Pro Bowl Roster

[Dr. Gonzo]

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[samikeyp]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143068

:D

[Dr. Gonzo]

haha I saw that. You beat me by a minute. Mine looks better though.

[samikeyp]

true.

[vander]

:lol @ 3 Houston Defenders

[IronMexican]

Revis deserves to be #1:tu He definitely had the best season.

[samikeyp]

IMex got 2 Raiders... :tu

[Dr. Gonzo]

:lol @ 3 Houston Defenders

DeMeco and Cushing deserve it, Mario no so much.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Champ Bailey?

[vander]

and :lol @ Deilman too,
we're the worst Rushing team in the league, and it looked to me like we usually got better push and bigger holes running to the right.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Who's we? Do you play?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Faneca sucked this year, too.

Bengals not playing in one nationally televised game this year looks like it hurt them.

All-Pro > PB

[IronMexican]

IMex got 2 Raiders... :tu

Jano should be in too.

[PixelPusher]

Pleasantly surprised to see Vernon Davis made it and got the starting slot. I thought he would've been bumped out by Tony Gonzalez.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Seems to me like a lot of offensive linemen made it on name. I've been a Deuce Lutui hater but he deserved it.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Wait, no Lions made the team?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Wait, no Lions made the team?

I thought at least one player from each team had to make it, or is that the MLB?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Majors

[Dr. Gonzo]

Fucking baseball...I hate that they treat their league like they are all winners.

[mojorizen7]

As long as my boy SJax made it I'm at peace. :toast

What about our punter though? Donnie Jones was lights out this year.

[katyon6th]

Well deserved for all Broncos on the roster, even Champ.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It's probably a wash, but Hall played well in Cincy and I probably would have voted for him.

Champ has lost a step but he's still pretty damn good.

[katyon6th]

Champ has lost a step but he's still pretty damn good.

31 year old eight time pro bowler in his 10th season in the league running along side dudes in their early 20's. He still fucking impresses me.

[JoeTait75]

Cribbs was a no-brainer but it's nice to see Joe Thomas rewarded. Amid all the constant chaos that is the Browns he just goes out and gets it done week in and week out.

[BlackSwordsMan]

no romo? fucking outrageous!

[dirk4mvp]

Would've liked to see Gary Brackett make it, but I just don't see a spot for him.

[Phillip]

Revis deserves to be #1:tu He definitely had the best season.

Aso still better.

It's easy to have a nicer looking season in the secondary when your offense can score points and the front 7 can get some pressure. Aso doesnt have any of that, and still shuts his men down. Stick him on a good team, and the guy will be the best corner of all time.

[ducks]

Favre among 8 Vikings in Pro Bowl
do they realize the vikings suck

[florige]

Ed Reed? He has sucked for us all year long. He had an alright game against the Colts but Pro Bowl?

[dirk4mvp]

Aso still better.

It's easy to have a nicer looking season in the secondary when your offense can score points and the front 7 can get some pressure. Aso doesnt have any of that, and still shuts his men down. Stick him on a good team, and the guy will be the best corner of all time.

Can you really make a case for Asomugha? Look at the guys Revis shut down.

[gaKNOW!blee]

How did David Harris not make it??

[David_Stern]

Brian Orakpo made it for the Skins, but not London Fletcher. Lovely.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

no romo? fucking outrageous!

:lmao:lmao:lmao top 5 QB

[ATRAIN]

:lol @ 3 Houston Defenders

they are the best 3 defenders we have, I really dont see why this is funny??

[samikeyp]

no romo? fucking outrageous!

No.

The three QB choices are just fine. I would like to see Romo there and I feel he is a deserving choice but the other three are moreso.

[vander]

they are the best 3 defenders we have, I really dont see why this is funny??

sure, if the rules were that every team sends it's 3 best defenders :lol
last I checked, Houston had an average-at-best defense, yet they get more D pro bowlers than any other team, that's a laugh

[ATRAIN]

sure, if the rules were that every team sends it's 3 best defenders :lol
last I checked, Houston had an average-at-best defense, yet they get more D pro bowlers than any other team, that's a laugh

Its a laugh cause we have prob the DROTY in Cushing? Ryans is one of the best MLB in the NFL and was a previous DROTY. Mario, ok he didnt have that great of a season and prob shouldnt be on there. So who would you put in place of all 3 since you seem to be some kind of football Guru. Houston's D as a whole was average yes I agree but they were also one of the best 3 and out defenses out there. They are missing a DT, extra OLB, and CB's to be one of the best in the league and they are young too. So tell me oh wise one, do you honestly believe that Cushing and Ryans don't belong there?

