The Official Tony Parker Sucks Thread

[itzsoweezee]

spurs would be better with hill starting over this shitty passing, no defense playing, tony parker

[superjames1992]

I think you're going a bit overboard, but Tony definitely isn't playing like he did last year; that's for sure.

[Creation88]

hey tony go fuck yourself, you already fucked us playing this summer.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

get real dude parker is playing like a deying fetus out there

he's more invisible than jefferson. Sure hope the french team enjoyed getting their asses whipped this summer.

[anonoftheinternets]

^ t his is not possible...if it wasnt for onscreen rosters i wouldnt know we even traded for rj

[ezau]

is a fucking scrub without TD. It's time to trade this undersized combo guard while he still has some trade value.

[Marco]

Add ducks with him.

[TIMMYD!]

He did suck tonight but he wasn't alone... cough*RJ*cough

[ezau]

Yeah. RJ is one massive disappointment this season. 14 million dollars my ass

[HarlemHeat37]

Gotta love Summer ball..

[xtremesteven33]

Trade Parker for Nash.

[Spurs Brazil]

1st of all I understand players option to play for their countries

But TP and Manu doing that in the last 2 years is killing the Spurs

TP is playing bad this season. He's speed is nowhere near the last 3 or 4 years and his D is the worst of his NBA career

Again, I understand their choices but I'm mad because is really killing the Spurs

[MmP]

Spurs Brazil, you kinda disappoint me with that Post...I thought you had a better vision about national teams being brazilian.

To me he's kinda adjusting to RJ and Dice, as everyone else. He'll be fine.

[spurtech09]

stupid thread

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Parker and Richard Jefferson should be known as the Team Invisible.

[EricB]

This thread proves how far this forum has fallen. You peopleare pathetic..

[jag]

lol anyone who thinks Hill has the ability to lead this team at PG.

[Josepatches_]

And There is a FIBA world championship in 2010

[ItsOnlyDecember]

yeah guys lets all calm down for a second. its a December game for crying out loud

[Kori Ellis]

He should take 2 weeks off and get healthy. He's obviously a step (or three) slow and lacking lift. But he doesn't deserve beaten down by fans just for struggling.

[Josepatches_]

lol anyone who thinks Hill has the ability to lead this team at PG.

Well,we played better when he was the PG last year than we are playing now.

[spursnatic]

Trade Parker for Nash.
I wouldn't mind, but Nash is a run and gun system type of guy...We are more of a half court set team...So it really wouldn't work out too well?...Now if we had some younger, jump out of the gym type of guys Spurs and Nash couldn't be fucked with!!!...

[timvp]

Parker got no help on pick-and-roll defense to start the game, then panicked to make up for it on the other end ... which resulted in a damn horrible performance.

[DPG21920]

He is obviously not healthy. He said so and you can see it. Pop needs to step up and tell Parker to sit down. He is not helping himself or the team.

Fans are fickle however and this is to be expected. I honestly 100% believe the fans would be much easier on TP if Ducks was not so outrageous.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Trade Parker for Nash.


Hell, trade little tp, and the worthless 3, Dice, RJ & Bogan, to anybody for anything. This Spurs squad has become the joke of the NBA. But, after tonight Phoenix wouldn't give us their best ballboy for those 4 bums. Bring back Bowen, Thomas and Oberto. We were no where as bad with them old geezers.

[Mugen]

lol at this thread.

[Chieflion]

LOL Tony Parker.

[spursnatic]

He should take 2 weeks off and get healthy. He's obviously a step (or three) slow and lacking lift. But he doesn't deserve beaten down by fans just for struggling.That's very true?.....But what happened to that outside shot he developed over the last few years?...That was making him completely un-guardable...

[Quiet Strength]

He should take 2 weeks off and get healthy. He's obviously a step (or three) slow and lacking lift. But he doesn't deserve beaten down by fans just for struggling.

I agree with this.. Parker is sucking ass right now but we all know he is a way better player than he has been this season. I agree that he should take some time off and get healthy.

[ducks]

nash last 5 games 24 points 11 assist
so I guess other players must suck as much as tp to then

[Kori Ellis]

That's very true?.....But what happened to that outside shot he developed over the last few years?...That was making him completely un-guardable...

No lift on his jumper, his teardrop, etc.

[Chieflion]

nash last 5 games 24 points 11 assist
so I guess other players must suck as much as tp to then
Nash> Every PG except Deron Williams and Chris Paul

You fail, ducks, now STFU. Go back and suck on TP's dick.

[Spurs Brazil]

Spurs Brazil, you kinda disappoint me with that Post...I thought you had a better vision about national teams being brazilian.

To me he's kinda adjusting to RJ and Dice, as everyone else. He'll be fine.

You're right. Being Brazilian I understand this guys will to play for their NT teams.

But as a Spurs fan I'm very mad at this situation. But again, I understand and respect Manu and TP decisions

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I have never seen Parker make so many bad passes throughout an entire game since 2002. He looked like a first year crazy herky jerky euro out there, except very slow and not excited to play.

Very sad watching your best player age like a 6 year meth addict.

[ducks]

tp has owned the suns the last few years

[EricB]

Hell, trade little tp, and the worthless 3, Dice, RJ & Bogan, to anybody for anything. This Spurs squad has become the joke of the NBA. But, after tonight Phoenix wouldn't give us their best ballboy for those 4 bums. Bring back Bowen, Thomas and Oberto. We were no where as bad with them old geezers.



