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Brazil
12-28-2009, 03:56 PM
(http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/19195042)

didn't see posted... normally D228 is going to post first with a link of a thread she posted.



NEW YORK – Gregg Popovich was a lot more cheery after the game Sunday than he was before, when he openly lamented having arrived at the team hotel in Manhattan at nearly 4 a.m. – 14 hours before the Spurs (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/SA) were scheduled to play the Knicks (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/NY).

“I think any team that can get in the night before a back-to-back and go to bed at 4 or 4:30 in the morning and play at 6 the next day, I think that’s a good thing,” Popovich said, tongue planted firmly in cheek. “I think it puts a good product out on the floor. … It must be something that I don’t understand, because trips like this don’t make sense.”

After the Spurs’ overnight misadventures between Milwaukee and New York – ice, delays, the whole deal – Popovich actually was in a position to feel optimistic about his team for once. After beating the Bucks (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/MIL) 112-97 Saturday night, the Spurs finished off the Knicks with an 11-4 run in a 95-88 victory. Popovich called this San Antonio’s most complete effort of the season in consecutive games.

The closing run against the Knicks was fueled by the Big Three: Tim Duncan (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/6552), Tony Parker (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/240304), and Manu Ginobili (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/139066). But this season has been about, and will continue to be about, the supporting cast that has changed around them. That’s why Popovich isn’t ready to declare the crisis over.

“We’ve got a long way to go,” he said.

The Spurs, architects of four championships on a shoestring budget, finally took the plunge over the luxury tax last offseason. Realizing that their window was closing while the big-spending Lakers (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/LAL) were digging in for another dynasty, San Antonio traded for Richard Jefferson (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/240295) and made this season about paying the price to win.

“The landscape has changed,” Popovich said. “We did it as long as we could, and we were great at it – trying to stay under the cap and still compete for championships. A lot of people deserve a lot of credit on the financial and management side. It got to the point where teams got so good and had so many good players. To stay in the hunt, there was a simple question: Do you want to compete for a championship? If you want to, you’ve got to spend the money. And so we did it this year.”

The result has been an inconsistent team trying to find its way, which is news to the Spurs, who have been a model of stability for much of the past decade. With three new starters and with longtime defensive stopper Bruce Bowen retired, the Spurs aren’t necessarily a better team than they were in the pre-luxury tax era. Just different.

How different? Duncan offered this painfully honest assessment.

“We’ve got to figure out the scheme that works for this team,” he said. “It might not be what’s worked for this team in the past.”

A third of the way into the season, the Spurs are 11th in points allowed per game (96.9), 13th in opponent field-goal percentage (.453), and 13th in points allowed per 100 possessions (102.8). Those are ghastly numbers for a San Antonio team that has built a winning culture around defense.

The offense will come. Duncan, who had only 13 points and seven rebounds Sunday night, is on regular-season cruise control with his minutes being monitored as closely as ever. Ginobili, who had six of the Spurs’ final 11 points, played more freely in the past two games than Popovich had seen him all season. Parker, trying to figure out how to integrate Jefferson into the offense while keeping the focus on Duncan, will do whatever it takes to make it work.

The Spurs have won eight of 10, so it’s hard to nitpick. But they’ve been so good for so long, the standards for those watching them are as high as their own. The most encouraging statistic during this 10-game stretch is that San Antonio has allowed 100 points only twice. The most sobering stat: They lost to the only two teams with winning records that they played (Phoenix and Portland.)

“Look at all the other top teams in the league,” Jefferson said. “You look at Boston, they’re trying to integrate Rasheed Wallace (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/6837). Look at Denver, they pretty much have their core, everybody back. The Lakers are trying to bring in Ron Artest (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/139045), but they have everyone there. This is one of the few teams, us and Cleveland, that are good teams, but have a lot of new faces that they’re trying to get into the group.”

