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InRareForm
12-15-2009, 06:20 PM
List your order of greatness (1 to 3) on drama shows of the '00 to '09 era

MiamiHeat
12-15-2009, 06:25 PM
only shows i watched during the 00s

Curb your enthusiasm
the sopranos
friends


that's it.

AZLouis
12-15-2009, 06:28 PM
1. Deadwood
2. Carnivale
3. Breaking Bad

EmptyMan
12-15-2009, 06:29 PM
1 The Wire
2 Lost
3 Dexter
4 Criminal Minds
5 Firefly

TheTruth
12-15-2009, 06:30 PM
Wire, Lost, Friday Night Lights

atxrocker
12-15-2009, 06:32 PM
drama only:
wire
sopranos
kingpin/dexter
mad men

CuckingFunt
12-15-2009, 06:40 PM
Can't do three.

1. The Wire
2. Six Feet Under
3. Mad Men
4. Dexter

That order could change from day-to-day, though. And is more about the other shows being amazing than about Dexter being sub-par.

baseline bum
12-15-2009, 06:42 PM
1. Sopranos
2. nothing
3. nothing

IronMexican
12-15-2009, 06:44 PM
friends


that's it.

how embarrassing.

ChumpDumper
12-15-2009, 06:56 PM
Why do white people love Friends?

MiamiHeat
12-15-2009, 07:11 PM
FRIENDS is hilarious, and the six actors work perfectly for each other. they each nailed their parts perfectly.

it's one of the most popular shows in world history.

you guys should give it a chance before you judge it

baseline bum
12-15-2009, 07:14 PM
Friends blows. The only good part of it was seeing Jennifer Aniston's hot ass early on before she starved herself into an ugly skinny fuck.

Xylus
12-15-2009, 07:15 PM
1a. Lost
1b. Battlestar Galactica
3. Arrested Development

An honorable mention goes to Frasier, which was great up until its series finale in 2004.

B-Hath
12-15-2009, 07:23 PM
Umm, didn't the OP say top "dramas"?

1. West Wing
2. Six Feet Under
3. Battlestar Galactica

ChumpDumper
12-15-2009, 07:24 PM
FRIENDS is hilarious, and the six actors work perfectly for each other. they each nailed their parts perfectly.

it's one of the most popular shows in world history.

you guys should give it a chance before you judge itYou seriously think that after ten seasons and and a decade of saturation syndication that there are people who haven't given that show a chance?

IronMexican
12-15-2009, 07:25 PM
1a. Lost
1b. Battlestar Galactica
3. Arrested Development

An honorable mention goes to Frasier, which was great up until its series finale in 2004.

AD counts as a drama? That's clearly #1.

Frenzy
12-15-2009, 07:26 PM
I haven't watched any of those shows.



Saw niptuck the other day it was pretty good.

B-Hath
12-15-2009, 07:29 PM
I haven't watched any of those shows.



Saw niptuck the other day it was pretty good.

I started on Nip-Tuck a while ago. It's some pretty wacky fun.

DPG21920
12-15-2009, 07:30 PM
Supranos
Southpark
King of Queens

If you are talking about shows that started in that time frame.

ChumpDumper
12-15-2009, 07:35 PM
Saw niptuck the other day it was pretty good.nip/tuck is sometimes intentionally and often unintentionally hilarious, but it's more a guilty pleasure than an actual good show. The Shield and Damages on FX are really good though they strain credulity.

I like CuckingFunt's list.

MiamiHeat
12-15-2009, 07:46 PM
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I know you laughed!

IronMexican
12-15-2009, 07:48 PM
I wont even watch the last video cause they can't spell hilarious.

ChumpDumper
12-15-2009, 07:53 PM
I wont even watch the last video cause they can't spell hilarious.I laughed at that.

monosylab1k
12-15-2009, 07:54 PM
1. The Wire
2. Breaking Bad
3. The Sopranos
4. Deadwood
5. Battlestar Galactica

stretch
12-15-2009, 07:55 PM
what kind of fucking gay shit are people posting these days? youtubes of friends?

go chug some dick you fucking faggots

stretch
12-15-2009, 07:55 PM
1. everybody loves raymond

marini martini
12-15-2009, 08:10 PM
what kind of fucking gay shit are people posting these days? youtubes of friends?

go chug some dick you fucking faggots


1. everybody loves raymond

:lmao

Duff McCartney
12-15-2009, 08:19 PM
Carnivale...that show was absolutely amazing. From start to finish I was glued every time a new episode came out.

