Wade: Me and Bron All Along

[duncan228]

Wade: Me and Bron All Along (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=tsn-wademeandbronallalon&prov=tsn&type=lgns)
SportingNews

Holy NBA cabal, Batman. If you thought that Garnett and Allen going to Seattle seemed like a case of hired gun-itis, this quote from Dwyane Wade will blow you away. Much has been made of the mini-max contracts that have allowed him and Bron to put pressure on their teams, and cut out early if necessary. But until now, we had no idea of the secret purpose behind it all: To leave the option open of the two teaming up and rulling the world.

From the New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/me_and_lebron_Fq5z1fqsJI0NxEGm3JTn0J/1):

"Before we agreed to terms, LeBron and I had a couple conversations," Wade said. "I can’t recall exactly what we said, but the gist of it was we wanted to give ourselves the flexibility and the option to play together."

"A lot of times in this league, players usually wind up going where they can get the most money. We’re both blessed within that area. We’ve made a lot of money. So we wanted to base our decision on two things, the organization and the ability to win a title. And that’s what we’ll do. When the season is over, we plan to sit down and talk about it."

That dead silence you hear is the entire league feeling like it’s been duped, or is being run by two twenty-somethings. They’d pretended that we made up this fantasy to amuse ourselves, but really, it’s been in their platinum-plated cards all along. Wade goes on to backtrack a little—"I’m not saying it will happen. But I’m intrigued by the idea"—and acknowledges that he probably couldn’t have played with another star like LeBron earlier in his career. Nice subtle dig at Shaq there. Regardless, this is the quote that changes everything, now and forever. And remember, nothing happens by accident when King James is involved.

Get ready for the mutiny. My question: Who gets to coach?

*********************

The Vecsey column.

Wade sees LeBron as future teammate (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/me_and_lebron_Fq5z1fqsJI0NxEGm3JTn0J/1)
Peter Vecsey

"We know each other away from basketball, and I have an unbelievable respect for the person I've gotten to know during our seven years in the league."

Dwyane Wade served that morsel regarding his relationship with LeBron James during our scheduled sit-down last Wednesday in the Heat's practice gym inside American Airlines Arena . . . and that's just an appetizer.

"So," I interrupted, "contrary to Magic Johnson's impetuous opinion and popular belief, you and LeBron could play together?"

"Contrary is the operative word," Wade accentuated, all gleam. "We can play together."

Sense a two-man game in the works? A stacking of the deck?

This was my first time interviewing Wade one-on-one, I'm embarrassed to admit. Considering the less than favorable conditions -- no accrued trust, restricted (20-to-25) minutes rationed by the Heat's publicity department, crushing my usual pre-conversation concept of foreplay -- I didn't expect he would give up much more than the predictable pabulum.

Shows how little I know Wade. Friendly and forthright, he's the opposite of your typical programmed pin-up player who answers questions that weren't asked with cliches.

Appreciatively, Wade doesn't mind amplifying on sensitive subjects. There's no shutdown after a sentence or two, no creation of awkward silence that pressures you to move on to something else. Instead, he expands with no prodding and furnishes you with more than you are entitled to know.

Not once did Wade say "off the record."

Before we refocus on the pending possibility of LeBron and Wade patrolling the perimeter together (as they did in a gold medal-winning cause in the Beijing Olympics), let's revisit Heat management's premeditated determination this season to tread talent in the middle of the pool rather than contend for a championship by surpassing the luxury-tax buoy -- or add any salary to next season's $30M cap -- like the Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Magic, Mavericks, Nuggets, Hornets, Suns, Jazz, Wizards and, ahem, Cavaliers.

For owner Mickey Arison and team president Pat Riley consciously to squander Wade's superlatives for 82 games -- perhaps his last season in South Beach -- and not think he would take exception to it must mean they are pretty confident they have got him on tap for 2010-11 and beyond and believe they've got a legit chance to recruit LeBrontosaurus.

"I do want to stay," Wade said, repeating a mantra he's chanted almost every day since training camp. "However, I'm open-minded. I want to win! I want that! When we got Shaq I said, 'All right, we're trying to win it all now.' When he left, our direction changed.

"I understand the business side. I would've wanted us to make moves for someone who'll help us now and be here for the future, too.

"But I understand the plan. I'm willing to take a wait-and-see approach. I'm not the kind of guy who's going to cry to the media. It's Mickey's and Pat's job to figure it out. My job is play ball. I'm not putting pressure on them. I'm not putting a gun to their heads. I'm not saying it's got to be this way or else.

"I just want to make sure we'll be in position to compete for a title. I just want to make sure they bring in the beef.

"Is it frustrating at times? Yes, it is! I'm not in competition with Kobe, but then again I am. I want to be in that elite group that wins multiple titles."

Wade and James met in early June 2003 at the NBA's pre-draft Chicago camp. They clicked immediately. As the seasons passed, their friendship away from the game got stronger. But it wasn't until the summer of 2006 that they began to conspire; a plot was hatched to become teammates someday, perhaps.

Carmelo Anthony had signed a traditional five-year extension with the Nuggets. They also got five years but demanded and received an early out after the fourth season.

"Before we agreed to terms, LeBron and I had a couple conversations," Wade said. "I can't recall exactly what we said, but the gist of it was we wanted to give ourselves the flexibility and the option to play together.

