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duncan228
12-17-2009, 04:11 PM
6 Players Who Need to be Traded (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=tsn-playerswhoneedtobetr&prov=tsn&type=lgns)
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The trade deadline is a good two months away. But with several players already hot topics (http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/47788/examining_todays_eligible_trade_bait), and an entire team up for grabs (http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/47909/warriors_listening_to_all_offers), you can forgive me for having trade on the brain. So even if it’s a bit early, I’d like to present you with my list of six players who need to be traded—for their sake, their club’s, or both.

Jerryd Bayless: The Portland PG situation is in turmoil, the team might unload Andre Miller, and Bayless wants to help. Except if you thought Miller wasn’t Steve Blake, Bayless really isn’t Steve Blake. Bayless’ range is only slightly better than Miller’s, and his main skill is attacking the basket. Pairing him with Roy for the future would essentially set up a situation where you have two slashing guards in the backcourt. And it’s not like Bayless is a finished product yet, or a clear-cut fit for Nate McMillian’s universe. His lottery pick’s salary isn’t worth dumping, but he needs a change of scenery, and there’d be no shortage of teams interested in his services. The Blazers don’t have to part ways with Bayless, but they also don’t seem to have much use for him, and could use him as a bargaining chip if they want to get rid of a veteran.

John Salmons: Salmons is exactly the kind of player some heavy-duty team should want to bolster its offense. He can play multiple positions, do a little bit of everything and put up points. And yet there’s something about him that makes him seem out of place as a "big man on bad team," as he was in Sacramento and now, Chicago. Playing somewhere good would allow him to show off the full range of his abilities, not force him to go for his when the shot’s not there (something he’s almost obligated to do on teams with little firepower), and just generally better suit his temperament. What’s more, he makes less than $6 million per year, and expires after next season. Maybe Chicago could land some more youth or a draft pick; Salmons could go to a team that’s a better fit for an unobtrusive veteran capable of shouldering some of the load.

Richard Hamilton: I know, it sounds crazy to suggest that Rip Hamilton would be dealt by the Pistons. Especially now that Ben Wallace is back. It’s like some players just belong there. But Chauncey Billups is gone, and Hamilton wasn’t always a Detroiter. The Pistons are putting together their team of the future, and so far, includes Rodney Stuckey and Ben Gordon featured heavily. Yes, Gordon can come off the bench, but they paid him way too much for that. And they could go with all three at once as they did to placate Iverson. But come on, that’s hardly smart basketball. Hamilton is under contract through 2013, at $12.6 million per year. That almost makes him untradeable. Then again, he’s still perfectly capable, and if we see some sort of arms race erupt once again between the teams jockeying for top position, someone might be willing to take the plunge make this committment. Like Orlando did with Vince.

Rudy Gay: The Grizzlies have finally started to improve, even if they’re overperforming right now. Gay is getting closer and closer to emerging as the All-Star we’ve always thought he had hidden under the hood. Despite the contributions of Zach Randolph, Marc Gasol, and O.J. Mayo, Gay is the heart of the Grizz. He may not be the most disciplined player in the world, but he can impact a game in many ways, and he can sneak into the conversation when you’re talking about the top young SF’s in the game. So why would Memphis trade him? Plain and simple: It couldn’t sign him to an extension last summer, which means Gay will be a restricted FA. For all the team’s success, the Grizzlies are still in dire financial straits and not looking to break the bank. If things get to the point of offer sheets and matching, some team will realize it’s not getting LeBron and throw money at Gay. The Grizzlies won’t be able or willing to match, so better they get something for him now.

Sergio Rodriguez: So Spanish Chocolate was a YouTube mirage. A team that wants to run, and needs a PG (even a capable back-up) could do far worse. Sacramento has buried him in the rotation, in part because Beno Udrih has redeemed himself and Donte Greene (a guard, I guess) is starting to come around. But Rodriguez, for all his faults, can push the tempo. He’s restricted this summer, so maybe the Kings get a draft pick for him?

Amir Johnson: A purely sentimental inclusion. I know Johnson is probably never going to amount to much. But I was excited when he went to Milwaukee because it at least seemed like he’d play. Granted, if that had happened, we might have never become acquainted with that wonderful basketball player Ilyasova. He’s not going to get much PT now in Toronto, either, as the Raptors have Andrea Bargnani and Chris Bosh—aka the franchise—down low. Still, I fondly remember all the buzz about him in Detroit, the contract that Dumars cast as buying into the lottery, and the organization-wise commitment to make him grow … that somehow never made it down to the coaching staff. He may be holding himself back with foul trouble, and yet I can’t help but think that guaranteed minutes somewhere might result in something that didn’t make me feel like I’d been duped. OK, it’s selfish, not sentimental.