Big Love is also rapidly becoming a show I always watch. Too bad they switched HBO to digital on Time Warner.

LOL texans
12-15-2009, 08:24 PM
1. The Wire
2. The Sopranos
3. Breaking Bad
4. Lost
5. Arrested Development

B-Hath
12-15-2009, 08:36 PM
I once again refer to the part where the OP stated DRAMAS.

MiamiHeat
12-15-2009, 08:38 PM
who the f watches drama's on tv?

soap opera type shows plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Sopranos was the exception though

Bender
12-15-2009, 09:58 PM
lol friends.

lol a guy admitting watching it.

Spurminator
12-15-2009, 09:59 PM
The Wire and The Sopranos were flawless.

A step below would be Six Feet Under, Lost, Big Love and Friday Night Lights.

Haven't gotten to Dexter yet and I'm working on Mad Men.

Bender
12-15-2009, 10:10 PM
Haven't seen any Wire yet, or Mad Men either. was thinking about getting a season of Mad Men on Netflix and checking it out.

holcs50
12-15-2009, 10:22 PM
Sons of Anarchy
Sons of Anarchy
Sons of Anarchy

iggypop123
12-15-2009, 11:12 PM
the wire is the only show i have seen completely. saw it over the summer. amazing, i especially like its pedagogical potential. sopranos so far season 1 is good. its so old though, everyone looks like they are from the 90's. feels weird, sigler isnt a hot slut yet. college was an amazing episode

mrsmaalox
12-16-2009, 02:00 AM
Of the dramas mentioned the only ones I have seen are The Sopranos and Six Feet Under, but I saw them from beginning to end.

mavs>spurs2
12-16-2009, 02:58 AM
Lie to Me is new but pretty damn good

Bukefal
12-16-2009, 07:19 AM
1. Sopranos
2. Sopranos
3. Sopranos
4. Sopranos
5. Sopranos

Really the best one ever, I still miss it.

leemajors
12-16-2009, 08:00 AM
1. Life on Mars (BBC)
2. Wire
3. Mad Men

JudynTX
12-16-2009, 09:41 AM
1. Lost
2. Lost
3. Lost

sonic21
12-16-2009, 09:43 AM
1. Lost
2. Lost
3. Lost

:tu

JudynTX
12-16-2009, 09:46 AM
:tu

February 2nd can't get here soon enough! :toast

EmptyMan
12-16-2009, 09:49 AM
oh shit, I forgot to add Jericho to my list.

peewee's lovechild
12-16-2009, 09:56 AM
1. Sopranos
2. Carnivale
3. The Wire
4. Deadwood
5. In Treatment

sonic21
12-16-2009, 09:59 AM
February 2nd can't get here soon enough! :toast

true.

All the series i follow have disappointed me this year (except House), i hope lost will be great.

peewee's lovechild
12-16-2009, 10:10 AM
true.

All the series i follow have disappointed me this year (except House), i hope lost will be great.

House has been a HUGE disappointment this season.

JudynTX
12-16-2009, 10:15 AM
true.

All the series i follow have disappointed me this year (except House), i hope lost will be great.

Someone showed me this, have you seen it? :D

The Gospel According to Lost

http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-According-Lost-Chris-Seay/dp/0849920728/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260976375&sr=1-17

sonic21
12-16-2009, 10:16 AM
House has been a HUGE disappointment this season.

really?

i've only watched the first 3 episodes so far and they were good. I need to download the remaining episodes though.

sonic21
12-16-2009, 10:23 AM
Someone showed me this, have you seen it? :D

The Gospel According to Lost

http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-According-Lost-Chris-Seay/dp/0849920728/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260976375&sr=1-17

Never heard of it. Is it worth buying?

JudynTX
12-16-2009, 10:24 AM
Never heard of it. Is it worth buying?

Not sure. I'm thinking of buying it, will let you know.

peewee's lovechild
12-16-2009, 10:41 AM
really?

i've only watched the first 3 episodes so far and they were good. I need to download the remaining episodes though.

