Full Body Scanners at airports will show people practically naked

[jag]

Airport admits 'strip search' body scanners WILL show people naked
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1077800/Airport-admits-strip-search-body-scanners-WILL-people-naked.html)

New 'strip search' full body scanners being trialled in Australia will show people's private parts, officials have admitted.
But to spare their blushes, the faces of passengers will be blurred.
Domestic travellers leaving Melbourne airport over the next six weeks will be asked to test the new security scanners that can see through clothing.
The X-ray backscatter body scanner has been described by critics as a "virtual strip search."

The scanner is similar to one that was trialled at Paddington station in London in 2006 in direct response to the tube bombings in July 2005.
Similar systems have also been tested at Gatwick airport.

The new scanner is designed to show people concealing weapons - but it will show a lot more than that, airport chiefs have admitted
Cheryl Johnson, general manager of the Office of Transport Security, said:' It will show the private parts of people, but what we've decided is that we're not going to blur those out, because it severely limits the detection capabilities. '
'It is possible to see genitals and breasts while they're going through the machine, though,' she admitted
However, Ms Johnson said there were a number of measures in place to tackle concerns about privacy.
"The faces are automatically blurred and ... it's only a chalk-style outline, it's not as invasive as some of the other equipment that we've got," she said.

The scanner uses a low energy X-ray to reveal any objects, metal or otherwise, under a person's clothing, including body features.
The testing will be entirely voluntary during the trial, which is being undertaken to test how the new scanners would affect the flow of passengers through the security point.
"It does see through clothing, but it's not a photographic image, it's a low-energy X-ray that reflects off the skin," added Ms Johnson.
"The security officer that's looking at it is located away from the screening lane, so there's no comparison of the person walking through and the image.
'The images are not saved, you literally walk through, the screener hits a button to say clear and the image goes."
The new scanners will be tested at Melbourne Airport alongside 'next generation' baggage X-ray machines that can detect explosives in luggage.
Hand-held scanners that can detect explosives in liquids are also being tested.

Ms Johnson said these were a direct response to an alleged terrorist plot in 2006 to detonate liquid explosives on-board airliners.
She added all the scanners had tested well in laboratory conditions, but information was needed on how they would impact on passenger amenity.
The trial runs until the end of the November, and the results will be analysed before the technology is rolled out for real, possibly at domestic and international terminals.

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Here's a comment i read on the website by someone who actually had to walk through one of these airport scanners:

I was pulled to one side at Heathrow several years ago to go through one of these scanners that they were trialing. At the time it was new and I wasn't told how invasive it was until after the check, when the Operator offered to let me see the image.

It was only my rear view that he offered me to see but I can confirm that it does show everything! He explained that it distorted the body somewhat but to be honest I was shocked and vowed to refuse this type of scan any time in the future.
- John grinham, Weston super Mare, UK, 15/10/2008 22:47

This isn't exactly a new concept, but i'm seeing on news stations that US airports may look to this as an answer for chemicals and other hazardous materials hidden on one's person. I'm somewhat torn...if it stops one attempt at killing 100+ people then it's hard to say it's not worth it. But you still have to take into consideration that kids will be walking through this thing. And also, how far is too far?

Here's an image (though you can tell it's been slightly blurred):
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/brainiac/airport_xray_scanner-thumb.jpg

[The Franchise]

Some more bullshit.

[MiamiHeat]

yeah, no.

fuck no.

that's way too personal, fuck no.

[jag]

For the record I couldn't care any less about walking through one of these scanners. I'm 23...i could give a shit if someone sees me naked. But i could imagine having a wife and children, and I can see how it might be difficult to push them through this thing to have them exposed to whomever.

[benefactor]

Over half of posters on ST just hit up Google for a job application.

[Cyrano]

TSA employee of the future.......

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/X_ray_specs_on_jimbo.jpg

[Ginofan]

That is SUPER intrusive...but if it saves my life one day...it's hard to imagine not walking through one.

