Marcus Haislip = BUST?

[nuclearfm]

I don't know this guy pulled of a highlight video like this

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Only to flop every time he holds an NBA ball. Euroleage = Preps league perhaps?

[Leetonidas]

There's a reason he was the 11th pick and then was forced to play overseas. He sucks by NBA standards. And he's not a bust today, he was a bust when he was drafted.

[temujin]

Dollar-wise, a team that pays Jefferson 14 millions can't really complain about Haislip.

Just play him.

[Spursfan 87]

you cant say that the guy is a bust if he does not get a chance to play.

[murpjf88]

He never should have been signed. His nba game is weak. If they play him, he will only be exploited for the player he is. Be happy that he has had minimal success in garbage time. Beyond that, you couldn't really ask for anything more.

[TimDunkem]

Who cares? He hardly even plays.

[TIMMYD!]

Who cares? He hardly even plays.

+1

If he isn't going to get playing time anyways, what difference does it make?

[Big P]

you cant say that the guy is a bust if he does not get a chance to play.

Tell that to all the Mahinmi haters.

[my2sons]

a guy signed to be the 10th 11th or 12th guy, 13th 14th or 15th guy....lets trade him for elson...he's the bucks 10th 11th or 12th through 15th guy....

[Muser]

At this moment he's just gonna be a filler if any trades go down.

[itzsoweezee]

wow, had no idea he had athleticism like that

[BillMc]

At this moment he's just gonna be a filler if any trades go down.

This

[SpurCharger]

He Is No All Star... But If Given The Opportunity, I think He could Be A Decent NBA Player..

[lennyalderette]

god im tired of ya'lls shiit!, play the damn guy and see what happens!!!! then we'll see Haislip>dice. bust? has he even played ten minutes? get over it

[Zero_Twilight]

I've gotta agree with some of the posters here.

How can he be a bust without given the opportunity?

Remember how long it took Bonner to get decent minutes?

[nuclearfm]

I've gotta agree with some of the posters here.

How can he be a bust without given the opportunity?

Remember how long it took Bonner to get decent minutes?

Remember how long it took for Bonner to become a difference maker? I'm still waiting.

[Zero_Twilight]

Remember how long it took for Bonner to become a difference maker? I'm still waiting.

You and I aren't watching the same game.

[robot89]

i expect him to get some real pt tonight....idk i just have a hunch
pop with give td some rest plus with the runn and gun knicks
it fits his style

[Zero_Twilight]

i expect him to get some real pt tonight....idk i just have a hunch
pop with give td some rest plus with the runn and gun knicks
it fits his style

I expect him to move up to 10 mins per game next season, if he decides to stay.

[TimDunkem]

I expect him to move up to 10 mins per game next season, if he decides to stay.
Isn't it up to the team?

[urunobili]

I think that if he shows a professional attitude Pop will eventually give him playing time to see how much he has improved or not to be a legit NBA player

[NFGIII]

wow, had no idea he had athleticism like that

Kinda like James White, eh? Tremendous athlete but doesn't seem to be able to put it all together. Too bad but he may surprise us one day if he ever starts improving on the practice team. The reason he isn't on the floor is because he failed to earn minutes in training camp and preseason. Hopefully for him the Spurs will get some more blowouts and he can get on the floor. Maybe then he can catch those passes and get a highlight dunk. He blew a beautiful Hairston pass last night agianst the Bucks. Didn't seem like he was looking for it. Not a good sign for him.

[BackHome]

You have to be a very smart player to be able to start for the Spurs and maybe it's taking him longer to figure out rotations. Either way it is not like we were expecting him to be our teams savior............

[TD 21]

Against a team like the Knicks (loaded with long combo forward) and given the situation (playing roughly nineteen hours after their previous game ended), seeing Haislip still not getting any run, despite the fact that he was presumably brought in for situations like this, is very telling. The Spurs would rather play three bigs and be undersized in myriad match-ups than play Haislip even sparingly.

At this point it's abundantly clear that he's strictly around in case a rash of injuries occurs to the Spurs front court and because his contract is extremely reasonable meaning he could easily fit into a trade to make the money work or as a de facto expiring contract should the Spurs see fit to make a trade.