"A lot of times in this league, players usually wind up going where they can get the most money. We're both blessed within that area. We've made a lot of money. So we wanted to base our decision on two things, the organization and the ability to win a title. And that's what we'll do. When the season is over, we plan to sit down and talk about it.

"I'm not saying it will happen. But I'm intrigued by the idea.

"I probably couldn't have handled playing with someone like LeBron earlier in my career, but I'm older now. You're talking about two big egos and meshing them. That'd take a lot of sacrifice on LeBron's part and it'd take a lot of sacrifice on my part to succeed. But we would succeed because we know winning takes care of everything."

Wade was really hyped at this point.

"For the first time, maybe the only time in our careers, we control our destiny. What do you think about that? That's the coolest thing about it."

Representing Team USA twice previously to 2008, Wade also found out he couldn't play with stars.

"Our personalities grated," Wade said. "That's why I say LeBron and I can play together. Our personalities work. Being on the court with him makes me unselfish."

"The options, that's what excites me about this. I like that you think it can't be this team [the Bulls] or that team [the Nets], yet another team [the Knicks] makes sense to you."

In Sunday's column, Wade had all but ruled out joining LeBron in lovely downtown Cleveland.

"I'd like to play here, but I don't mind where it is as long the organization is a good fit and it's committed to competing for championships. The unknown has me intrigued."

[iilluzioN]

Labron and Dwade

or

Dwade and Labron?

[23LeBronJames23]

:wow
:wow
:wow


I cant imagine that.

[djohn2oo8]

There is only one basketball

[TheMACHINE]

Cue Lebron cant win without Wade comments.

[ChrisRichards]

There is only one basketball
kome and shaq won 3 titles. so whats your point?


anyway i hope phil jackson coaches this duo. because he is the best in handling superstars/egos.

[23LeBronJames23]

Cue Lebron cant win without Wade comments.

Wasnt it you ( Laker fans) saying that you need a fully stacked team to win a championship

[ChrisRichards]

Wasnt it you ( Laker fans) saying that you need a fully stacked team to win a championship
Exactly!

[23LeBronJames23]

There is only one basketball

LeBron and Wade both average 5 or more assists so that wouldnt be a problem

[iilluzioN]

Cue Lebron cant win without Wade comments.


stfu, Kobe cant win without Shaq and Gasol/odom :lol

[TheMACHINE]

stfu, Kobe cant win without Shaq and Gasol/odom :lol

thanks for proving my point.

[stretch]

this is a duo that actually could work, because they are both pretty unselfish players.

[TheMACHINE]

Wasnt it you ( Laker fans) saying that you need a fully stacked team to win a championship

yes...you need a team to win. so what?

[23LeBronJames23]

yes...you need a team to win. so what?

and your saying LeBron cant win without Wade. By puttin Wade on same team is makin a good team.

[TheMACHINE]

and your saying LeBron cant win without Wade. By puttin Wade on same team is makin a good team.

did i say that?

[ChrisRichards]

and your saying LeBron cant win without Wade. By puttin Wade on same team is makin a good team.
Hahaha owned. Man, Lakers fans are so dense.


Great post!

[xtremesteven33]

If this happens im probably done with the NBA....

[TheMACHINE]

Hahaha owned. Man, Lakers fans are so dense.


Great post!

would be great if i acutally said that...go back on MiamiHeat and talk to yourself.

[23LeBronJames23]

Cue Lebron cant win without Wade comments.

^ Yes you said it

[TheMACHINE]

^ Yes you said it

Nigga, I said "Cue" you illiterate fuck. Now STFU.

[ChrisRichards]

Nigga, I said "Cue" you illiterate fuck. Now STFU.
Nigeria please, we all know what you meant.:rolleyes

[BadOdor]

No one would watch that shit, 60 free-throws a game ain't interesting.

[23LeBronJames23]

Nigga, I said "Cue" you illiterate fuck. Now STFU.

Truth gets you mad?

Im Sorry

[TheNextGen]

Nigga, I said "Cue" you illiterate fuck. Now STFU.

LOL...Lebron fan fails at reading comprehension.

[23LeBronJames23]

No one would watch that shit, 60 free-throws a game ain't interesting.

how about all the nasty dunks, blocks, assists etc... i bet people would watch that.

[TheMACHINE]

Truth gets you mad?

Im Sorry

good job trying to play it off. you are still fail.

[xtremesteven33]

This just goes to show that basketball will never be what it once was.

Michael Jordan would never say he would want to play with Larry Bird,Magic, or Hakeem.

He went out there and won it by himself.

[TheMACHINE]

Nigeria please, we all know what you meant.:rolleyes

sure you did. you just feel dumb for cheerleading his stupid ass on.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Truth gets you mad?

Im Sorry

christ almighty you're fucking stupid:rolleyes

[I. Hustle]

Who would coach? Phil Jackson. No way he lets that one slip by him.

[BadOdor]

Wade can't win without the refs.

[DeadlyDynasty]

sure you did. you just feel dumb for cheerleading his stupid ass on.

Give MiamiHeat a break...he's had a rough day

[boston.balla]

If this happens im probably done with the NBA....

that would be awesome.