Popovich was asked before and after the game how long it should take for the Spurs to become the Spurs again – or become whatever it is they’re going to be. Of course, he said, “I have no idea. I don’t even try to figure that out. When it happens, it happens.”

And if it doesn’t, it could be a long time before the Spurs play the luxury tax game again.

SenorSpur
12-28-2009, 05:44 PM
(http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/19195042)

didn't see posted... normally D228 is going to post first with a link of a thread she posted.



NEW YORK – Gregg Popovich was a lot more cheery after the game Sunday than he was before, when he openly lamented having arrived at the team hotel in Manhattan at nearly 4 a.m. – 14 hours before the Spurs (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/SA) were scheduled to play the Knicks (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/NY).

“I think any team that can get in the night before a back-to-back and go to bed at 4 or 4:30 in the morning and play at 6 the next day, I think that’s a good thing,” Popovich said, tongue planted firmly in cheek. “I think it puts a good product out on the floor. … It must be something that I don’t understand, because trips like this don’t make sense.”

After the Spurs’ overnight misadventures between Milwaukee and New York – ice, delays, the whole deal – Popovich actually was in a position to feel optimistic about his team for once. After beating the Bucks (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/MIL) 112-97 Saturday night, the Spurs finished off the Knicks with an 11-4 run in a 95-88 victory. Popovich called this San Antonio’s most complete effort of the season in consecutive games.

The closing run against the Knicks was fueled by the Big Three: Tim Duncan (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/6552), Tony Parker (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/240304), and Manu Ginobili (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/139066). But this season has been about, and will continue to be about, the supporting cast that has changed around them. That’s why Popovich isn’t ready to declare the crisis over.

“We’ve got a long way to go,” he said.

The Spurs, architects of four championships on a shoestring budget, finally took the plunge over the luxury tax last offseason. Realizing that their window was closing while the big-spending Lakers (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/LAL) were digging in for another dynasty, San Antonio traded for Richard Jefferson (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/240295) and made this season about paying the price to win.

“The landscape has changed,” Popovich said. “We did it as long as we could, and we were great at it – trying to stay under the cap and still compete for championships. A lot of people deserve a lot of credit on the financial and management side. It got to the point where teams got so good and had so many good players. To stay in the hunt, there was a simple question: Do you want to compete for a championship? If you want to, you’ve got to spend the money. And so we did it this year.”

The result has been an inconsistent team trying to find its way, which is news to the Spurs, who have been a model of stability for much of the past decade. With three new starters and with longtime defensive stopper Bruce Bowen retired, the Spurs aren’t necessarily a better team than they were in the pre-luxury tax era. Just different.

How different? Duncan offered this painfully honest assessment.

“We’ve got to figure out the scheme that works for this team,” he said. “It might not be what’s worked for this team in the past.”

A third of the way into the season, the Spurs are 11th in points allowed per game (96.9), 13th in opponent field-goal percentage (.453), and 13th in points allowed per 100 possessions (102.8). Those are ghastly numbers for a San Antonio team that has built a winning culture around defense.

The offense will come. Duncan, who had only 13 points and seven rebounds Sunday night, is on regular-season cruise control with his minutes being monitored as closely as ever. Ginobili, who had six of the Spurs’ final 11 points, played more freely in the past two games than Popovich had seen him all season. Parker, trying to figure out how to integrate Jefferson into the offense while keeping the focus on Duncan, will do whatever it takes to make it work.

The Spurs have won eight of 10, so it’s hard to nitpick. But they’ve been so good for so long, the standards for those watching them are as high as their own. The most encouraging statistic during this 10-game stretch is that San Antonio has allowed 100 points only twice. The most sobering stat: They lost to the only two teams with winning records that they played (Phoenix and Portland.)

“Look at all the other top teams in the league,” Jefferson said. “You look at Boston, they’re trying to integrate Rasheed Wallace (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/6837). Look at Denver, they pretty much have their core, everybody back. The Lakers are trying to bring in Ron Artest (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/139045), but they have everyone there. This is one of the few teams, us and Cleveland, that are good teams, but have a lot of new faces that they’re trying to get into the group.”

