Should the BCS replace the Pac-10 with the MWC?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Seeing as how the pac-10 is either a total steaming pile of shit conference when USC blows, or a one-team conference when it isnt, and the MWC beats them in every possible game every year.

:rollin and there were some ass wizards who said Cal was the best team in the nation back in weeks 1-3

[Spursfan092120]

lol Crap-10

[mookie2001]

still doesnt prove anything

if the west coast athletic conference were 2-0 tlong would be beavering the same ol shit that nobody has listened to for years

[Cant_Be_Faded]

He probably cancelled the order for his Pac-10 Starter's Jacket official apparel

[Girasuck]

lol pac-10

[holcs50]

Before jumping to conclusions about the conference why don't we wait and see how it plays out? What will you say if UA beats Nebraska pretty good, a team UT barely/luckily could get by. Oregon still can stomp tOSU. Stanford without luck will prob lose to OU. Just saying if pac goes 0-6 in bowls then you could say that, but lets see how it plays out.

[johngateswhiteley]

Before jumping to conclusions about the conference why don't we wait and see how it plays out? What will you say if UA beats Nebraska pretty good, a team UT barely/luckily could get by. Oregon still can stomp tOSU. Stanford without luck will prob lose to OU. Just saying if pac goes 0-6 in bowls then you could say that, but lets see how it plays out.

Exactly. Course, I could use the capn mike argument...last year when the Pac 10 went undefeated in bowls, mike said we were the favorites...well not so far, at least by rankings.

We'll see what happens with ucla, uo, stanford and usc. But I won't lie...I've been disappointed thus far...Oregon state, in particular, played like dog shit.

[Trainwreck2100]

Before jumping to conclusions about the conference why don't we wait and see how it plays out? What will you say if UA beats Nebraska pretty good, a team UT barely/luckily could get by. Oregon still can stomp tOSU. Stanford without luck will prob lose to OU. Just saying if pac goes 0-6 in bowls then you could say that, but lets see how it plays out.


That Arizona game depends on whether Suh phones it in so he won't risk injury.

[elbamba]

This really says more about how good the MWC is rather than how bad the PAC-10 is. The MWC has 3 teams that can play with anyont in TCU, BYU and Utah. Then it has a few average teams like Air Force and Wyoming. The only team in the PAC-10 that turns out teams consistently better then the MWC is USC.

However, TCU, BYU and Utah are better this year than at least half of the teams in the Big 12, SEC, Big East and I would say all the teams in the Big-10.

MWC has consistently beat the big boys and deserves a shot at the national title.

[IronMexican]

I can't wait till I see CBF pimp OU when they beat Stanford.

[johngateswhiteley]

I can't wait till I see CBF pimp OU when they beat Stanford.

BTW, when I picked Stanford, I didn't realize luck was out...that's huge. I wonder if they could win without him?

[Biggems]

IMO, D-1 football should have ten 12-team divisions. What this means is, some conferences would have to re-align and independents would have to join conferences. Now, I will not post the realignment as I prefer it, but instead how I feel it should be, without totally realigning the conferences. Basically, I will merely be rearranging some of the lesser conferences.

1 (12)
USC
UCLA
Stanford
California
Oregon
Oregon St
Washington
Washington St
Arizona
Arizona St
Hawaii
San Diego St

2 (12)
Boise St
Idaho
Nevada
UNLV
Fresno St
San Jose St
Utah
Utah St
BYU
Air Force
Wyoming
Colorado St

3 (12)
Michigan
Michigan St
Purdue
Northwestern
Illinois
Indiana
Minnesota
Iowa
Penn St
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Notre Dame

4 (12)
Cincinnati
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Connecticut
South Florida
Louisville
Syracuse
Army
Navy
East Carolina
Central Florida

5 (12)
Florida
Tennessee
Georgia
South Carolina
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Alabama
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi St
Arkansas
Auburn

6 (12)
Texas
A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Baylor
Texas Tech
Colorado
Nebraska
Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Missouri

7 (12)
Clemson
Virginia Tech
Florida St
Wake Forest
North Carolina St
North Carolina
Maryland
Georgia Tech
Miami FL
Duke
Virginia
Boston College

8 (12)
Troy
Middle Tennessee
Louisiana Monroe
Florida Atlantic
Louisiana Lafayette
Arkansas St
Florida International
Western Kentucky
Southern Mississippi
Marshall
Alabama Birmingham
Miami OH

9 (12)
New Mexico
New Mexico St
Texas El Paso
Tulsa
Tulane
Rice
Southern Methodist
Houston
Texas Christian
North Texas
Memphis
Louisiana Tech

10 (12)
Ohio
Temple
Bowling Green
Kent St
Buffalo
Akron
Central Michigan
Northern Illinois
Western Michigan
Toledo
Eastern Michigan
Ball St

Each team plays 11 Conference games. The top 2 teams in each conference play in the Conference Championship. The winner goes to the playoffs. The 4 lowest ranked Conference Champions play in the Wild Card round, with the winners joining the other 6 Conference Champs and setting up the elite 8.

