Who thinks the Mavs got robbed in the 2006 finals

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Wade definitely got some calls in that series but I have always said the same treatment Wade got in games 3-6, Dirk got against the Spurs in games 3 and 4. The difference, Wade was attacking the rim relentlessly on every possession, while Dirk drew fouls on mid range jumpshots. What do you guys think?

[mavs>spurs2]

What do I think? I think this troll is fail

[Findog]

Wade definitely got some calls in that series but I have always said the same treatment Wade got in games 3-6, Dirk got against the Spurs in games 3 and 4. The difference, Wade was attacking the rim relentlessly on every possession, while Dirk drew fouls on mid range jumpshots. What do you guys think?

ok

[jacobdrj]

I didn't watch the 06 Finals because the Mavs shouldn't have even been there. Spurs outplayed them in every facet of the game. Heat had no business there either, but they did out-coach the Pistons to get there, legitimately.
I hear the Heat won that Finals series in 06...

[mavs>spurs2]

I didn't watch the 06 Finals because the Mavs shouldn't have even been there. Spurs outplayed them in every facet of the game. Heat had no business there either, but they did out-coach the Pistons to get there, legitimately.
I hear the Heat won that Finals series in 06...

slurp slurp slurp. pistontalk.com slurp

[Findog]

I didn't watch the 06 Finals because the Mavs shouldn't have even been there. Spurs outplayed them in every facet of the game. Heat had no business there either, but they did out-coach the Pistons to get there, legitimately.
I hear the Heat won that Finals series in 06...

Sounds like you didn't watch the 06 Semifinals either.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

What do I think? I think this troll is fail



LOL Don't be so sensitive I just wanted everyone's opinion.

[Findog]

LOL Don't be so sensitive I just wanted everyone's opinion.

ok

[mavs>spurs2]

LOL Don't be so sensitive I just wanted everyone's opinion.

ok

[iggypop123]

LOL Don't be so sensitive I just wanted everyone's opinion.
you must be new. welcome to hell

[Shank]

LOL Don't be so sensitive I just wanted everyone's opinion.

ok

[blink]

mavs didnt get robbed, the refs just decided to call ticky tack touch fouls... but fouls nonetheless.

[jacobdrj]

Sounds like you didn't watch the 06 Semifinals either.

I did.





slurp slurp slurp. pistontalk.com slurp
And I was rooting for the Mavs, homer.

[Findog]

I did.


I watched that series too and there's no way to reconcile that with "The Spurs outplayed the Mavs in every facet of the game." It would've been over sooner if JET hadn't punched Finley in the junk.

[bostonguy]

I watched that series too and there's no way to reconcile that with "The Spurs outplayed the Mavs in every facet of the game." It would've been over sooner if JET hadn't punched Finley in the junk.

Findog...you are going to rile up spurs fans with that kind of logic. :lmao

[jacobdrj]

The refs were so biased towards the Mavs, it was sick. Again, I was rooting for the Mavs, but that series was dirty.

Mavs played very well that season, and were worthy of rooting for (defense was much improved, and the team as a whole was very intense).

Every advantage the Mavs were getting in against the Spurs, the Heat were apparently getting, or so I am told by my buddies who watched. But I can't say the Mavs were cheated when they shouldn't have been there in the 1st place.

[bostonguy]

I can't say the bad calls won the Mavs that series. Not when the Spurs were in position to win game 7. Up 3, Manu fouled Dirk on a and-1 play. Maybe game 4 had some bad calls but at the end of the day...the spurs had their chance to close out the series and simply couldn't. Dirk was and still is that much of a matchup nightmare for the Spurs.

[Findog]

Findog...you are going to rile up spurs fans with that kind of logic. :lmao

Well, it's true.

[Findog]

The refs were so biased towards the Mavs, it was sick. Again, I was rooting for the Mavs, but that series was dirty.



ok

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200605090SAS.html

Dirty calls I guess.

[Findog]

Mavs shot 4 more free throws than the Spurs over the course of the entire series. That's 1/2 a free throw a game. Yeah, the refs had it out for the Spurs in that series. Go look at Duncan's FT totals in that series. Spurs fans just couldn't accept that Dirk was getting the same superstar treatment as Duncan.

[jacobdrj]

Ok

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305110SAC.html

Whats your point?

[BadOdor]

The way I see it, the mavs did not deserve to win. 2-0 up and a 10 point lead with 10 left to play(or close to it), and they manage to lose?

With that being said, there is no way you can deny that whistle gets the most Ft's out of anybody. Hell, you just needed to watch his latest game against the lakers to just see him jump into people and get the call. The little bitch isn't even looking to throw a shot out there, he's just waiting for the little most of the time.

[z0sa]

Gone over a million times, the Mavs stored up a shitload of bad karma from the Spurs series and it came back to haunt them. Who'd have guessed it'd be in the same way they acquired it AND in the same playoffs (I mean, that is some BAD karma and a lot of it), but payback's a bitch.