[Whisky Dog]

Miles Austin rewarded for big time year, too bad he won't be able to participate in the game.

[ATRAIN]

Miles Austin rewarded for big time year, too bad he won't be able to participate in the game.

why?

[samikeyp]

why?

He'll be too busy crushing pineapples with that grill of his. :)

[Whisky Dog]

why?

The pro bowl is the week before the super bowl this year so players from both teams won't be there.

[vander]

never watched the texans, but usually a good LB on a bad Defense will look like a great LB, because the other team will be running the ball a lot, and the RB will get beyond the DL a lot.

I'm not sure who should have gone, I didn't watch many non-charger games, but I'd think you'd have to look at guys on the top defenses, especially run defenses. Harrison doesn't deserve to be there either, Woodley had a better year than him, DJ Williams should be there, the Colts and Bengals LB corps played outstanding when I saw them, they should have sent someone, and how does NY have the top D in the league and not send a single player from their front 7?

but whatever, it's just a name-recognition thing

[benefactor]

The pro bowl is the week before the super bowl this year so players from both teams won't be there.
:lmao

[ATRAIN]

The pro bowl is the week before the super bowl this year so players from both teams won't be there.

Yeah thats what I thought you meant


LOL Whisky Dog

[Goran Dragic]

Here's my list of questionable decisions:

Deilman - worst running game in the league
Welker - Moss has 9 TD's and more importantly draws a lot of attention away from the middle of the field which opens things up for Welker
Brandon Marshall - How he makes it over Moss and Vincent Jackson is beyond me
Either Jake Long or Joe Thomas - Michael Roos was the best lineman on a team that allowed the 2nd least amount of sacks and averaged the most yards per carry. He needs recognition.
Vince Wilfork - New England's run D has been below average this year.
Mario Williams - made it only cause of his name
DeMeco Ryans - David Harris put up better numbers on a better defense
Champ Bailey - see Mario Williams
Ed Reed - see Mario Williams
Bryant McKinnie - He was just benched last week cause Julius Peppers was abusing him, additionally the crappy line play has forced Favre to throw the ball too much.
Jared Allen - Will Smith got virtually the same numbers and didn't need two scrimmages against the Packers O-line to do so.
Lance Briggs - Makes no sense. At all.

[IronMexican]

Don't hate on the Cattle Roper. Don't forget he's also one of the bestrun stopping DE's in football.

[monosylab1k]

Welker - Moss has 9 TD's and more importantly draws a lot of attention away from the middle of the field which opens things up for Welker
Brandon Marshall - How he makes it over Moss and Vincent Jackson is beyond me
Vince Wilfork - New England's run D has been below average this year.

IMO Welker & Marshall both deserved it over Moss & Vincent Jackson. Oh, and Moss has 13 TD's.

And NE's run defense has been very good all year. The games where Vince either played hurt or didn't play at all were the only games where the other team had any chance at all running the ball. Wilfork was his usual great self this season. The Patriots lack of pass rush has been the problem, not their run stuffers.

[IronMexican]

You gotta give Marshall props for being that great while having a QB who can't throw the deep ball.

[mardigan]

Witten and Guerode shouldn't have made the Pro-Bowl.
Celek or Gonzalez should have been in Wittens spot.

[ATRAIN]

Witten and Guerode shouldn't have made the Pro-Bowl.
Celek or Gonzalez should have been in Wittens spot.

Visanthe Shiancoe has 10 td's

[mardigan]

Visanthe Shiancoe has 10 td's

Less than 500 yards though. Celek has 8 td's and almost 900 yards.

[stretch]

Moss definitely deserved it over Welker.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Can you really make a case for Asomugha? Look at the guys Revis shut down.

This year? Nope.

[The Gemini Method]

Welker's been way more consistent. The dude has 122 catches and he friggin missed 2 games.

If he played a full 16 game season he'd be on pace for 150 catches.

