3-man pod: BS Report on the Spurs

[spectator]

Spurs are at the end of part I of today's podcast.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/simmons/index

[spectator]

there's also a bit of heavy D on part II; simmons likes him, ric does not; no surprise there ric

[ffadicted]

So much fail by these guys lol

* Tim is no longer a dominant player
* Manu is an afterthought in the team
* No role players who've won titles
* Their comments on who can impact and how
* Manu is ready to go somewhere else because he doesn't like Pop (at least one of them corrected that)
* Suggesting a TMac and Battier for Ginobili and Jefferson lol
* Comparing this Spurs team to Utah in the early decade (a bit premature don't you think?)
* Blair is only doing well cuz he's in the spurs (lol wut?)

They did have some good points though, like how no matter what san antonio looks like, they'd still rather play other teams, unbeliavable how blair slipped so far, and how the spurs will never trade manu because that'd be like trading larry bird.

[anonoftheinternets]

So much fail by these guys lol

* Tim is no longer a dominant player
* Manu is an afterthought in the team
* No role players who've won titles
* Their comments on who can impact and how
* Manu is ready to go somewhere else because he doesn't like Pop (at least one of them corrected that)
* Suggesting a TMac and Battier for Ginobili and Jefferson lol
* Comparing this Spurs team to Utah in the early decade (a bit premature don't you think?)
* Blair is only doing well cuz he's in the spurs (lol wut?)

They did have some good points though, like how no matter what san antonio looks like, they'd still rather play other teams, unbeliavable how blair slipped so far, and how the spurs will never trade manu because that'd be like trading larry bird.

Thanks for this. I wasn't able to listen to the whole thing.

[DPG21920]

So much fail by these guys lol

1)* Tim is no longer a dominant player
2)* Manu is an afterthought in the team
3)* No role players who've won titles
4)* Their comments on who can impact and how
5)* Manu is ready to go somewhere else because he doesn't like Pop (at least one of them corrected that)
6)* Suggesting a TMac and Battier for Ginobili and Jefferson lol
7)* Comparing this Spurs team to Utah in the early decade (a bit premature don't you think?)
8)* Blair is only doing well cuz he's in the spurs (lol wut?)

They did have some good points though, like how no matter what san antonio looks like, they'd still rather play other teams, unbeliavable how blair slipped so far, and how the spurs will never trade manu because that'd be like trading larry bird.

1) There is certainly an argument to be made that Tim is no longer a "dominant" player. He is putting up dominant numbers, but he no longer commands double teams like he used to and he has lost a step defensively. He is still solid on that end, but he makes more mistakes now than ever before. His durability is another argument that can be used against him. Can he do this all year? Could he play 40 minutes per game? It is not as asinine an argument as one might believe. Duncan is still great, but I am just saying an argument can be made depending on how you frame it.

2) Manu is certainly not an afterthought. He is on the front of everyone's mind on this team. If they are saying the old Manu is an afterthought, they might have a point, but still too early to tell imo. Spurs need Manu to play like old Manu to have a legit shot, so in that regard he is certainly not an afterthought and everyone involved with the Spurs knows that. If he can't play at that level, they may look to trade him.

3) Odd comment considering our role players form the best bench in the league.

5) That is just plain silly. I guess they missed it was Pop who picked Manu up from the airport.

6) Would not be a terrible idea if T-Mac has anything left. Shane would fit right in and T-Mac, if he could get back to a decent level is a great player. That is a big if, but so is Manu. This would also give the Spur a huge hunk of salary relief. But right now, Manu looks much better than T-Mac, so no.

7) I don't know how they can compare the Spurs team to anyone, especially Utah, because the Spurs still have a core that has won multiple titles. The Spurs don't even know what they have yet, how can these guys?

8) lol.

[Shastafarian]

So much fail by these guys lol

* Tim is no longer a dominant player
They basically all agreed you don't gameplan for Duncan and he never gets double-teamed anymore. Hard to argue with that even though he's having one of his best statistical seasons


* Manu is an afterthought in the teamAgain hard to argue considering the lack of impact Manu has had. They talk about teammates saying Manu doesn't play with the same reckless abandon.