"spurs fans are idiots" -Marcus Bryant


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[ducks]

Nash> Every PG except Deron Williams and Chris Paul

You fail, ducks, now STFU.
nash 2 assist for one turnover
when healthy tp is like that or better

[TJastal]

He should take 2 weeks off and get healthy. He's obviously a step (or three) slow and lacking lift. But he doesn't deserve beaten down by fans just for struggling.

2 weeks? He needs more like 3 months off

[ducks]

oh suns won last year game one
spurs won the next three

[Kori Ellis]

I have never seen Parker make so many bad passes throughout an entire game since 2002. He looked like a first year crazy herky jerky euro out there, except very slow and not excited to play.

Very sad watching your best player age like a 6 year meth addict.

:lol

He admitted he came back quickly from injury. He should sit down for a week or two.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Parker being injured does not excuse him from criticism. Like I said, I sure hope he had fun getting Team France's ass kicked to pieces over the summer.

[Kori Ellis]

2 weeks? He needs more like 3 months off

Did you examine his ankle to deduce that? :lol

[Flux451]

Tony doesn't look good. REST PLEASE. LET HILL SHINE

[ElNono]

I'm not going to pile on TP... but Pop needs to figure out there's something wrong and sit his ass until he feels better. He just can't help us like this...

[Chieflion]

nash 2 assist for one turnover
when healthy tp is like that or better
Ok, go and pray to the Parker statue back at home, ducks.

[Flux451]

I knew once he went back in we would lose our momentum. Too bad you have to realize that since he is our start.

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

yea...i believe he said his reason for returning earlier than scheduled was because the spurs were losing games, but he's clearly not helping right now ,thus need to just rest.

[z0sa]

Tony's clearly hindered.. sadly, there's no rest for the weary, at least the weary who want to contend. If our w/l was better, it'd help a lot.

[Kori Ellis]

Ok, go and pray to the Parker statue back at home, ducks.

Use your ignore list... Ducks doesn't even really like TP -- it's an act that started to piss off Manu fans because he doesn't like Manu.

[DPG21920]

Ducks, please, if you truly care about TP, please stop talking about him. You make no sense and you actually cause people to turn on him.

[timvp]

I think TP can play his way to health. He's not as injured as he was in 2008 when he could barely run and had to miss a few weeks. He's not 100% but I don't think he's so injured that he has to be shut down.

TP needs to up the intensity and enthusiasm out of preseason mode. He's been able to sleepwalk in regular seasons in the past but this team doesn't have enough cohesion to play without energy.

Overall, I think TP's struggles this season are overstated by most but he definitely needs to raise his level of play a few notches if the Spurs have a prayer to be elite. If he keeps playing at this level, the Spurs are one and done in the playoffs.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Perrenial fans of a given team start to pick up on trends, on cycles, continuities in regards to discussion about their team.

For us as Spurs fans, we have to constantly face and stomach and swallow the fact that our foreign players wear the fuck out of themselves over the summer, and the human body just cannot tolerate this no matter how hardy the player is. Ginobili at least won a Gold medal in one of his endeavors. But I was still pissed like no other at his foreign ass for playing last olympics on a HURT ANKLE when any intelligent human in their right mind knew the USA was going to steamroll the competition like Miami against UT in the cottonbowl.

Parker playing last summer was just flat out senseless.
And here we are again. Watching our players age super fast and struggling to stay above .500

[Xevious]

He did suck tonight but he wasn't alone... cough*RJ*cough
Ginobili didn't exactly do a bang up job himself. Duncan can only do so much all by himself.

[Chieflion]

Use your ignore list... Ducks doesn't even really like TP -- it's an act that started to piss off Manu fans because he doesn't like Manu.
Just messing with ducks, Kori, I am not mad at him, just having fun. His schtick is getting old and lame fast though.

[VI_Massive]

Parker got no help on pick-and-roll defense to start the game, then panicked to make up for it on the other end ... which resulted in a damn horrible performance.

It looked to me like Parker and then Hill were both getting killed on the pick and roll, leaving Nash open on jumpers, Frye open on jumpers, or other bigs open to the basket. I kept thinking it was Parker/Hill failures. Did you see otherwise?

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

I think TP can play his way to health...

but his excuse for not playing well is of his health (if i recalled correctly in one of his interview)

[DPG21920]

Parker was looking much better the last 3 games though. This was a major regression again. I know he is injured, but why the difference from the last 3 games and today? The Spurs have absolutely no shot at winning if TP is not healthy, so take the lumps now and hope he and the rest of the Spurs get healthy.

[Buddy Holly]

This thread proves how far this forum has fallen. You peopleare pathetic..

Says the guy who epically quit on a struggling Spurs team on THIS very same forum. I guess that was when this forum was at it's peak in quality, huh? You're such a giant hypocritical douche bag it's not even funny.

And just to save you time because I know this will be your lame ass come back... n'sync!! nsync!! justin timberlake!!

[Buddy Holly]

Parker was looking much better the last 3 games though.

This years Spurs team always look good/terrific/awesome/championship caliber versus shitting teams, which happens to be who we faced the last three games prior to tonight.