The first three were solid, although things start to become pretty lame with the third episode. But, once you get into the whole President Dibala episode, everything just turns to complete crap.

The start of the season held so much promise, what with House have to deal his personal demons and getting check mated at every turn by Andre Brauer (forgot his character's name).

Then, after he leaves the mental ward and goes back to work, it just gets all sorts of stupid.

I will say this, the mid-season finale was pretty damn good. It is Wilson-centered and it gives the show that added weight, gravitas if you will, that it sorely missed for the majority of the season.

However, overall, so far the season has been just a HUGE disappointment.

Dr Cox
12-16-2009, 11:48 AM
1. dexter
2. niptuck (1 and 2 can flip)
3. house
4. crash

Comedy (this list doesnt matter at all but imo)
1. scrubs
2. arrested dev.
3. family guy

atxrocker
12-16-2009, 11:49 AM
While I sometimes enjoy a good scrubs episode, there is no fucking way it ranks higher than Arrested Developement. No way.

Mark in Austin
12-16-2009, 12:31 PM
1. The Wire
2. Deadwood

I haven't seen Dexter yet. Though I liked the Sopranos, there were times, especially during the last seasons, where it felt a little bloated (no pun intended).

I'm also really starting to like Burn Notice on USA when I've caught it.

The Gemini Method
12-16-2009, 12:46 PM
1.)Dexter -- gets 1st nod because of its originality...
2.)The Sopranos -- Gritty, visceral, and epic...got a little redundant and listless towards the end, but great enough.
3.)Six Feet Under -- Dealt with death from what it is; death. The show that launched Michael C. Hall's career.
4.)The Wire -- Very well-written and completely let its realism dance the night away. Baltimore is no joke...
5.)Dead Like Me -- Very too brief run, it had a mixture of both drama and wit. One of the better shows of the past decade that many probably have never heard of up to this point.

*Honorable Mention: Californication, The Shield, Deadwood, Carnivale...
*Honrable Mention for a mini-series: Band of Brothers

Blake
12-16-2009, 12:53 PM
1. lost
2. heroes
3. house

Blake
12-16-2009, 12:54 PM
February 2nd can't get here soon enough! :toast

it feels like it's been years since I've last seen lost

EmptyMan
12-16-2009, 02:02 PM
Deadwood, Firefly, & Jericho all died long before their time.

I'll include Jericho since they had to wrap it up after cancellation and just say $%^& it, "we'll end it with Texas saving the entire country."

Bender
12-16-2009, 08:28 PM
Firefly
that was a pretty good show. I hardly know anyone who has ever heard of it.

MiamiHeat
12-16-2009, 09:15 PM
I used to watch Firefly a little bit, then that movie SERENITY came out and is aw that too

resistanze
12-16-2009, 09:28 PM
The Wire, Damages, Breaking Bad.

atxrocker
12-16-2009, 10:13 PM
Damn, been so long since i've seen it that I had forgotten about Damages. It deserves honorable mention at a minimum, really dug it.

ChumpDumper
12-17-2009, 04:18 AM
True, I'm kind of eager to see where Damages goes next. I have no idea what they could do. Props to FX for sticking with the show.

IronMexican
09-21-2010, 01:07 AM
Just finished the Wire. Shit just got real. Greatness, it was.


I go
1. The Wire
2. Breaking Bad


And those are the only two drama's I've ever watched from beginning(Or at least all of the current episodes of) to end.

HarlemHeat37
09-21-2010, 01:22 AM
IM, you ever watch The OC?..

Xylus
09-21-2010, 01:24 AM
My list has changed only slightly over the last year:

1. Battlestar Galactica
2. Breaking Bad
3. Lost

Just started watching Mad Men and Weeds, will eventually start The Wire.

IronMexican
09-21-2010, 01:24 AM
Yes. No, I didn't. I did have a friend who used to miss MNF for it, though.

sonic21
09-21-2010, 03:24 AM
x-files
lost
dexter
weeds

never heard of the wire before. I'll try to watch it.

AnthonyM
09-21-2010, 03:30 AM
1. Dexter
2. Breaking Bad
3. Mad Men

Never saw The Wire, but I'm going to torrent it soon to give me something to watch during the weeks in the fall season while I wait for Dexter, Boardwalk Empires, and Eastbound and Down on Sunday nights.