Culburn369
12-17-2009, 04:13 PM
Salmons is a bum.

da_suns_fan
12-17-2009, 04:14 PM
No thanks to all of em.

Greg Oden
12-17-2009, 04:14 PM
Rudy Gay being the heart of the Grizzlies is one of the dumber things I've read.

Venti Quattro
12-17-2009, 04:20 PM
Vujacic too, but no one is going to take him.

Killakobe81
12-17-2009, 05:27 PM
Salmons on the right team (lakers or Spurs) could be useful ...abviously Gay has superstar talent but not sure about heart we will see ...

benefactor
12-17-2009, 06:00 PM
I give Mason and Finley for Salmons in a heartbeat.

Muser
12-17-2009, 06:09 PM
If they were available for expirings then Salmons or Hamilton would be awesome. Shame Rip is injured.

JJ Hickson
12-17-2009, 06:13 PM
I give Mason and Finley for Salmons in a heartbeat.



I'm sure teams are just lining up for a chance at those two bums. :lol

BlackSwordsMan
12-17-2009, 06:24 PM
no mention of richard jefferson? biased reporter

James David Manning
12-17-2009, 06:29 PM
I'm sure teams are just lining up for a chance at those two bums. :lol

Sons it's funny when Spurs fan says, "I'd give Bonner, Mason and Finley for that guy" as if it's some sort of major compliment to that player.

024
12-17-2009, 07:25 PM
i've wanted to see salmons on the spurs since he was available on the kings last year. i still want to see salmons on the spurs. he isn't a first, second, or maybe even third option but he will be a great role player who plays solid defense. unlike jefferson, salmons won't have to adjust to being a role player because he was one practically his entire career. once the pressure is off to score, he'll get his shooting percentages back.

Culburn369
12-17-2009, 07:27 PM
He'll make you sorry.

Rip-Hamilton32
12-17-2009, 08:57 PM
i am all for a Rip plus fillers for T-Mac + fillers

Indazone
12-17-2009, 09:20 PM
How about T-Mac for Gay? Then we'd have the player we should have had in the first place and Battier too.

baseline bum
12-17-2009, 09:40 PM
I'm not sure that Hamilton would be good in another contender's system. If you want to see what happens when a player like him goes to a team with other offensive threats, look no further than the 1990s version, Glen Rice, and how bad he was in Los Angeles when he wasn't being constantly run off double screens and was asked to spot up.

ducks
12-17-2009, 09:59 PM
gay for manu

mogrovejo
12-17-2009, 10:25 PM
Besides Hamilton I don't see why would any of those players be traded.

Bayless is worth too little for his potential and McMillan is starting to play him more.

Johnson wouldn't get more playing time in any other team that he gets in Toronto. His playing time is mostly limited by his own game, not his teammates.

Salmons is too much of a ball-stopper to play in a better team surrounded by better teammates and he can't be productive coming off-the-bench. Plus, the Bulls problem is lack of wing players.

Saying that the Grizzlies wont' match offers for Gay is pure speculation.

Rodriguez is a backup/3rd string PG. All the Kings would get for him would be a 2nd rounder. And considering there's a good chance Rodriguez bolts to Europe in the Summer I doubt anyone would pay even that.

Bad article.

JMarkJohns
12-17-2009, 11:57 PM
Jerryd Bayless: The Portland PG situation is in turmoil, the team might unload Andre Miller, and Bayless wants to help. Except if you thought Miller wasn’t Steve Blake, Bayless really isn’t Steve Blake. Bayless’ range is only slightly better than Miller’s, and his main skill is attacking the basket. Pairing him with Roy for the future would essentially set up a situation where you have two slashing guards in the backcourt. And it’s not like Bayless is a finished product yet, or a clear-cut fit for Nate McMillian’s universe. His lottery pick’s salary isn’t worth dumping, but he needs a change of scenery, and there’d be no shortage of teams interested in his services. The Blazers don’t have to part ways with Bayless, but they also don’t seem to have much use for him, and could use him as a bargaining chip if they want to get rid of a veteran.

According to this link (http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/12/10/1194870/its-bayless-time), Bayless range is much improved, and from 12-to-20 feet, Bayless is the best shooter on the Blazers.