[ducks]

normal the spurs go over the screen they went under tonight
why I do not know
that is on pop not players

[z0sa]

This years Spurs team always look good/terrific/awesome/championship caliber versus shitting teams, which happens to be who we faced the last three games prior to tonight.

The problem is: are the Phoenix suns really that great of a team?

[DPG21920]

This years Spurs team always look good/terrific/awesome/championship caliber versus shitting teams, which happens to be who we faced the last three games prior to tonight.

I was referring just to TP and how he looked. His explosiveness and his sharpness. Spurs go from looking young to old overnight. TP looked pretty much back to 100% physically the last 3 games then tonight he makes you worry that he has lost a step.

Then you just have to remember he is still young and still injured.

[murpjf88]

Tony's has played so bad, people have forgotten how bad RJ is.

[ducks]

where is the official hill suck thread
where is the official manu suck thread
7 points tonight
5 points against jazz
where is the official thread of rj sucks

[ducks]

I was referring just to TP and how he looked. His explosiveness and his sharpness. Spurs go from looking young to old overnight. TP looked pretty much back to 100% physically the last 3 games then tonight he makes you worry that he has lost a step.

Then you just have to remember he is still young and still injured.

suns played with more engery and had their best game all year tonight
spurs got down used alot of energy to get back in it

[timvp]

It looked to me like Parker and then Hill were both getting killed on the pick and roll, leaving Nash open on jumpers, Frye open on jumpers, or other bigs open to the basket. I kept thinking it was Parker/Hill failures. Did you see otherwise?

The bigs have to slow Nash enough for TP/Hill to get back into the picture after a pick. For much of the first half, the bigs were not only letting Nash get all the way to the rim, they left the bigs open, too. Basically, it was horrible pick-and-roll defense. TP could have fought more against the bigs but that was about the extent of his fault on those plays. A point guard doesn't have a chance if the bigs aren't going to help out at all.

[Chieflion]

The problem is: are the Phoenix suns really that great of a team?
Still perfect at home, so ya, superb team at home. In 2005, the Suns were the best road team in the NBA or something. They are still good.

[Buddy Holly]

The problem is: are the Phoenix suns really that great of a team?

They were always a great regular season team with Nash but lat season was a fluke because of O'Neal and the radical change the team made mentally.

[ducks]

The problem is: are the Phoenix suns really that great of a team?

suns are good if they control the tempo like tonight
and they were coming off a bad loss against nuggets and they HATE the spurs

[DPG21920]

suns played with more engery and had their best game all year tonight
spurs got down used alot of energy to get back in it

I know, but what does that have to do with TP's lack of energy and the way he looks physically?

[ducks]

The bigs have to slow Nash enough for TP/Hill to get back into the picture after a pick. For much of the first half, the bigs were not only letting Nash get all the way to the rim, they left the bigs open, too. Basically, it was horrible pick-and-roll defense. TP could have fought more against the bigs but that was about the extent of his fault on those plays. A point guard doesn't have a chance if the bigs aren't going to help out at all.

you mean it might have been duncan other people fault to besides tp they lost:wow

[ElNono]

suns are good if they control the tempo like tonight
and they were coming off a bad loss against nuggets and they HATE the spurs

Oh, ok.... now I feel a lot better about losing this game... :rolleyes

[DPG21920]

The bigs have to slow Nash enough for TP/Hill to get back into the picture after a pick. For much of the first half, the bigs were not only letting Nash get all the way to the rim, they left the bigs open, too. Basically, it was horrible pick-and-roll defense. TP could have fought more against the bigs but that was about the extent of his fault on those plays. A point guard doesn't have a chance if the bigs aren't going to help out at all.

I said in the game thread that everyone as a team was making the dumbest decisions when guarding Nash that I have ever seen.

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

every guard of that suns team attacked TP like he wasn't even there and successfully do so

[DPG21920]

At this point, I am not even looking at if he is scoring or his stats, I am just watching his movements and energy. Last 3 games pretty damn close to 100%, this game, severely regressed.

[Chieflion]

I said in the game thread that everyone as a team was making the dumbest decisions when guarding Nash that I have ever seen.
Guarding Nash, I think is the toughest thing to do for anyone in the league. He is such a great shooter, you can't sag off him, you leave your man to help for a split second, he finds the open man. I can only blame the Sppurs for not communicating well on defense. Nash flat out confused the entire Spurs team with his play.

[DPG21920]

I understand how difficult it is to guard Nash, but that does not mean he is impossible to guard and the Spurs played him terribly tonight. With anyone, not just Nash, you have to give them one or the other. You cannot give them both. Spurs gave Nash everything tonight.

[it's me]

tp has owned the suns the last few years

It was painful to watch how old Nash owned Tony's ass all game long.... within all the mediocrity the one that "guarded" Nash somehow decently was old and done for ever Ginobili.

[HarlemHeat37]

The Suns were killing all of our players with the P&R, so I don't blame Tony for that..

He DID get torched by both Nash and Dragic though, he missed A LOT of rotations..anybody that has watched Parker has seen that his defense has been absolutely horrible all year except for maybe 2 or 3 games..unlike Nash, Parker doesn't even take charges, so he's a huge defensive liability right now..

It's discouraging that he was playing better the last few games as he became a distributor, but he STILL racked up a bunch of turnovers..the haters aren't exaggerating, Tony is having a very poor season so far..

