exercise of thought

[boston.balla]

If all players in the league with more than 30 years would be 5 years younger, who'd win the league?

Another bet at work, my pick is celts, buddy's is spurs.

[Mike D]

I don't think there's any conclusion that can be drawn, as a fair amount of players wouldn't be on their current team if 5 years younger. For example, Rasheed and Finley would be making significantly more money and thus not on their current rosters. Would a Marbury type character be wanted if 5 years younger?

Too many hypotheticals.

[hater]

wouldn't it pretty much balance it out.

Spurs, Celtics would still be contenders. Lakers favorites

[DAF86]

Young Duncan, Manu, McDyess, Finley and Ratliff (He would be the starting center) + Tony, RJ, Blair, Hill, Bonner, Mason.

Spurs easily, IMO.

[Culburn369]

Leastways Rome wouldn't had ta school Pop.

[Shastafarian]

Are we also assuming no injuries or what?

Lakers, Spurs, and Celtics would be the 3 best.

Lakers:

Fisher - 30 years old
Kobe - 26 years old (35.4PPG/5.3RPG/4.5APG)
Artest - coming off his best offensive year (24.6/6.4/3.1) and still in his defensive prime
Pau - Only 29
Bynum - Only 22

Odom - averaged a 15 & 10 that season

Celtics:

Rondo - Only 23
Ray Allen - 23.9/4.4/3.7 and the best player on his team
Paul Pierce - 21.6/6.6/4.2
KG - 22.2/13.5/5.7 basically in his prime
Sheed - 14 & 8 but physically in his prime and that particular season he was at least somewhat motivated

Spurs:

Le Pew - Only 27
Manu - 16.0/4.4/3.9 should've won finals MVP and was still a game changer
Richard Jefferson - Only 29
Tim Duncan - 20 & 11 in what had been the fewest minutes/game of his career.
Antonio Mcdyess - 9 & 6 in 23 MPG. Averaged out to 35 minutes that's a 13 & 9

Finley - 15 and 4 and could still jump

[DAF86]

Spurs:

Le Pew - Only 27
Manu - 16.0/4.4/3.9 should've won finals MVP and was still a game changer
Richard Jefferson - Only 29
Tim Duncan - 20 & 11 in what had been the fewest minutes/game of his career.
Antonio Mcdyess - 9 & 6 in 23 MPG. Averaged out to 35 minutes that's a 13 & 9

Finley - 15 and 4 and could still jump

You're forgetting Ratliff, he would play a big role on that team. And Manu's regular season numbers doesn't do him justice, he was easily a top 10-15 player that season.

[JamStone]

Boston would be extremely scary.

[Shastafarian]

You're forgetting Ratliff, he would play a big role on that team. And Manu's regular season numbers doesn't do him justice, he was easily a top 10-15 player that season.

I looked at Ratliff's numbers and was wavering on including him. It was his first full season in Portland and he only played 63 games (started 45). He averaged 27.5 minutes a game and the only stat that needs mentioning is his 2.5 blocks per game. I think Mcdyess would have a bigger affect on the team.

[Greg Oden]

You're forgetting Ratliff, he would play a big role on that team. And Manu's regular season numbers doesn't do him justice, he was easily a top 10-15 player that season.

He's never been a top 20 player. Stop making things up.

[IronMexican]

Probably Spurs.

[Goran Dragic]

He's never been a top 20 player. Stop making things up.


But he ALMOST won finals MVP!

[DAF86]

He's never been a top 20 player. Stop making things up.

Mavs fan is mad?

[Greg Oden]

Mavs fan is mad?

No they probably just know he's never been a top 20 player.

[Goran Dragic]

I'd probably go with Boston. Pierce would be 27, Ray Ray would be 29, Sheed would be 30, and KG would be 28. They'd also have an advantage cause the two other hypothetically beastly teams (LA and SA) would be in the same conference and Boston would have an easier road to the finals.

[Killakobe81]

I'd probably go with Boston. Pierce would be 27, Ray Ray would be 29, Sheed would be 30, and KG would be 28. They'd also have an advantage cause the two other hypothetically beastly teams (LA and SA) would be in the same conference and Boston would have an easier road to the finals.