I hate this idiotic concept of "being the man". Basketball is a team game, you prove to be a much better player if you understand that. Best example is the showtime.

Miami has the cap space to do this thing. Beasly + chalmers + wade + bron +mle big + vet minimum players. That team would be .. god damn .. that's shitload of scoring plus at least 3 good/great defenders in the starting 5 .. imagine phx vs miami next year :lmao

[anonoftheinternets]

yeah .. right...this is going to happen ...

[iilluzioN]

wtf r u haters talking about no body will watch LOL

stupidest thing I ever heard,

We are talking about Labron

[ChrisRichards]

sure you did. you just feel dumb for cheerleading his stupid ass on.
Ok. you keep telling yourself that. Im out.

[I. Hustle]

that would be awesome.

I hate this idiotic concept of "being the man". Basketball is a team game, you prove to be a much better player if you understand that. Best example is the showtime.

Miami has the cap space to do this thing. Beasly + chalmers + wade + bron +mle big + vet minimum players. That team would be .. god damn .. that's shitload of scoring plus at least 3 good/great defenders in the starting 5 .. imagine phx vs miami next year :lmao

I say pack 'em up and ship them both to Chicago so they can fulfill all their Jordan fantasies.

[iilluzioN]

This just goes to show that basketball will never be what it once was.

Michael Jordan would never say he would want to play with Larry Bird,Magic, or Hakeem.

He went out there and won it by himself.


um, Pippen ?

[boston.balla]

I say pack 'em up and ship them both to Chicago so they can fulfill all their Jordan fantasies.

do they have cap space?

[picc84]

Wouldnt mind seeing this. It'd be great for the NBA. I know if I was in the league a superstar along with one of my best friends, i'd dream about us playing together. They could live in Miami as young men, competing for titles and going to the beach every other day. That sounds like the life.

[23LeBronJames23]

I say pack 'em up and ship them both to Chicago so they can fulfill all their Jordan fantasies.

wont happen unless Joakim Noah leaves Chicago.

[ElNono]

No one would watch that shit, 60 free-throws a game ain't interesting.

That's what I keep telling Mav fans...

[I. Hustle]

wont happen unless Joakim Noah leaves Chicago.

If they had a shot at getting both they would find a way to dump Joakim. OR they could just keep him and pay a bunch of retards to sit the bench and take up space on the floor and get rid of everyone else.

[Chillen]

LeBron and Wade on the same team, = scary good and an NBA title.

[Allanon]

It would bring some excitement but that ain't going to bring them championships.

LeBron and DWade don't have post games and both are slashers. They'll be interfering with each other's game. No different than Richard Jefferson trying to play with Tony Parker.

If they want championships; they should be trying to team up with Dwight and not each other.

[lefty]

There is only one basketball
But Stern will allow the Knicks, and only the Knicks, to play with 2 balls

[stretch]

LeBron and DWade don't have post games and both are slashers. They'll be interfering with each other's game. No different than Richard Jefferson trying to play with Tony Parker.

except they are both way better and way more versatile than those guys.

even if they dont have post games, they will feed of each other drawing attention and double teams. all you would need are some servicable players around them and they should be fine. similar to Jordan/Pippen.

[milkshakeballa]

Can't believe a LAKER fan is going to bring this up but from the article


"But I understand the plan. I'm willing to take a wait-and-see approach. I'm not the kind of guy who's going to cry to the media. It's Mickey's and Pat's job to figure it out. My job is play ball. I'm not putting pressure on them. I'm not putting a gun to their heads. I'm not saying it's got to be this way or else."


That is a DIRTY shot at Kobe from Wade...hahaha

[Chillen]

It would bring some excitement but that ain't going to bring them championships.

LeBron and DWade don't have post games and both are slashers. They'll be interfering with each other's game. No different than Richard Jefferson trying to play with Tony Parker.

If they want championships; they should be trying to team up with Dwight and not each other.

I disagree. If they got some size down low to protect the paint, on offense they would be deadly. If you double team LeBron and he passes it to Wade and double team Wade he passes it to LeBron, pick your poison there. As long as they had a solid supporting cast, they would win the NBA title.

[Allanon]

except they are both way better and way more versatile than those guys.

even if they dont have post games, they will feed of each other drawing attention and double teams. all you would need are some servicable players around them and they should be fine. similar to Jordan/Pippen.

Y'know, I thought of Jordan and Pippen when I wrote that. But then I remembered Jordan was great in the Post.

I don't think they're an effective combo due to them playing the same spots on the floor...but with their talent, it's hard to rule it out for sure.

[milkshakeballa]

It would bring some excitement but that ain't going to bring them championships.

LeBron and DWade don't have post games and both are slashers. They'll be interfering with each other's game. No different than Richard Jefferson trying to play with Tony Parker.

If they want championships; they should be trying to team up with Dwight and not each other.


god dman allanon....outside of your love affair with pau you have been calling shit like it is.....

wade and bron both need the ball 90% of the time..

would they be a great team? absolutely....but could they win a title???? they have to prove that

Chalmers
Wade
Bron
Beezy
MLE Big?

Bench????


Not sure that team beats next years Lakers going for a 3 peat....would be fun though...

