If Duncan were to win an NBA Championship in the next few years...

[BillMc]

I think he would become the first player to win the title in 3 different decades:

The 1990s (1999)
The 2000's (2003,2005,2007)
The 2010's (?)

I've looked for others that were eligible on Wikipeida and NBA.com and can't find a "3-decade winner" but it is possible I've missed a non-star.

Trivia, yes, but it would be a cool symbol of Tim's continued excellence.

[Galileo]

John Salley

[hater]

more importantly, if he gets 1 more championship, he instantly becomes clearly and undisputed better than Shaq and Kobe. Making him the Best in his generation. and probably top 5 best player in history.

[BillMc]

John Salley

Yep, you're right. I stand...er...sit, corrected.

Of course, TIm could still become the first to win a FINALS MVP in 3 different decades.

[draft87]

I think he would become the first player to win the title in 3 different decades:

The 1990s (1999)
The 2000's (2003,2005,2007)
The 2010's (?)

I've looked for others that were eligible on Wikipeida and NBA.com and can't find a "3-decade winner" but it is possible I've missed a non-star.

Trivia, yes, but it would be a cool symbol of Tim's continued excellence.


waiting for a Mavs fan or a disgruntled Spurs fan to start shitting a brick and dropping Wiki-quotes about this point being moot for two more years so that the 2011-2012 season can be argued as the first season neither start nor end in the debatable starting/ending year of the decade(2010)!

[Galileo]

more importantly, if he gets 1 more championship, he instantly becomes clearly and undisputed better than Shaq and Kobe. Making him the Best in his generation. and probably top 5 best player in history.

Duncan is already top 5.

He has accomplished more than Bird or Wilt.

That leaves only MJ, Jabbar, Magic, and Russell.

[BillMc]

more importantly, if he gets 1 more championship, he instantly becomes clearly and undisputed better than Shaq and Kobe. Making him the Best in his generation. and probably top 5 best player in history.

Agreed, but he's already ahead of Shaq and Kobe in my (obviously biased) opinion:

Shaq 3 titles as alpha dog, 1 as sidekick
Kobe 1 title as alpha dog, 3 as sidekick
Tim 4 titles as alpha dog!

[HarlemHeat37]

Duncan would cement himself as #7 all-time with a possibility to be #6 with another ring IMO..

[murpjf88]

Agreed, but he's already ahead of Shaq and Kobe in my (obviously biased) opinion:

Shaq 3 titles as alpha dog, 1 as sidekick
Kobe 1 title as alpha dog, 3 as sidekick
Tim 4 titles as alpha dog!

Yeah, well I don't think you can call Kobe, one of the greatest ever, a sidekick. If shaq didn't have kobe, they wouldn't have one squat.

[Texas Chili Dog]

waiting for a Mavs fan or a disgruntled Spurs fan to start shitting a brick and dropping Wiki-quotes about this point being moot for two more years so that the 2011-2012 season can be argued as the first season neither start nor end in the debatable starting/ending year of the decade(2010)!

nah, we will just claim that 1999 was half a ring. :lol


:toast

[HarlemHeat37]

Yeah, well I don't think you can call Kobe, one of the greatest ever, a sidekick. If shaq didn't have kobe, they wouldn't have one squat.

I agree that he wasn't a sidekick in 2001 and 2002, however he was in 2000, as even Laker fans would admit..Shaq was the undisputed best player on those teams though, anybody that watched the NBA at the time can see(not saying you didn't watch the NBA at the time, in case you think I'm taking a shot at you, since I usually do in RJ arguments)..

[draft87]

Agreed, but he's already ahead of Shaq and Kobe in my (obviously biased) opinion:

Shaq 3 titles as alpha dog, 1 as sidekick
Kobe 1 title as alpha dog, 3 as sidekick
Tim 4 titles as alpha dog!


Sorry, I usually refrain from what-if scenarios but this one is fun because it's hope that Duncan can get an indisputable, public claim of excellence. There's too much lame debate about Duncan being average or the best power forward ever. Or Shaq, Duncan, or Kobe... or does 1999 count??... etc

I'd really like to see Duncan get several titles before he retires, obviously. and of course I'm biased enough to want tangible proof that he's a superior champion compared to Shaq/Kobe....but this is just much too much to start thinking about once we start qualifying the titles. If Duncan wins a title three years from now(2013) it will still add up to 5 but there's no way of telling for sure that Kobe and Shaq won't win one as well. And I really doubt that Duncan will be an alpha dog in even two years from now. I hope I'm wrong. I'm only saying I don't believe it because it seems natural that he'll continue to experience physical decline. Timmy is a warrior and I don't doubt that will play against pain. I bet he's playing against a decent amount of pain right now. And he's proven to play in extreme pain in the past-2005 Finals, all of 2006. I just think that it's acceptable human nature to be 35 and incapable of willing yourself to alpha dog Tim Duncan caliber play.