[Solid D]

Against a team like the Knicks (loaded with long combo forward) and given the situation (playing roughly nineteen hours after their previous game ended), seeing Haislip still not getting any run, despite the fact that he was presumably brought in for situations like this, is very telling. The Spurs would rather play three bigs and be undersized in myriad match-ups than play Haislip even sparingly.

At this point it's abundantly clear that he's strictly around in case a rash of injuries occurs to the Spurs front court and because his contract is extremely reasonable meaning he could easily fit into a trade to make the money work or as a de facto expiring contract should the Spurs see fit to make a trade.

Nice assessment and extra bonus for using the word "myriad" correctly without an "a" in front of it.

The contract amount and length for Haislip is the only thing I was ever concerned about when it was reported the Spurs had signed him. A 2-year guaranteed deal was surprising, to say the least.

[TD 21]

Nice assessment and extra bonus for using the word "myriad" correctly without an "a" in front of it.

The contract amount and length for Haislip is the only thing I was ever concerned about when it was reported the Spurs had signed him. A 2-year guaranteed deal was surprising, to say the least.

Appreciate the compliment.

On the contrary, Haislip's second year is a team option, which gives the Spurs flexibility to either retain him as an inexpensive sixth big (I'm guessing Splitter replaces Ratliff, Bonner is re-signed, Mahinmi is not re-signed and Duncan, McDyess and Blair are retained), or include him as a throw-in in a trade.

[Sean Cagney]

Bust? NOT HERE, he was not expected by me to do shyt sides sit the bench.

[Solid D]

Nice assessment and extra bonus for using the word "myriad" correctly without an "a" in front of it.

The contract amount and length for Haislip is the only thing I was ever concerned about when it was reported the Spurs had signed him. A 2-year guaranteed deal was surprising, to say the least.


Appreciate the compliment.

On the contrary, Haislip's second year is a team option, which gives the Spurs flexibility to either retain him as an inexpensive sixth big (I'm guessing Splitter replaces Ratliff, Bonner is re-signed, Mahinmi is not re-signed and Duncan, McDyess and Blair are retained), or include him as a throw-in in a trade.

I should have said it differently. 2-year contract with the first year fully guaranteed was surprising.

[anonoftheinternets]

Nice assessment and extra bonus for using the word "myriad" correctly without an "a" in front of it.

The contract amount and length for Haislip is the only thing I was ever concerned about when it was reported the Spurs had signed him. A 2-year guaranteed deal was surprising, to say the least.

i dont think you are qualified to give that extra bonus

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/MYRIAD

[Solid D]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/MYRIAD

Yes, I know that this has been noted in recent dictionaries as a noun or adjective, however, the etymology of the word "thousand" or "ten thousand" and the synonyms listed for myriad such as "countless, boundless, infinite, untold", are words that make sense being used as adjectives. If myriad is used in the same way the Roman army units "Legion" or "Century" were used, then maybe it makes some sense i.e. "myriads of soldiers". Otherwise, "a myriad (countless, boundless, infinite, untold) number of options" or "myriad options" makes more sense than "a myriad (countless, boundless, infinite, untold) of options".

You're correct though. I'm unqualified to give a bonus.

[anonoftheinternets]

Yes, I know that this has been noted in recent dictionaries as a noun or adjective, however, the etymology of the word "thousand" or "ten thousand" and the synonyms listed for myriad such as "countless, boundless, infinite, untold", are words that make sense being used as adjectives. If myriad is used in the same way the Roman army units "Legion" or "Century" were used, then maybe it makes some sense i.e. "myriads of soldiers". Otherwise, "a myriad (countless, boundless, infinite, untold) number of options" or "myriad options" makes more sense than "a myriad (countless, boundless, infinite, untold) of options".

You're correctt though. I'm unqualified to give a bonus.

both teams played hard ... whichever works for you...

[TDMVPDPOY]

gotto bump

against the heat he played ok tonight in scrub minutes....

give him the stephen jax 2year treatment and it could give us a steal

[Muser]

Well he can block shots and shoot the ball, Wouldn't mind seeing a bit mroe of him.

[BackHome]

I think he made two three pointers tonight and had maybe two blocks and looked pretty good. I don't think we will see much of him though this year but I would like to see him in more garbage time to help him for next year. I can see him being a pretty good bench player for us next year.