1 vs 8
4 vs 5

2 vs 7
3 vs 6

9 playoff games in all....Pasadena (Rose Bowl), Glendale (Fiesta Bowl), Dallas (Cotton Bowl/Cowboys Stadium), New Orleans (Sugar Bowl), Miami (Orange Bowl), Atlanta (Georgia Dome, San Antonio (Alamo Bowl), Orlando (Capitol 1 Bowl), Los Angeles (Coliseum)

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I can't wait till I see CBF pimp OU when they beat Stanford.

no way.

Check the record, CBF never pimps OU in any possibly possible way. I picked Stanford to beat them, in fact, I hope Stanford crushes the fuck out of OU. I have never wanted them to win a single game or 'pimped the conference' when they win EVER.

Nothing that benefits OU will ever benefit UT. I hope Toby leaves a huge gaping wound in their ass by running them into the mud all day.

I was one of the two people on this board hoping OU would lose an extra conference game last year, even if it meant Tech would win the conference outright via the UT tiebreaker. I was one of the few people who was wanting Tebow to dominate them in the title game.

Check the record bitch.



OU sucks ASS.

[Ghazi]

Pac 10 > Big 12

[vander]

why not just add a 7th AQ conference, a 12 team Hybrid of the WAC and MWC?

[tlongII]

Non-issue.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

lol MWC is droppin pac10 teams like nino brown on thanksgiving

[johngateswhiteley]

Pac 10 > Big 12

i love how nobody is denying this. further, the Pac-10 was as good as anyone this year...oregon state just flopped for some reason. probably cause they were disappointed about their game against oregon, just like last year. the utah game doesn't surprise me at all, utah is good and Cal has been inconsistent.

its fun to poke at, but anyone who really thinks the MWC is better, just isn't watching enough football. though, the MWC is very good this year. another factor, imo, is the MWC is supremely motivated going into these match ups with BCS conferences (namely Pac-10)...although, its inexcusable from the other side. ridiculous not to be ready and match intensity...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

its fun to poke at, but anyone who really thinks the MWC is better, just isn't watching enough football. ..

The only football I watch is games where MWC crushes pac10 teams. And that's like every time they play each other.

The MWC owns the pac10 in every conceivable way. Victory over a vaunted top SEC team in a BCS bowl, complete domination in matchups for years now, Cal was being pimped as the best team in the nation to start the season and they get dropped by a mediocre MWC team, Oregon State got shellacked and people considered them by far the best pac10 team at one point.

Sad conference, brah, pac10 loses all prestige it garnered last year.

[johngateswhiteley]

The only football I watch is games where MWC crushes pac10 teams. And that's like every time they play each other.

The MWC owns the pac10 in every conceivable way. Victory over a vaunted top SEC team in a BCS bowl, complete domination in matchups for years now, Cal was being pimped as the best team in the nation to start the season and they get dropped by a mediocre MWC team, Oregon State got shellacked and people considered them by far the best pac10 team at one point.

Sad conference, brah, pac10 loses all prestige it garnered last year.

1) there was like 1 dude calling Cal the best team this year

2) nobody thought oregon state was the best team in the Pac-10 this year, other than oregon state fan

...why do you make shit up? anyway, i honestly think the pac-10 isn't getting up for the games against the MWC. i don't know why, either.

[mookie2001]

Oregon state only lost so many games BECAUSE they're so good

[tlongII]

Oregon state only lost so many games BECAUSE they're so good

The Beavs are DAMN good! I just got back from Vegas and I understand why they didn't show up in the Bowl game.

[mookie2001]

Have no heart, no scrot

[DMX7]

Captain comPete saves the Pac-10 against an awesome power from the ACC.

[JMarkJohns]

IMO, D-1 football should have ten 12-team divisions. What this means is, some conferences would have to re-align and independents would have to join conferences. Now, I will not post the realignment as I prefer it, but instead how I feel it should be, without totally realigning the conferences. Basically, I will merely be rearranging some of the lesser conferences.

...

Each team plays 11 Conference games. The top 2 teams in each conference play in the Conference Championship. The winner goes to the playoffs. The 4 lowest ranked Conference Champions play in the Wild Card round, with the winners joining the other 6 Conference Champs and setting up the elite 8.

1 vs 8
4 vs 5

2 vs 7
3 vs 6

9 playoff games in all....Pasadena (Rose Bowl), Glendale (Fiesta Bowl), Dallas (Cotton Bowl/Cowboys Stadium), New Orleans (Sugar Bowl), Miami (Orange Bowl), Atlanta (Georgia Dome, San Antonio (Alamo Bowl), Orlando (Capitol 1 Bowl), Los Angeles (Coliseum)

I like your number of conferences/playoff breakdown. But your can't simply have the conferences you constructed as it still doesn't address competitive advantages for some of the one/two-school conferences. Specifically, 8, 9 and 10 look very weak.