Boston at face value would be sick and the faves ...but in reality that team would of lacked the chemistry of SA or LA (though Ron would of been wilder than as well)

[Goran Dragic]

Boston at face value would be sick and the faves ...but in reality that team would of lacked the chemistry of SA or LA (though Ron would of been wilder than as well)


Why do you think they'd lack chemistry? Maybe Pierce would be a problem, but I don't see Sheed, Allen or KG as players who ever caused problems. IMO they be as willing to sacrifice personal stats for a championship as they are now.

[jonnybravo]

Boston. Hands down.

[mogrovejo]

Boston easily. Pierce, Garnett, Ray were All-NBA material and Sheed was in his prime.

[DAF86]

I know all you stats loving fucks won't understand this but Manu > Pierce or Allen 5 years ago.

[Goran Dragic]

I know all you stats loving fucks won't understand this but Manu > Pierce or Allen 5 years ago.


I know all you Euroleague loving fucks won't understand this but Pierce and Allen > Manu 5 years ago.

[DAF86]

I know all you Euroleague loving fucks won't understand this but Pierce and Allen > Manu 5 years ago.

Goran Dragic knows that Manu > Allen or Pierce.

[Greg Oden]

I know all you stats loving fucks won't understand this but Manu > Pierce or Allen 5 years ago.

link? proof?

[DAF86]

link? proof?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge

[Goran Dragic]

5 years ago, Ray Allen led the Seattle Supersonics to 52 wins. Are you saying Manu would have been able to lead that team to more wins?

5 years ago, Paul Pierce led the Boston Celtics to 45 wins. Are you saying Manu would have been able to lead them to more wins?

[Goran Dragic]

Luke Ridnour
Manu Ginobili
Rashard Lewis
Reggie Evans
Jerome James

look like a > 52 win team to me!

[Greg Oden]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_retardation


Wrong link.

[benefactor]

If the Spurs still had Bruce Bowen on the team, I would give them the nod...but Boston with Sheed/Pierce/Shuttlesworth/Garnett is just too much to handle. I would say that the Spurs beat LA in 7 in the WCF then lose to the Celtics in 6 in the Finals.

The Cavs could be a bit of a sleeper team too. 5 years off of Shaq and Big Z to go with Lebron could make some noise.

[Greg Oden]

Luke Ridnour
Manu Ginobili
Rashard Lewis
Reggie Evans
Jerome James

look like a > 52 win team to me!

He wouldn't even be the best player on his team, which is a common theme for Manu.

[stretch]

its the celtics and its not even close. morons saying the spurs and lakers can go chug some dick

[DAF86]

5 years ago, Ray Allen led the Seattle Supersonics to 52 wins. Are you saying Manu would have been able to lead that team to more wins?

5 years ago, Paul Pierce led the Boston Celtics to 45 wins. Are you saying Manu would have been able to lead them to more wins?

Some years ago Ginobili won the silver medal (would have been gold if he had played in the final) in the wolrd cup played in Indianapolis playing with Pepe Sanchez, Andres Nocioni, Fabricio Oberto and Ruben Wolkowiski while Pierce ended up 6th playing with Reggie Miller, Baron Davis, Ben Wallace and Shawn Marion among others. Are you saying Pierce would have been able to lead that Argie team to more wins?

I know you don't give a fuck about this, but if you use that argument I can use this one.

[stretch]

Some years ago Ginobili won the silver medal (would have been gold if he had played in the final) in the wolrd cup played in Indianapolis playing with Pepe Sanchez, Andres Nocioni, Fabricio Oberto and Ruben Wolkowiski while Pierce ended up 6th playing with Reggie Miller, Baron Davis, Ben Wallace and Shawn Marion among others. Are you saying Pierce would have been able to lead that Argie team to more wins?

I know you don't give a fuck about this, but if you use that argument I can use this one.

thats completely different and you know it you moron.

its different when you have practiced and played on a team together for years, knowing each others roles and the game plans, whereas the US team was just a clusterfuck of stars that have never played together before.