[pjjrfan]

He played well tonight, he blocked a shot, ran the floor well and although he doesn't look like a future all star he could well become a decent role player, and it's not like he is dragging the team down salary wise.

[DynastySpurs210]

you cant say that the guy is a bust if he does not get a chance to play.

Agree!!

[murpjf88]

He's not a bust. Their was nothing expected of him. He was nothing more than a filler.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the problem is in scrub minutes, everyone is trying to get theirs to prove to pop they deserve pt....just looking at the last quarter you can clearly see haislip was trying to push himself on a few plays, damn i wish he would just attempt to dunk it on the offensive foul he receive....Hill3 was getting alot of plays for himself....

haislip is a jumping jack out of a box, just needs to time himself on a few defensive sets...dude is physically huge though....

[CGD]

Depends on how you define "bust." He's an amazing bargain for the level of raw athleticism he possesses. I'd pay what the Spurs paid for him 99% of the time.

[SpurCharger]

I think Haislip Can Be A Good Role Player on this Team.... If The SPurs Do end up trading alot of there Perimeter Players away for A Big, Haislip Might get A Opportunity to play A lil bit. He can Play The 3 or 4, Athletic Big That Can Shoot the Ball, Alter and block Shots on the Defensive End.

[dbestpro]

Would like to see him get enough minutes so Pop could coach him up on defense. He looks like he could really be a fit if he moved his feet on defense a little more agressively.

[Zero_Twilight]

My problem with Haislip is he seems to stay outside on the perimeter for the most part. I'm sure this is his role so he spreads the floor for Timmy. Isn't Bonner enough for this role?

I always thought Haislip was built for cleaning up around the rim, with putbacks, rebounds and boxouts because of his strength. I never pictured him as a jumpshooter.

Who knows? Maybe if he can work with Chip, we'll have a poor man's version of Dirk on the Spurs? A stronger and scrappier version.

[Chomag]

Not a bust. Be it politics or what he just can't find a way to get on Pops rotation (maybe he needs to speak with Finley on how this might be possible). IF he could I bet he would be able to contribute some things.

If it was up to me and I know it's not. :pop: is the Man of course, but I would leave Bonner out and keep Haislip on. Maybe trade Bonner if his value is high. This is no Knock on Bonner, but I don't think his skill set is needed for this team anymore.

[lotr1trekkie]

By any standard Haipslip has not shown enough in practice to move up the feeding chain. Ditto Ian. The Spurs are still missing a piece. I'm not sure where. We have enough offense to beat inferior teams into the ground. We need more of a defensive presence in the lane IMO. If RAtliff were 10 years younger he's be the answer. I also think that Jefferson would be better coming off the bench with Manu and George.

[exstatic]

My problem with Haislip is he seems to stay outside on the perimeter for the most part. I'm sure this is his role so he spreads the floor for Timmy. Isn't Bonner enough for this role?

I always thought Haislip was built for cleaning up around the rim, with putbacks, rebounds and boxouts because of his strength. I never pictured him as a jumpshooter.

Who knows? Maybe if he can work with Chip, we'll have a poor man's version of Dirk on the Spurs? A stronger and scrappier version.

??? That's the way that Milwaukee tried (and failed) to use him, but he's really much more of a face up slashing forward, currently with range out to 3 point land. He's not a post player. He probably could do some of those things, but not from where the Spurs want him stationed on the floor.

[dbestpro]

By any standard Haipslip has not shown enough in practice to move up the feeding chain. Ditto Ian. The Spurs are still missing a piece. I'm not sure where. We have enough offense to beat inferior teams into the ground. We need more of a defensive presence in the lane IMO. If RAtliff were 10 years younger he's be the answer. I also think that Jefferson would be better coming off the bench with Manu and George.

Maybe RJ, TP, and TD should all come off the bench with Manu.

[mingus]

i've been calling for him to get some time all season long - even when Bonner wasn't injured. and i still believe he should.

the thing w/ Bonner is everything will be okay with him in the line up pretty much except when we play LA or Boston. both teams have size in the paint and they'll dominate Bonner because of his lack of physical gifts; however, Haislip has all the physical tools to play good defense. the question is does he have the mental tools? remember it took Bonner more than a season to learn how to play defense in this system. i say give Haislip Ratliffs minutes to see what he can do. he has had two nice showings in the last two games, and there's no reason Pop should be playing Ratliff more, esp when it's garbage time.