Agreed. Wes Welker was the workhorse of the Patriots passing game this year and definitely deserved it over Moss. The guy just catches passes and doesn't complain like his more heralded receiving corps mate, Moss.

[The Gemini Method]

Aso still better.

It's easy to have a nicer looking season in the secondary when your offense can score points and the front 7 can get some pressure. Aso doesnt have any of that, and still shuts his men down. Stick him on a good team, and the guy will be the best corner of all time.

Sorry, as good as he's been--he's not going to be regarded as the best corner of all-time. Firstly, being the best all time is objective at the very least. Revis has been the best cornerback this year bar none. It will be his position to be top 5 CB for a long time to come. You can say because Nnamdi Asomugha has played longer he can be considered better, but this year belonged to Darelle Revis.

[Whisky Dog]

Aso got burned by Miles Austin, Revis shut down Moss twice. Enough said there.

The only reason Moss has so many TDs is because Welker made all the catches to move the ball down there. Welker without a doubt.

[gaKNOW!blee]

I know the Bills don't really have much of a say only winning 5 games, but I think both Bills safeties shouldve been in. Byrd got in at FS, but George Wilson had a pretty good year for only starting 12 games.

98 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF, 4 INT....not too bad for a former WR.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

IMO Welker & Marshall both deserved it over Moss & Vincent Jackson. Oh, and Moss has 13 TD's.


Yeah I fucked that up. In my head I was thinking he had 9 more TD's than Welker when I wrote that.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And NE's run defense has been very good all year.


22nd in the NFL.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Revis shut down Moss twice.


And Andre Johnson, probably his most impressive game.

[gaKNOW!blee]

He did get burned by Ginn tho...giving him his only TD of the season. I still have no idea how that happened.

[monosylab1k]

22nd in the NFL.

11th in the NFL. Given up 4 rushing TD's all season long, tied for best in the NFL with Minnesota.

[Goran Dragic]

11th in the NFL. Given up 4 rushing TD's all season long, tied for best in the NFL with Minnesota.


They're 22nd in yards per carry (4.4, right next to Oakland). IMO, that's the most important rush defense stat.

[dirk4mvp]

Brandon Marshall - How he makes it over Moss and Vincent Jackson is beyond me

Vincent Jackson is good, but he doesn't even have 75 catches. And he has a lot better QB throwing to him. But then again 21 of Marshall's catches came against a midget backup.






Jared Allen - Will Smith got virtually the same numbers and didn't need two scrimmages against the Packers O-line to do so.


But he got half of his sacks against the cheesedick Packers line! Goat!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Then again right you're NE's run defense would be better if Wilfork was healthy all year. Now that I think about it, he's better than Casey fatass Hampton.

[vander]

IMO Welker & Marshall both deserved it over Moss & Vincent Jackson. Oh, and Moss has 13 TD's.


yeah Welker was obviously much more vital to that offense, Moss disappeared for stretches and just got a lot of touchdown tosses to keep his ego massaged, but Moss was quite the disappointment this year.

and VJ, though he could have gotten better stats in a different system, doesn't deserve to be in over Marshall, Marshall basically carried that Denver offense.

however, Rivers's deep ball is terrible, his average bomb to VJ is about 5 yards off. often times his throws are under or overthrown by 10 yards. If he could hit VJ deep, I'm sure VJ would have been in the Pro Bowl. frankly, I think VJ/Gates/Floyd/the screen pass make Rivers look like a better QB than he is.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lmao calling Welker more vital to the offense. The only reason the middle of the field is always so open for Welker is because of the attention Moss draws from the safeties.

[Whisky Dog]

Rivers deep ball is terrible? He throws one of the best deep balls in the league. Everybody misses some but he gets the ball there as well as anyone. Sometimes the receiver doesn't run the route correctly and either hesitates, slows down, or breaks the route too much one way or another.

[vander]

:lmao calling Welker more vital to the offense. The only reason the middle of the field is always so open for Welker is because of the attention Moss draws from the safeties.

riiiiiiight. why don't you ask Brady who he would rather play without

or wait until they don't resign Moss and watch Welker go for 10/100 no matter who the other WR is

or just watch the games, welker could have 3 defenders keying on him and still get open, welker can't be covered when he's in sync with Brady

[monosylab1k]

:lmao calling Welker more vital to the offense. The only reason the middle of the field is always so open for Welker is because of the attention Moss draws from the safeties.