[stretch]

lol argentina

[DAF86]

lol trollable

[Goran Dragic]

I know you don't give a fuck about this, but if you use that argument I can use this one.


Right, cause since we're talking about the NBA, me talking about the NBA is equivalent to you talking about the olympics.

[DAF86]

Right, cause since we're talking about the NBA, me talking about the NBA is equivalent to you talking about the olympics.

World Championship not the Olympics, and I'm just talikng about who is/was the better basketball player.

[Goran Dragic]

World Championship not the Olympics, and I'm just talikng about who is/was the better basketball player.


If you polled 30 GMs 5 years ago and asked all of them to rank Allen, Pierce and Manu from best to worst, at least 25 of them woud have Manu at #3 on the list.

[DAF86]

If you polled 30 GMs 5 years ago and asked all of them to rank Allen, Pierce and Manu from best to worst, at least 25 of them woud have Manu at #3 on the list.

Maybe, but they would be wrong.

[Goran Dragic]

Maybe, but they would be wrong.


:lmao I'm surprised you're not a GM given how you know so much more about than they do.

[DAF86]

:lmao I'm surprised you're not a GM given how you know so much more about than they do.

I'm sursprised too.

[Culburn369]

If you polled 30 GMs 5 years ago and asked all of them to rank Allen, Pierce and Manu from best to worst, at least 25 of them woud have Manu at #3 on the list.

This is true.

Here's another lone truth: Manu was Kobe's contemporary.

IF he'd:

A. been an American boy, born on American soil
B. stayed healthy

we'd a been feted with greatness.

[jacobdrj]

I can only imagine what Paul Pierce would look like with talent around him in his prime. Had he even something close to a good team around him, you all would be comparing him to the all time greats.

[DAF86]

This is true.

Here's another lone truth: Manu was Kobe's contemporary.

IF he'd:

A. been an American boy, born on American soil
B. stayed healthy

we'd a been feted with greatness.

I don't think Manu would have ever reached Kobe's level, I do think that if he would have landed at age 20/21 to the league and in a less talented team, now nobody would thinking that Allen and Pierce are better players than him.

[DAF86]

I can only imagine what Paul Pierce would look like with talent around him in his prime. Had he even something close to a good team around him, you all would be comparing him to the all time greats.

Allen > Pierce

[Goran Dragic]

B. stayed healthy


Manu's not the first player with health problems. No one puts Ralph Sampson in the same class as Kareem Abdul Jabbar just cause he was almost as good as Kareem when he was healthy.

[jacobdrj]

Allen < Pierce
Fixed

[Culburn369]

Manu's not the first player with health problems. No one puts Ralph Sampson in the same class as Kareem Abdul Jabbar just cause he was almost as good as Kareem when he was healthy.

Sampson was a bum, at prime. A black Shawn Bradley.

[Goran Dragic]

Sampson was a bum, at prime. A black Shawn Bradley.


Right cause Shawn Bradley had several 20 point 10 rebound seasons.

[stretch]

lol trollable

so if you are calling us trollable, then are you admitting that you are massively overrating manu?

[Goran Dragic]

so if you are calling us trollable, then are you admitting that you are massively overrating manu?


Yup! He's admitting all his Manu homerism was a joke the entire time. Good job trolling, I guess.

[Goran Dragic]

Sampson was a bum, at prime. A black Shawn Bradley.


If you were actually a Laker fan in the 80's like you claim to be, you would know how good Sampson was before his injuries.

[ginobili's bald spot]

The Celtics in a landslide.

[JJ Hickson]

If you were actually a Laker fan in the 80's like you claim to be, you would know how good Sampson was before his injuries.


Culburn exposed himself as a bandwagoner when he admitted that he never heard Chick Hearn announce a Lakers game. Apparently he was still a Suns fan back then.

[Goran Dragic]

Culburn exposed himself as a bandwagoner when he admitted that he never heard Chick Hearn announce a Lakers game. Apparently he was still a Suns fan back then.


:lmao I'm pretty sure he said he's never even lived in LA.

[Will Hunting]

I wonder what caused him to go from being a Suns fan to being a huge Suns hater. Did he try to molest Dan Majerle's kids and they said no or something?