Never saw the Sopranos either but I saw the last episode. I might watch it some day in the future but if I had seen it I'm sure I'd probably have it number one, and The Wire would probably be two.

SpursNextRomanEmpire
09-21-2010, 09:56 AM
Carnivale
Skins
Lost

IronMaxipad
09-21-2010, 04:45 PM
Drama:

1. The Wire
2. The Shield
3. Six Feet Under (Best finale ever)
4. Friday Night Lights
5. Breaking Bad
6. Battlestar Galactica
7. Dexter
8. Lost
9. Firefly/Serenity

Shows im way behind on so couldn't put them on the list yet:
Sopranos (S2)
Deadwood (S1)
Carnivale (S1)
Sons of Anarchy (S2)

Also left out Dramedys

phxspurfan
09-21-2010, 06:44 PM
1. Alias 2. Band of Brothers 3. The Pacific

phxspurfan
09-21-2010, 06:45 PM
The Unit should be up there too somewhere

phxspurfan
09-21-2010, 06:45 PM
2. niptuck (1 and 2 can flip)


nice

Oh, Gee!!
09-22-2010, 12:48 PM
The Wire and The Sopranos. The Mind of the Married Man (HBO) only ran two seasons, but it would have been great if it lasted longer.

balli
09-22-2010, 01:00 PM
The Wire is one of the best complete works produced by humanity. Movies, tv, novels, whatever- The Wire is the cream of the crop. It's a classic work, no different than any of history's all-time greats.

Twin Peaks was fantastic.

The Sopranos was okay, I've seen every episode twice, but it's over-rated. IMO.

I watched all of Firefly and thought it was uneven and poorly written and poorly acted at times. Some episodes were just stupid and fake and boring. Some were just okay.

I saw the first episode of Dexter and it was very good, but I never got into it.

I was going to watch Boardwalk, but fuck it, life's too short.

I've never seen Lost, FNL, 24, Breaking Bad or anything else really. I guess I just don't really like TV all that much.

For drama anyway; re-runs of Curb and Seinfeld are a constant in my life.

resistanze
09-22-2010, 01:04 PM
1. The Wire
2. Breaking Bad
3. Not sure yet

I have about 100 GB of shows I haven't watched yet (Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Hung, Mad Men, The shield, etc.)

Spurminator
09-22-2010, 01:04 PM
I fucking love TV.

We are in a golden age right now. While there is a whole lot of crap out there, cable networks have really stepped up their game in terms of producing quality scripted programming.

CuckingFunt
09-22-2010, 01:08 PM
1. The Wire
2. Breaking Bad
3. Not sure yet

I have about 100 GB of shows I haven't watched yet (Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Hung, Mad Men, The shield, etc.)

"Six Feet Under" and "Mad Men" are worth making the time.

The first season of "Treme" was great, too.

CuckingFunt
09-22-2010, 01:10 PM
I fucking love TV.

We are in a golden age right now. While there is a whole lot of crap out there, cable networks have really stepped up their game in terms of producing quality scripted programming.

Agree wholeheartedly. There are some amazing things being produced right now.

balli
09-22-2010, 01:12 PM
The first season of "Treme" was great, too.
I thought it was fantastic. Really great. I was pissed they didn't win emmy's, or get nominated. I don't know why hollywood hates David Simon so much.

Having said that, I can't figure out if I really liked it and if it's really as good as it seemed, or whether I'm wearing the rosy-glasses of a pro David Simon bias. Obviously, it was good, I'm just not sure it's as good as my subjective feelings have led me to believe.

Spurminator
09-22-2010, 01:14 PM
I love David Simon, and I liked Treme a lot, but unlike The Wire, it's probably not something I'll give repeated viewings to.

MannyIsGod
09-22-2010, 01:23 PM
1a. Lost
2b. The West Wing

Don't know after that. I liked the Sopranos but I dunno - I probably like Dexter more.

CuckingFunt
09-22-2010, 01:23 PM
I thought it was fantastic. Really great. I was pissed they didn't win emmy's, or get nominated. I don't know why hollywood hates David Simon so much.