Moss is more important than Welker, but you can't deny Welker's production. Dude has brought it big time this year.

And I think we all tried to erase from our memories what happened earlier in the year when Welker was out and Brady was forced to go to Joey Galloway instead.

[vander]

Rivers deep ball is terrible? He throws one of the best deep balls in the league. Everybody misses some but he gets the ball there as well as anyone. Sometimes the receiver doesn't run the route correctly and either hesitates, slows down, or breaks the route too much one way or another.

in the league? think about that man, start making a list:

Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Schaub, other Manning, Favre, Warner, even guys like Roeth and Romo throw more accurate deep balls, and I haven't seen much of Flaco or that Atlanta QB, they might be on the list too

pretty much every "franchise QB" throws a better deep ball than Rivers. Rivers is good because he always makes the right throw

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Moss is more important than Welker, but you can't deny Welker's production. Dude has brought it big time this year.

And I think we all tried to erase from our memories what happened earlier in the year when Welker was out and Brady was forced to go to Joey Galloway instead.


I'm not denying Welker has had a great year, my only point there is that Welker's production is largely due to Moss.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

welker could have 3 defenders keying on him and still get open


This is based on what?

[vander]

I'm not denying Welker has had a great year, my only point there is that Welker's production is largely due to Moss.

you're not a pats fan are you? cause you're talking like a person who hasn't seen a single pats game this year :lol

you've got to be like a vikings fan or something, remembering the glory days of Moss, he's not that guy anymore

[vander]

This is based on what?

evens that have occurred in recent months, and were even filmed for all to see

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

you're not a pats fan are you? cause you're talking like a person who hasn't seen a single pats game this year :lol

you've got to be like a vikings fan or something, remembering the glory days of Moss, he's not that guy anymore


I'm a Pats fan, and idk why you're acting like someone with 1100+ yards and 13 touchdowns is a scrub.

[vander]

I'm a Pats fan, and idk why you're acting like someone with 1100+ yards and 13 touchdowns is a scrub.

being lesser than Welker does not equate to being a scrub.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

being lesser than Welker does not equate to being a scrub.


Moss has 147 less yards than Welker and 9 more touchdowns, how exactly is he lesser than Welker?

[vander]

Moss has 147 less yards than Welker and 9 more touchdowns, how exactly is he lesser than Welker?

LT has a bunch of TDs this year too, so what? TDs are hardly indicative of production and importance.

Moss gets the occasional big play, lots of WRs can do that, Welker consistently moves the chains, very few players in the NFL can do that.

edit: also, welker got his yards in one or two fewer games than Moss

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

LT has a bunch of TDs this year too, so what? TDs are hardly indicative of production and importance.



So 147 yards > 9 touchdowns?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

edit: also, welker got his yards in one or two fewer games than Moss


He also got his yards being guarded by the 2nd best corner on the other team. If you think defenses focus on stopping Welker anywhere near as much as they focus on stopping Moss then you're retarded.

[vander]

He also got his yards being guarded by the 2nd best corner on the other team. If you think defenses focus on stopping Welker anywhere near as much as they focus on stopping Moss then you're retarded.

like I said earlier, hopefully we'll get a chance to see welker in action without Moss someday, maybe then you will see and understand.

moving the chains >>> getting the TDs
Moss is much much more replaceable than Welker, Brady would tell you that, Belichick would tell you that, it's not hard to see, but you are stuck on the TDs and the former greatness of Moss.

had Welker stayed healthy, he would have broken the receptions in a season record, and if the Pats weren't worried about Moss's ego, more of those TDs would have gone Welkers way too, but you got to keep Moss from becoming a problem, so you toss him the TDs :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

more of those TDs would have gone Welkers way too, but you got to keep Moss from becoming a problem, so you toss him the TDs :lol


That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

moving the chains >>> getting the TDs
Moss is much much more replaceable than Welker, Brady would tell you that, Belichick would tell you that


Have you asked them?

[dirk4mvp]

you're not a pats fan are you? cause you're talking like a person who hasn't seen a single pats game this year :lol



That's rich coming from a so called Charger fan who thinks Rivers' deep ball is terrible.