A guy that plays Tony Parker's style has to be efficient to make it work..he dribbles the ball a lot and he has to have the ball in his hands to be effective..when he's turning the ball over at a very high rate AND not dominating the scoring, he hurts our offense..he has to be dominant with the ball since his 3-point shooting is a liability..he's just hurting the team right now..

The optimists can sugar coat it all they want, but Tony isn't going to get better without a few weeks of rest, he's looked off physically all year..he's actually looked slow next to a lot of PGs so far this season..

[draft87]

hey tony go fuck yourself, you already fucked us playing this summer.


spurs would be better with hill starting over this shitty passing, no defense playing, tony parker


get real dude parker is playing like a deying fetus out there

he's more invisible than jefferson. Sure hope the french team enjoyed getting their asses whipped this summer.



Would you say this to Tony's face. Would you say that about Tony to any
Spurs player/coach?

[J_Paco]

The Suns were killing all of our players with the P&R, so I don't blame Tony for that..

He DID get torched by both Nash and Dragic though, he missed A LOT of rotations..anybody that has watched Parker has seen that his defense has been absolutely horrible all year except for maybe 2 or 3 games..unlike Nash, Parker doesn't even take charges, so he's a huge defensive liability right now..

It's discouraging that he was playing better the last few games as he became a distributor, but he STILL racked up a bunch of turnovers..the haters aren't exaggerating, Tony is having a very poor season so far..

A guy that plays Tony Parker's style has to be efficient to make it work..he dribbles the ball a lot and he has to have the ball in his hands to be effective..when he's turning the ball over at a very high rate AND not dominating the scoring, he hurts our offense..he has to be dominant with the ball since his 3-point shooting is a liability..he's just hurting the team right now..

The optimists can sugar coat it all they want, but Tony isn't going to get better without a few weeks of rest, he's looked off physically all year..he's actually looked slow next to a lot of PGs so far this season..

So, you think his lack of legs or conditioning is effecting his play on the defensive end? Parker has always been an adequate defender, but this season he's looked like Derek Fisher alot. I was worried about Timmy's health and conditioning going into the season, but it's obvious right now that Parker and Ginobili are much bigger concerns.

[Mr.Robinson]

That's all.

[Johnny RIngo]

So, you think his lack of legs or conditioning is effecting his play on the defensive end? Parker has always been an adequate defender, but this season he's looked like Derek Fisher alot. I was worried about Timmy's health and conditioning going into the season, but it's obvious right now that Parker and Ginobili are much bigger concerns.

Timmy has a legit excuse for his injuries though(age and mileage). What's Manu and Tony's excuse? International basketball...which is absolutely pathetic for two guys that are getting payed more than 10 million each to play for their REAL teams.

[AFBlue]

This guy's Finals MVP and perennial all-star status don't mean shit! He just plain sucks...no stats or logic needed!

[ElNono]

Timmy has a legit excuse for his injuries though(age and mileage). What's Manu and Tony's excuse? International basketball...which is absolutely pathetic for two guys that are getting payed more than 10 million each to play for their REAL teams.

Manu did not play basketball at all last summer...

[SouthTexasRancher]

"spurs fans are idiots" -Marcus Bryant


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Good to see you man up, EricB :toast

[exstatic]

He's just playing horrible this year. The teardrop is MIA, and he's missing layups. We're seeing Tony from like 5 years ago, and that's not a happy sight.

[Rito3d30]

Calm the fuck down man
The Spurs had a run to cut the lead down to five
Tp9 is just adjusting and he's not the only spur that had a shitty game tonight

[Ice009]

1st of all I understand players option to play for their countries

But TP and Manu doing that in the last 2 years is killing the Spurs

TP is playing bad this season. He's speed is nowhere near the last 3 or 4 years and his D is the worst of his NBA career

Again, I understand their choices but I'm mad because is really killing the Spurs

Yeah, Spursbrazil I am with you man. I am with you. I understand it completely, but as you said it is killing us out there.

[Ice009]

He should take 2 weeks off and get healthy. He's obviously a step (or three) slow and lacking lift. But he doesn't deserve beaten down by fans just for struggling.

He was looking better though Kori and he said in an interview a day or two ago that he is feeling better and not far from 100%. He's looked pretty good the last few games, until tonight that is. Is this a cop out every time he plays bad against a good team?

[Kori Ellis]

He was looking better though Kori and he said in an interview a day or two ago that he very close to 100%.

So is he lying to us?

He might be feeling less pain, but it's obvious by his speed/lift that he's not all the way healthy.

[Ice009]

He might be feeling less pain, but it's obvious by his speed/lift that he's not all the way healthy.

I just find it weird that everytime he plays good it's against a crap team and he is looking better, then we play a good team he looks like shit again.

If he is that injured I guess it is time to sit him.

Pop needs to ask all the guys in the locker room that played pathetic that if they don't want to be here and put forth the effort he'll try and trade them.

McDyess and RJ are giving us NOTHING.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol all the homers in here talkin about parkers defense compared to seasons past...lets get this straight his a avg defender like every avg player out there who can stay in front their man, arms up waving in the air like you just dont care,

[Spurs da champs]

Quit making excuses for Parker dudes a bum.

[Ice009]

lol all the homers in here talkin about parkers defense compared to seasons past...lets get this straight his a avg defender like every avg player out there who can stay in front their man, arms up waving in the air like you just dont care,

Tony Parker has played some incredibly tough defense in the playoffs before.