All things considered, I'm sorry but this is a bit too complicated of a what-if scenario. It's nice to daydream about but way too premature to seriously consider
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BUT I will say that if Duncan does win another title, regardless of the Shaq/Kobe debate analysts will make a point to distinguish his three decades of championships from John Salley's. John Salley can claim that he won 4 titles during a span of 2 millenniums, but no one's really gonna hold that over Duncan's achievements.

People will say, "Tim Duncan the only player to be the franchise player of a championship team in 3 different decades"

or,
"Tim Duncan, winner of 5(6, 7?) championship, and the only player ever to win championships with the same team in 3 Different Decades"

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Of course if that title comes this season then some gay Lakers "fan" will come [trying to] "reigning" on everyone's parade and saying that it's not true because this season started in 2009, part of last decade. Or that a decade doesn't start till year 1(2011).

And when you call them a homo, they'll come up with some crap like 2011 doesn't even count because based on the aforementioned(not that they'd use such a word) theory the 2011 season starts in 2010 which still qualifies it for the previous decade.

AND WHEN YOU STILL call them a faggot and point out that their theory invalidates their claim of dynasty status because the 3-peat started in 1999-2000 therefore disqualifying them from "team of the decade" they'll get all snippy and tell you that Duncan is boring and the 1999 title should have an asterix(they'll spell it that way)

See you just can't start the claims of grandeur. You just open the door for Fakers of all nations to come knocking with just as biased(yet clearly more moronic) evaluations proving their team's superiority.

Trust me, I'm on your side. But God willing, we do win another title or more, if you feel tempted to advertise Duncan's excellence, you can remember that you won't need to. Why bother setting yourself up to engage in an annoying argument with a Fakers Lan? Rest assured that I and any other basketball mind recognize Duncan for the greatness he truly accomplished.

[draft87]

nah, we will just claim that 1999 was half a ring. :lol


:toast


Whatever, Mavs are/have been a solid team but at least Spurs don't waste their opportunities....yes you humiliated us in 2006 but you blew it. YOU BLEW IT.

You can waste time(which I won't cause I'm not a lame Mavs fan) debating whether 1999 counts as a half a ring OR

You can spend a few seconds acknowledging indisputable facts:

-Mavs, the only Western Conference team to let Kobe drop 62 points on them in only 3 quarters

-2007 Mavs, the only team with the NBA MVP, Dirk Nowitzki, to get eliminated in the first round of the playoffs!

-2007 Mavs, the only #1 seeded team to be eliminated in the first round in a best-of-7 series.

Where have the Mavs been since then? You beat us last year, only to get face fucked by the Nuggets. I don't know the exact count, but how few teams are there that go ahead 2-0 in the Finals and blow it in four straight losses? These are facts. Splitting hairs is lame. Waste of time, and in the Mavs case, a waste of money. You'd think the league only gives bad calls to the Mavs with the amount of protests they submit... Some may argue that the Spurs 1999 championship is half a ring. But no one can argue that the Mavs have 0.00000001 of a ring.

-sigh- I actually referred to "a Mavs fan" in my reply to the OP because there was a recent debate on the board about what defines a "decade". A disgruntled Spurs fan crossed Wiki-swords with a Mavs fan and it was humorous because the Mavs fans temporarily burned the Spurs fan. Both were right, both were wrong. It was a pointless argument. And my allusion to it was in no way a knock on Mavs fans but since you had to challenge the 1999 title I had to fire back with something more powerful than a round of blanks.

[Texas Chili Dog]

Whatever, Mavs are/have been a solid team but at least Spurs don't waste their opportunities....yes you humiliated us in 2006 but you blew it. YOU BLEW IT.

You can waste time(which I won't cause I'm not a lame Mavs fan) debating whether 1999 counts as a half a ring OR

You can spend a few seconds acknowledging indisputable facts:

-Mavs, the only Western Conference team to let Kobe drop 62 points on them in only 3 quarters

-2007 Mavs, the only team with the NBA MVP, Dirk Nowitzki, to get eliminated in the first round of the playoffs!

-2007 Mavs, the only #1 seeded team to be eliminated in the first round in a best-of-7 series.