Having said that, I can't figure out if I really liked it and if it's really as good as it seemed, or whether I'm wearing the rosy-glasses of a pro David Simon bias. Obviously, it was good, I'm just not sure it's as good as my subjective feelings have led me to believe.

I've watched it through a couple times now and I'm certain it really is as good as I thought it was at first viewing, but I didn't think it was as good as "The Wire." If that makes sense. David Simon is all over it, and Simon is greatness, but I'm not certain it was David Simon at the top of his game. Yet. Some of the character arcs feel incomplete (possibly unnecessary, in a few cases), and there are some issues raised that I thought needed to be fleshed out a bit more, but I think that's to be expected from a first season.

Especially the first season of a David Simon show. The first season of "The Wire" is a bajillion times better because of what came after it, I think, than it would have been on its own, for instance. As long as HBO stays with it, I think "Treme" has the potential to be just as good.

MannyIsGod
09-22-2010, 01:23 PM
BTW very suprised to see only one other mention of the West Wing. Amazing show.

leemajors
09-22-2010, 01:28 PM
I thought it was fantastic. Really great. I was pissed they didn't win emmy's, or get nominated. I don't know why hollywood hates David Simon so much.

Having said that, I can't figure out if I really liked it and if it's really as good as it seemed, or whether I'm wearing the rosy-glasses of a pro David Simon bias. Obviously, it was good, I'm just not sure it's as good as my subjective feelings have led me to believe.

It is weird, Wire was far superior to Sopranos. It isn't even close.

CuckingFunt
09-22-2010, 01:33 PM
I don't like "The Sopranos." At all. Don't even know why, really. It's got a great cast, fairly good writing (the episodes I've seen), and I generally like the mafia genre when well done. But, for whatever reason, I can't make myself care about anyone or anything that happens in that show.

Too contrived, maybe.

oh crap
09-22-2010, 01:51 PM
The Wire was better (can't think of any shows it's not better than) but I still fucking love the Sopranos. It was at times amazing.

leemajors
09-22-2010, 01:52 PM
BTW very suprised to see only one other mention of the West Wing. Amazing show.

You should check out State of Play, a BBC show they absolutely butchered with that Russell Crowe movie. The cast was ridiculous: John Simm, Philip Glenister, Bill Nighy, Kelly McDonald, and James McAvoy. 6 part serial with one hour episodes. Once I watched Life on Mars I wanted to see everything Simm and Glenister had done.

IronMaxipad
09-22-2010, 04:13 PM
BTW very suprised to see only one other mention of the West Wing. Amazing show.

The West Wing was great until Sorkin left. Season 1-4 was some of the best tv ever.

Fabbs
09-22-2010, 04:46 PM
Rescue Me the 1st 3 seasons were great.
4 start okay.
4 1/2 on complete suckage.

resistanze
09-22-2010, 05:31 PM
"Six Feet Under" and "Mad Men" are worth making the time.

The first season of "Treme" was great, too.

I have Treme as well. The shows just never stop - it's a good thing for me many of these shows have ended. I aim to finish all these shows by the new year.

DeadlyDynasty
09-22-2010, 06:08 PM
1. The Wire*

simply the greatest show I've ever seen.

in a similar vein (but on network TV and during the 1990s): Homicide*



*Both take place in B-more:lol

DJ Mbenga
09-22-2010, 07:03 PM
the wire
breaking bad
mad men
sopranos(cant deny the series that started the cable tv craze)

leemajors
09-22-2010, 08:05 PM
the wire
breaking bad
mad men
sopranos(cant deny the series that started the cable tv craze)

Uhh, HBO had been showing critically acclaimed original series long before Sopranos.

resistanze
09-22-2010, 10:32 PM
I'm gonna put Third Watch as my #3 show. I still need to watch the series beginning to end, though.

oh crap
09-22-2010, 10:48 PM
Third watch was a really good show, had forgot about it.

MannyIsGod
09-22-2010, 10:54 PM
Oh yeah, Ive caught some third watch and extremely enjoyed it.

Cant_Be_Faded
09-22-2010, 11:49 PM
I recently watched the first season of the wire. Pretty fuckin tight show. I'm trying to get mookie into it but he needs more explosions and less dialogue.

monosylab1k
09-23-2010, 12:08 AM
tbh I loved The Wire but got sick of Treme incredibly fast.