[Greg Oden]

moving the chains >>> getting the TDs
Moss is much much more replaceable than Welker, Brady would tell you that, Belichick would tell you that, it's not hard to see, but you are stuck on the TDs and the former greatness of Moss.



What am I reading? The most physically gifted WR of all time (even still at the ripe age of 32) is 'much more replaceable' than a guy who catches an ass ton of screens and nobody had a clue who he was until he came to NE?

It's obvious you hang out with ducks when his boss lets him have a break during his 14 hr/day shifts.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

LMAO Chargerfan

[Dr. Gonzo]

moving the chains >>> getting the TDs
Moss is much much more replaceable than Welker, Brady would tell you that, Belichick would tell you that, it's not hard to see, but you are stuck on the TDs and the former greatness of Moss.


Scoring TD's is kinda important. That's how they get the number that decides the winner.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Scoring TD's is kinda important. That's how they get the number that decides the winner.

:lol

+1

[dirk4mvp]

Is it just a coincidence that Spurstalk Charger fans are retarded?

[vander]

Scoring TD's is kinda important. That's how they get the number that decides the winner.

see LT, the guy scoring the TD isn't always the reason the team was able to score a TD.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

see LT, the guy scoring the TD isn't always the reason the team was able to score a TD.


I didn't know rushing touchdowns had anything to do with a Moss-Welker discussion.

[vander]

What am I reading? The most physically gifted WR of all time (even still at the ripe age of 32) is 'much more replaceable' than a guy who catches an ass ton of screens and nobody had a clue who he was until he came to NE?

It's obvious you hang out with ducks when his boss lets him have a break during his 14 hr/day shifts.

in what way? he won't go over the middle, he isn't quick or shifty, can't create separation in a small amount of space, he's a glorified Malcolm Floyd at this point.

nobody had a clue who who he was is that supposed to be a point of some sort? nobody knew who Kurt Warner was either, so I guess he can't be very good

you people need to go back to Madden where you can bomb it deep to Moss all day, there's a reality you can understand, the real NFL seems to be a little to tough for you to grasp

[vander]

I didn't know rushing touchdowns had anything to do with a Moss-Welker discussion.

I'm starting to understand how you wouldn't be able to make the connection

[gaKNOW!blee]

see LT, the guy scoring the TD isn't always the reason the team was able to score a TD.

14, 40, 28, 9, 71, 63, 5, 4, 58, 13, 2, 6, 17

Thats the yardage on all of Moss' TD's this year. For an average of 25 yards per touchdown (13 of them)

I didn't look...but something tells me these numbers are not similar for LT.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

in what way? he won't go over the middle, he isn't quick or shifty, can't create separation in a small amount of space, he's a glorified Malcolm Floyd at this point.


Since apparently either one of us can grab 13 receiving touchdowns, how is it a glorified Malcolm Floyd has 1189 receiving yards?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I'm starting to understand how you wouldn't be able to make the connection


In case you didn't notice everyone in this thread thinks you're retarded.

[vander]

That's rich coming from a so called Charger fan who thinks Rivers' deep ball is terrible.

what makes you think it isn't? do you just assume that a completion indicates an accurate throw? you just going on the stats and box scores?

[vander]

In case you didn't notice everyone in this thread thinks you're retarded.

that's important, because consensus = fact, and 4 people = consensus :lol

when has a message board mob ever been right about anything :lol

[Dr. Gonzo]

that's important, because consensus = fact, and 4 people = consensus :lol

when has a message board mob ever been right about anything :lol

Especially this message board. Though, if Welker was a Cowboy you would have more people agreeing with you.

[vander]

14, 40, 28, 9, 71, 63, 5, 4, 58, 13, 2, 6, 17

Thats the yardage on all of Moss' TD's this year. For an average of 25 yards per touchdown (13 of them)

I didn't look...but something tells me these numbers are not similar for LT.

and?

:bang man, you people are just so dense, there's no way I can explain it to you, you wont believe anything your eyes can't see, on a stat sheet, Malcolm Floyd would have gone for 1000 yards and 12 TD in place of Moss, what Moss did this year was not special, Marshall would have scored like 16 TDs and had 1600 yards. but since I can't rewind time and create an alternate reality with these parameters for you to view, you are, unfortunately, stuck with your ignorance. :lol :toast

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

that's important, because consensus = fact, and 4 people = consensus :lol

when has a message board mob ever been right about anything :lol


It's a lot better than your logic


What I think Brady or Belichick would say (when there's no basis for that claim at all) = fact

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Malcolm Floyd would have gone for 1000 yards and 12 TD in place of Moss


You've managed to out dumb all of the really dumb shit you've said in this thread, great job.