Where have the Mavs been since then? You beat us last year, only to get face fucked by the Nuggets. I don't know the exact count, but how few teams are there that go ahead 2-0 in the Finals and blow it in four straight losses? These are facts. Splitting hairs is lame. Waste of time, and in the Mavs case, a waste of money. You'd think the league only gives bad calls to the Mavs with the amount of protests they submit... Some may argue that the Spurs 1999 championship is half a ring. But no one can argue that the Mavs have 0.00000001 of a ring.

-sigh- I actually referred to "a Mavs fan" in my reply to the OP because there was a recent debate on the board about what defines a "decade". A disgruntled Spurs fan crossed Wiki-swords with a Mavs fan and it was humorous because the Mavs fans temporarily burned the Spurs fan. Both were right, both were wrong. It was a pointless argument. And my allusion to it was in no way a knock on Mavs fans but since you had to challenge the 1999 title I had to fire back with something more powerful than a round of blanks.

woah woah I guess I didn't make it clear enough that I was joking. :lol

oops

[draft87]

woah woah I guess I didn't make it clear enough that I was joking. :lol

oops

damn, seriously? Ok, well then I'm sorry. My bad. I didn't think a Mavs fan on a Spurs board would be tongue-in-cheek. It is funny thinking that you're mocking your own fanbase. It's probably even funnier seeing me go postal about it.....

[JustinJDW]

more importantly, if he gets 1 more championship, he instantly becomes clearly and undisputed better than Shaq and Kobe. Making him the Best in his generation. and probably top 5 best player in history.This.

Even Kobe dick riders can't deny this.

[Texas Chili Dog]

damn, seriously? Ok, well then I'm sorry. My bad. I didn't think a Mavs fan on a Spurs board would be tongue-in-cheek. It is funny thinking that you're mocking your own fanbase. It's probably even funnier seeing me go postal about it.....

hahaha it's all good. :toast

[TDMVPDPOY]

even if duncan wins 1 more title, he wont be top 5 ever, ppl cant get over themselves to put him ahead of guys like bird + magic who is rank like 5-6 on most ppls top10 lists who dominated the 80s, then again shaq and duncan dominated the 00s, how come they dont get the same recognition like bird/magic?

guys like duncan, shaq, kobe and maybe lebron one day if he wins enough, highest those players could get is 7th.

[Horse]

Whatever, Mavs are/have been a solid team but at least Spurs don't waste their opportunities....yes you humiliated us in 2006 but you blew it. YOU BLEW IT.

You can waste time(which I won't cause I'm not a lame Mavs fan) debating whether 1999 counts as a half a ring OR

You can spend a few seconds acknowledging indisputable facts:

-Mavs, the only Western Conference team to let Kobe drop 62 points on them in only 3 quarters

-2007 Mavs, the only team with the NBA MVP, Dirk Nowitzki, to get eliminated in the first round of the playoffs!

-2007 Mavs, the only #1 seeded team to be eliminated in the first round in a best-of-7 series.

Where have the Mavs been since then? You beat us last year, only to get face fucked by the Nuggets. I don't know the exact count, but how few teams are there that go ahead 2-0 in the Finals and blow it in four straight losses? These are facts. Splitting hairs is lame. Waste of time, and in the Mavs case, a waste of money. You'd think the league only gives bad calls to the Mavs with the amount of protests they submit... Some may argue that the Spurs 1999 championship is half a ring. But no one can argue that the Mavs have 0.00000001 of a ring.

-sigh- I actually referred to "a Mavs fan" in my reply to the OP because there was a recent debate on the board about what defines a "decade". A disgruntled Spurs fan crossed Wiki-swords with a Mavs fan and it was humorous because the Mavs fans temporarily burned the Spurs fan. Both were right, both were wrong. It was a pointless argument. And my allusion to it was in no way a knock on Mavs fans but since you had to challenge the 1999 title I had to fire back with something more powerful than a round of blanks.
And they did not humiliate us in 06 that was a phatom call on Manu, that should have been where they blew the big series lead when they we're up 3-1 and really did lose without that bullshit call. Then last year we were so banged. No point really in including mavs in an argument cause they've not earned the righ to be part of it.:flag:

[Arnold Toht]

6

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Duncan would have Finals MVP's in three different decades if he had as much help as Kobe and LeBron. Amazing how the media always claims those two "superstars" need more help, yet they've never said that about Duncan but he never played in a big market with big time trades.

[hitmantb]

It is a shame because Duncan was 28 seconds away from his fifth ring and most likely a fourth finals MVP which would clearly break him away from Shaq/Kobe.