[HarlemHeat37]

Why does anybody care anyways?..

The NBA's "official" champion of 2006 is the Heat, just like the 2002 "official" champion is the Lakers..going over the calls and screwjobs in anger is pointless, it's not going to change anything..

unless your team is the Lakers, there's always going to be suspicious incidents involving officiating..

[z0sa]

Mavs shot 4 more free throws than the Spurs over the course of the entire series. That's 1/2 a free throw a game. Yeah, the refs had it out for the Spurs in that series. Go look at Duncan's FT totals in that series. Spurs fans just couldn't accept that Dirk was getting the same superstar treatment as Duncan.

I won't argue anything, what's done is done and you have your capgun loaded with the usual insults, but marquee players spending all their time attacking the paint get barrel loads FTs throughout NBA history with incredible consistency. Dirk's insane amount of FTs in that series are of the anomaly sort, no question about it.

[Findog]

Ok

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305110SAC.html

Whats your point?

The point is that they had the only blowout of the series, had no discernable advantage at the FT line, suffered the suspension of one of their top 3 players and still pulled it out in G7 on the road. Your contention that "the Spurs outplayed the Mavs in every facet of the game" is laughable. You can say the teams were pretty evenly matched and the Mavs prevailed by the thinnest of margins. But you can't say "the Spurs outplayed the Mavs in every facet of the game." Not even close.

[Findog]

I won't argue anything, what's done is done and you have your capgun loaded with the usual insults, but marquee players spending all their time attacking the paint get barrel loads FTs throughout NBA history with incredible consistency. Dirk's insane amount of FTs in that series are of the anomaly sort, no question about it.

He got the same touch-foul treatment that Duncan got, that Wade gets, etc. Dirk plays like a 2. I give Wade and the Heat credit for winning the Finals, so I don't understand why some Spur fans can't do the same and move on.

[mavs>spurs2]

I won't argue anything, what's done is done and you have your capgun loaded with the usual insults, but marquee players spending all their time attacking the paint get barrel loads FTs throughout NBA history with incredible consistency. Dirk's insane amount of FTs in that series are of the anomaly sort, no question about it.

Dude, Duncan shot 90 free throws in that series to Dirk's 80. Meanwhile, Wade broke Jordan's record of free throws in a series with somewhere over 100, in only 6 games. Your argument is fail

[LOL@MavsFan]

LOL...come on Spurs fan stop stooping to Mavs fan's level! HAHA

[LOL@MavsFan]

Dude, Duncan shot 90 free throws in that series to Dirk's 80. Meanwhile, Wade broke Jordan's record of free throws in a series with somewhere over 100, in only 6 games. Your argument is fail

:wakeup

[mavs>spurs2]

Actually it was 97 free throws, in 6 games

[BlackSwordsMan]

I do!

[mavs>spurs2]

I do!

You're a good man sir, :tu

[stretch]

all the crap about "mavs got all the calls against the spurs!!! wah wah wah" garbage stems from ONE bad call that suddenly got dellusional spurfans/mavhaters thinking the whole series went entirely onesided in favor of the mavs. the call where dirk stepped on duncans foot and duncan was whistled. yeah, that was a bad call. but there were plenty of bad calls that went both ways through the series, as well as plenty of good calls that went both ways that fans of each team felt were bad calls. in terms of FT shots, Spurs statistically benefitted more though. the series was pretty even. dirk and harris got some cheap calls from some flopping, while parker and duncan got calls for nonexistent contact. it went both ways. quit whining.

[Chieflion]

all the crap about "mavs got all the calls against the spurs!!! wah wah wah" garbage stems from ONE bad call that suddenly got dellusional spurfans/mavhaters thinking the whole series went entirely onesided in favor of the mavs. the call where dirk stepped on duncans foot and duncan was whistled. yeah, that was a bad call. but there were plenty of bad calls that went both ways through the series, as well as plenty of good calls that went both ways that fans of each team felt were bad calls. in terms of FT shots, Spurs statistically benefitted more though. the series was pretty even. dirk and harris got some cheap calls from some flopping, while parker and duncan got calls for nonexistent contact. it went both ways. quit whining.
Proof? Stats for the seven games? Not whining, just to see some proof.

[Spursmania]

It's over. Spurs lost and Mavs lost. I just hope a Western Conference team (my preference, of course, is SA)kicks LA's ass in the WCF this year.

However, whichever team can rise up to the challenge and not cry about being robbed and actually beat LA in the WCF will get all the props they deserve from me. Crying over spilled milk like a little girl is useless. Every team has gotten robbed here and there and some worse than others.

[koriwhat]

this question can be answered quite easily with a "who fuckin cares!"

