowitzki's 33 points weren't a surprise, but Dallas got a bonus with Josh Howard scoring 20 (16 in the second half) in his first game back from an ankle injury.

Key moment
In the third quarter, the Suns stayed within one basket either way until Steve Nash left on a Dallas free throw that began an 11-2 Mavericks run.

Key number
44: The Suns' shooting percentage in the past five games. They led the NBA with 50.7 percent shooting before that.

View from press row
The Suns pondered a few Dallas lineup possibilities before the game with the sudden availabiltiy of Josh Howard, who had been out all but three games this season. Would Howard, Jason Terry or Rodrigue Beaubois start? Nope, just like the previous two games against the Suns, Dallas started Jose Juan Barea and enticed Phoenix to put Steve Nash on him. Barea averaged 14 points on 50 percent shooting in the previous two meetings and made six of eight shots Tuesday for 14 points and six assists. He had averaged 8.1 points and 3.0 assists this season.

Culburn369

12-09-2009, 01:21 PM

Kidd and that ball breaking 3. I about shit myself, Depends withstanding.

pauls931

12-09-2009, 02:15 PM

Dallas missed 23 of its first 32 shots, but the Suns led just 35-30 four minutes into the second quarter. Their inability to capitalize on Dallas' offensive struggles was the fault of their offense, particularly in the four-minute, second-half stretch without Nash. The Suns shot 1 for 7 and committed a turnover during that span.

"That's what happens when Steve comes out," forward Jared Dudley said. "You see the difference. There's no doubt about it. We have to do better when myself and the bench come in. We have to hold the fort and give them breathing time. I know he's Mr. Healthy, but everyone needs some rest."

How Tragic...

monosylab1k

12-09-2009, 02:27 PM

Another thing about J-Rich is that he very rarely, if ever, jumps off one leg. He always has to reset himself and jump off both legs, which of course gives the defense another split second to react.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

12-09-2009, 02:38 PM

Another thing about J-Rich is that he very rarely, if ever, jumps off one leg. He always has to reset himself and jump off both legs, which of course gives the defense another split second to react.

Sup DoK?

da_suns_fan

12-10-2009, 12:40 AM

Kidd and that ball breaking 3. I about shit myself, Depends withstanding.

:lol

Well at least I can know that if Suns lose, at least Cubby is having a good night.

Culburn369

12-10-2009, 06:05 AM

:lol

Well at least I can know that if Suns lose, at least Cubby is having a good night.

I'm always happier after a Suns loss than a Lakers victory. It's just the way it is.

wanggi

12-10-2009, 09:48 AM

I'm always happier after a Suns loss than a Lakers victory. It's just the way it is.

So CutSelfBery you'd rather be a Sunhater than a Lakerfan.

Zipped 'nuff!:rollin