As it is today:

I really feel he is second only to MJ and I can agree he is behind Kareem. Wilt/Russell's era was hard to compare. Russell had a completely stacked team playing against inferior competition because of the way league was structured. Wilt lacked the rings to compete with other all time greats. On most "official" rankings, Duncan would be ranked behind Magic/Bird but I think it is completely BS. They played in huge markets with deep budgets and Parish/Mchale, Kareem/Worthy, all four of them were among the all-time greats.

Duncan has . . . 28th pick and 47th pick to team with. No offense to Parker/Ginobili, but they are not comparable to the teammates other three times and up champions's had. Duncan also plays for one of the smallest market teams with smallest budgets. Dallas was able to overpower him on a couple of years with Cuban's sheet will to spend (although he trimmed it down right after he finally got the ring he wanted). I haven't cried in a decade but I almost came to tears when they lost that 5 point lead with 28 seconds left. It would have been pure poetic justice and Lebron would never be able to compare to Duncan.

But now most official media will rank Jordan/Kareem/Magic/Bird ahead of Duncan. If they like dinosaurs they will rank Wilt/Russell ahead of him too. Shaq/Kobe will be right in the in his class. Lebron will most likely be in front of him and it all came down to Allen's 3 point shot. The shot that altered Duncan's historical rankings from top 5 or even top 3 down to top 10. It also saved Lebron's career. No single shot has anywhere near the same impact. It was truly amazing and unfortunately Lebron had god with him that night.

[Brunodf]

Thanks Pop (again) :bang

[Budkin]

LeBron is the best basketball player of all time and he blocked Splitter.

[HemisfairArena]

LeBron is the best basketball player of all time and he blocked Splitter.

I think the majority of posters on here could block Splitter.

[Budkin]

I think the majority of posters on here could block Splitter.

But, "The Block."

[kobexxx]

more importantly, if he gets 1 more championship, he instantly becomes clearly and undisputed better than Shaq and Kobe. Making him the Best in his generation. and probably top 5 best player in history.

hahaha keep dreaming

[Sean Cagney]

6

Yes 06 Finals and last time we met ur team in the playoffs. 6is a cool number huh? Your boy Dirk is 1... Tim at 4, fall back.

[HI-FI]

LeBron is the best basketball player of all time and he blocked Splitter.

I don't know about best, but definitely one of the best. Maybe most talented, i still think he lacks MJ's overall will to dominate. That being said, yes, that "block" was a bad omen. It was so humiliating, and let's not forget, Tiago was blocked several more times. Pop and Manu deserve the most blame imo, but man, wtf happened to Tiago in this series. Just completely disappeared. Yes, the "block" was a foreshadowing of things to come.

[therealtruth]

I don't know about best, but definitely one of the best. Maybe most talented, i still think he lacks MJ's overall will to dominate. That being said, yes, that "block" was a bad omen. It was so humiliating, and let's not forget, Tiago was blocked several more times. Pop and Manu deserve the most blame imo, but man, wtf happened to Tiago in this series. Just completely disappeared. Yes, the "block" was a foreshadowing of things to come.

Manu got all the chance in the world to redeem himself. Splitter didn't. I have no doubt he would have given the chance. People forget he had 2 crucial baskets late in game 6 when Pop was throwing the lead.

[bklynspursfan]

i think top 5 for sure. i also think they will get back to the finals next year and he'll get #5 and ride out on top just like D-Rob. It'll be their first title in an even year and he would have 5 titles in a 15 year span.

[kemak]

nah, we will just claim that 1999 was half a ring. :lol


:toast

I've never ever checked a Mavericks forum in my life. What is their obsession with Spurstalk?

http://gifstumblr.com/images/haters-gonna-hate_1042.gif

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

more importantly, if he gets 1 more championship, he instantly becomes clearly and undisputed better than Shaq and Kobe. Making him the Best in his generation. and probably top 5 best player in history.


But he won't :lol

[xmas1997]

But he won't :lol

And what criteria are you basing this on?

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

And what criteria are you basing this on?

The fact that he came about as close as you can come to winning at the advanced age of 37, an opportunity only granted because of a Russell Westbrook knee injury. As an objective basketball fan why would I expect Tim to ever get that opportunity again let alone to actually fulfill?

That botched layup over Shane was legacy sealing.

[kobexxx]

Agreed, but he's already ahead of Shaq and Kobe in my (obviously biased) opinion:

Shaq 3 titles as alpha dog, 1 as sidekick
Kobe 1 title as alpha dog, 3 as sidekick
Tim 4 titles as alpha dog!

kobe has 5. tim only has 4, and he's older

[TheGreatYacht]

The fact that he came about as close as you can come to winning at the advanced age of 37, an opportunity only granted because of a Russell Westbrook knee injury. As an objective basketball fan why would I expect Tim to ever get that opportunity again let alone to actually fulfill?