[resistanze]

That is SUPER intrusive...but if it saves my life one day...it's hard to imagine not walking through one.

Too bad it won't.

[boutons_deux]

"if it saves my life one day"

but no one is concerned about 90K USAers killed, every year, by AVOIDABLE medical errors, are they?

Teabaggers only teabag against what the corps pay them to teabag against.

Or about 10s of 1000s of BigPharma customers killed or maimed by (FDA-approved, then recalled) drugs.

300 travellers killed in one bombed plane? This means war!

90000/300 = 300x as many AMericans killed by medical errors? yawn.

[Slomo]

Over half of posters on ST just hit up Google for a job application.

:lol

Beat me to it!

[The Franchise]

Too bad it won't.

Exactly.

[sabar]

Australians don't seem to care much for their own liberty.

[Wild Cobra]

More pics:

Bing Image search for Airport Body Scanner (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=airport+body+scanner&FORM=BIFD)

[23LeBronJames23]

why in the hell are they showing fat people?

[Cyrano]

"if it saves my life one day"

but no one is concerned about 90K USAers killed, every year, by AVOIDABLE medical errors, are they?

Teabaggers only teabag against what the corps pay them to teabag against.

Or about 10s of 1000s of BigPharma customers killed or maimed by (FDA-approved, then recalled) drugs.

300 travellers killed in one bombed plane? This means war!

90000/300 = 300x as many AMericans killed by medical errors? yawn.

"No one is concerned"?
Excuse me, but could you please point out in this thread where ANYBODY said that they were not concerned about preventable medical errors.
I'll wait.
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didn't think so.
Nice attempt at a hijacking, though.

[Wild Cobra]

why in the hell are they showing fat people?
So they don't appear pornographic.

Anyone think of a fat person as pornographic?

[MiamiHeat]

I was reading more about this

and they said the blurring effects could be removed by the operator, and they could choose to see you fully naked whenever they wanted.

this is garbage. i don't care about myself really, but i don't want my family going through those things.

[50Bestspurever]

why in the hell are they showing fat people?

lol, cause more than half this country is full of fat lazy people.

[xaxtoo]

what's the point if not all airports can get it?

Standardizing is probably more cost effective and will probably work better than pouring money into a new tech.

[v2freak]

"if it saves my life one day"

but no one is concerned about 90K USAers killed, every year, by AVOIDABLE medical errors, are they?

Teabaggers only teabag against what the corps pay them to teabag against.

Or about 10s of 1000s of BigPharma customers killed or maimed by (FDA-approved, then recalled) drugs.

300 travellers killed in one bombed plane? This means war!

90000/300 = 300x as many AMericans killed by medical errors? yawn.

Um, what?

A rather large inconvenience and intrusion but if it prevents disaster, I'm in.

[ploto]

Ann Coulter went on a tirade against these full-body scanners at airports. I think she just doesn't want anyone to see her penis. --Craig Ferguson

[Bukefal]

Its ridiculous, but in europe they want to implement these scanners also. Holland as already done so, by being the biggest buttlicking bitch of the USA. There was alot of discussions going on and many also in the parliament did not want to implement these scanners, but hey if USA says you need to do it, they'll do it.

Now Spain wants to sit around the table with other european countries to discuss this and prevent individual countries like holland, already implementing this rule.

I think its ridiculous. Its way too private, this is a huge violation of a person's privacy and is in violation with some treaties and basic rights we people have. And yeah, you can implement this by so called 'war against terror' but that doesnt help shit.

You cant just do anything under the name of 'war against terror'. Besides, it wont stop terrorists or wannabe terrorists from carrying bombs and wanting to blow up planes and attack. Its impossible to seal everything waterproof. If a terrorist wants to do something, he'll find a way, if there are body scanners or no bodyscanners, he will still find a way.

So please let them not be stupid by introducing such BS measures, they should rather strengthen their own fucking intelligence agencies. I mean, the Nigerian guy, even his father came two months before it happened to warn the USA about his son. If their intelligence and their administration was strengthened and proper it would not have happened at all. But if these scanners were placed two months ago, it still would have happened.

