Dwight Vs Pau

[NBAfan83]

Whose better defensively? Pau has been getting consistent 15+ reboudns lately, can't say the same for dwight.

And keep in mind Pau is one of three 7 footer on his team while dwight gets all the rebounds cuz he's the only who bothers to get it.

[picc84]

Whose better defensively? Pau has been getting consistent 15+ reboudns lately, can't say the same for dwight.

And keep in mind Pau is one of three 7 footer on his team while dwight gets all the rebounds cuz he's the only who bothers to get it.

What the fuck does that have to do with who plays better defense?

[Smooth Criminal]

What the fuck does that have to do with who plays better defense?

To be fair...the reason D12 win DPOY last season was because of his Blocks and defensive rebounding...

[mystargtr34]

Dwight vs Pau is a legitimate discussion.

[mystargtr34]

To be fair...the reason D12 win DPOY last season was because of his Blocks and defensive rebounding...

Lol at that first sig. Where was that?

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL Howard is levels better than Gasol as a defender..

Howard led Orlando to the #1 defense in the NBA with a bunch of average defenders around him, including a SF starting at PF..

[HarlemHeat37]

Howard's rebound % is also significantly better than Gasol..

[SamoanTD]

to me dwight has the intimadation factor I mean coming down the lane and I see Pau no offense but I think I would take it right at him but if I see Dwight I think im gonna start passing lol

[Greg Oden]

Dwight vs Pau is a legitimate discussion.

Maybe as an overall player, where Dwight is still better. But not defense.

[mystargtr34]

Offensively, Pau is the better player. Defensively, its Dwight. If you break them down further, on offense you have the ability to run your offense through Gasol where he can get his own 20 points, but also give out 3-4 assists a night - hes a guy that creates for himself and for others. Dwight gets most of his points from set ups by other guys and crashing the glass. Having said that, he still makes the game easier for his team mates because he draws so much attention, but he just isnt the playmaker Gasol is.

Defensively, Dwight's main edge is his superior shot blocking and weak side help. But Pau is probably the better man-to-man defender. Defending the post has more to do with core strength and foot work as opposed to athleticism, where you dont necessarily have the time and space to leap at the ball. Dwight's a better rebounder though, so hes got a clear advantage here.

Overall, you probably take Dwight, but its close.

[mystargtr34]

Oh whoops, were talking defense.

[Culburn369]

Neither one is mentally prepared. Both give away far more than they take.

[Chieflion]

Dwight Howard.

[jag]

Maybe as an overall player, where Dwight is still better. But not defense.

You really think Dwight is a better overall player?

[DPG21920]

You really think Dwight is a better overall player?

Yes. If you put Pau on Orlando they are not nearly as good and they certainly don't make the finals last year.

[iggypop123]

were talking about defense not offense. pau is light years better on offense. howard just out jumps people at times

[Venti Quattro]

were talking about defense not offense. pau is light years better on offense. howard just out jumps people at times
Post game comparison just says it all

[jag]

Yes. If you put Pau on Orlando they are not nearly as good and they certainly don't make the finals last year.

You can't make arguments like that. That's more of a question about roles.

Pau has a complete skill set...Dwight is extremely one dimensional. The Magic built their team with the understanding that Dwight has no O game.

[DPG21920]

You can't make arguments like that. That's more of a question about roles.

Pau has a complete skill set...Dwight is extremely one dimensional. The Magic built their team with the understanding that Dwight has no O game.

How does he average 20 PPG then? He might not have a well rounded offensive game, but he is dominant around the rim.

[Venti Quattro]

How does he average 20 PPG then? He might not have a well rounded offensive game, but he is dominant around the rim.
Same same with Lebron. Heavy reliance on freakish athleticism.

[DPG21920]

Same same with Lebron. Heavy reliance on freakish athleticism.

And? Lebron is the 2nd leading scorer in the league. He has a great offensive game.

[jag]

How does he average 20 PPG then? He might not have a well rounded offensive game, but he is dominant around the rim.

No matter what you say or do...you can't convince anyone that Howard has a respectable offensive game.

In your heart, you don't even believe it.

[DPG21920]

Say what you will, he is pretty one dimensional on the offensive end, but you better respect it.

[Greg Oden]

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[jag]

Say what you will, he is pretty one dimensional on the offensive end, but you better respect it.

Fair enough. But it's more about offensive boards than anything else. He's a beast on the boards and puts the ball back up.

He averages 18 ppg and 11 freethrows pg.


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Dude can jump.

[DPG21920]

He also is leading the league in FG %. He is not a good offensive player, but a dominant one.

[mystargtr34]

No matter what you say or do...you can't convince anyone that Howard has a respectable offensive game.

In your heart, you don't even believe it.

He's not Ben Wallace or anything. He still has a couple of go to moves. A running hook and and the hook where he turns in to the middle of the lane. Its not much :lol but its enough to keep the defender honest. The problem is when the playoffs come around, and the game is being called tighter, and your team is struggling and needs a bucket - you have to have your best player be able to create something for himself or for someone else - and i dont think Howard can do that, and he showed it in the Finals.

[jag]

If I need a defensive specialist - I'm taking Dwight.