[AussieFanKurt]

Mavs LOST HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DEVO
NO TITLES


this question can be answered quite easily with a "who fuckin cares!"

:toast

[Chieflion]

"Why don't you guys do something memorable in this arena, other than lose in the playoffs." -WWE wrestler

[crc21209]

Wade definitely got some calls in that series but I have always said the same treatment Wade got in games 3-6, Dirk got against the Spurs in games 3 and 4. The difference, Wade was attacking the rim relentlessly on every possession, while Dirk drew fouls on mid range jumpshots. What do you guys think?

I think you should stop bringing this up...I mean it only happened 3 going on 4 years ago...it's done with.

[crc21209]

"Why don't you guys do something memorable in this arena, other than lose in the playoffs." -WWE wrestler

:lmao

[AussieFanKurt]

lol @ mavs in general

[dirk4mvp]

lol @ australia in general

[AussieFanKurt]

yeah we are pretty funny down here if thats what youre laughing at

[dirk4mvp]

I'm laughing at australia being the turd of planet earth.

[LakerHater]

You mean "Who cares"!

[Native American]

I witnessed once a long, bright summer day that would seem to not end and then get ravaged by darkness of night suddenly and with no warning. Pale man call this aclips. We believe it is a shylock who pay dark devil of night handsome reward to capture sunlight so he may profit by providing service of light to others. Dark devil of night rapes the glory of the sun but only executes the shylock's evil intents. And when I say "dark devil of night" I mean Dwyane Wade's black ass. And when I say "rapes the glory of the sun" I mean Dirk Nowitzki and the Mavericks getting fucked in the ass during the 2006 NBA Finals. And when I say "shylock's evil plans" I mean David Stern's fake WWE superstar darling driven ideology of the NBA. That's why I carry a flashlight during the daytime.

[picc84]

LOL

Funny gimmick is funny.

[AussieFanKurt]

I'm laughing at australia being the turd of planet earth.

:lmao
makes about as much sense as mavs losing to an 8th seed team after winning 60 games

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lmao yeah the refs won that series for Dallas in 2006. I'm sure they hypnotized Manu to go foul Dirk.

[dirk4mvp]

No, not a warrior fan!

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL Native American is the #1 poster right now..hopefully he keeps the gimmick fresh..

[Chieflion]

LOL Native American is the #1 poster right now..hopefully he keeps the gimmick fresh..
I agree. He fuckin rules.

[icem]

mavs were a team that got too excited after winning the first two games in the series.

they were up like 13 with 6 minutes to go in game 3.

they have no one to blame but themselves.

[cornbread]

Mavs were up 3-1 on the Spurs and still needed a bonehead play from Manu in OT in game 7 to win the series. That team could only outrun its destiny to fail for so long.

[badfish22]

I'm disappointed this thread has so many posts.

[mystargtr34]

I got nothin bad to say about that series. It was epic, one of the best in history... Mavs probably deserved it, but if the Spurs won then i dont think they would have had much to complain about either.

Not to ruin your troll attempt, just had to say it.

[Fpoonsie]

I'm disappointed this thread has so many posts.

Yo tambien.

[AussieFanKurt]

hurrumph!

[Findog]

This company has been in your family for 250 years, and from slaves and smallpox blankets to soft-core porn and semiconductors, it's ALWAYS made a profit!

[Findog]

Look, I don't care what sort of Boys in Brazil thing you've got going on in there, but in here I'm still the boss, and we're making these dolls, and they're going to kick so much ass you'll probably go blind, and if you don't like it, there's the big-ass door.

[AussieFanKurt]

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[ezau]

It's 09. It's time to move on. Spurs have 4 rings and it's all that matters.

[Fpoonsie]

Look, I don't care what sort of Boys in Brazil thing you've got going on in there, but in here I'm still the boss, and we're making these dolls, and they're going to kick so much ass you'll probably go blind, and if you don't like it, there's the big-ass door.

:toast

[mavs>spurs2]

It's 09. It's time to move on. Spurs have 4 rings and it's all that matters.

4 rings, faggot!!

[Killakobe81]

I do. Most neutral observers an dMavs fans do ...but the refs are so bad who knows what is intentional and what is not ...

[mavs>spurs2]

I do. Most neutral observers an dMavs fans do ...but the refs are so bad who knows what is intentional and what is not ...

i take back everything i said in the other thread

[Killakobe81]

i take back everything i said in the other thread

LOLdidnt say that for that reason, but again I watch a lot of ball, played and coached and that was ONE OF THE WORST reffed series of all times the comeback game (3 or 4) was ATROCIOUS ... IF i was a MAVS fam I would of impaled one of those guys ...
Normally I tell my players it evens out ...but to even that out stern would have to hand the Mavs a title ...

Now heat fans dont get me wrong you were the aggressors and Alonzo the last few games changed the game with his defensive intensity kudos to Wade and ZO (posey also hit some key shots)

But come, on that was crap ... that and the Spurs swep of Cavs worst Finals of my lifetime ...