His last few games his passing ability and court vision has seemed much improved as well. Add in his quickness and explosive slashing ability and he may in fact be a keeper, and McMillan seems to be realizing it.

Bayless has 11 points, 2 assists on 3-5 FG in 12 minutes at the half vs. Phoenix, and in the games in which he gets a minimum of 17 minutes, is averaging around 12 ppg, 2 apg in roughly 19 minutes of play. Obviously his assists will need to go up as a PG, but many of these minutes are coming as a SG.

Texas Chili Dog
12-18-2009, 05:08 AM
I'd add Josh Howard to the list from my team. It's too bad we didn't trade him a year ago when he might have gotten more value. We can't depend on him to ever stay healthy. And frankly, sometimes you don't even notice he's out of the lineup because we can still do fine without him.

Culburn369
12-18-2009, 05:49 AM
It's a moot point about Bayless. He was booked into a Multnomah County jail early this morning on multiple charges of 3rd degree arson & sodomy in connection with the game Vs. the Suns last nite in Portland.

Allanon
12-18-2009, 09:08 AM
John Salmons on the Celtics would make me fear them.

Rudy Gay is a chucker and hurts the Grizzlies. Ironically, Shane Battier would be the perfect player in his stead.

Rip Hamilton for Richard Jefferson would put the Spurs back in the West elite.

duncan228
12-18-2009, 01:13 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, Jerryd Bayless (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=tsn-ladiesandgentlemenje&prov=tsn&type=lgns)
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Kelly Dwyer put it best this morning (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Behind-the-Box-Score-where-the-Blazers-have-a-n;_ylt=AjxyIBZ1eWVugCddYB_dlTOzvLYF?urn=nba,209787 ). Announcing that "the Blazers have a new stud", Kelly suggested—and I paraphrase here—that the answer might really be that simple, or at least was last night. Jerryd Bayless, included in my "guys who need to be traded" column (http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/48030/6_players_who_need_to_be_traded) just yesterday, could now be a key part of this team.

Heck, just look at Joe Freeman’s Twitter (http://twitter.com/BlazerFreeman/status/6796483440) report: "One of Bayless’ more interesting postgame remarks: if B.Roy is the Blazers’ LeBron, he thinks he can be the Mo Williams in that duo."

It’s probably too much, too soon. We’re talking about one single game against a team hardly known for its defense. But Miller isn’t working out. All the teams’ small forwards, which means much of their bench scoring, are on ice. And Steve Blake is finally under-performing to the point where the myth that "Roy could only play with someone like Blake" can stand to take a hit.

I never got that; sure, Roy likes to have the ball in his hands, and hitting threes is important for someone likely to be left open a lot. However, with Oden out another year, the Blazers’ master plan might be on hold for yet another year. Why not introduce a new wrinkle, especially in a time of need? Last night proves that, even if Bayless isn’t the idealized sidekick Blake is supposed to be, playing him a lot brings glad tidings to this team.

Bayless isn’t really a playmaker, but it’s not like Blake is Steve Nash. Miller is, at least on the run—except Portland doesn’t run. Bayless is a defensive upgrade, is improving wth the long-range ball and, oh yeah, can take over games, or at least draw defensive attention, with his penetration. Mo and LeBron?

That’s not the best analogy; Williams is more like the guy Steve Blake wishes he were. However, Bayless is a flat-out weapon who isn’t exactly going to bring Portland’s gameplan crashing down to the ground. At some point, they need to see what he’s growing up into. Let’s hope they take this game as a sign to give him a try. Heck, it’s not like anyone else on the roster is really inspiring great confidence at the position.

tomtom
12-18-2009, 03:14 PM
I like what I've seen from Bayless. I really hope they don't move him. Next season Blake will be off the books and I like Bayless as the future PG.

I really think Sergio would fit well on the Spurs. He doesn't have very much scoring ability. But he's a pure play making PG, something the Spurs need. Wouldn't be bad for a third string option. Remember all the alley oops he had with Fernandez? Anyways this is the only trade I could see happening and its really doubtful anyways.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz9b632

iggypop123
12-18-2009, 04:14 PM
John Salmons on the Celtics would make me fear them.

Rudy Gay is a chucker and hurts the Grizzlies. Ironically, Shane Battier would be the perfect player in his stead.

Rip Hamilton for Richard Jefferson would put the Spurs back in the West elite.

ginobli cannot play sf

Allanon
12-18-2009, 04:24 PM
ginobli cannot play sf

If you read the threads upstairs, neither can Jefferson :lol