[milkshakeballa]

I disagree. If they got some size down low to protect the paint, on offense they would be deadly. If you double team LeBron and he passes it to Wade and double team Wade he passes it to LeBron, pick your poison there. As long as they had a solid supporting cast, they would win the NBA title.

With Kobe you don't need to double Wade....

Wade is by far MOST effective at PnR....

Is LeBron such a deadly 3 point shooter???? exactly....wade would not be as good as he is now....they both NEED the ball....NEED IT....

Like allanon said....Wade should do whatever he can to team up with Howard. Wade/Howard/plus a KNOCKDOWN 3 shooter would be DEADLY on offense.

[ChrisRichards]

:lol @ Laker fans. You're insecurities are overwhelming.



If Wade can lead a team of players who needs the ball (Payton, Shaq,Antoine Walker,James Posey,Jason Williams) then what makes y'all think a Bron (who is a very willing passer) and Wade (also a willing passer) wont work?

[Allanon]

I disagree. If they got some size down low to protect the paint, on offense they would be deadly. If you double team LeBron and he passes it to Wade and double team Wade he passes it to LeBron, pick your poison there. As long as they had a solid supporting cast, they would win the NBA title.

I think that's the problem with them two. You don't need to double team them out on the perimeter. It's alot like TP and RJ.

The same tactics teams use against TP/RJ right now can apply to Wade/LeBron because they're both most effective slashing to the basket. Neither one posts up and both start their attack at the 3 point line.

So you let them shoot 3 point shots with just one defender and bring the other 3 guys into the paint. No need for double-teaming.

As Stretch said, their talent is much greater, so that may be enough to overcome but I am not sure.

[picc84]

With Kobe you don't need to double Wade....

Wade is by far MOST effective at PnR....

Is LeBron such a deadly 3 point shooter???? exactly....wade would not be as good as he is now....they both NEED the ball....NEED IT....

Like allanon said....Wade should do whatever he can to team up with Howard. Wade/Howard/plus a KNOCKDOWN 3 shooter would be DEADLY on offense.

Neither was Pippen. Pippen couldn't shoot for shit, let alone 3's.

Lebron's shooting >> Pippen's shooting. On top of doing everything else better than Pippen did except defending.

[milkshakeballa]

I think that's the problem with them two. You don't need to double team them out on the perimeter. It's alot like TP and RJ.

The same tactics teams use against TP/RJ right now can apply to Wade/LeBron because they're both most effective slashing to the basket. Neither one posts up and both start their attack at the 3 point line.

So you let them shoot 3 point shots with just one defender and bring the other 3 guys into the paint. No need for double-teaming.

As Stretch said, their talent is much greater, so that may be enough to overcome but I am not sure.


yep....

Wade NEEDS the PnR....NEEDS it....thats how he goes off....all teams will do is just pack the paint against them two...

Now if LeBron actually got his ass in the gym and got a knockdown 3 ball and a post game....then the league would have the next great rivalry....

[milkshakeballa]

Neither was Pippen. Pippen couldn't shoot for shit, let alone 3's.

Lebron's shooting >> Pippen's shooting. On top of doing everything else better than Pippen did except defending.


uhhh...wat the fuck?????


is this about bron/wade vs. jordan/pippen?

it isnt close. Pippen/Jordan BOTH are in a different league defensively than those guys...it isn't even remotely close. Jordan had the best post game in the NBA at the time.... Pippen didn't need the ball in his hands to have a dramatic impact on the game.....wade and lebron both do...

[djohn2oo8]

uhhh...wat the fuck?????


is this about bron/wade vs. jordan/pippen?

it isnt close. Pippen/Jordan BOTH are in a different league defensively than those guys...it isn't even remotely close. Jordan had the best post game in the NBA at the time.... Pippen didn't need the ball in his hands to have a dramatic impact on the game.....wade and lebron both do...

LeBron blocks shots alot, and can facilitate ...thats why he better all around than Wade

[Allanon]

Now if LeBron actually got his ass in the gym and got a post game....then the league would have the next great rivalry....

I agree with this. LeBron with a post game plus Wade would be deadly.

I still don't understand why LeBron doesn't put the time into a post game.

[picc84]

uhhh...wat the fuck?????


is this about bron/wade vs. jordan/pippen?

it isnt close. Pippen/Jordan BOTH are in a different league defensively than those guys...it isn't even remotely close. Jordan had the best post game in the NBA at the time.... Pippen didn't need the ball in his hands to have a dramatic impact on the game.....wade and lebron both do...

The fuck is that you specifically were talking about offense, and Wade's need for floor space that would be hurt by Lebrons bad shooting. Except on offense both of them are better shooters than Pippen, who couldnt shoot the ball for shit and also NEEDED the ball and yet still somehow coexisted effectively with jordan on OFFENSE, which is wat the fuck you were talking about. Dont change the subject, son.

[stretch]

Y'know, I thought of Jordan and Pippen when I wrote that. But then I remembered Jordan was great in the Post.

I don't think they're an effective combo due to them playing the same spots on the floor...but with their talent, it's hard to rule it out for sure.

how do they play the same spots? lebron is a 3. wade is a 1/2

[iilluzioN]

how do they play the same spots? lebron is a 3. wade is a 1/2


your right!