[FkLA]

Wade shot 24 FTs the first two games as well, which is more than anyone on either team...he was the most agressive player throughout the series plain and simple. The Mavs were able to overcome that the first two games but turned into walking vaginas after their game 3 meltdown. Up 2-0 in the series, leading by 13 going into the 4th quarter of game 3, yet end up loosing that game...you cant blame anyone but the Mavs for that. They choked.


Mavs were up 3-1 on the Spurs and still needed a bonehead play from Manu in OT in game 7 to win the series. That team could only outrun its destiny to fail for so long.

Haha well put.

[duhoh]

Wade definitely got some calls in that series but I have always said the same treatment Wade got in games 3-6, Dirk got against the Spurs in games 3 and 4. The difference, Wade was attacking the rim relentlessly on every possession, while Dirk drew fouls on mid range jumpshots. What do you guys think?

Are you from SpursReport/RealGM?

[werewolf]

Yes they got robbed and if you can't admit that you're either A) A hater or B) Don't know anything about basketball.
That series was all about Stern showing Cuban who the boss was. I had friend's who were not fan's of either team telling me my team was getting screwed. That Spur's-Mav's series was the best I have ever seen. It could have gone either way. After that series, I had no finger nails.

[Purple & Gold]

I agree Mavs and Seahawks 2006 Champs

[hitmanyr2k]

The Mavs choked plain and simple. Choked the lead away late in Game 3. Had the hangover from Game 3 and got annihilated in Game 4. Game 5 ANOTHER choke down the stretch. If they knew how to make clutch free throws their trophy case wouldn't be empty right now. There's no excuse for missing 3 out of 4 free throws while protecting a lead in the final minute of Game 5, no excuse. The Mavs fucked themselves and put Wade in a position to be the hero...a situation he should have never been in if the Mavs take care of business like they're supposed to. So nope, they weren't robbed. Dallas had many chances to put a clamp on that series and screwed up everytime.

[Findog]

The Mavs choked plain and simple. Choked the lead away late in Game 3. Had the hangover from Game 3 and got annihilated in Game 4. Game 5 ANOTHER choke down the stretch. If they knew how to make clutch free throws their trophy case wouldn't be empty right now. There's no excuse for missing 3 out of 4 free throws while protecting a lead in the final minute of Game 5, no excuse. The Mavs fucked themselves and put Wade in a position to be the hero...a situation he should have never been in if the Mavs take care of business like they're supposed to. So nope, they weren't robbed. Dallas had many chances to put a clamp on that series and screwed up everytime.

Pretty much this. The officiating was terrible and the call at the end of G5 that sent Wade to the line was a travesty...he barreled into Dirk recklessly and got bailed out. It's too bad that the refs rewarded him for it since it swung the game. But if they don't miss their FTs, then it wouldn't have come to that. You never want to put yourself in a position where the refs can affect the outcome, because they're human and can make mistakes.

[Findog]

I give the Heat credit for winning that series and refuse to blame the officiating for the Mavs loss, but here's a message for the Spurs fans that equate the officiating in the Finals to the officiating in the semis: STFU!

Mavs shot 4 more free throws than the Spurs over 7 games. That's half a free throw a game. The Heat shot 52 more free throws over 6 games, an advantage of nearly 9 more FTs a game.

[stretch]

Proof? Stats for the seven games? Not whining, just to see some proof.

its not hard to pull up yahoo sports and use a calculator

but so you can quit being a chode about it...

Dallas shot 223 FTs

San Antonio shot 235 FTs

the team that had more free throw attemps won every game in the series... except game 7. San Antonio shot 8 more in that game but still lost.

[MiamiHeat]

Wade's style of play back then was attack, attack, attack the rim

Mavs were helpless, resorting to fouls, and they got called for it.

If you don't want a guy to shoot 97 free throws, stop fouling him.

Wade shot like 65% FG vs the Pistons in the ECF that year anyway, so it was either he was going to get lots of high percentage buckets, you play amazing defense (LOL MAVS), or you gotta foul him - which is what mavs did.

[JamStone]

Wade did attack, but he wasn't always fouled when he was getting calls. That's the point. And the amount of favorable if not absolutely bad calls he got is what is unforgivable.

[Indazone]

Who thinks that the excercise bike defense kept the Mavs out of contention?

[monosylab1k]

Who thinks that the excercise bike defense kept the Mavs out of contention?

You're not the chosen brother, Eli. It was Paul who was chosen. You see, he found me and told me about your land. You're just a fool.

[sonic21]

they got robbed! Miami wasn't an elite team in 2006, they were lucky the pistons choked and the refs helped them in the finals.