Don't bring that trash in here. Have you watched many Spurs playoff games or followed them for long?

[Capt Bringdown]

Parker playing last summer was just flat out senseless.
And here we are again. Watching our players age super fast and struggling to stay above .500

You gotta make sacrifices. TP and Manu thought they could do it all. Big mistake. Thanks for letting us down guys.

If I was Pop I'd rest TP for at least a month. Let Hill develop. Why not?

This team is going nowhere in the standings. Might as well let TP rest.

International basketball sucks.

[ezau]

This thread proves how far this forum has fallen. You peopleare pathetic..

Go ahead and suck RJ and TP balls then

[ezau]

Manu did not play basketball at all last summer...

Because he can't. He just got busted up playing for Argentina in 08.

[ElNono]

Because he can't. He just got busted up playing for Argentina in 08.

Nope. He got busted up leaving it all out there for the Spurs. He had both of his injuries playing with the Spurs.

[ezau]

Nope. He got busted up leaving it all out there for the Spurs. He had both of his injuries playing with the Spurs.

If you leave it out there for the team that pays you, I don't see anything wrong with it. I understand Ginobili's love and passion for his national team. Then again, playing basketball for consecutive seasons without taking a break will break down anyone's body in no time. That's what's going on with him right now.

[The Truth #6]

Not sure if Pop can afford to sit Tony for very long but he might just have to. I can't imagine Holt is happy with these results. Given all the expectations for this season, I doubt he's happy with Parker playing injured this Summer. What the hell.

Screw it. Just trade him to Portland and see what we can get. Joking.

[HarlemHeat37]

TBH, sitting Parker wouldn't hurt this team..we can still beat the average/bad teams without him, and we aren't able to beat the good teams either way..we might lose a couple of games that we would have won with him, but it's worth the sacrifice if we can get a rested up Parker back..the Tony Parker that is currently playing is arguably a liability to this team..

the rest of the December schedule is pretty light too..

[ElNono]

If you leave it out there for the team that pays you, I don't see anything wrong with it. I understand Ginobili's love and passion for his national team. Then again, playing basketball for consecutive seasons without taking a break will break down anyone's body in no time. That's what's going on with him right now.

He took the entire summer of 2007 off, and still got injured. Sometimes injuries just happen. Deal with it.
He's healthy now, and trying to get back in shape. That's whats going on with him right now.

[ezau]

He took the entire summer of 2007 off, and still got injured. Sometimes injuries just happen. Deal with it.
He's healthy now, and trying to get back in shape. That's whats going on with him right now.

He's a shell of what he once was, deal with it. He can be great in spurts but there's no way we should rely on him all the time.

[senorglory]

... like every avg player out there who can stay in front their man, arms up waving in the air like you just dont care,

:lmao

[Xylus]

Just out of curiosity, would you guys do this trade?

Parker/Bonner/Finley for Biedrins/Bell?

[Ice009]

Just out of curiosity, would you guys do this trade?

Parker/Bonner/Finley for Biedrins/Bell?

No.

[Chieflion]

Just out of curiosity, would you guys do this trade?

Parker/Bonner/Finley for Biedrins/Bell?
I like the Bonner and Finley for Bell swap, if only Bell was not injured. But Parker for Biedrins? Hell no.

[Xylus]

I think that trade would be a lot easier to make if Ginobili and Jefferson were playing up to their normal standards.

[Bukefal]

"Yeah he sucks, lets trade him"

:lol at this thread. Are you serious? Do you seriously think Hill is a better man for his position? :lmao Parker is the best we have, he still leads this team, last season he lead the time all by himself. Now, he took a step back, he has taken another role, he wants to involve teammates more, distributing. He is getting used to that, its a transition. And he is not recovered 100%.

I dont get you TP haters, how can you make such hateful statements and threads every time after TP had not such a great game. You probably have something against the guy. And when he is performing wonderful, everyone is quiet.

Yeah he needs to get healthy 100%, but he is aware of that, besides, without Parker we are doomed. You can say that he should rest 2 weeks or so, and yeah, he probably should. But, will that be any positive for the Spurs, playing without Parker? I dont think we can afford let's say 2 weeks without him.

Really, it amazes me every single time when I see how ignorant and stupid some Spurs fans are.

[Ice009]

"Yeah he sucks, lets trade him"

:lol at this thread. Are you serious? Do you seriously think Hill is a better man for his position? :lmao Parker is the best we have, he still leads this team, last season he lead the time all by himself. Now, he took a step back, he has taken another role, he wants to involve teammates more, distributing. He is getting used to that, its a transition. And he is not recovered 100%.

I dont get you TP haters, how can you make such hateful statements and threads every time after TP had not such a great game. You probably have something against the guy. And when he is performing wonderful, everyone is quiet.

Yeah he needs to get healthy 100%, but he is aware of that, besides, without Parker we are doomed. You can say that he should rest 2 weeks or so, and yeah, he probably should. But, will that be any positive for the Spurs, playing without Parker? I dont think we can afford let's say 2 weeks without him.

Really, it amazes me every single time when I see how ignorant and stupid some Spurs fans are.

No TP is right that he has to play. He was supposed to be our number 1 offensive option this season so we can't really not have that kind of production with him sitting out. TP is forced or forcing himself to play and he is probably the one that put himself in this situation by playing all summer.