[gaKNOW!blee]

and?

:bang man, you people are just so dense, there's no way I can explain it to you, you wont believe anything your eyes can't see, on a stat sheet, Malcolm Floyd would have gone for 1000 yards and 12 TD in place of Moss, what Moss did this year was not special, Marshall would have scored like 16 TDs and had 1600 yards. but since I can't rewind time and create an alternate reality with these parameters for you to view, you are, unfortunately, stuck with your ignorance. :lol :toast

I give facts, you give predictions and speculation. Thanks for tryin tho.

[vander]

It's a lot better than your logic


What I think Brady or Belichick would say (when there's no basis for that claim at all) = fact

the basis for that claim would be the assumed intelligence and understanding of football both Brady and Belichick possess.
I'm 100% confident that they would (if being truly honest) tell you Welker is the more vital player. I would love to hear them answer the question hooked up to a lie detector, while you are just glad that they won't be divulging this information, once again preferring ignorance.

[vander]

I give facts, you give predictions and speculation. Thanks for tryin tho.

facts, like the yards of each TD? that's nice, so you think that WRs can and should be ranked based on stats? and you think the most important stat is TDs? do you have any facts that support this assumption? historically, how well has the most TD-scoring WR correlated with SB success, versus say... total receptions, or first down receptions on third down, or total yards.

do elaborate on you cold hard irrefutable facts

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Larry Fitzgerald and Randy Moss are the only two players in the NFL with 1000 yards and 12 touchdowns, are you saying Malcolm Floyd could be one of two players with 1000 yards and 12 touchdowns if he were on NE instead of Moss?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

do elaborate on you cold hard irrefutable facts


I think you should elaborate on how Malcolm Floyd could have 1000 yards and 12 touchdowns on New England.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So is it just coincidence 6 of the 8 pro bowl receivers have 9 or more TD's this year?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

This thread got stupid real quick.

Welker is a great WR in his own right, but the dude doesn't hold a candle to Mr. Moss.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Chargerfan made this thread stupid real quick.


fify

[gaKNOW!blee]

facts, like the yards of each TD? that's nice, so you think that WRs can and should be ranked based on stats? and you think the most important stat is TDs? do you have any facts that support this assumption? historically, how well has the most TD-scoring WR correlated with SB success, versus say... total receptions, or first down receptions on third down, or total yards.

do elaborate on you cold hard irrefutable facts

lol ok ill do the research and get right back to you...meanwhile, go lay face down in your bath tub. be sure to run the water.

[vander]

I think you should elaborate on how Malcolm Floyd could have 1000 yards and 12 touchdowns on New England.

well if Ricochet Caldwell can get get 800 yards opposite NOBODY on a Belichick offense then... well here we go again, I can't expect you to grasp hypotheticals or make connections, if it didn't happen, it couldn't have happened.
Macolm Floyd never caught a pass from Brady, so to assume that he could even catch one pass for one yard is quite a stretch of the imagination.

I concede :lol

[vander]

lol ok ill do the research and get right back to you...meanwhile, go lay face down in your bath tub. be sure to run the water.

can't argue those facts :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

well if Ricochet Caldwell can get get 800 yards opposite NOBODY on a Belichick offense then... well here we go again, I can't expect you to grasp hypotheticals or make connections, if it didn't happen, it couldn't have happened.
Macolm Floyd never caught a pass from Brady, so to assume that he could even catch one pass for one yard is quite a stretch of the imagination.

I concede :lol


Thanks for answering my question.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol ok ill do the research and get right back to you...meanwhile, go lay face down in your bath tub. be sure to run the water.


And don't forget to bring a hair dryer in with you.

[vander]

its always funny when the opposition has to resort name calling and "kill yourself"

even funnier when they think this symbolizes their victory.


you're an idiot! I win! hahahaha


:toast

[vander]

:lmao at thinking Malcolm Floyd could equal the production of Randy Moss. I've read some stupid shit written by Chargerfans on this board, but that easily takes the cake.