[Allanon]

how do they play the same spots? lebron is a 3. wade is a 1/2

Not the same position as in PG/SG/SF/PF/C, I mean the same spots on the floor.

LeBron and Wade both initiate their plays from the 3 point line. Either they drive and score, drive and kick or shoot a 3.

They play different positions but their style of play is very similar.

So to defend them, you send 2 guys out to the 3 point line and collapse 3 guys in the lane.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Kobe/Gasol > Wade/Lebron

[stretch]

I agree with this. LeBron with a post game plus Wade would be deadly.

I still don't understand why LeBron doesn't put the time into a post game.

um lebrons post game has definitely improved. its not like a top notch game yet, but its gonna take time to develop, and he has clearly been utilizing it more effectively this year.

crap like this is getting old. kinda like the "dirk plays no defense, hes _irk nowitzki! LLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!11!!!" bullshit.

quit living in the past

[Allanon]

um lebrons post game has definitely improved. its not like a top notch game yet, but its gonna take time to develop, and he has clearly been utilizing it more effectively this year.

crap like this is getting old. kinda like the "dirk plays no defense, hes _irk nowitzki! LLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!11!!!" bullshit.

quit living in the past

I've seen LeBron in the post this year, he looks clumsy.

His only move is to swing to the center and jump hook. He doesn't get deep position and his shot looks more like a throw than a shot.

[milkshakeballa]

um lebrons post game has definitely improved. its not like a top notch game yet, but its gonna take time to develop, and he has clearly been utilizing it more effectively this year.

crap like this is getting old. kinda like the "dirk plays no defense, hes _irk nowitzki! LLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!11!!!" bullshit.

quit living in the past



no...he doesnt.....

[milkshakeballa]

The fuck is that you specifically were talking about offense, and Wade's need for floor space that would be hurt by Lebrons bad shooting. Except on offense both of them are better shooters than Pippen, who couldnt shoot the ball for shit and also NEEDED the ball and yet still somehow coexisted effectively with jordan on OFFENSE, which is wat the fuck you were talking about. Dont change the subject, son.


ok ok chill out son....

on offense... jordan had a incredible post game....pippen had an underrated post game as well....they both didnt play the same slash drive to the hoop pick and roll as bron and wade do...

im saying

wade OR lebron / bosh >>>>>>>>> wade/lebron

[21_Blessings]

Still not beating the Lakers next year.

And which one is taking a pay cut to play with the other?

[21_Blessings]

Oh and last I checked Wade and Lebron failed to a win a Gold in 04 and 06 together so it's not like this means an automatic championship every year.

[23LeBronJames23]

Oh and last I checked Wade and Lebron failed to a win a Gold in 04 and 06 together so it's not like this means an automatic championship every year.

living the past?

uhmmm LeBron improved which is why he was MVP last year.

[stretch]

Still not beating the Lakers next year.

really


Oh and last I checked Wade and Lebron failed to a win a Gold in 04 and 06 together so it's not like this means an automatic championship every year.

Oh and last I checked Kobe and the Lakers failed to win a championship and got raped by the Celtics in 08 so its not like this means an automatic championship every year.

[milkshakeballa]

really



Oh and last I checked Kobe and the Lakers failed to win a championship and got raped by the Celtics in 08 so its not like this means an automatic championship every year.


ye pierce TORCHED artest those finals....he killed us! and drew didnt do shit!!!! fuck dont remind me

[21_Blessings]

living the past?

uhmmm LeBron improved which is why he was MVP last year.

uhmmm Lebron has regressed which is why Kobe (gotten better) is the MVP this year. :king

[badfish22]

:lmao Laker fans are getting scared by this bs story.

[21_Blessings]

Oh and last I checked Kobe and the Lakers failed to win a championship and got raped by the Celtics in 08 so its not like this means an automatic championship every year.

Last I checked the Lakers were down two starters that year.

But hey enjoy watching Dirk never win a :lobt2:

[milkshakeballa]

:lmao Laker fans are getting scared by this bs story.


ahha im actually HOPING this happens...the nba will be a joke the next 4 years if it DOESNT happen...

that team might take us to 6 games.....and some of the games might be close....

they would not be a contender tho against la

[My Fault]

I still think Lebron goes to NJ but if it's Bosh or Wade that goes with....

[badfish22]

ahha im actually HOPING this happens...the nba will be a joke the next 4 years if it DOESNT happen...

that team might take us to 6 games.....and some of the games might be close....

they would not be a contender tho against la

:lmao
They would destroy you

[TheMACHINE]

um lebrons post game has definitely improved. its not like a top notch game yet, but its gonna take time to develop, and he has clearly been utilizing it more effectively this year.

crap like this is getting old. kinda like the "dirk plays no defense, hes _irk nowitzki! LLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!11!!!" bullshit.

quit living in the past

You might be right. We'll have to see if Lebron can actually post up Derek Fisher this year.

[TheMACHINE]

:lmao
They would destroy you

suuuureee.

[milkshakeballa]

You might be right. We'll have to see if Lebron can actually post up Derek Fisher this year.



:rollin:rollin:rollin

love the sig btw man....he is going to destroy floyd....