That botched layup over Shane was legacy sealing. That didn't do shit to his legacy tbh. If anything, the botched up 8 turnovers by Manu Ginobili was legacy sealing. There was no need for a Game 7 if Pop and Manu hadn't shat the bed in Game 6. Go back downstairs and keep telling people that Timmy choked because nobody outside of Kobetards will believe that bullshit.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

That didn't do shit to his legacy tbh. If anything, the botched up 8 turnovers by Manu Ginobili was legacy sealing. There was no need for a Game 7 if Pop and Manu hadn't shat the bed in Game 6. Go back downstairs and keep telling people that Timmy choked because nobody outside of Kobetards will believe that bullshit.

Lol, like I give a shit what any Tim Duncan defender says?

Damn right that shot sealed his legacy; a legacy that UNQUESTIONABLY would have gained by hitting that shot and winning the biggest game of his career. Might be comforting for Duncan slurpers to blame Manu, blame Pop, anyone but the leader of the franchise for the last 16 years for botching a gimme with the championship on the line.

Did Manu blow it game 6? Sure. So did Pop and Kawhi. But there was still a game 7 to be played Texas sized excuses aside, the Spurs were in that game and the balance of control in the 4th came down to a double miss by your Demi-god. He bricked away his chance immortality. The hardwood knows.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lol, like I give a shit what any Tim Duncan defender says?

Damn right that shot sealed his legacy; a legacy that UNQUESTIONABLY would have gained by hitting that shot and winning the biggest game of his career. Might be comforting for Duncan slurpers to blame Manu, blame Pop, anyone but the leader of the franchise for the last 16 years for botching a gimme with the championship on the line.

Did Manu blow it game 6? Sure. So did Pop and Kawhi. But there was still a game 7 to be played Texas sized excuses aside, the Spurs were in that game and the balance of control in the 4th came down to a double miss by your Demi-god. He bricked away his chance immortality. The hardwood knows.Lol, like I give a shit what any Kobetard has to say?

Kobetards & Lebrontards (casual NBA fans) like you don't know shit about basketball so that being said; Duncan's legacy was only tarnished in the eyes of the Kobetards & Lebrontards. You Kobetards were rooting for the Spurs to beat the Heat because you'll were scared that Lebron might surpass Kobe's legacy which I believe will eventually happen. As a matter of fact, I think it has already happened imo. Just look at all the individual accomplishments.

At the same time, the Kobetards and Kobe himself as a matter fact were also happy that Tim Duncan didn't get his 5th ring because that would of further enhanced the fact that Duncan > Kobe since you Kobetards are ring counters. Since I know that you're going to bring in the ring counting argument let me tell you that championships are team accomplishments. Ring counting is for idiots. Bill Russell has more rings than MJ but that don't make him better than MJ.

Even with Duncan's missed layup, he's still better than Kobe. Duncan is a top 10 all-time player. Kobe is a top 15 all-time player. End of story. Now go back to trolling downstairs or go talk some shit to the Lebrontards at the ESPN boards.

You're a Kobetard. Your username says it all.

BTW: Pop & Manu prevented Duncan from further enhancing his legacy.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

Lol, like I give a shit what any Kobetard has to say?

Kobetards & Lebrontards (casual NBA fans) like you don't know shit about basketball so that being said; Duncan's legacy was only tarnished in the eyes of the Kobetards & Lebrontards. You Kobetards were rooting for the Spurs to beat the Heat because you'll were scared that Lebron might surpass Kobe's legacy which I believe will eventually happen. As a matter of fact, I think it has already happened imo. Just look at all the individual accomplishments.

At the same time, the Lebrontards and Kobe himself as a matter fact were also happy that Tim Duncan didn't get his 5th ring because that would of further enhanced the fact that Duncan > Kobe since you Kobetards are ring counters. Since I know that you're going to bring in the ring counting argument let me tell you that championships are team accomplishments. Ring counting is for idiots. Bill Russell has more rings than MJ but that don't make him better than MJ.

Even with Duncan's missed layup, he's still better than Kobe. Duncan is a top 10 all-time player. Kobe is a top 15 all-time player. End of story. Now go back to trolling downstairs or go talk some shit to the Lebrontards at the ESPN boards.

You're a Kobetard. Your username says it all.

BTW: Pop & Manu prevented Duncan from further enhancing his legacy.