[Bukefal]

No TP is right that he has to play. He was supposed to be our number 1 offensive option this season so we can't really not have that kind of production with him sitting out. TP is forced or forcing himself to play and he is probably the one that put himself in this situation by playing all summer.

Well, I dont know, injuries can happen everywhere on any time. Doesnt have to do with playing for your NT in the summer. I think that's a bit hard to say and blame it on that.

There we go again with the he shouldnt have player this summer. I dont hear fans blame American players playing for Team USA, so I think its another rejection of everything non-american to blame on, when they cant think of anything else on here.

[sonic21]

good thread :tu

[LOL@MavsFan]

Tony Turnover-Longoria

[sonic21]

that's funny. keep up the good work.

[romain.star]

really, Parker deserves better than that. I don't really like Parker (as a person) but this is way too much.

When you're a spurs fan, you don't bash a legend who has contributed heavily to 3 NBA titles. Despite being French, the guy has earned the right to be respected.

Criticize him as much as you want but at least show him some respect

[ElNono]

He's a shell of what he once was, deal with it. He can be great in spurts but there's no way we should rely on him all the time.

Right. That's why we brought Jefferson in...

[ElNono]

I just hope he does well against Monta Ellis tonight, otherwise this thread can EASILY reach 20 pages...

[hater]

are you motherfuckers retarded? It's Manu who sucks... oh and RJ too

[vander]

I think pop should try it, bring him off the bench, let him score all over the opponent's second unit, It might actually work like it worked for Manu.

[Admidave50]

The Level of TP hating is ridiculous!! Youre blaming on a guy who is putting all his effort to play everynight despite being obviously injured. He didnt lose a step and played horrible defense juste like that. The fact that he was good enough Against crappy teams just hide how much hes really hurt, playing against good teams just exposed his injury.

Im not a huge TP fan but I admit that hes deserved much respect for all he has brought to the Spurs.
TP is a big competitor and as hes stated before he had been hiding the seriousness of his injury before. I wont be shocked if it was bullshit when hé said that he was nearly 100% cuz hes obviously not. His will to play every nights dont deserve that much bashing from Spurs fans. He may not be objective enough to see that he needs more rest and that he may hurt the team right now.

You just cant hate a guy that keeps trying and wants to play. The only one to blame should be Pop cuz he must know how healthy TP really is and hes the only authority figure that can sit Tonys ass on the bench for 2 weeks.

[AFBlue]

He's a shell of what he once was, deal with it. He can be great in spurts but there's no way we should rely on him all the time.

God I hope this is sarcasm.

A 27yr old is never a "shell of what he once was"...especially not one that has improved every single aspect of his game since earning those early-career accolades.

Tony will be fine.

[ElNono]

God I hope this is sarcasm.

A 27yr old is never a "shell of what he once was"...especially not one that has improved every single aspect of his game since earning those early-career accolades.

Tony will be fine.

He was talking about Ginobili, not Parker...

[TDMVPDPOY]

i think the nutt worshipers are finely seeing eye to eye with the haters....

[LOL@MavsFan]

Parker and Richard Jefferson should be known as the Team Invisible.

Add McMiss and it will be a trio. :bang

[5´8 308lbs]

Parker must go. Bcoz the Spurs are a Different team now. We no longer need a score first point-guard, we have in Hill a player tha can become something even better rhan Parker. Here is what i think:

- Trade Parker for a True Center or 6´10/6´11 skilled power-foward with Hill Becoming our Starting PG a Mason the backup;

- Trade Parker for a pass first PG ala Chris Paul ( even if it would take Manu for the trade to work)

Tim Duncan deserves one more tittle at least. And I beleive this is the time to make something while he´s (Parker) worthy.

Act Now!!!! :bang:bang:bang:bang

[ElNono]

http://www.stennyshea.com/flash/Vacations/HI%20Vacations/slides/Cliff%20Jumping-HI.JPG

[honestfool84]

what does an overweight person know about playing basketball? :D

[Quiet Strength]

The spurs might as well let go of everyone but bonner and finley and build around them..

[Dex]

Mason the backup

http://recruiter.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/fail.jpg

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1//2007/07/ass-tony-parker/02-tony-parker-ass.jpg

[ElNono]

what does an overweight person know about playing basketball? :D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1408067140_236dc13920.jpg

[da_suns_fan]

1) Forget Chris Paul. Its an impossibility. The Hornets arent trading him, and if they did they wouldnt want to trade him to San Antonio.

2) You have a top 5pg in the league that you've won 3 championships with. Why are so many of you freaking out?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

what does an overweight person know about playing basketball? :D

Judging from the listed stats the OP could very well be Stan Van Gundy.

[Bukefal]

You FAIL, enough already with the Trade Parker threads. You want Hill rather than him? :lol You must be insane if you want to get rid of this guy, shows how much you know and respect.

Damn I cant stand such Spurs fans

[Ocotillo]

If this season ends up with disappointing results, it may not be a bad idea to consider trading Parker. He is bent on playing for France in the summer and it clearly has an impact on his performance in the NBA season.

[Bukefal]

are you motherfuckers retarded?

Yes they are. :wow

[Kermit]

:lmao

I love coming to this board.