* No role players who've won titlesThat's not what they said. They said they don't have role players who have played crucial roles on title teams. Who has? Finley?


* Manu is ready to go somewhere else because he doesn't like Pop (at least one of them corrected that)Simmons said he heard a rumor Manu was sick of Pop hounding him. Bucher and Stein both shot it down. Bucher even said Manu hasn't experienced nearly what Tony has with regards to Pop getting on him.


* Suggesting a TMac and Battier for Ginobili and Jefferson lolSimmons didn't suggest this as a possible trade. He was using it as an example so Bucher and Stein could weigh in on how much it would take to get the Spurs to trade Manu.


* Comparing this Spurs team to Utah in the early decade (a bit premature don't you think?)Only time will tell on this one.


* Blair is only doing well cuz he's in the spurs (lol wut?)Bucher's an idiot sometimes.

[TheChillFactor]

Thank u for saving me from wasting my time on this uninformed garbage

[anonoftheinternets]

5) That is just plain silly. I guess they missed it was Pop who picked Manu up from the airport.


In the other thread (Dec 30th interview). Manu says hes not sure he will return to the spurs.

[DPG21920]

In the other thread (Dec 30th interview). Manu says hes not sure he will return to the spurs.

But what does that have to do with him not liking Pop? In that same interview you are referencing, Manu says his relationship with Pop goes beyond coaching and even if he leaves, he would have a great relationship with Pop.

[itzsoweezee]

So much fail by these guys lol

* Suggesting a TMac and Battier for Ginobili and Jefferson lol


these guys are morons. i wouldn't do this trade even if tmac was still healthy.

[#2!]

Thank u for saving me from wasting my time on this uninformed garbage

[TD 21]

Who are you, the Johnny Ludden of SpursTalk? You seemingly are so intent on not coming off as a homer that you've actually gone the other way now and seem to downplay or underrate everything Spurs.

There is no argument to be made that Duncan is no longer a dominant player. He still impacts the game in a variety of ways; Nowitzki, your boy, doesn't and Gasol, hyped as he is, still isn't as good an all around player as Duncan, not by any measure. Teams no longer doubling him is their choice. They could have chose to do that in the past as well, would that have meant then that he wasn't dominant? The reality is this Spurs team is loaded offensively and if teams double Duncan, they're no longer leaving just spot-up shooters, they're leaving, in addition to spot up shooters (3rd in 3-point shooting) guys who can beat them off the dribble, finish in the paint and/or get to the line, as well as make plays for others. How can you allocate so much attention to someone (even someone as great as Duncan) when there's so much firepower around him?

Duncan is still worthy of commanding a double team, though. The man is putting up (roughly) 20 points on 14 shots and 5 free throws, with 55% shooting, 78% from the line and all in 32 minutes per game.

[Scola]

Good catch guys! I normally listen to the BS report pretty often but I haven't heard this one yet. Downloading it to my Ipod :]

[elbamba]

Teams are not doubling duncan, that does not mean that he does not command a double team. He is shooting his highest fg% because they are trying to play him one-on-one. If he played 38 minutes a game he would average 25 and 13 with 3 blocks a game, but his age would wear him out.

Name one big man you would take over Duncan right now, this season, not long term. Just this one year. Duncan would still be at the top of the list. I promise you Boston would give up KG. If it were one year LA would drop Gasol, Orlando would get rid of Howard. Duncan has been a beast and at times has carried the Spurs. Now that the players are all starting to contribute, teams will really be screwed. Manu is starting to move with the ball rather than settle for threes, if he can keep up how he has played the last 3-4 games where he puts up solid numbers in 4-5 catagories, this team is dangerous and will play with anyone in a 7 game series. This team is only two years removed from playing in the WCF...do not forget this.

[ffadicted]

Thank u for saving me from wasting my time on this uninformed garbage

:toast lol

[The Truth #6]

I thought it was an insightful discussion. Simmons basically got it right regarding Manu: he isn't sure if his body is giving out, and he's afraid to get injured because he's in a contract year.

