Why has Kobe been unable..

[HarlemHeat37]

..to have success without Derek Fisher?..

we hear a lot about Shaq, now we see how Kobe needs Gasol, which is evident in games like tonight's where Gasol is being double teamed..but why doesn't Derek Fisher get more love in this regard?..Kobe seems so struggle heavily without Derek Fisher next to him..any theories?..

Fisher's record as a Laker: 526-211(0.826)..
Kobe's record as a Laker: 649-323(0.668)..

Derek Fisher has made it to the 2nd round or better in every season he's ever been with the Lakers..

the Lakers have only been eliminated in the 1st round twice since the Shaq era began and have only missed the playoffs once during that time span..those were the only 3 years that Derek Fisher wasn't a Laker..

Fisher returned to the Lakers in 2007-2008, and they've made the Finals in every year since then..

Kobe's record without Fisher is 112-111: .500 ball..

Kobe has never made it past the 1st round without Derek Fisher..that's kind of pathetic for a guy that is considered to be the player of the decade from many popular media outlets..

any theories as to why Kobe's legacy needs Fisher?..it sounds crazy, but the numbers don't lie..

[Def Rowe]

Cuz all things considered, he's a shit defender.

[noob cake]

Kobe also has never succeeded in the playoffs without raping a few white hoes the nights before.

[BRHornet45]

sons the fact is that Kobe is and always has been an EXCELLENT role player, but he is very far from being a leader.

[Def Rowe]

:lobt2:

[Culburn369]

Same as:

MJ couldn't do caca without Pippen.

Wade can't do caca without Daddy.

Spurs can't repeatPERIOD

[Ghazi]

I hope this is a joke.

[Culburn369]

Same as:

Mavs can't do caca in history.

Suns can't get shut of the NBA Old Maid Card.

LeBron ain't rang 7 years in.

[DxB]

Its true though I've noticed this as well! He's tight with Fish and he always says they came into the league together so they know each other n what not... plus Fish is pretty fuckin clutch as well...

Probably one of those things you can't explain, and as much as I'd like to say it does, I really dont think it reflects on bitch boi ..

[jag]

If you honestly think Kobe needs Derek Fisher then you've lost your mind.

[TheNextGen]

fuckin OP must be thinking of Kobe 24/7 to make up this bullshit.

[Tacker]

Its not that Kobe can't play without Fisher, its Kobe can't play when Smush Parker is running the point and I don't think anyone can....

[Culburn369]

Smush Parker

Oh, my God.

[JoeTait75]

Magic couldn't do it without Kurt Rambis either. Ever notice that he never won another championship after they let Clark Kent go in the expansion draft? :king

[My Fault]

Wow this is reaching...

[LakeShow]

Kobe doesn't need Fisher to be successful, the Lakers however do. Kobe has to have a player that he trusts. Tacker touched on it. Kobe took three years to realize that without trusting your team mates, you can't win. It took Jordan 7 years to figure that out. Fisher and Kobe have been thru battles this decade and they became very good friends with the utmost respect for each other. Robert Horry was another player that Kobe trusts and would have been able to keep Kobe humble. You will never see Kobe go off on fisher for not passing him the ball like you did with Jordan and Pippen. If you watched last nights game you saw Kobe taking left handed shots when he was hurting (to this day I don't know why Jackson does not take Kobe out when he's like that) All of his team mates were still looking for him and he was still asking for the ball. The Lakers inserted Fisher and when Kobe was calling for the ball, he ignored him and looked for Gasol instead. Kobe didn't say a word. Could you imagine what would have been the attitude of KB if it would have been anyone other than Fisher who did that? That's why I do not underestimate Fishers contributions to the Lakers. He is a very important Laker and getting rid of him should be the farthest thing from the lakers minds.

[Culburn369]

Matzel, Matzel, good things, Lake.

[BadOdor]

Kobe can't win without fisher, yo!

[Balance]

Why has Derek Fisher been unable..
..to have success without Kobe?..

Much better this way... Although I think the answer is pretty obvious...

Kobe, or any other player (see James, LeBron), will never have success by himself. He'll always need to have good players around him, like Shaq or Pau Gasol. Derek Fisher is a decent point guard, so that doesn't hurt either...