IronMexican
09-23-2010, 12:09 AM
I recently watched the first season of the wire. Pretty fuckin tight show. I'm trying to get mookie into it but he needs more explosions and less dialogue.

Not a lof of explosions and stuff like that in season 2. Season 3 and 4 have more, though.

TheTruth
09-23-2010, 09:34 AM
Treme was fantastic. West Wing would have been #4 on my list. I'm on of the few that loved the last season with Jimmy Smits. Dexter is now firmly in my top 5. Awesome show.

1. The Wire
2. Lost
3. Friday Night Lights
4. West Wing
5. Dexter

Fringe, Law and Order SVU, Deadwood, and ER would be in the top 10 also.

cornbread
09-23-2010, 02:54 PM
1. Six Feet Under
2. Sopranos
3. John Adams

DJ Mbenga
09-23-2010, 05:37 PM
Uhh, HBO had been showing critically acclaimed original series long before Sopranos.

yeah but i dont think they were getting 9 million a episode with oz were they?

SpursFanFirst
09-23-2010, 11:10 PM
1) Friday Night Lights 2) Dexter (I've developed a serious addiction!) and 3) I have no clue...maybe ER?

SpursFanFirst
09-23-2010, 11:17 PM
I saw the first episode of Dexter and it was very good, but I never got into it.

I never would have chosen this show on my own, but I'm so glad I was talked into giving it a try.
Seasons 1 & 2 were good...3 was OK...but 4...OH MY GOODNESS! It was AMAZING! Season 5 starts in a few days.

leemajors
09-23-2010, 11:20 PM
yeah but i dont think they were getting 9 million a episode with oz were they?

Fraggle Rock was pretty damn popular, esp considering the limited number of cable sets with HBO at the time.

TE
09-25-2010, 04:08 AM
1. House
2. House
3. House

Kamala
09-25-2010, 10:15 PM
1 The Wire (All teachers, police, politicians, and people in social services should be required to watch season 4).
2 Lost
3 Dexter (last season's ending was so damn twisted)

Honorable mention: Six Feet Under It had the best finale I've ever seen.

Poirot
09-27-2010, 11:43 PM
My favorites

1. Twin Peaks
2. Deadwood
3. Battlestar Galactica

All three faltered towards their end though.

Dr. Gonzo
01-18-2011, 11:39 PM
The Sopranos is better than The Wire but it's still a great show. I just finished the 3rd season.

The intro sucks dick though.

IronMaxipad
01-19-2011, 12:33 AM
My favorites

1. Twin Peaks
2. Deadwood
3. Battlestar Galactica

All three faltered towards their end though.
:toast

YES! Twin Peaks is Fantastic!! One of the greatest shows of all time.

JudynTX
01-19-2011, 11:24 AM
1) LOST
2) Dexter
3) Sopranos

Viva Las Espuelas
01-19-2011, 11:29 AM
1. House
2. House
3. House

You may know but what's the show's connection with Sherlock Holmes?

Mark in Austin
01-19-2011, 02:21 PM
Now that I've seen some of Dexter I'm not blown away. It's a solid show, but not in the pantheon. One show I need to add to the list: Justified. (http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/justified/) I think it is the best written show on TV right now. I love it.

Honorable mention to Glee. Didn't watch the first season but caught some of the episodes on Hulu and have seen the second season - it might be one of the most subtly subversive shows ever put on air. And the fact it's on fox just makes it even more delicious.

Duff McCartney
01-19-2011, 04:30 PM
1.Carnivale
2. Sopranos
3. Deadwood

I want to see how Big Love plays out because it's my weekly show that I never miss and it's on the last season. It could be top 3 all time for me.

vy65
01-19-2011, 04:52 PM
Even though it's technically not a drama, I'm surprised no one mentioned Californication.

Could argue that it's better than AD.

balli
01-19-2011, 04:55 PM
The Sopranos is better than The Wire-

The intro sucks dick though.

NkEOvVa6KeQ

IronMaxipad
01-19-2011, 05:00 PM
Even though it's technically not a drama, I'm surprised no one mentioned Californication.

Could argue that it's better than AD.

NkEOvVa6KeQ