But isnt this probably more about interest some people and key figures have by implementing such rules? I bet alot of people and contractors make big fuckin money out of these scanners, and with scaring the people, they almost force them to get these scanners under the name of 'war against terror'.

Its just insane, unbelievable...But hey, who cares? they are going to do it anyway, nobody will stop them because in the name of 'war against terror' they can do everything they want, and still get away with it. Something we've seen alot since 9/11.

[CosmicCowboy]

They will probably wear the squelch button out...ugly *blur* ugly *blur* semi-hot *sharp contrast" fat ugly *blur* ugly *blur* really hot *sharp contrast* uhhhh can you back up and do that again? now turn around...bend over...arms above your head...

[Soul_Patch]

what?? what is the big deal? a featureless outline of a human body!! oh no...i might get pregnant!


seriously, wtf...

[Soul_Patch]

Maybe they should just do away with all of this damn security at airports...

New rule should be, come strapped to the teeth with grenades and guns, and be prepared to fight for your seat. Could just have planes show up at a certain time and "best man wins" for the seat.

All of this security is offending me...enough already!

[Bukefal]

what?? what is the big deal? a featureless outline of a human body!! oh no...i might get pregnant!


seriously, wtf...

What's the big deal?! Yeah? What's next? Camera's in your bedroom? sticking camera's up your ass of plane passengers to see if they hide a bottle of water? Stripping your wife at the airport, because she might have a bomb under her bra?

You dont realize it, nor the consequences. But hey, be naive, nobody seems to care.

People have rights, if you want to be a sheep fine, but not me..

[Soul_Patch]

Like i said, im all for doing away with all screening, all security at airports. It should be mandatory to at least have 1 pistol, but the more the merrier. Shit pops off, kick over a drink cart and let em fly...

I mean they already ask for our ID! our fuckin ID what is this communist China? Then they want me to show them my ticket! Absolutely crazy...i mean i paid for this shit, its private...

[Bukefal]

Like i said, im all for doing away with all screening, all security at airports. It should be mandatory to at least have 1 pistol, but the more the merrier. Shit pops off, kick over a drink cart and let em fly...

I mean they already ask for our ID! our fuckin ID what is this communist China? Then they want me to show them my ticket! Absolutely crazy...i mean i paid for this shit, its private...

Keep joking, its fun :lol

[Soul_Patch]

Keep joking, its fun :lol

Sorry i feel its not your given right to fly on an airliner. If you dont like it, dont buy tickets to fly somewhere. For those that do fly, i think any extra measure of safety in this day and age is welcomed.

[Bukefal]

But you do realize that this particular measure doesnt help shit to safety? Its BS.

[Bukefal]

Again;

You cant just do anything under the name of 'war against terror'. Besides, it wont stop terrorists or wannabe terrorists from carrying bombs and wanting to blow up planes and attack. Its impossible to seal everything waterproof. If a terrorist wants to do something, he'll find a way, if there are body scanners or no bodyscanners, he will still find a way.

So please let them not be stupid by introducing such BS measures, they should rather strengthen their own fucking intelligence agencies. I mean, the Nigerian guy, even his father came two months before it happened to warn the USA about his son. If their intelligence and their administration was strengthened and proper it would not have happened at all. But if these scanners were placed two months ago, it still would have happened.

But isnt this probably more about interest some people and key figures have by implementing such rules? I bet alot of people and contractors make big fuckin money out of these scanners, and with scaring the people, they almost force them to get these scanners under the name of 'war against terror'.

Its just insane, unbelievable...But hey, who cares? they are going to do it anyway, nobody will stop them because in the name of 'war against terror' they can do everything they want, and still get away with it. Something we've seen alot since 9/11.

[Soul_Patch]

Again;

You cant just do anything under the name of 'war against terror'. Besides, it wont stop terrorists or wannabe terrorists from carrying bombs and wanting to blow up planes and attack. Its impossible to seal everything waterproof. If a terrorist wants to do something, he'll find a way, if there are body scanners or no bodyscanners, he will still find a way.