[Balance]

any theories as to why Kobe's legacy needs Fisher?..it sounds crazy, but the numbers don't lie..

We have to be careful with the numbers...
For example, what 2003 draft pick had the biggest effect on his team?
James? Wade? Bosh? Anthony? Any of these superstars?

Well, Milicic was the only one who won a NBA championship in his rookie year. :lol
It's a true fact, but it would be the wrong conclusion... :nope

[Double-Up]

True Story: I'm at a Laker game with my chic, and I'm booing the fuck out of Smush from the 3rd row. He can hear me good. Its to the point where fans were laughing at me booing him. He misses like 8 straight shots. My chic (who doesn't know much about basketball) turns to me and says, "does he practice?" So I'm standing up yelling, "hey Smush, do you practice, she wants to know!!!" The game is on the line, and this mutherfuccer hits a huge crunch time three, then walks over and blows a kiss at my girl.

...then you woke up.

[dirk4mvp]

Has anyone else noticed culburn is changing his posting style up? I think he's about to do what he did to those Suns boards.

[Double-Up]

Has anyone else noticed culburn is changing his posting style up? I think he's about to do what he did to those Suns boards.

And what is that?

[Culburn369]

...three peated.

tee, hee.

[dirk4mvp]

And what is that?

Posted pictures of gay porn, rape, people's personal info all kinds of stuff. He tried to get one person fired from their job. He shut a Suns board down. Notice he doesn't have an avatar, sig, or posts pictures. Kori won't let him. He just started posting youtubes a while ago.


Watch, he's gonna post something now like it'll never end, lmaovictorious or something.

[Culburn369]

So what, so Kori spanked me, spanked me hard, said I couldn't do the threads, or avatars, or sigs, or, my own threads, or, come over and play with Tim. BFD.

[Double-Up]

Posted pictures of gay porn, rape, people's personal info all kinds of stuff. He tried to get one person fired from their job. He shut a Suns board down. Notice he doesn't have an avatar, sig, or posts pictures. Kori won't let him. He just started posting youtubes a while ago.


Watch, he's gonna post something now like it'll never end, lmaovictorious or something.

Damn. Well in addition to that just search his name on the web and you can see he isn't wrapped too tight.


Eric Holder also conspired with President Clinton and Janet Reno to mass murder at Waco, Texas. Yes, McVeigh squared that, but, Holder, et al still left American men, women and children dead in the ground."

[Culburn369]

I already stated by Waco/McVeigh stance a couple months ago on this Forum

I stand by it 100%. But, hey, it's water under the bridge. The F.B.I. tried running from McVeigh. He ran 'em to ground, held them accountable. It's square.

[Lars]

Kobe is the best player in the game...as long as he is on the most stacked team.

[mogrovejo]

Eric Holder also conspired with President Clinton and Janet Reno to mass murder at Waco, Texas.

First time I agree with Culburn about something.


Kobe doesn't need Fisher to be successful, the Lakers however do. Kobe has to have a player that he trusts. Tacker touched on it. Kobe took three years to realize that without trusting your team mates, you can't win. It took Jordan 7 years to figure that out. Fisher and Kobe have been thru battles this decade and they became very good friends with the utmost respect for each other. Robert Horry was another player that Kobe trusts and would have been able to keep Kobe humble. You will never see Kobe go off on fisher for not passing him the ball like you did with Jordan and Pippen. If you watched last nights game you saw Kobe taking left handed shots when he was hurting (to this day I don't know why Jackson does not take Kobe out when he's like that) All of his team mates were still looking for him and he was still asking for the ball. The Lakers inserted Fisher and when Kobe was calling for the ball, he ignored him and looked for Gasol instead. Kobe didn't say a word. Could you imagine what would have been the attitude of KB if it would have been anyone other than Fisher who did that? That's why I do not underestimate Fishers contributions to the Lakers. He is a very important Laker and getting rid of him should be the farthest thing from the lakers minds.


Well said.

[LakeShow]

First time I agree with Culburn about something.




Well said.

:toast

[namlook]

..to have success without Derek Fisher?..


It's a coincidence more than anything. Fisher plays a role, he's a solid role player and all championship teams need them, but he's disposable. Fisher leaving and then coming back was around the same time the Lakers lost talent and then replenished. Fisher needs Kobe to win, not the other way around.