If i need a complete player - I'm taking Pau.

Stick Dwight on those Grizzlies teams that Pau played on and you're not getting much different results. Maybe some cool dunks.

EDIT: By defensive specialist...I'm including defensive rebounding.

[DPG21920]

Are you crazy? What did you get with Pau on the Grizz? Not a single playoff win. Dwight would have easily got them one. He took the Magic to the damn finals.

[jag]

Are you crazy? What did you get with Pau on the Grizz? Not a single playoff win. Dwight would have easily got them one. He took the Magic to the damn finals.

You are completely ignoring supporting casts.

Turkoglu > Mike Miller

[DPG21920]

Give me a break. If they had enough talent to win 50 games, you cannot give supporting cast excuses.

And no, Miller most definitely > Hedo or at worst =.

[jag]

haha how can you say supporting casts dont matter. Youre trying to compare a team that had Hedo, Rashard Lewis, Courtney Lee, Gortat and Jameer Nelson to a team that had Mike Miller, Shane Battier and Damon Stoudamire.

I'm from the mountainous and educated state of TN. I've seen a lot of the Griz and Pau. And i've seen a lot of Howard. Pau brings more to the table than people give him credit for.

[mystargtr34]

I think one thing you have to remember is that those 50-win Grizz teams Pau was on were during the Western Conference's real peak. 50 wins was only enough to get you a 6 or 7 seed, meaning a matchup against one of the top teams in the league.

2004 - Defending Champion Spurs
2005 - 64 Win Pheonix Suns
2006 - 06 Mavs

[HarlemHeat37]

Pau Gasol is CLEARLY a complimentary player..he's the best complimentary player in the NBA, it's a perfect role for him..

Dwight Howard is the #1 option on an elite team that went to the Finals last year..you can criticize his offense all you want, but he's still getting nearly 20 PPG on 60+% shooting..you add that to the fact that he's the best defensive player + rebounder in the NBA, and he's clearly better than Gasol..

[jag]

Pau Gasol is CLEARLY a complimentary player..he's the best complimentary player in the NBA, it's a perfect role for him..

Dwight Howard is the #1 option on an elite team that went to the Finals last year..you can criticize his offense all you want, but he's still getting nearly 20 PPG on 60+% shooting..you add that to the fact that he's the best defensive player + rebounder in the NBA, and he's clearly better than Gasol..

To say that this post is subjective and over-generalizing, is to say that Perez Hilton is just alittle gay.

[NBAfan83]

nah, howard's no near the rebounder Pau is, and no GM would take Dwight over Pau as a complimentary piece, Dwight is nothing more than a good C, but not a star C to be built around, like shaq was. Dwight will be no more than a 3rd, 4th option, he lacks the offensive prowess to be the 1st or 2nd option.

Look at their current team makeup, carter is the one they put the ball in most of the time, and dwight only gets it when he gets deep in the post, which is rarely against the elite teams.

[duhoh]

Look at their current team makeup, carter is the one they put the ball in most of the time, and dwight only gets it when he gets deep in the post, which is rarely against the elite teams.

sure, but carter is a chucker for sure.

since this topic is about D, i'll take D12 please.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm not sure if NBAfan is a troll or not, he might just be an idiot..

Howard's rebounding% is 2% higher than Gasol's..how exactly is he a better rebounder or even near Dwight as a rebounder?..

Dwight was the #1 option on a team that went to the NBA finals last year..he led them in usage % AND PPG, so I don't really know where your argument is coming from..NBA GMs also voted him the #2 guy to build around for the future only next to Lebron..

I hope you're a troll..

[boston.balla]

pau is great because of length, but in terms of holding the defense he is jack compared to dwight. Do not forget that the lakers defense is a 3 big-man business. Size is what really matters. Furthermore pau at pf really has a great size advantage but he's overrated because he defended d12 well in the finals.

Anyway, dwight is rare commodity, there are more big men scorers than big men defenders (quality-wise).

Plus on offense dwight is UNDERRATED. He changes the game (even if he chocked in the finals, that's a limited sampling domain). You have to double => outside shooting. Inside outside game .. and for all the fools that say orlando lives by the three think how hard is to nail a OPEN three for a guy like shard/vince/jameer. That's a very high % shot.

Pau does not demand such attention because he is not this dominant. The dominance of a player extends past skillset. Sure, skill-wise pau is far superior. But in terms of athleticism, shot blocking, intimidation, cloging the lane, rebounding %, drawing fouls, SPEED, strength, defending the pnr/perimeter, and such aspects of the game dwight is superior.

To put it in a simpler perspective: you can put dwight on any team and he'll have no problem in adapting and playing his best game. On the other hand gasol needs a certain configuration to play at his best game at BOTH ends of the floor

[Smooth Criminal]

Lol at that first sig. Where was that?

not sure. I just found it on the internet

[HeyIt'sMe]

Howard is one of the most dominant rebounding big men of all-time (look at rebounding percentage and his career 12.6 RPG average). Gasol, until this bazaar, out of nowhere rebounding streak, had a career high of 18 boards. lol @ him being a better rebounder than Howard.