If a true system is to me done, several conferences need to be reconfigured.

Example...

1 (12) Pacific 12 Conference
- North -
California
Oregon
Oregon St
Stanford
Washington
Washington St
- South -
Fresno St
Hawaii
San Diego St
San Jose St
USC
UCLA

2 (12) - Western Athletic Conference
- North -
Boise St
Idaho
Utah
Utah St
BYU
Wyoming
- South -
Air Force
Arizona
Arizona St
Colorado St
Nevada
UNLV

These just make more sense and break down into divisions and conferences better.

But even beyond this, major conference of #3 and #6 need to be reconfigured with #9 and #10 while major conferences of #5 and #7 need to be combined with #8.

6 (12) - Southwestern Conference
- West -
New Mexico
New Mexico St
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas El Paso
Texas Tech
- East -
Baylor
Houston
North Texas
Rice
Southern Methodist
Texas Christian

9 (12) - Middle-American Conference
- North -
Colorado
Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Missouri
Nebraska
- South -
Louisiana Tech
Memphis
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Tulsa
Tulane

Something like this is way too complicated to ever happen, so I'm not sure why I spent so much time reconfiguring even these four conferences. However, since I'm this far... In my stipulations, ever team plays every team in it's own division (5 games), and then three from their Conferences other division on a every-other-year rotational schedule (3 games). This makes 8 of 12 games, leaving 4 games for out of conferences scheduling for things like older conference rivalry games that no longer exist due to reconfiguration (like Texas/Oklahoma). Scheduling non-conference games would operate 2 full seasons in advance so a team isn't drastically better/worse when played than when scheduled and each team would be required to schedule 1 non-conference opponent with a better than 8-win record, two others within the 5-7 win range (basically .500) and one non-conference cupcake.

Winners of the Conference divisions play each other in a Title game with the winner advancing to the guaranteed BCS Playoff birth, with the teams being subjectively ranked 1-10, equal parts average based off of BCS computer, AP vote and coaches vote.

I like your playoff breakdown, so I'd go with that from here on out.

[MajorMike]

...why do you make shit up?


lol; kettle.

[johngateswhiteley]

lol; kettle.

Pray tell...?

[BUMP]

The problem with the MWC is that the bottom feeders of that conference are bringing the rest down.

Its like walking into central LA. You look to the right and you see all the A list celebrities and their houses, and you look to the left and you see the JGWs. Not a lot of middle ground.

Teams like New Mexico, NM st, and San Diego State, would lose against any other BCS conference.
But there is no doubt that right now TCU, Utah, and BYU are more desirable places to play and handing out way more football scholarships then the Oregon States, Cal, Stanford, and UAs of the world and thats a fact Jack

[johngateswhiteley]

The problem with the MWC is that the bottom feeders of that conference are bringing the rest down.

Its like walking into central LA. You look to the right and you see all the A list celebrities and their houses, and you look to the left and you see the JGWs. Not a lot of middle ground.

Teams like New Mexico, NM st, and San Diego State, would lose against any other BCS conference.
But there is no doubt that right now TCU, Utah, and BYU are more desirable places to play and handing out way more football scholarships then the Oregon States, Cal, Stanford, and UAs of the world and thats a fact Jack

First of all, I'm a celebrity. Second, I disagree about Stanford and Arizona...cal and Oregon state?...sure.

[Girasuck]

The problem with the MWC is that the bottom feeders of that conference are bringing the rest down.

Its like walking into central LA. You look to the right and you see all the A list celebrities and their houses, and you look to the left and you see the JGWs. Not a lot of middle ground.

Teams like New Mexico, NM st, and San Diego State, would lose against any other BCS conference.
But there is no doubt that right now TCU, Utah, and BYU are more desirable places to play and handing out way more football scholarships then the Oregon States, Cal, Stanford, and UAs of the world and thats a fact Jack

Ummm...New Mexico State is is the WAC.

Before this season New Mexico had been in 5 bowl games in 8 years. Their basketball program has always been a top 30 team in the nation. UNLV has never been a football program, but again always has one of the top 25-30 basketball teams. Colorado State was a decent football team in the early 2000's but lately has been nothing but shit, even though they did beat a BCS team this year. San Diego State is just a joke of a sports university. Occasionally they produce a semi decent basketball team but without question SDSU is the MWC version of Washington State. The rest of the teams in the MWC (TCU, BYU, Utah, Air Force, Wyoming) are currently better football teams and programs than a lot of BCS teams.