Please, then Pau prevented Kobe from winning more. Anyone can make excuses but your disregard for Game 7, which was a winnable game, not a blowout, makes you an non credible voice on the matter.

5 beats 4 every time... Oh so close to tying Kobe and getting the conversation with the truly great ones aka the 5 and up club.

[Diego20]

kobe has 5. tim only has 4, and he's older

TD will win another ring, Kobe won't.

[Diego20]

Lol, like I give a shit what any Kobetard has to say?

Kobetards & Lebrontards (casual NBA fans) like you don't know shit about basketball so that being said; Duncan's legacy was only tarnished in the eyes of the Kobetards & Lebrontards. You Kobetards were rooting for the Spurs to beat the Heat because you'll were scared that Lebron might surpass Kobe's legacy which I believe will eventually happen. As a matter of fact, I think it has already happened imo. Just look at all the individual accomplishments.

At the same time, the Lebrontards and Kobe himself as a matter fact were also happy that Tim Duncan didn't get his 5th ring because that would of further enhanced the fact that Duncan > Kobe since you Kobetards are ring counters. Since I know that you're going to bring in the ring counting argument let me tell you that championships are team accomplishments. Ring counting is for idiots. Bill Russell has more rings than MJ but that don't make him better than MJ.

Even with Duncan's missed layup, he's still better than Kobe. Duncan is a top 10 all-time player. Kobe is a top 15 all-time player. End of story. Now go back to trolling downstairs or go talk some shit to the Lebrontards at the ESPN boards.

You're a Kobetard. Your username says it all.

BTW: Pop & Manu prevented Duncan from further enhancing his legacy.

Keep saying that, but you know that Duncan would not have 2 of those 4 rings he have (I would say 3 of 4) without Pop and Manu.

BTW: Pop & Manu are smarters than Duncan. And you are not including TP in here, why? You think that he did all good? my god, TDtard

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

He would've won Finals MVP in three different decades if it weren't for Pop. What pisses me off most is not necessarily that Pop screwed Duncan over with his ridiculously stupid decision, but he won't even get close to admitting to it.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Keep saying that, but you know that Duncan would not have 2 of those 4 rings he have (I would say 3 of 4) without Pop and Manu.

BTW: Pop & Manu are smarters than Duncan. And you are not including TP in here, why? You think that he did all good? my god, TDtard

Duncan could've won it with other guys, and Duncan is "smarters" than both Pop and Manu.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

Duncan could've won it with other guys, and Duncan is "smarters" than both Pop and Manu.


Yeah its on Manu and Pop that Tim Duncan didnt make a 2 footer over a small forward.

[kobexxx]

TD will win another ring, Kobe won't.

hahaha

[elmanutres]

Please, then Pau prevented Kobe from winning more. Anyone can make excuses but your disregard for Game 7, which was a winnable game, not a blowout, makes you an non credible voice on the matter.

5 beats 4 every time... Oh so close to tying Kobe and getting the conversation with the truly great ones aka the 5 and up club.
somebody remember this poster to quote this faggot when playoffs are on

[Sean Cagney]

hahaha

LOL so many Aliases in here or Gayker fans with their bullshit... You are one sir.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

LOL so many Aliases in here or Gayker fans with their bullshit... You are one sir.

Wtf are Spurfan doing making gay jokes? :lmao

[Sean Cagney]

Wtf are Spurfan doing making gay jokes? :lmao

Yep because some stupid bitter lady with a pre nup and some National Enquirer type blog is the truth right? You must be as dense as your posts in here so far.... Sad but true.

Then again your team wears PURPLE so.... You should already know what that means :wow:rollin:rollin

[TheGreatYacht]

Please, then Pau prevented Kobe from winning more. Anyone can make excuses but your disregard for Game 7, which was a winnable game, not a blowout, makes you an non credible voice on the matter.

5 beats 4 every time... Oh so close to tying Kobe and getting the conversation with the truly great ones aka the 5 and up club.:lmao Give me a break. Kobe is not even close to being a top 5. Shit he's not even the 5th greatest Laker of all time. Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Shaq, and Jerry West (Mr. Clutch) are all better than.
Yeah its on Manu and Pop that Tim Duncan didnt make a 2 footer over a small forward.Yeah it's mostly on Manu and Pop in Game 6 that Duncan didn't get his 5th ring and his 4th NBA Finals MVP. If Manu would've played average and Pop didn't outcoached himself in Game 6, then Timmy wouldn't have to blame himself for Game 7 unlike those two that refuse to take accountability.