[DeadlyDynasty]

um lebrons post game has definitely improved. its not like a top notch game yet, but its gonna take time to develop, and he has clearly been utilizing it more effectively this year.

crap like this is getting old. kinda like the "dirk plays no defense, hes _irk nowitzki! LLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!11!!!" bullshit.

quit living in the past

Wtf have you been watching this year? It may be "improved," but he still looks horribly uncoordinated in the post

[badfish22]

suuuureee.

u scared.

Imagine if they both went to the Nets

Harris
Wade
Lebron
Favors
Lopez

:wow

[Findog]

I don't see it happening because which one of them would be the established #1 guy? Are they going to be happy sharing the credit? And like 21 Blessings said, which one is going to take the paycut so they can both sign with a team?

The salary cap is probably expected to drop even lower next year, so a team like the Knicks can only sign one max player. If Bron is so fat and happy from his endorsement money, why hasn't he taken less money from the Cavaliers so they can go out and get his Pau Gasol? And where would they play together?

Cleveland? Wade is leaving winters in Miami for Cleveland?
New York? Who is taking the paycut so the Knicks can sign both?
Miami? Is Bron going to step into a situation where that's Wade's team and Wade is the fan favorite?

I wouldn't be shocked if this happened, but money talks, and these guys egos are tied to their salary.

[milkshakeballa]

:lmao
They would destroy you


LOL Artest vs. Bron...Bron will get his but won't dominate...

Kobe vs. Wade.....AHAHAHA

Fisher/Shanwow/Farmar vs. Chalmers... Is Chalmers really going beat us??

Drew vs. MLE Big... AHaha....let's call it a wash

Pau vs. Beasley AHAHHAH love it


And games aren't won like this. Lakers pieces fit like a fukin puzzle. Lebron and wade is like trying to run your gas off of fukin piss....shit aint goin work playa

[Findog]

u scared.

Imagine if they both went to the Nets

Harris
Wade
Lebron
Favors
Lopez

:wow

No premier FA is going to the Nets until they move to Brooklyn and get the ownership situation settled.

[Allanon]

:lmao Laker fans are getting scared by this bs story.

It sounds like a cool pairing; until you look at how they play.

Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson struggling to adapt to each other is a pretty good indicator of why this wouldn't work. LBJ & Wade are much more talented but they still face the same problem...they both like the same spots on the floor.

And I also can't think of any successful 1-2 combos that didn't have a post player.

I think this move will ruin both their careers but I'm more than happy to wait it out for the outcome.

Forcing LBJ & Wade into roles they're not accustomed to is not going to beat a Lakers team with players very well matched to their skillset at each position.

[badfish22]

No premier FA is going to the Nets until they move to Brooklyn and get the ownership situation settled.

Isn't it already confirmed they are moving to Brooklyn. And the ownership situation could be settled soon.
I still don't think any of this will happen, but its funny seeing Laker fan getting scared.

[milkshakeballa]

I think the NBA will PUSH for this to happen just for the sake of the league....dominance is good but when the Lakers win the next 4 or 5 titles in the row.....that will drive ratings down the fukin drain.....and a ton of fans will be turned away from the league and using the "fixed officiating" as an excuse cuz their teams front office is a fukin joke compared to LA!

[jonnybravo]

I don't see it happening because which one of them would be the established #1 guy? Are they going to be happy sharing the credit? And like 21 Blessings said, which one is going to take the paycut so they can both sign with a team?

The salary cap is probably expected to drop even lower next year, so a team like the Knicks can only sign one max player. If Bron is so fat and happy from his endorsement money, why hasn't he taken less money from the Cavaliers so they can go out and get his Pau Gasol? And where would they play together?

Cleveland? Wade is leaving winters in Miami for Cleveland?
New York? Who is taking the paycut so the Knicks can sign both?
Miami? Is Bron going to step into a situation where that's Wade's team and Wade is the fan favorite?

I wouldn't be shocked if this happened, but money talks, and these guys egos are tied to their salary.

Assuming the team is Miami, neither will have to take a paycut.

Lebron can sign first. If Miami resigns Wade, they can go as high as the max since they have his rights.

This of course assumes that the owner is willing to go balls out into Luxury Tax territory but for a pair like that, who wouldn't?

[Thompson]

u scared.

Imagine if they both went to the Nets

Harris
Wade
Lebron
Favors
Lopez

:wow

This is what I was thinking. The Nets are getting a top 4 pick (probably 1), and could do a number of things, from drafting Wall and trading Harris to just drafting a power forward and adding LeBron and Wade (LeBron has ties to Jay Z or whatever his name is).

[Allanon]

This is what I was thinking. The Nets are getting a top 4 pick (probably 1), and could do a number of things, from drafting Wall and trading Harris to just drafting a power forward and adding LeBron and Wade (LeBron has ties to Jay Z or whatever his name is).

LeBron and/or Wade with Brook Lopez...now THAT would be impressive.

[Findog]

Isn't it already confirmed they are moving to Brooklyn.

Nope. The new arena is still in the blueprint drawing stage.

[Findog]

Assuming the team is Miami, neither will have to take a paycut.

Lebron can sign first. If Miami resigns Wade, they can go as high as the max since they have his rights.

This of course assumes that the owner is willing to go balls out into Luxury Tax territory but for a pair like that, who wouldn't?