So realistically the MWC has 2 really bad football teams, 1 semi bad football team, and one that has been decent over the past 8 years. Every BCS conference has bottom feeders as well. Pac-10 with Washington State and until this year Washington, Big 10 has Indiana, Purdue, and Northwestern. Big 12 has Baylor, and Iowa State. ACC has Duke, which historically can probably be considered the worst college football program in the nation, and the Big East's entire conference minus a couple teams. The MWC is on par with most BCS conferences when talking about bottom feeders. I don't feel like this is an arguement that people can use anymore in regards to the MWC not being a BCS conference.

[mookie2001]

dont say that about baylor! theyre my 12th favorite team

[Girasuck]

BTW I should add that the only reason why the MWC shouldn't be considered a BCS conference right now is the amount of teams in the MWC. They need to make it a 10 team league, or a 12 team league and create two divisions. Until this happens I don't think they'll become a BCS conference.

[The Gemini Method]

Who would the MWC pull in to become a 12-team conference? Perhaps grab a few teams from the WAC like Boise St.? That could possibly work and it would then pretty much cripple the WAC...But in no way should any conference replace the Pac-10...it was a pretty damn exciting season (except for a few games...no need to be mentioned...)

[vander]

Who would the MWC pull in to become a 12-team conference? Perhaps grab a few teams from the WAC like Boise St.? That could possibly work and it would then pretty much cripple the WAC

the WAC is nothing without BSU anyways, they've been riding that gravy train long enough.

but If there's a going to be a 7th AQ conference, it can't be just the MWC + 3, there are good C-USA West teams that should be in the new AQ instead of teams like New Mexico and Wyoming

how about...

MWC North:

BYU
Utah
BSU
Colorado St.
Air Force
Nevada or UNLV

MWC South:
TCU
Houston
Fresno St.
UNLV or Tulsa
SDSU or Tulsa
SMU or Tulsa

or whatever, I think it should be the best teams from the WAC, MWC, and C-USA West. you can't tell me that from top to bottom, this Conference wouldn't be just as good as your average current AQ conference (except the SEC), and recruiting should only get better for these teams once they have AQ status,

[MajorMike]

So if MWC is nothing without BSU and the P10 is obviously nothing without SC, then maybe those two should play and the winner gets to go to the Rose Bowl every year.

[gaKNOW!blee]

UCLA better find a way to pull this out against Temple.

[johngateswhiteley]

UCLA better find a way to pull this out against Temple.

Temple is decent. I didn't expect ucla to roll them, just to win.

...down by 1.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Temple is decent. I didn't expect ucla to roll them, just to win.

...down by 1.

ok, they're still D-1AA

[vander]

So if MWC is nothing without BSU and the P10 is obviously nothing without SC, then maybe those two should play and the winner gets to go to the Rose Bowl every year.

huh?

[johngateswhiteley]

ok, they're still D-1AA

That doesn't make any sense. They are 1-A.

[DMX7]

That doesn't make any sense. They are 1-A.

They didn't used to be, i don't think.

[gaKNOW!blee]

That doesn't make any sense. They are 1-A.

yeah, you're right thats my bad.

i guess i got non-bcs and d1-aa confused....my fault.

[misterx91578]

so if the MWC should replace the Pac 10 in the BCS because this year does that mean the Pac 10 was the best conference ever last year 5-0?

[johngateswhiteley]

Anyone watching sun bowl? Stanford playing well without Luck. Don't want to jinx it, but if the Cardinal can win, that would be big for Pac.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Anyone watching sun bowl? Stanford playing well without Luck. Don't want to jinx it, but if the Cardinal can win, that would be big for Pac.

If OU scores here this is over.

[IronMexican]

I missed most of the game. How did Bradford have a completion?

[gaKNOW!blee]

I missed most of the game. How did Bradford have a completion?

:lol I saw that too when I looked up Broyles stats....he hasn't played.

[johngateswhiteley]

:lol I saw that too when I looked up Broyles stats....he hasn't played.

Even the Pac 10 haters should admit, that's an impressive performance with luck out. Gerhart played well, in perhaps his last game.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Even the Pac 10 haters should admit, that's an impressive performance with luck out. Gerhart played well, in perhaps his last game.

OU was without their Heisman trophy winner...

[tlongII]

OU was without their Heisman trophy winner...

Yah, but he's been out all year. This was the first game that Pritchard started this year.

[IronMexican]

They lost. It's all that matters now. OU could have been pretty damn beasty if Bradford doesn't get injured. I can't believe some dumbfucks thought McCoy was better.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Gotta love a Mookie Crew thread where they just toss each other's salad.

[mookie2001]

dont get it

[johngateswhiteley]

Yah, but he's been out all year. This was the first game that Pritchard started this year.

Exactly. Huge difference.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

People use the mookie crew excuse after their AH is sore from five black guys with no lube

[mookie2001]

this time it was just foolish



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