1000 = 1200?
12 = 13?

damn public education system

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

its always funny when the opposition has to resort name calling and "kill yourself"

even funnier when they think this symbolizes their victory.


you're an idiot! I win! hahahaha


:toast


Bill Belichick would call you an idiot if you told him Malcolm Floyd could get 1000 yards and 12 TDs on the Patriots.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You're really gonna argue one TD difference?


He already said TD's don't matter but now they do, I guess.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If Wes Welker is such a good individual receiver and would be good regardless of what team he's on while Moss is the one who is dependent on New England's system, why is it Welker was a no name prior to being traded to New England while Moss was a multiple time all pro receiver prior to being traded to New England?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Troy Brown was Welker before Welker apparently became this wunderkind one of a kind player.

I guess that means Glenn equals Moss.

[vander]

Bill Belichick would call you an idiot if you told him Malcolm Floyd could get 1000 yards and 12 TDs on the Patriots.

man you really don't think to highly of Belichick's system, or Brady.

bet you didn't think Welker could do shit either, and then he did, and you still don't quite understand how. :lol

and Floyd is averaging over 50 yards per game since Chambers left, on team that has lots of hands to spread the ball around to, he's a MUCH MUCH better WR than Ricochet, the fact that you think 1000/12 on a Belichick offense is so unattainable is quite ridiculous.

when does Moss become a FA? I hope you get to see my words in action, I hope you get to see a Pats team with Welker tearing it up opposite some average WR.

and when this happens, please, don't kill yourself

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

the fact that you think 1000/12 on a Belichick offense is so unattainable is quite ridiculous.



Randy Moss is the only player to play for the Pats since BB took over to have 1000/10.

And he's done it all three years in NE.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

he's a MUCH MUCH better WR than Ricochet, the fact that you think 1000/12 on a Belichick offense is so unattainable is quite ridiculous.


Name me some receivers who have put up those numbers in Belichick's offense. I'll give you a head start, Randy Moss. Go find someone else since it's apparently so easy to put up those numbers in this offense.

[dirk4mvp]

what makes you think it isn't? do you just assume that a completion indicates an accurate throw? you just going on the stats and box scores?

What did you and ducks talk about today?

[holcs50]

yeah Welker was obviously much more vital to that offense, Moss disappeared for stretches and just got a lot of touchdown tosses to keep his ego massaged, but Moss was quite the disappointment this year.

and VJ, though he could have gotten better stats in a different system, doesn't deserve to be in over Marshall, Marshall basically carried that Denver offense.

however, Rivers's deep ball is terrible, his average bomb to VJ is about 5 yards off. often times his throws are under or overthrown by 10 yards. If he could hit VJ deep, I'm sure VJ would have been in the Pro Bowl. frankly, I think VJ/Gates/Floyd/the screen pass make Rivers look like a better QB than he is.

As a long time charger fan I seriously question if you know anything about the team at all. The screen pass/dump off call is what people who don't watch the thing say Rivers always does. Rivers only dumps/screens to sprolesy and LT now and then. Almost all of Gates' completions are up the middle for a minimum of 10 yards, there's hardly any bs 5 yarders to gates-wtf u talkin bout. And VJ for your information has the 2nd highest yards/catch out of the 1000 yard receivers. He has 17.2 y/catch, desean jackson is first with 18.7 y/catch. But I guess that's because they do little drop passes a VJ always runs for like 15 yards after the catch!!! ROFL. VJ gets most of his passes through mid/deep crossing routes and deep outs/slants. I will agree rivers has underthrown him a few times, but damn they have hooked up on a LOT of big time completions. Your analysis of the bolded portion is exactly what a person who doesn't know the chargers would say.

As for VJ over marshall, hell yes. Im sorry you reward the player on the team that is miles better than the other. Marshall has quite a few more catches but look at his avg y/catch....there's the guy who gets quick little dump slants and short yardage catches....11.1 y/catch to 17.2. Quite a big difference. They are about even on TDs and yards, so I give it to the guy who plays for the obviously better team and the guy who makes bigger plays consistently-thats VJ. VJ also opens up a lot of middle plays for gates, and vice-versa. Both are important and both should be pro bowlers for the team with the second best record in the AFL.