I just wonder if LeBron is willing to enter into that situation where Wade is the guy who has won the title there and it's his franchise. I think there could be territorial issues. They may be friends, but they both also have gigantic egos.

[milkshakeballa]

No chance BOTH go to NJ...pretty sure they can only offer 1 max.....no way they take that muhc of a paycut

[Findog]

No chance BOTH go to NJ...pretty sure they can only offer 1 max.....no way they take that muhc of a paycut

And not for such a failure of a franchise. It would be one thing if they're playing in a shiny new arena in Brooklyn, but that's years away, if ever.

[jonnybravo]

And not for such a failure of a franchise. It would be one thing if they're playing in a shiny new arena in Brooklyn, but that's years away, if ever.

Given the fact that the salary cap is estimated to go down a few more million, the only team currently able to offer two maxes would be the Heat. They have the salary cap room to get Lebron with a max offer, and they can ignore the cap to resign Wade via his Bird rights.

New York/NJ can enter the picture if a few more moves are made (particularly NY since they're looking to unload Curry/Jeffries). They both currently can offer one max and one VERY close to max (the exact amount depends on the cap at the end of the year).

[mogrovejo]

Given the fact that the salary cap is estimated to go down a few more million, the only team currently able to offer two maxes would be the Heat. They have the salary cap room to get Lebron with a max offer, and they can ignore the cap to resign Wade via his Bird rights.

New York/NJ can enter the picture if a few more moves are made (particularly NY since they're looking to unload Curry/Jeffries.


Assuming the team is Miami, neither will have to take a paycut.

Lebron can sign first. If Miami resigns Wade, they can go as high as the max since they have his rights.

This of course assumes that the owner is willing to go balls out into Luxury Tax territory but for a pair like that, who wouldn't?

Guys, the Heat can sign both players to a max contract (James will always have to take a pay-cuy if he leaves Cleveland, as Wade will if he leaves Miami), but it doesn't work that way. Until you sign your own free-agents, you are stuck with their cap-holds, that in Wade's case is enormous. If they renounce Wade in order to get rid of the hold, they'd lose his rights. So, they'll have to re-sign Wade first and then sign LeBron James with the remaining cap-space. They can't simply "ignore the cap", that would be too easy (if cap holds didn't exist, it's theoretically possible for a team to have its entire roster become free agents at the same time, have their entire cap to spend on other team's free agents, and then use Bird rights to re-sign their own ones afterwards).

The Nets have cap-space to sign them both as well and many other teams, like, say, the Rockets, can still create enough cap-room to sign them both to max-contracts if they want to.

[JamStone]

New Jersey Nets make perfect sense now.

[jonnybravo]

Guys, the Heat can sign both players to a max contract (James will always have to take a pay-cuy if he leaves Cleveland, as Wade will if he leaves Miami), but it doesn't work that way. Until you sign your own free-agents, you are stuck with their cap-holds, that in Wade's case is enormous. If they renounce Wade in order to get rid of the hold, they'd lose his rights. So, they'll have to re-sign Wade first and then sign LeBron James with the remaining cap-space. They can't simply "ignore the cap", that would be too easy.

The Nets have cap-space to sign them both as well and many other teams, like, say, the Rockets, can still create enough cap-room to sign them both to max-contracts if they want to.


Really? Hmm, that's interesting. I take it back then.

If the cap goes down further, I don't think any team can give two max contracts. The tams you mentioned can 1 Max and 1 really close to max. Lebron and Wade can fight over who gets what. Everything depends on the salary cap though.

*edit* - Looks like Miami can hand out two even with Wade's cap hold. They're ridiculously under even WITH his hold.

New Jersey is right there. NY would need to rid of Jeffries or Curry (not happening).

This will be a fun off-season. Reminds me completely of the summer of 1996. Second year of college ending with a Shaq signing was fucking awesome for me.

[TheMACHINE]

the only way a team with both Lebron and Wade will win the Gold..errr i mean a championship is if Kobe joins and tells them to piggy back.

[milkshakeballa]

now a Chalmers/Wade/Bron/Beasley/Bosh team would contend with the Lakers. it would be close. a definate 7 game series....and i think over a 4 year period i think LA takes 3 and Miami takes 1. That Miami team would have ZERO bench though but with 3 stars 2 of them could ALWAYS be on the floor at the same time.

[ChrisRichards]

the only way a team with both Lebron and Wade will win the Gold..errr i mean a championship is if Kobe joins and tells them to piggy back.
You really believe that? Sheesh, no wonder Kobe gets an even worst rap. His fanbase are about 96% douchebags detached with reality.

[mogrovejo]

Really? Hmm, that's interesting. I take it back then.

If the cap goes down further, I don't think any team can give two max contracts. The tams you mentioned can 1 Max and 1 really close to max. Lebron and Wade can fight over who gets what. Everything depends on the salary cap though.

*edit* - Looks like Miami can hand out two even with Wade's cap hold. They're ridiculously under even WITH his hold.

New Jersey is right there. NY would need to rid of Jeffries or Curry (not happening).

This will be a fun off-season. Reminds me completely of the summer of 1996. Second year of college ending with a Shaq signing was fucking awesome for me.

Yups, exactly, that's what I said.