Everyone here is pissing in their pants because they're afraid to hear some analysis that doesn't involved the Spurs getting their collective wieners sucked.

All commentators said we aren't there right now but could be later in the season. Basically, it's the same thing everyone here has been saying all season. Not a big deal.

[Trimble87]

Teams are not doubling duncan, that does not mean that he does not command a double team.

Thats a contradicition. Demanding a double team means you HAVE to double him or you lose. from 01-03 (Tims most dominant years) if you didn't Double him he would score on you every single time down the floor. Statistically Duncan is having a great year, but he is NOT the same dominant force he used to be. This is not the ESPN guys hating on Tim, a sentence later Simmons calls him a top 10 player right now. It's just a fact.

Tims having grat numbers this year feasting on our weak schedule so far and 1 on 1 match ups. When he was dominant he got the same numbers (and even ebtter numbers come playoff time) despite being double teamed all the time. Thats the difference, and its not a bad thing. Tim is playing great, and if he can keep it going all season, and into the payoffs, then we are all set.

[Galileo]

If Tim is not getting doubled as much, then why is our offense so much better than 5 years ago?

Tim is not getting doubled because he has better offensive teammates. He has also gradually moved his game outside, which means less doubles, but he is more accurate than ever this year from the glass.

I just went to the Bucks game. If you do not stick Duncan at 15 feet, he is almost automatic.

[spectator]

The reality is this Spurs team is loaded offensively and if teams double Duncan, they're no longer leaving just spot-up shooters, they're leaving, in addition to spot up shooters (3rd in 3-point shooting) guys who can beat them off the dribble, finish in the paint and/or get to the line, as well as make plays for others. How can you allocate so much attention to someone (even someone as great as Duncan) when there's so much firepower around him?

Duncan is still worthy of commanding a double team, though. The man is putting up (roughly) 20 points on 14 shots and 5 free throws, with 55% shooting, 78% from the line and all in 32 minutes per game.

true words - this team's problems are not so much related to offense as defense; and it's not the opp ppg statistic that bothers us, even if it;s higher than ever (some due to increase of pace), but the opp fgp that is outside top 10 last time i checked about a week ago; not to say that offense is perfect, but i believe this team is still a contender with duncan playing at league second-best PER level.

[alchemist]

1) There is certainly an argument to be made that Tim is no longer a "dominant" player. He is putting up dominant numbers, but he no longer commands double teams like he used to and he has lost a step defensively. He is still solid on that end, but he makes more mistakes now than ever before. His durability is another argument that can be used against him. Can he do this all year? Could he play 40 minutes per game? It is not as asinine an argument as one might believe. Duncan is still great, but I am just saying an argument can be made depending on how you frame it.

:lmao A 33 year old Tim is still getting triple team coverage. I know the media sleeps on Timmy but a Spurfan should know better than this.

[da_suns_fan]

3) Odd comment considering our role players form the best bench in the league.


:rolleyes

[DPG21920]

:rolleyes

We don't have the best bench? Look at the stats.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/10/7/diffeff/1-1

[greyforest]

We don't have the best bench? Look at the stats.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/10/7/diffeff/1-1

rofl

spurs basically just have two starting units

[Mr. Body]

Duncan has dropped a step on offense, but if they had less talent around him, surely he'd still get doubled.

[TimDunkem]

there's also a bit of heavy D on part II; simmons likes him, ric does not; no surprise there ric
I didn't listen to it. So, are you talking about Ric Bucher? I talked to that douche on Twitter, and he doesn't believe he can be anything more than Malik Rose 2.0.

You talk to him about stats then he resorts to the "Why bring up stats Statman?" cop out. The guy should just stick to side line reporting.

[spectator]

I didn't listen to it. So, are you talking about Ric Bucher? I talked to that douche on Twitter, and he doesn't believe he can be anything more than Malik Rose 2.0.

You talk to him about stats then he resorts to the "Why bring up stats Statman?" cop out. The guy should just stick to side line reporting.


yes, talking about bucher; at the beginning of the second part, simmons says that blair can save some minutes for duncan; while ric almost hates him;