So please let them not be stupid by introducing such BS measures, they should rather strengthen their own fucking intelligence agencies. I mean, the Nigerian guy, even his father came two months before it happened to warn the USA about his son. If their intelligence and their administration was strengthened and proper it would not have happened at all. But if these scanners were placed two months ago, it still would have happened.

But isnt this probably more about interest some people and key figures have by implementing such rules? I bet alot of people and contractors make big fuckin money out of these scanners, and with scaring the people, they almost force them to get these scanners under the name of 'war against terror'.

Its just insane, unbelievable...But hey, who cares? they are going to do it anyway, nobody will stop them because in the name of 'war against terror' they can do everything they want, and still get away with it. Something we've seen alot since 9/11.

I understand the theory behind why you dont like it. In practice (in this situation) it just doesnt make sense to me. They are forcing people who voluntarily buy airline tickets to be screened this way. You have a choice whether or not you buy a ticket.

How is it not going to help, if implemented correctly? In all seriousness, what would you rather them do instead? The system in place now does very little to stop anything, so what next?

[Shaolin-Style]

People are just too insecure. One or two people looking at your body via machinery for safety precautions is nothing. The people looking at your scans aren't gonna point and laugh at you or print it out and show it around the internet. If you can get past a doctor touching your privates, you can get past a trained security team who view thousands of nearly nude bodies every day.

But if you're worried about radiation or something along those lines I'd see the point of complaining.

[Bukefal]

I would rather have them strengthen their own intelligence agencies so that they work proper and fast like ive said before. They should do something about themselves. Then I would them continue to do like they are doing now and I realize that this security wherever in the world, can't be 100% waterproof. That's a shock and a shame, yeah, but it is reality and by forcing these ridiculous measures upon us, doesnt help shit to that security. It still isnt going to be 100%.

Also, you say that you have a choice to buy or not, if you dont like it, well just dont fly, is what you say.

But, the thing is, some people have need to fly, to visit family, for their work, bussiness, for their living etc... So, they are also forced to follow these ridiculous measures, wether they like it or not. So its not that easy, like you say; if you dont agree, well dont fly... Well, some people just cant, so they are indeed forced, just like I said.

[Bukefal]

People are just too insecure. One or two people looking at your body via machinery for safety precautions is nothing. The people looking at your scans aren't gonna point and laugh at you or print it out and show it around the internet. If you can get past a doctor touching your privates, you can get past a trained security team who view thousands of nearly nude bodies every day.

But if you're worried about radiation or something along those lines I'd see the point of complaining.

Well, yeah you can say that, what the hell, it isnt so bad etcetera, etcetera, that's true. But its just a moral thing. Its a violation of your right of privacy, even if its something you can live with. Its just crazy and people are forced. And I am very attached to my right of privacy and my rights in general. And i think every human being should feel like that.

Plus, I just don't think its necessary.

As for radiation, well, I dont know, but that's something interesting to research, and that has yet to be proven.

[ploto]

Try getting used to showing your vagina to a doctor with your knees up around your head. This is no big deal.

Your rights to privacy are limited every time you step out into public.

[EmptyMan]

LOL Drudge

http://drudgereport.com/ssscan.jpghttp://drudgereport.com/sscan.jpg

[Soul_Patch]

I can just picture these guys sitting behind the monitors


lgoXUzIwXk0

[Lebowski Brickowski]

If this somehow survives on a constitutional challenge in the courts, it will certainly fail on a challenge from a child pornography basis.

EDIT: At least, I hope so.

[Bukefal]

I can just picture these guys sitting behind the monitors


lgoXUzIwXk0

:lol lol yeah, well there you have it. Isnt that a creepy thought? Nice way seeing your wife and daughter going thru such scanners.

[sonic21]

Well if this is really going to go ahead, they could at least tell the passengers if cancer shows up on the scanners. at least it would seem like a public service.