You're such a fucking retard... I mean a Kobetard. You are brainwashed by DisneySPN. Go back downstairs or the BSPN forums

[Ice009]

I'm still angry at Manu and Tony Parker. These guys had a chance to step up and repay Tim for all that he's done for them, and they both couldn't close the deal in game 6 and 7. Tim, at 37, was still able to set it all up for them, and all they had to do was close the game, but they just couldn't return the favor and get it done.

One, or both of them had to step up in crunch time in game 6 or 7, but they just couldn't do it. Tim has to do it all himself (as usual), Kawhi tried his hardest, but Pop didn't utilize him enough earlier in the year so that he could have gotten the ball more and had plays run for him.

What a horrible finish to the season. Poor finish from Manu and TP. I will give TP a pass if he was seriously hampered by injury, but Manu, I'm finding it hard to give any kind of pass. He's been a top 3 favorite player of mine for the last 10 years or so, but man, he just didn't show up when he had to. Sloppy, unfocused performance from him, just wasn't anywhere near as sharp as he needed to be to help the team get it done.

The chink in the armor, to me, was when he was missing free throws in the regular season. I had always rated him as one of the best closing out a game free throw shooters of all time, a guy I'd want to take those free throw with the game on the line, but I should have known that when he was missing free throws during the regular season, it would come back to cost us in the biggest game of the season. It seemed like a focus problem, like he didn't have the same focus that he used to, not sure why, but he just wasn't sharp enough.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm still angry at Manu and Tony Parker. These guys had a chance to step up and repay Tim for all that he's done for them, and they both couldn't close the deal in game 6 and 7. Tim, at 37, was still able to set it all up for them, and all they had to do was close the game, but they just couldn't return the favor and get it done.

One, or both of them had to step up in crunch time in game 6 or 7, but they just couldn't do it. Tim has to do it all himself (as usual), Kawhi tried his hardest, but Pop didn't utilize him enough earlier in the year so that he could have gotten the ball more and had plays run for him.

What a horrible finish to the season. Poor finish from Manu and TP. I will get TP a pass if he was seriously hampered by injury, but Manu, I'm finding it hard to give any kind of pass. He's been a top 3 favorite player of mine for the last 10 years or so, but man, he just didn't show up when he had to. Sloppy, unfocused performance from him, just wasn't anywhere near as sharp as he need to be to help get the team done.

The chink in the armor, to me, was when he was missing free throws in the regular season. I had always rated him as one of the best closing out a game free throw shooters of all time, a guy I'd want to take those free throw with the game on the line, but I should have known that when he was missing free throws during the regular season, it would come back to cost us in the biggest game of the season. It seemed like a focus problem, like he didn't have the same focus that he used to, not sure why, but he just wasn't sharp enough.So am I. I saw some red lights from Manu too during the regular season. He would have like one good performance out of every four games.

I remember my younger brother would cuss at the TV and say "man I hope that fucking old man retires, he can't do shit anymore." Believe it or not, I would actually defend Manu. I would tell my bro "calm down, he just got back from injury."

I had a lot of faith in Manu that if healthy, he would get back to normal. Apparently he proved me wrong. He said it himself during the NBA Finals "I'm fine, I'm healthy." Clearly he wasn't fine mentally or emotionally.

A lot of people won't beleive me but I haven't always been a Manu hater. He pissed me off during the NBA Finals. He really let the whole team down. I used to be proud of him.

[dallasmaverickslose]

So am I. I saw some red lights from Manu too during the regular season. He would have like one good performance out of every four games.

I remember my younger brother would cuss at the TV and say "man I hope that fucking old man retires, he can't do shit anymore." Believe it or not, I would actually defend Manu. I would tell my bro "calm down, he just got back from injury."

I had a lot of faith in Manu that if healthy, he would get back to normal. Apparently he proved me wrong. He said it himself during the NBA Finals "I'm fine, I'm healthy." Clearly he wasn't fine mentally or emotionally.

A lot of people won't beleive me but I haven't always been a Manu hater. He pissed me off during the NBA Finals. He really let the whole team down. I used to be proud of him.

Wah. Wah. Wah. :cry

[Sean Cagney]

I'm still angry at Manu and Tony Parker. These guys had a chance to step up and repay Tim for all that he's done for them, and they both couldn't close the deal in game 6 and 7. Tim, at 37, was still able to set it all up for them, and all they had to do was close the game, but they just couldn't return the favor and get it done.

One, or both of them had to step up in crunch time in game 6 or 7, but they just couldn't do it. Tim has to do it all himself (as usual), Kawhi tried his hardest, but Pop didn't utilize him enough earlier in the year so that he could have gotten the ball more and had plays run for him.