And New Jersey can do it too, they just need to renounce to the rights for some of their crap (they'll only keep Harris, Lopez, Yi, Williams, Roberts and Lee - roughly $20 millions - if the cap is around $55M, that would mean they can offer 2 max contracts).

New York can get rid of one of those guys, but I don't think it's worth the risk unless they get strong signals that two of the top-tier max contract FA are willing to sign with them. If Wade+LeBron want to play in NY together, then Walsh will find the cap room, have no doubts about that.

[mogrovejo]

now a Chalmers/Wade/Bron/Beasley/Bosh team would contend with the Lakers. it would be close. a definate 7 game series....and i think over a 4 year period i think LA takes 3 and Miami takes 1 .

:rollin:lmao

I should start bookmarking this shit. Lakers fans and their own little wacko world.

[milkshakeballa]

:rollin:lmao

I should start bookmarking this shit. Lakers fans and their own little wacko world.


sucks you won a title and will enjoy another 20 years of mediocrity you fukni cunt unlike the lakers....a fukni dynasty in every decade bitch...learn how its done

[hater]

There is only one basketball

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

and only 1 foul can be called at a time

[mogrovejo]

sucks you won a title

No kid, we won 17. Seventeen. And in 9 - nine - 9 of them we raped your ass. Like this:

jeev8dZ0lg0

Now go back to your fantasy world, I'm here to talk to fellow reality-based posters.

[milkshakeballa]

No kid, we won 17. Seventeen. And in 9 - nine - 9 of them we raped your ass. Like this:

jeev8dZ0lg0

Now go back to your fantasy world, I'm here to talk to fellow reality-based posters.


you have been irrevelant for 20 fucking years....

you think this kind of shit would ever happen to the best fukni franchise in nba history:

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think again you fukni bean town punk ass bitch

[Allanon]

No kid, we won 17. Seventeen. And in 9 - nine - 9 of them we raped your ass. Like this:

Today's Celtics, like the Patriots and Sox before them, are 1 and Done.

With apologies to the non-bandwagon Celtic fans.

[MiamiHeat]

Wow, this is awesome news. I have heard rumors about it before....

It makes sense though. The Lakers unfairly stacked their team, that Derek Fisher fiasco, and the Gasol trade was obvious collusion, and now they got Ron Artest on top of that.


Makes sense to me. If I was an NBA superstar, I would team up with someone too. You already have millions upon millions of dollars......... team up and win 6 championships or maybe more and be engraved in history forever.

[ChrisRichards]

Wow, this is awesome news. I have heard rumors about it before....

It makes sense though. The Lakers unfairly stacked their team, that Derek Fisher fiasco, and the Gasol trade was obvious collusion, and now they got Ron Artest on top of that.


Makes sense to me. If I was an NBA superstar, I would team up with someone too. You already have millions upon millions of dollars......... team up and win 6 championships or maybe more and be engraved in history forever.
yeah im excited too. great post btw, i would rep you if spurstalk allowed us lol :)

[DeadlyDynasty]

yeah im excited too. great post btw, i would rep you if spurstalk allowed us lol :)

It's just sad now MH...give up the schtick already dude

[MiamiHeat]

It's just sad now MH...give up the schtick already dude

you = owned by ChrisRichards

[TheMACHINE]

you = owned by chrisrichards aka me

fify

[MiamiHeat]

hah, now i know you trolling :)

anyway

LeBron probably comes to Miami, or they both dip to Chicago is what I guess

[RsxPiimp]

you = owned by ChrisRichards

you're not convincing anyone. just choose an account faggot.

[MiamiHeat]

Because Michael wasn't a role player, dumb dumb. You guys are so far beneath my understanding of the game that its comical. I took so much heat for calling The Whistler an overrated role player, and now you see, or do you still need proof? The guy got lucky with the help of the refs. Hell, he's not even the leading man in his commercials, Chuck is. He wants to be cute, but is quite clownish. He and James would make for an epic failure, and would only enhance Kobe's legacy when they fall. I hope this happens. Sucks for Miami and Cavs fans though.

I said he was overrated before, but you go overboard.

He's a great player, top 3 in the league, but he's not on Brons level.

If they team up, they will win titles.

[024]

if the lakers look unstoppable and cruise to the finals, these two will seriously consider being on the same team. they're not stupid. lakers are built to last another 2 or 3 years of dominance and no way will they wait that long to win a title. it would be pretty incredible to watch two of the top 3 players in the league on the same team. both are great passers, unselfish, and can play off the ball.

[badfish22]

now a Chalmers/Wade/Bron/Beasley/Bosh team would contend with the Lakers. it would be close. a definate 7 game series....and i think over a 4 year period i think LA takes 3 and Miami takes 1. That Miami team would have ZERO bench though but with 3 stars 2 of them could ALWAYS be on the floor at the same time.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Rockets took you to a 7 game series, the Celtics kicked your ass, and you think the Lakers could beat a team with Lebron/Wade/Bosh?

:lmao

[iggypop123]

salary cap is going down. they wont take less than max to play together. id like to see lebron tell wade so you are the one taking less right?

[KidCongo]

Fuck off LeBron's ego is to big to go to Wade's team. Why can't Wade shut the fuck up. It's obvious this would only happen because the Lakers received an All-Star for free so it changed the balance of the league.