Kobe has never made it past the 1st round without Derek Fisher..that's kind of pathetic for a guy that is considered to be the player of the decade from many popular media outlets..

Are people really this dense and devoid of basketball knowledge to think Kobe needs Fisher to win games? You could replace Fisher with about 100 other players and the end result would be the same. To say it's pathetic that Kobe hasn't won without Fisher is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

[MiamiHeat]

kobe's a glorified role player.

[namlook]

kobe's a glorified role player.

What does that make Wade? Kobe's shoe shine boy?

[HarlemHeat37]

Now granted, this was a troll/baiting thread(and it worked), but damn, how much has Fisher meant to the Lakers all these years?..

This guy just knows how to play when it matters..big shots, leadership, timely plays, the uncanny ability to know when to deliver a good flop or a cheap shot..all this, while Laker fans shit on him all year long..

[DAF86]

Old fart does it again.

[Kamala]

Every year I keep on hearing how much Fisher sucks and is over the hill. At times he has looked slow against younger guards. In the big games he makes key plays and big shots. Crafty ass player who is in damn good shape.

[InK]

This guy just knows how to play when it matters..big shots, leadership, timely plays, the uncanny ability to know when to deliver a good flop or a cheap shot..all this, while Laker fans shit on him all year long..

Heh exactly.

[HarlemHeat37]

Fish adding to his legacy..

[ChrisRichards]

Fish adding to his legacy..
+1 man. Laker fans may think you're just baiting, but this thread is the truth.

[IronMexican]

If you honestly think Kobe needs Derek Fisher then you've lost your mind.

Fisher styled on yo' ass, son. Kobe needs him.

[cobbler]

LOL @ Harlem bumping his own moronic thread to get a dig in.

Talk about an attention whore. Absolutely pathetic!!!

[milkshakeballa]

Nigga you aint allowed to bump your own thread pussy.

Kori PINK this boston bitch NOW

[21_Blessings]

Jordan has 4 rings instead of 6 without Paxson and Kerr

[cobbler]

Nigga you aint allowed to bump your own thread pussy.

Kori PINK this thunder, jazz, suns, cavs, magic, boston bitch NOW

Fixed.

[HarlemHeat37]

You guys do realize this thread is a Derek Fisher appreciation thread, right?..

Why do Laker fans get upset when I show love to Fish and Gasol?..Aren't they Lakers too?..

[ChrisRichards]

You guys should look past the poster and instead read the content. It would make a lot of sense.


Fisher was instrumental last year against Orlando in Game 4. Again, he came big for a must win Game 3 tonight. It may sound absurd but bias aside, you know Fisher is such an integral part of Kobe's legacy.

[milkshakeballa]

You guys do realize this thread is a Derek Fisher appreciation thread, right?..

Why do Laker fans get upset when I show love to Fish and Gasol?..Aren't they Lakers too?..

I get upset when you bump your own thread nigga.

Not when you throw my boy DFish some love.

Kori...like I said....pink this bangwagon pussy NOW or else I leave the forum

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol anybody that doubted Harlem..

Kobe with another early exit without Fisher, actually losing to Fisher's team, too..

Fisher is now in the driver's seat to acquire his 6th ring..

This thread was made 3 years ago, yet it remains more accurate than ever..

Why does Kobe struggle without Fisher, tbh?..

[InRareForm]

archive this in a safety deposit box. classic thread imo

[HarlemHeat37]

Every year I keep on hearing how much Fisher sucks and is over the hill. At times he has looked slow against younger guards. In the big games he makes key plays and big shots. Crafty ass player who is in damn good shape.

:lol 2 years later and it's still true..

Laker fans wanted him out for a younger, more explosive player..they got him and he choked miserably:lol:lol..

Meanwhile, Fisher makes a significant impact in the WCFs, in addition to his leadership that led to 5 rings in LA..Fish was the undisputed leader in 2009 and 2010, but I'm beginning to wonder how much of a role his leadership played during the 3-peat, tbh..

[ElNono]

Now you see why Hunter is scared as shit.... this dude has no ceiling... prophetic thread, tbh