But the Tony/Finley/Bonner for Lebron threads are missing.

[spurtech09]

once again dumb thread....

[Kermit]

I believe it passed stupid on it's way to Retardville. But that's not p.c.

[Frenzy]

huh....what trade parker?


















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[TDMVPDPOY]

tp is j ust like every other player on this team besides td, a piece, a cog....thats how it is....

[Brazil]

tp is j ust like every other player on this team besides td, a piece, a cog....thats how it is....

absolutely no need to point out one player in particular. Except for Tim and Blair the rest sucks, all the rest, including pop

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

How about anyone who says anything as dismally stupid as "Tony sucks" leaves ST never to return?

Sure, he is not having a great season and needs to find his game for us to succeed, but to say that he "sucks" is fandom at its worst. Tony has given his all to this franchise and its fans, including being a big part of 3 rings, not to mention a Finals MVP he richly deserved.

In other words, STFU ungrateful knobjobs, OR, how about you learn to use the English language with a little acuity (ie. there is a world of difference between "TP sucks" and "TP is playing poorly and needs to find his game").

[Ice009]

The Level of TP hating is ridiculous!! Youre blaming on a guy who is putting all his effort to play everynight despite being obviously injured. He didnt lose a step and played horrible defense juste like that. The fact that he was good enough Against crappy teams just hide how much hes really hurt, playing against good teams just exposed his injury.

Im not a huge TP fan but I admit that hes deserved much respect for all he has brought to the Spurs.
TP is a big competitor and as hes stated before he had been hiding the seriousness of his injury before. I wont be shocked if it was bullshit when hé said that he was nearly 100% cuz hes obviously not. His will to play every nights dont deserve that much bashing from Spurs fans. He may not be objective enough to see that he needs more rest and that he may hurt the team right now.

You just cant hate a guy that keeps trying and wants to play. The only one to blame should be Pop cuz he must know how healthy TP really is and hes the only authority figure that can sit Tonys ass on the bench for 2 weeks.

Well Tony needs to stop lying then if he is hurt.

I'll use D-Rob and an example. He played hurt quite a lot, but his defense was still great and I never really questioned him for it. TP is doing the same thing, unfortunately he is getting exposed all over the place and that is why people are ragging on him. He's not helping either offensively or defensively.

He is in a bad place because if he sits out then he will have twice the amount of people bagging him. If he sits out people are just going to rip him and say that it was the French National Team.

[Spurs da champs]

Get off his nuts you all realize he only shares the ball when he wants to and his scoring is inconsistent get his bum ass outta here.

[Admidave50]

Well Tony needs to stop lying then if he is hurt.

I'll use D-Rob and an example. He played hurt quite a lot, but his defense was still great and I never really questioned him for it. TP is doing the same thing, unfortunately he is getting exposed all over the place and that is why people are ragging on him. He's not helping either offensively or defensively.

He is in a bad place because if he sits out then he will have twice the amount of people bagging him. If he sits out people are just going to rip him and say that it was the French National Team.

I think that TP or Manu are such fierce competitors that they sometimes don't know when to stop. Manu hurt the team more that he helped when we played the Lakers in the playoffs 2 years ago. When you see Manu play, you know that he gives his all and that he wants to play every second of a game, especially in playoffs. At this time, I couldn't blame the guy. Pop was the one that had to manage his playing time and he didn't do it properly.

As others have pointed out, TP isnt very helping offensively and defensively without his speed. It's not the same with big Dave, even being hurt, he has very good defense basics and can use his athletic body to be helpful.

I just wish that if TP needs 2-week rest to be healthy again that Pop will sit his ass and let the younger players play. But sometimes it may not be easy to diagnose and he may needs a 2 month rest to really be healthy. That may be a reason why Pop is still letting him play wishing that he will slowly recover.

TP is not healthy, Manu is not in game shape and RJ is still learning the system and how to play within our team. It's just a shame that Tim plays so great right now and that the team can't benefit it.

[ezau]

Right. That's why we brought Jefferson in...

As much as Ginobili is sucking right now, he's still playing better ball than RJ.

[Ice009]

I think that TP or Manu are such fierce competitors that they sometimes don't know when to stop. Manu hurt the team more that he helped when we played the Lakers in the playoffs 2 years ago. When you see Manu play, you know that he gives his all and that he wants to play every second of a game, especially in playoffs. At this time, I couldn't blame the guy. Pop was the one that had to manage his playing time and he didn't do it properly.

As others have pointed out, TP isnt very helping offensively and defensively without his speed. It's not the same with big Dave, even being hurt, he has very good defense basics and can use his athletic body to be helpful.

I just wish that if TP needs 2-week rest to be healthy again that Pop will sit his ass and let the younger players play. But sometimes it may not be easy to diagnose and he may needs a 2 month rest to really be healthy. That may be a reason why Pop is still letting him play wishing that he will slowly recover.

TP is not healthy, Manu is not in game shape and RJ is still learning the system and how to play within our team. It's just a shame that Tim plays so great right now and that the team can't benefit it.


Well after that Lakers series I agree with you. During the series I obviously wanted Manu to play, but after that series was over you could definitely say that Manu hurt us more than he helped.

In this situation though TP is doing what other players like David Robinson did before him and is being tough and trying to play. That's great of TP to attempt to play if he's really hurt because he thinks we are in trouble with out him. It is up to the coach to sit him if he's not fully healed.