[badfish22]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4664280/donaghy-confirms-anti-cuban-bias



Donaghy confirms anti-Cuban bias

December, 10, 2009

By Tim MacMahon

Ex-con/ex-referee Tim Donaghy confirmed what folks in Dallas have long suspected: NBA executives and officials are biased against Mavericks owner Mark Cuban.

Donaghy, who made an appearance on ESPN 103.3’s Galloway and Co. to promote his book “Personal Foul,” said that bias cost the Mavericks games and played a significant role in their collapse after taking a 2-0 lead in the 2006 Finals.

“I think there was numerous games,” Donaghy said. “Obviously Mark was very outspoken in regard to the referees. Referees have personal vendettas that they take out on certain players, coaches and owners. Mark was certainly one of those people.”

Donaghy claimed that Danny Crawford bragged that the Mavericks rarely won playoff games that he officiated, information Donaghy used to place bets against the Mavs. The Mavs have lost 15 of their last 16 playoffs game that Crawford worked.

If Donaghy can be believed, there were two major officiating factors in the controversial Finals collapse that was fueled by Dwyane Wade free throws. He said referees are trained to favor teams that are down in playoff series. And then there’s the anti-Cuban bias.

“It had been told to me behind the scenes that they were actually happy in the NBA office when Dallas was knocked out from the playoffs,” Donaghy said, “because it was less complaints from Mark, it was less e-mails from Mark and it was less work that they had to do.”

Of course, Cuban surely fired off a few e-mails after the Finals.

Cuban’s e-mail response to Donaghy’s comments on Thursday: "My position hasn't changed. But I've already paid for stating it, so I'm not going to repeat it."

[Findog]

A lot of what Donaghy says has to be taken with a grain of salt.

[duhoh]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4664280/donaghy-confirms-anti-cuban-bias

another donaghy claim that is ridiculously easy to point out and say

[Findog]

I mean, even if the officiating was biased to that degree, it does your franchise no good to adopt an excuses-making ethos.

[badfish22]

A lot of what Donaghy says has to be taken with a grain of salt.

Very true. The only thing that really gets me pissed off in that is


Donaghy claimed that Danny Crawford bragged that the Mavericks rarely won playoff games that he officiated, information Donaghy used to place bets against the Mavs. The Mavs have lost 15 of their last 16 playoffs game that Crawford worked.

I mean I knew we usually lose with that jack ass as a ref but I didn't know it was that bad. Thats a little much to be just a coincidence.

[thispego]

i know it's been said but mavericks got in the finals what the spurs got in the semi-finals. Sucks for both teams and the heat made out like bandits.

[mavsfan1000]

D-Whistle has the refs in his pocket. That is why the Heat won.

[mavsfan1000]

And I do believe that Danny Crawford is anti-mavs. I couldn't believe how many bad calls he made by himself. The nba is rigged. Fucking joke.

[mavs>spurs2]

i know it's been said but mavericks got in the finals what the spurs got in the semi-finals. Sucks for both teams and the heat made out like bandits.

FT shooting was more or less even in our series. In the Heat series, it was way lopsided. They shot 9 more ft's than us per game and Wade shot 97 by himself that series. What we witnessed in the semifinals was ref incompetence, while what we saw in the Finals was ref bias.

[hitmanyr2k]

Who the fuck allowed the chance for Mavs to choke and for D-Whistle to become the pompous hero?

Dallas allowed the chance when they couldn't hit free throws down the stretch. It's not like the Mavs weren't getting calls at the end of the game. They had the lead. They were getting calls. Wade made his free throws...Dallas didn't, that's the bottom line.


Game 3 should have been a convincing blow-out but for the biased refs, but the fate fooled Mavs and gave the Cheat their alaman. Mavs could have already folded up the series in 3 games and strided towards the championship in goose-steps. D-Whistle got the whistle whenever and wherever someone touched him as though refs mouths were automatically controlled with D-whistle's body as the trigger.

There was nothing bad about Game 3. The Mavs had a chokehold on this series and that was just a big-time letdown at the end of Game 3. They should have swept this series or at the very least ended it in 5 games but they could never get over that Game 3 collapse and let Miami back in the series.

[thispego]

i think the bias was as clear in san anotnio as it was in miami. the freethrows would have been more lopsided if the spurs were a shittier team like the heat

[Findog]

^ It's funny how Spur fan is impervious to facts. The FT disparities in the Spur-Mavs and Heat-Mavs series weren't even remotely similar.

[Venti Quattro]

How Dallas lost 4 straight in the finals after having a chokehold of the series still baffles me to date. To blow a series like that, man, it's gotta be more than the refs.

[Findog]

How Dallas lost 4 straight in the finals after having a chokehold of the series still baffles me to date. To blow a series like that, man, it's gotta be more than the refs.

They no-showed in G4 after collapsing in G3. You can't afford to not show up in a Finals game. It's hard to get to 4 wins, and you can't just gift a win for the other team. G5 and G6 literally came down to the final play. They lost 3 games in that series by a grand total of 6 points. Could've easily gone the other way, but not the way it turned out.