Popovich was asked before and after the game how long it should take for the Spurs to become the Spurs again – or become whatever it is they’re going to be. Of course, he said, “I have no idea. I don’t even try to figure that out. When it happens, it happens.”

And if it doesn’t, it could be a long time before the Spurs play the luxury tax game again.

I don't like that last statement. The Texas Rangers front office management did the exact same thing a few years ago. Having been a notoriously frugal organization, they elected to spend money by bringing in A-Rod and a host of others, in an effort to improve their championship hopes. Unfortunately for them, it failed miserably. The fact is the strategy wasn't bad. Rather the organization made the wrong moves and unwisely spent money on the wrong personnel.

In the Spurs case, making the moves this summer and going into the luxury tax area was not a bad strategy. In fact, it was absolutely necessary in order to pry open their championship window, as Pop alluded to. As with anything else, the end usually justifies the means. If this roster mix doesn't achieve the desired results, it doesn't mean the decision to spend money was a bad strategy. It just simply means the FO made bad player choices.

Brazil
12-28-2009, 06:40 PM
I don't like that last statement. The Texas Rangers front office management did the exact same thing a few years ago. Having been a notoriously frugal organization, they elected to spend money by bringing in A-Rod and a host of others, in an effort to improve their championship hopes. Unfortunately for them, it failed miserably. The fact is the strategy wasn't bad. Rather the organization made the wrong moves and unwisely spent money on the wrong personnel.

In the Spurs case, making the moves this summer and going into the luxury tax area was not a bad strategy. In fact, it was absolutely necessary in order to pry open their championship window, as Pop alluded to. As with anything else, the end usually justifies the means. If this roster mix doesn't achieve the desired results, it doesn't mean the decision to spend money was a bad strategy. It just simply means the FO made bad player choices.

I agree with all you're saying and I'm still convinced that RJ was the right thing to do, there was not a lot of other options anyway except may be Jax but I'm not a big fan of his ups and downs shooting wise.

K-State Spur
12-28-2009, 07:12 PM
I don't like that last statement. The Texas Rangers front office management did the exact same thing a few years ago. Having been a notoriously frugal organization, they elected to spend money by bringing in A-Rod and a host of others, in an effort to improve their championship hopes. Unfortunately for them, it failed miserably. The fact is the strategy wasn't bad. Rather the organization made the wrong moves and unwisely spent money on the wrong personnel.

In the Spurs case, making the moves this summer and going into the luxury tax area was not a bad strategy. In fact, it was absolutely necessary in order to pry open their championship window, as Pop alluded to. As with anything else, the end usually justifies the means. If this roster mix doesn't achieve the desired results, it doesn't mean the decision to spend money was a bad strategy. It just simply means the FO made bad player choices.

The problem with the Rangers is that they paid for Alex Rodriguez when they were still a crappy team in other respects. They had only won 70 games the year before, so even if A-Rod had a monster year (which he did) it was unreasonable to expect him to propel them to be much more than a .500 club (which they weren't).

It wasn't so much a mistake to spend money as an unreasonable expectation of what the money would actually bring you.

The time when spending new money does make sense is when you are on the cusp and you need that extra player or two to make a push. On paper, the Jefferson/McDyess deals make loads of sense. For not completely known reasons, it hasn't worked out yet.

But even with hindsight, the money makes sense. This team still has a better chance of this roster suddenly 'getting it' and becoming a legit championship contender than it did with last year's roster ever getting to that level again.

pjjrfan
12-28-2009, 07:54 PM
20 mill a year for 10 years, wasn't that A-Rods contract, we got RJ for 2 years at 16 a year, I don't see this guy being a difference maker in a tough series, I got more hopes for Mason, Hill and Blair and a little for Bonner than this guy in postseason play.