[DAF86]

so if you are calling us trollable, then are you admitting that you are massively overrating manu?

No, I just find funny the word "trollable".

[Culburn369]

Culburn exposed himself as a bandwagoner when he admitted that he never heard Chick Hearn announce a Lakers game. Apparently he was still a Suns fan back then.

Never said such. I said I got my first NBA package just a smidge before Hearn died.

[Culburn369]

If you were actually a Laker fan in the 80's like you claim to be, you would know how good Sampson was before his injuries.

He was a certifiable bum before the injuries.

[Will Hunting]

He was a certifiable bum before the injuries.


So I take it you weren't a Lakers fan in 1986 when Houston beat them in 5 games with a series ending shot delivered by Ralph Sampson.

[Culburn369]

So I take it you weren't a Lakers fan in 1986 when Houston beat them in 5 games with a series ending shot delivered by Ralph Sampson.

Doesn't mean Sampson wasn't a bum.

[Will Hunting]

Doesn't mean Sampson wasn't a bum.


So 20 points and 10 rebounds is a bum in your mind?

[Culburn369]

Sampson, yes.

[Will Hunting]

Might I say it's rather ironic a jobless white trash child molester is calling other people bums.

[Will Hunting]

Sampson, yes.


Explain then how he was a bum?

[mogrovejo]

I know all you stats loving fucks won't understand this but Manu > Pierce or Allen 5 years ago.

You're nuts.

[Culburn369]

He had no game whatsoever, offense or defense. He was a bum.

[Venti Quattro]

I think the Lakers would at least win one.

[Will Hunting]

How the fuck does someone who puts up 20+ points and 10+ rebounds have "no game"?

[mogrovejo]

Allen > Pierce

You're beyond nuts.

[Culburn369]

How the fuck does someone who puts up 20+ points and 10+ rebounds have "no game"?

Because not everything is numbers, Will.

[Venti Quattro]

Because not everything is numbers, Will.
Case in point, Zach Randolph

[DAF86]

You're beyond nuts.

I'm talking about both of them at their primes, right now Pierce is the better player but I think that may be 'cause he takes more possesions on offense than Ray.

[Greg Oden]

Case in point, Zach Randolph

Zach Randolph is far from a bum.

[Muser]

Celtics would 3-peat at least.

[stretch]

No, I just find funny the word "trollable".

argentina is funnier

lol argentina

lol argentinian

[Culburn369]

Case in point, Zach Randolph

Outstanding citation.

[Culburn369]

Zach Randolph is far from a bum.

Its exactly what he is.

[mavs>spurs2]

He had no game whatsoever, offense or defense. He was a bum.

like kobe?

[Culburn369]

like kobe?

Please.

[mavs>spurs2]

Please.

I'm gonna tell you the same thing little Billy told you. The answer is NO, and begging won't do ya any good

[Culburn369]

It'll never end.

[mavs>spurs2]

nope, you've cemented your legacy as that weird old guy that gets constantly fucked with and shit on. congrats

[Chomag]

Can't say it would be the spurs because we all know Pop would not play them below 30. lol

[Culburn369]

congrats

lmvictoriousao!

[mavs>spurs2]

lmvictoriousao!

you didn't show the entire quote. you're victorious alright, at being a loser

don't be trying to be slick when the only thing you're good at not getting caught is molesting little kids. everything else is an epic fail

[Culburn369]

lmcontrollinao!

[mavs>spurs2]

lmcontrollinao!

yes, you control how deep you go and the speed of your strokes when you're raping little boys, but that's about it. you didn't have very much control over your life when it turned to shit. you're a 58 year old failure who's never had a job and bums off of his wife while you pathetically attempt to troll spurstalk

[z0sa]

Spurs or Celtics

[Culburn369]

yes, you control how deep you go and the speed of your strokes when you're raping little boys, but that's about it. you didn't have very much control over your life when it turned to shit. you're a 58 year old failure who's never had a job and bums off of his wife while you pathetically attempt to troll spurstalk

56, don't rush me.

tee, hee.