[AussieFanKurt]

Cuban deserves unfair treatment. What a fuckhead

[mavs>spurs2]

Cuban deserves unfair treatment. What a fuckhead

you're australian so your opinion doesn't count

[thispego]

^ It's funny how Spur fan is impervious to facts. The FT disparities in the Spur-Mavs and Heat-Mavs series weren't even remotely similar.

Spurs had better defense on the mavs than the mavs had on dwade so they didn't have to resort to fouling as much.

[Jacob1983]

I think the Mavs got robbed somewhat but it doesn't because the games are not going to be played again. I do believe that some part of David Stern wanted to make Wade the next Michael Jordan. His experiment failed because the Heat were swept in their title defending season by the Bulls. Wade and the Heat have failed to get out of the first round since 2006. I predict that Wade will not be wearing a Heat jersey next season. He's had enough of being on a shitty team so he will probably bolt. Whether you're a Mavs hater or Wade dick sucker, you have to admit that Wade got calls in the 2006 Finals that Michael Jordan never got.

[Indazone]

Originally Posted by Indazone http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/Style_Templates/nba/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3906750#post3906750)
Who thinks that the excercise bike defense kept the Mavs out of contention?


You're not the chosen brother, Eli. It was Paul who was chosen. You see, he found me and told me about your land. You're just a fool.

:lol

[badfish22]

A lot of what Donaghy says has to be taken with a grain of salt.

You should put this quote in your sig:

J.J. Barea was asked what aspect of playing defense gives him the most trouble.
"Everything," Barea said.


:lmao


At least hes honest

[Darrin]

Wade definitely got some calls in that series but I have always said the same treatment Wade got in games 3-6, Dirk got against the Spurs in games 3 and 4. The difference, Wade was attacking the rim relentlessly on every possession, while Dirk drew fouls on mid range jumpshots. What do you guys think?

Me. The end of that game 5 was ridiculous.

[picc84]

Game 3 was Wade turning on god mode and deciding to assrape the Mavs. No bad calls at all. Epic chokejob and epic performance by Wade.

Game 4 was a blowout.

Games 5 and 6 were atrociously reffed to the Heat's advantage, especially in the final quarters. I still remember Dirk getting whistled because his ribs impeded the motion of Wade's elbow.

[mavs>spurs2]

Game 3 was Wade turning on god mode and deciding to assrape the Mavs. No bad calls at all. Epic chokejob and epic performance by Wade.

Game 4 was a blowout.

Games 5 and 6 were atrociously reffed to the Heat's advantage, especially in the final quarters. I still remember Dirk getting whistled because his ribs impeded the motion of Wade's elbow.

Yup, he won the game at the line after elbowing Dirk in the ribs. Absolutely no way to possibly justify blowing the whistle on Dirk in that scenario. It was as blatant an offensive foul there ever was

[MiamiHeat]

Wade did attack, but he wasn't always fouled when he was getting calls. That's the point. And the amount of favorable if not absolutely bad calls he got is what is unforgivable.

Urban myth

Show me what plays you are talking about.

All of the 'phantom foul' bullshit has been disproved.

[mavs>spurs2]

Urban myth

Show me what plays you are talking about.

All of the 'phantom foul' bullshit has been disproved.

False. There used to be a sight dedicated to pointing out all of the phantom calls in that series. They had videos of all of them, then the NBA removed all of the videos off youtube. Wade would just be going up for a jumpshot with no one around im and the whistle would blow, it was ridiculous.

[JJ Hickson]

Miami Heat = Zero time NBA champions.

[mavs>spurs2]

Listen to this audio broadcast of Donaghy discussing the series

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/player?id=4729343

[mavs>spurs2]

"referee's have personal vendetta's who they take out on certain players, coaches, and owners and mark was obviously one of them"

[mavs>spurs2]

"when cuban went up 2 games to none in that series, and the way that nba referees are trained to favor teams that are down in series, obviously had a major part in giving the Miami Heat the advantage after they fell in that hole"

[MiamiHeat]

Myth

I saw all the youtube videos and claims

There are pictures and it has been DISPROVEN with photo evidence. There were no phantom foul conspiracy.

If there were any bad calls, it went both ways, but most of the 'bad call' whining is a myth.

[HarlemHeat37]

Cuban on PTI was funny today, he said he wasn't going to comment on Donaghy because he's been fined so many times..he said he hasn't changed his stance on officiating at all though, obviously not surprising..

[mavs>spurs2]

"when bennet salvador made the call for the heat that majorly changed the series in game 5, what did he have to gain by making that call?"

"im not sure what he had to gain other than gaining good graces with the league"

[blink]

funny how some fans decide to side with donaghy when it's convenient for them and then diss other fans from other teams when it isnt.