[HarlemHeat37]

The "better team" argument doesn't apply in the NFL for a position like WR IMO..I don't see how it would..

If Marshall was playing for San Diego, it wouldn't even be debatable..

He's the only weapon we've had for our offense..

Jackson has a top 4 QB throwing to him, Tomlinson and Sproles in the backfield and Antonio Gates next to him..compared to Kyle Orton(a top 30 QB?), Moreno and Buckhalter in the backfield, an injury-depleted offensive line with one of the weakest interiors in the NFL, and no other receivers that come anywhere near Gates in impact..

[leemajors]

[/B]

As a long time charger fan I seriously question if you know anything about the team at all. The screen pass/dump off call is what people who don't watch the thing say Rivers always does. Rivers only dumps/screens to sprolesy and LT now and then. Almost all of Gates' completions are up the middle for a minimum of 10 yards, there's hardly any bs 5 yarders to gates-wtf u talkin bout. And VJ for your information has the 2nd highest yards/catch out of the 1000 yard receivers. He has 17.2 y/catch, desean jackson is first with 18.7 y/catch. But I guess that's because they do little drop passes a VJ always runs for like 15 yards after the catch!!! ROFL. VJ gets most of his passes through mid/deep crossing routes and deep outs/slants. I will agree rivers has underthrown him a few times, but damn they have hooked up on a LOT of big time completions. Your analysis of the bolded portion is exactly what a person who doesn't know the chargers would say.

As for VJ over marshall, hell yes. Im sorry you reward the player on the team that is miles better than the other. Marshall has quite a few more catches but look at his avg y/catch....there's the guy who gets quick little dump slants and short yardage catches....11.1 y/catch to 17.2. Quite a big difference. They are about even on TDs and yards, so I give it to the guy who plays for the obviously better team and the guy who makes bigger plays consistently-thats VJ. VJ also opens up a lot of middle plays for gates, and vice-versa. Both are important and both should be pro bowlers for the team with the second best record in the AFL.

Rivers is pretty good, and pretty accurate, but he doesn't have a very strong arm.

[J.T.]

The Pro Bowl is not a reward for being on a good team. If your team gets the #1 or #2 seed, half of your team isn't going to Miami. If being on a good team was a criterion for making the Pro Bowl, there would be no Houston, NYJ, or Buffalo players named to the roster, but there are.

Charger fan on this board continues to shoot his own foot off.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Charger fan on this board continues to shoot his own foot off.


It's amazing how one fan base can have so much frontal lobe damage. Other than holc all the Charger fans on here I seriously question whether or not they need help turning their computer on.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Btw Holc, that game was one of the most embarrassing, humiliating things I've ever witnessed.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I don't get why people give a fuck about the PB. Guys get shafted every year.

DeAngelo Williams and Calvin Johnson were two big ones last year.

And Jason Hanson got the snub solely because of the team he played for...

Big fucking deal.

[J.T.]

It's amazing how one fan base can have so much frontal lobe damage. Other than holc all the Charger fans on here I seriously question whether or not they need help turning their computer on.

Chargers are like the Suns of the NFL right now.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Chargers are like the Suns of the NFL right now.


If the Chargers are the Suns then the Patriots are the Spurs :lol

[J.T.]

Spurs never cheated. Try again.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Damn nigga why you so pissed of today?

[O-Factor]

Son of a bitch, what the fuck is wrong with people.

Malcom Floyd????? Seriously.

[holcs50]

Btw Holc, that game was one of the most embarrassing, humiliating things I've ever witnessed.

OMG bro. I'm so embarrassed, I really can't defend the pac in any way after that performance. We finally make a good bowl and just shit all over, what was foles like 6-25 for like 50 yards?!?! U kidding ha.

And the chargers fans on spurstalk are a handicapped bunch it seems like. Oh well I weekly go to bars and talk to legitimate fans about them-only team I like that's really a "home" team. JT would be so angry driving around diego right now....chargers flags poppin up and people constantly talking about them...there might be a murder spree. And not all chargers fans are fucking retards-i admit there are a bunch of tattooed faggets who think they're badass and parade around like cocky fans but all fan bases have tards. There's a lot of mellow chargers fans. Obviously this board makes charger fans look bad