[Muser]

I'd like him to get some decent PT, if he ends up being a decent player then he could be everything Bonner is and more.

Give him minutes against real scrub teams to see what he can do.

[SenorSpur]

I'd like him to get some decent PT, if he ends up being a decent player then he could be everything Bonner is and more.

Give him minutes against real scrub teams to see what he can do.

Agreed. It's unfair to call the guy a bust, when he's not garnered any consistent PT.

Besides that, Pop seems to detest any player who possesses any semblence of natural athleticism. That said, I don't necessarily buy into anyone's "knee-jerk" assessment on this kid this soon.

I know this kid is new in the system and has a lot to learn. I'd prefer to reserve judgement until he gets some significant burn. Perhaps that doesn't occur until next season. Remember, the Spurs did the same thing with SJax. He basically sat our an entire year, learning the system and indoctrinating himself into the Spurs culture. Then, he burst on the scene the next year. I'd love to see Haislip do the same thing.

[TIMMYD!]

He can't be that much worse than Bonner at spreading the floor can he? I say we give him a shot.

[wildbill2u]

Playing on the floor with Hairston, he looked like a super star in comparison. At least he didn't trip on his own feet. I simply don't get all the love for Hairston on this board.

both of them need some time in games like this before we can make any real judgement, but Haislip has better physical ability-ie. size and athleticism--than Hairston to start with.

[BackHome]

I agree of the two Haislip has the most upside to ever crack the first team unit. I just don't see Hairston being more then a practice player for the Spurs.

[mogrovejo]

My problem with Haislip is he seems to stay outside on the perimeter for the most part. I'm sure this is his role so he spreads the floor for Timmy. Isn't Bonner enough for this role?

I always thought Haislip was built for cleaning up around the rim, with putbacks, rebounds and boxouts because of his strength. I never pictured him as a jumpshooter.

Who knows? Maybe if he can work with Chip, we'll have a poor man's version of Dirk on the Spurs? A stronger and scrappier version.

You were absolutely wrong. I wrote here over the Summer that what Haislip brings to the table is an above average face-up game, especially from the high post (as a scorer, he's a subpar passer). He's always been a crappy rebounder and a bellow average defender, in spite of his athleticism. He's way better than Hairston right now. Haislip role in the NBA is as a scoring face-up 4, he can't do anything else.

[HarlemHeat37]

Hairston has A LOT more upside than Haislip, who is at the end of his physical prime and doesn't really have any basketball skills that will translate once he loses his athleticism..Hairston doesn't either right now, but he still has a good 6-7 years of athletic prime..

Hairston has actually played really well when he's been given minutes..he looked really good in actual NBA time last year and in preseason..he's gotten better since last year, a lot better..did you guys all miss this or are you basing this on one game of garbage minutes?..there's a reason most of us are high on him, we've actually been following him, not analyzing his performance in garbage time..

Haislip has only looked decent in garbage time where nobody really takes it seriously, Hairston has looked good in actual NBA time and against NBA rotation players in preseason..

Haislip looked like one of the worst players I've ever seen in preseason..playing garbage minutes doesn't really change that..he looked overmatched against NBA talent in preseason..

He might be good, but he isn't going to get a chance anyways..he isn't better than Ratliff, not at all..don't even compare him to Bonner..

[HarlemHeat37]

That's the problem with Haislip though..

In preseason when he was put against rotation players, he couldn't beat any of the bigs off the dribble..he looked really awkward when he was put in the post, usually passing it out right away..

He looked HORRIBLE defensively..he was abused in the post and he was having trouble on the perimeter too..I'll give him a pass for getting abused by Scola, since all of our bigs do, but Rob Kurz torching him?!..

I don't see how he would fit a role here..why would we give him Bonner's role?..Bonner is a much, much better shooter from anywhere on the floor..Haislip doesn't defend or rebound better than Bonner..it looks like people want to give him Bonner's role just because he can dunk..

Ratliff gives us a legit shot blocker and he's produced all year when he's been given minutes..he fills a need..