[mavs>spurs2]

"crawford did brag about the fact that dallas only won one playoff game that he reffed, i believe now it's up to 1 and 15"

[mavs>spurs2]

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[Findog]

Most of Donaghy's claims just don't stand up to scrutiny.

[mavs>spurs2]

Obvious charge where wade just threw his body into harris

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[birdy219]

In 2006, the NBA finals absolutely, positively, without question was NOT going to be a REPEAT of the pistons/Spurs matchup. The refs unfortunately decided who would play in the finals and ultimately who would win the finals.

I did not watch the finals that year because I felt that it was rigged from the beginning. This was the first finals that I didn't watch in 43 years.

The entire BSPN crew kept whining to everybody about please not another snooze fest like 2005. Not one of them mentioned how great a series 2005 was from two evenly matched defensive minded, team oriented not media made teams.(Games 5-7 are classics for true basketball fans)

The refs main objective esp. (bavetta and j. crawford) was to ensure that there would be no Spurs. I can't really blame them for that; they were just bowing down to the powers that be ABC(Stern). The NBA is star driven and $ driven.

To answer the question.....yes the mavs were technically "robbed", but so were real basketball fans. IMO if games 3 and 4 were officiated fairly in the mavs/spurs series, then the mavs wouldn't have been there in the first place.

[MiamiHeat]

mavs_spurs

BOTH THOSE FOULS HAPPENED IN THE FIRST QUARTER

[mavs>spurs2]

:lmao look at this one. marquis ran away

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[jmill]

Two games I've watched where I was positive they were rigged

Game 6 of Lakers/Kings WCF, for the Lakers obv.

Game 4 of the Heat/Mavs NBA finals, for the Heat obv. Was just disgusting to watch.

I also think Game 2 of the Lakers/C's finals in 08 was embarassing, but as a Lakers fan, I don't really feel like I should ever complain about the refs, plus the C's completely destroyed LA in the closing game. So whatever.

[Def Rowe]

My perception is that Wade went off in the series, and then the Mavs choked.

[mavs>spurs2]

My perception is that Wade went off in the series, and then the Mavs choked.

and i perceive you as a dumbass. just watch the videos, they're for those of you who are slow or didn't watch the series. the kind of plays in the video happened ALL series long. Watch the 3rd one I posted as Marquis is literally running away and still gets called for the foul without touching Wade :lol

[Def Rowe]

Ok. I'll look into it, and watch some youtubes.

[jmill]

Ok. I'll look into it, and watch some youtubes.

Game 5- Mavs- 25 FTs, Heat- 49 FTs, Wade- 25 FTs

[MiamiHeat]

that video is from the 2nd quarter

So far, two fouls in the 1st quarter, and one foul from the 2nd quarter. WHERE ARE ALL THE GAME BREAKING FOULS THAT MADE THE MAVS LOSE 4 GAMES STRAIGHT?

[spurs10]

Dirk intentionally and admittedly hard fouled Tim in the last play of game 7 against the Spurs. Manu was also mugged pretty good on the same play. That game should have never gone to OT in the first place. No one was more shocked than Dirk. "Bad karma" indeed.

[mavs>spurs2]

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[MiamiHeat]

3rd quarter

STILL don't see any game breaking FT's that caused the mavs to lose 4 games in a row

[mavs>spurs2]

How's this for game breaking? The Whistler threw an elbow into Dirk and was awarded 2 game winning free throws for his efforts

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PS- lol, discrediting all the other horrible calls just because they weren't in the closing seconds as if they didn't affect the outcomes of the games. games are 48 minutes long son

[Def Rowe]

Moving pick.

[LakasRool4eva]

real champions dont make exuses. u need to just get back da gym & work harder at your game.......

[MiamiHeat]

PS- lol, discrediting all the other horrible calls just because they weren't in the closing seconds as if they didn't affect the outcomes of the games. games are 48 minutes long son

Dirk with the illegal movement trying to cut him off, he failed

and EVERY SINGLE GAME has bad calls, the better teams play through them and win.

None of those calls you posted were game breaking, 1st qtr, 2nd qtr, good teams win anyway.

[mavs>spurs2]

real champions dont make exuses. u need to just get back da gym & work harder at your game.......

Ok.

[MiamiHeat]

LOL @ whining that the games weren't PERFECTLY officiated so that the mavs could win.

like if no other teams go through stuff like this.

Face it, you weren't good enough. None of those fouls were game breaking.

[mavs>spurs2]

:lmao being handed 2 free throws to go ahead in the closing seconds isn't "gamebreaking" then I don't know what is

[mavs>spurs2]

Oh, and don't forget this little gem from the same game

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[spurs10]

Mavs<Spurs fan....watch a video of the last minute of game 7 in the Spurs series and it will make your "we got robbed" point a moot one.