I am just wondering is Pop under pressure here to win? Should he be sitting TP, but he can't because he is under pressure himself? Is he upset with TP playing over the summer and trying to prove a point to him? I'd like to know what is going on here.

The main thing is also we don't know how hurt TP is, even if he is at all or maybe he is simply fatigued? I wonder if it's the ankle or summer play or both. Most people are going to say both, but you are just guessing if you say that.

[HarlemHeat37]

another disappointing game for Tony..3 assists with 5 turnovers and the usual poor effort defensively..

We can only hope that he gets a few weeks to rest..

[timaios]

another disappointing game for Tony..3 assists with 5 turnovers and the usual poor effort defensively..

We can only hope that he gets a few weeks to rest..

I agree, but he had 0 to in the 2nd half, 8 reb and his 16-18 ft shots were good.
At least he was +15 tonight, yesterday he was -28 !!!

I don't know what's wrong with him, it seems he totally lost his confidence. Sometimes he looks lost on the court. It's really weird.

[Josepatches_]

He can't have -28 when we are playing against the Warriors.It's not like he was playing better.Imo he even played worse because 5 TO's for only 3 assists are two much if you are a PG.

In 2010 summer we have a FIBA world championship where TP si going to play because to qualifying was one of the reasons he played last summer.

He had a lot of miles in his legs,a lot of games since he came to the NBA.He's not Kobe and he can live only with his talent.He needs to be fresh and healthy and he is going to need more rest every year.

TD is 33.We will need another franchise player in a few years if we want to be a tittle contender in the future.It's time to think if Tony will accept stay here for less money to free cap space or we will have to trade him before he will be a free agent.

And the summer of 2010 it's going to be the key of the next years in the NBA.Lebron,Wade,Bosh..... Right now is unreal,i know,but our team need a big change to be in the elite again.That's true.

It's time to think about it.We can dream that the team is going to play better but we are in December and we are even worse than we were in October.Now it's only TD,TD & TD.

[ElNono]

To be honest, after watching last night game, I don't know that is all physical. He actually had a decent lift on his shot last night, but there's a mental aspect that's not clicking right now. Things like tossing passes at the ankle level, missing wide open layups, miscommunication even with Duncan, and just the overall lack of intensity on defense (I mean, where you don't even raise an arm up when your guy is taking a shot) is alarming...

I really think he can turn it around because all those things are, like I said, more mental than physical. Like Duncan was saying last night, there's a monotonous aspect to the grinding 82 game season, and I wonder if there isn't some of that involved here. Whatever it is, I just hope Tony works it out because we really need him playing well, as much as we need TD and Manu to play well also.

[dbestpro]

2) You have a top 5pg in the league that you've won 3 championships with. Why are so many of you freaking out?

Is funny how this is the argument to support Parker. Like he won the championships all by himself. Did you ever think we lost out on championships because he never learned how to play defense or distribute the ball and maybe we won in spite of him being a ball hog?

Most of didn't mind when our big guys are hurt or you have role players on the court along side Parker, but that is not the case anymore. The holes in his game are glaring. He makes too many bad decisions with the ball and can't play D. His top 5 status is now sorely in question. At this point it looks like he has peaked. If that is thew case and with the talent we have he is no longer the type of PG we need. In fact we do not have a playmaker anywhere on the team even as a change of pace. This is why we still need that 3rd PG and should say adios to Hairston.

[dbestpro]

Like Duncan was saying last night, there's a monotonous aspect to the grinding 82 game season.

The use of the word grinding is overplayed and is nothing more than an excuse to take plays off.

[Chieflion]

He looked like shit in a loss and looked like shit in a win. Now, he even lost his focus, does not play defense, can't get to the rim at will compared to last season, resorted to taking bad jump shots, makes bad passes, makes wrong cuts to the basket.

[ego]

The Spurs fans sometimes are stupid. A good trade for Tony
would be to play for LA, Derek Fisher is a good player but old !
It will be funny to see how Hill will play against Tp !

[MB20]

The Spurs are "thinking" instead of "just playing" during games.
The old guys are thinking about getting the new guys involved. The new guys are thinking too much about offensive and defensive sets.
Once they get used to all the changes, I think this team will play MUCH better.

I will still give everybody time to adjust to each other.

[elbamba]

I like Parker but I have to say that I have noticed that he seems to be missing easy layups this year. It seemed like he never missed a layup last year, no matter how impossible the shot, this year I have noticed that he misses 2-3 easy ones a game.

I think it might be that he has not yet fully recovered from his injury. If that is the case they should sit him a week or two. The Spurs are deep enough that it will not affect the Spurs too much to do this.

[ducks]

he had no turnovers in the second half last night
GO TP

[roycrikside]

he had no turnovers in the second half last night
GO TP

His PER is 17.00. That's fucking awful. He hasn't been that bad since '03-04.
His turnover rate is by far the worst of his career. He's not an asset right now.

[manustarting2gd]

4-16 from the field.. could care less about his ft's, clanked a shitload of and1's... icing was the terrible shot in the last 30 seconds of the game... jumper when he had an open lane to the bucket, while were up 2. Great Job TP.

[itzsoweezee]

he's a mental midget.

[Kori Ellis]

Don't bump threads from two years ago. It confuses people. Post in the more recent Parker thread.