[MiamiHeat]

:lmao being handed 2 free throws to go ahead in the closing seconds isn't "gamebreaking" then I don't know what is

The video on Dirk is a foul.

so that's your evidence? this is it? LOL

[badfish22]

ginoblili2duncan is jerking off on his computer seeing the fight he has caused.

[mavs>spurs2]

The video on Dirk is a foul.

so that's your evidence? this is it? LOL

dirk was moving parallel to wade and was just hit with an elbow. im not even going to consider debating that it was anything otherwise

[redzero]

Oh, and don't forget this little gem from the same game

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It looks like Wade caught the ball in the air.

[MiamiHeat]

Oh, and don't forget this little gem from the same game

2qDdzU8Dxj4


mavs>Spurs

PREPARE TO GET OWNED

PREPARE TO GET OWNED.

READY?

NBA RULES AND VIOLATIONS

Section III-The Throw-In

e. Any ball out-of-bounds in a team's frontcourt or at the midcourt line cannot be passed into the backcourt. On all backcourt and midcourt violations, the ball shall be awarded to the opposing team at the midcourt line, and must be passed into the frontcourt.
EXCEPTION: During the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period, the ball may be passed anywhere (frontcourt or backcourt) on the court.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_8.html?nav=ArticleList

THANK U COME AGAIN, NOW STFU

[Jacob1983]

So if you have the ball and elbow someone in the chest, it's not a foul? I always thought that was an offensive foul but hey I don't run the league. Darth Stern does. I am a Mavs fan but I will admit that the Mavs did choke somewhat in the NBA 2005 Finals but even with the choking, the Mavs should have won that series. However, it's hard to win a series when you guard a player that basically gets free throws every time he has the ball. The Mavs could simply just breathe on Wade and it would be a foul against the Mavs. There was nothing they could do. Stern had it in his mind that he wanted to screw Cuban and try to make Wade the next Jordan. And for all those people that jizz over Wade, if he was so great in the Finals, why did he have to shoot so many free throws to see his team win by 3 points or less in 3 of the Heat's 4 wins in the Finals? Seriously, Wade had to shoot almost 100 FTs just so the Heat barely won those games. That doesn't sound very impressive if you ask me. The Mavs played shitty and Wade got calls and made his FTs but the Mavs only lost 3 of the games by a few points. The Heat's championship* will probably go down as one of the least impressive and most forgettable ones in NBA history. And if Wade is such a great player, why hasn't he done anything since 2006? I will always remember Wade as a guy that made a lot of FTs in 4 games of the NBA Finals and as a guy that was a big pussy after getting hurt in a game.

[mavs>spurs2]

MiamiHeat, the point is that it's not just one or two calls that threw the series, it's the fact that those are just several examples out of the hundreds of bad calls that series. Those kinds of plays happened left and right for 48 minutes. It was ridiculous, and I've heard tons of unbiased fans of other teams say as much. This board is pretty anti all things mav, and even some here have agreed in this thread

[Frank Lucas]

MiamiHeat is just mad that his wife heated up pizza. No point in arguing with him.

[mavs>spurs2]

I agree bro. MiamiCheat is nothing but a retarded dumbass born from the vagina of a bitch, who probably doesn't know whom the kid's dad is.

:lmao

[Frank Lucas]

I agree bro. MiamiCheat is nothing but a retarded dumbass born from the vagina of a bitch, who probably doesn't know whom the kid's dad is.


:lmao

[Jacob1983]

What about the missed call at the end of game 6 where you can clearly see Gary Payton pull on Jason Terry's jersey?

[mavs>spurs2]

What about the missed call at the end of game 6 where you can clearly see Gary Payton pull on Jason Terry's jersey?

there's that too. the list is endless bro and thanks to cuban, everyone hates us and refuse recognize it. as mav fans we just have to quietly know deep down that we're the real 2006 champs

[Jacob1983]

I bet Donaghy probably has some interesting things to say about the 2006 Finals. Why hasn't David Stern paid him off or had him whacked? You would think that Lord Stern would have done a better job of keeping this whole Donaghy thing quiet. Epic fail on Stern's part. If there's one dirty ref, then there are probably others.

[badfish22]

mavs>Spurs

PREPARE TO GET OWNED

PREPARE TO GET OWNED.

READY?

NBA RULES AND VIOLATIONS

Section III-The Throw-In

e. Any ball out-of-bounds in a team's frontcourt or at the midcourt line cannot be passed into the backcourt. On all backcourt and midcourt violations, the ball shall be awarded to the opposing team at the midcourt line, and must be passed into the frontcourt.
EXCEPTION: During the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period, the ball may be passed anywhere (frontcourt or backcourt) on the court.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_8.html?nav=ArticleList

THANK U COME AGAIN, NOW STFU


Wow. Just wow. I don't even know where to begin here.

[picc84]

You can start tomorrow night, in Miami.