What a horrible finish to the season. Poor finish from Manu and TP. I will give TP a pass if he was seriously hampered by injury, but Manu, I'm finding it hard to give any kind of pass. He's been a top 3 favorite player of mine for the last 10 years or so, but man, he just didn't show up when he had to. Sloppy, unfocused performance from him, just wasn't anywhere near as sharp as he needed to be to help the team get it done.

The chink in the armor, to me, was when he was missing free throws in the regular season. I had always rated him as one of the best closing out a game free throw shooters of all time, a guy I'd want to take those free throw with the game on the line, but I should have known that when he was missing free throws during the regular season, it would come back to cost us in the biggest game of the season. It seemed like a focus problem, like he didn't have the same focus that he used to, not sure why, but he just wasn't sharp enough.

When Manu started missing FT's late in games I knew something was wrong with him man, he used to be ICE from there and hit them all and I wanted the ball in his hands late at all times. Great point there, he started that in the regular season late. I feel he loset his confidence or lacked focus like you said.

[therealtruth]

The chink in the armor, to me, was when he was missing free throws in the regular season. I had always rated him as one of the best closing out a game free throw shooters of all time, a guy I'd want to take those free throw with the game on the line, but I should have known that when he was missing free throws during the regular season, it would come back to cost us in the biggest game of the season. It seemed like a focus problem, like he didn't have the same focus that he used to, not sure why, but he just wasn't sharp enough.

I think this hits the nail on the head that it wasn't a physical problem with Manu. More of a focus problem. He's got to get his focus back.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

:lmao Give me a break. Kobe is not even close to being a top 5. Shit he's not even the 5th greatest Laker of all time. Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Shaq, and Jerry West (Mr. Clutch) are all better than. Yeah it's mostly on Manu and Pop in Game 6 that Duncan didn't get his 5th ring and his 4th NBA Finals MVP. If Manu would've played average and Pop didn't outcoached himself in Game 6, then Timmy wouldn't have to blame himself for Game 7 unlike those two that refuse to take accountability.

You're such a fucking retard... I mean a Kobetard. You are brainwashed by DisneySPN. Go back downstairs or the BSPN forums

That's ok because Jerry, Magic and Shaq all called Kobe the greatest Laker of all time. I can't say some douchebag Tim Duncan semen sucker is exactly the authority on the subject.

Back to Tim Duncan's botched layup on a small forward in Game 7 of the NBA Finals...

You're right! The title was lost in Game 6! There shouldn't even have been a Game 7 and the league should have awarded the Heat the championship right then and there. At least we wouldn't have to hear excuses for Tim Duncan's legacy sealing unclutch play if they had.

[hitmantb]

Pippen has 6 rings to Kobe's 5, but no one is calling him better than Kobe, you know why? Because they don't hand final MVP's and all-time great's to side kick's.

Kobe has won 2 legitimate finals MVP's to Duncan's 3. 1 regular season MVP to Duncan's 2. I will say many consider Duncan to be > Parker in 2007, just that he was generous enough to let Parker pad his stats against an over-matched Cleveland team, and many consider Gasol the finals MVP of the series vs Celtics in 2010. Duncan is too kind but it is what it is.

Sorry rings along doesn't mean anything, unless Kobe wants to admit Pippen is > him. I would rank him in Duncan/Shaq's league for sure, he has one more ring but both Shaq and Duncan each has 1 more final MVP + MVP. They are the top 3 players of their generation but because Shaq/Kobe played together, Duncan individually should be ranked ahead since he did not have an all time great and a much smaller market to work with.

[Ice009]

At least we wouldn't have to hear excuses for Tim Duncan's legacy sealing unclutch play if they had.

Tim missed that one and it will haunt him for a long time, but overall, Tim Duncan is one of the most clutch big men of all time. That's what separates Tim from other great big men. He's one of the most clutch of all time, usually, it's guards and forwards who make most of the clutch plays, but as far as bigs go, most suck in crunch time. Tim may have missed that one, and it was a big one, but overall he's come up big more times that not.

Apart from Dirk, can anyone name big men that were clutch in crunch time?

Karl Malone - DEFINITELY NOT CLUTCH (That's why I will never say he is in the conversation for best PF ever)
Webber - Awful. I think everyone knows the Michigan incident?
Shaq - best to pass the ball to Kobe or Wade in tight games
Olajuwon - Not great in crunch time, but not horrid. Rockets fans will have to correct me on that.
D-Rob - Not clutch
Ewing - Forget about it
KG - Hot Potato, pass the ball to someone else for most of his career with the game on the line. That's why McHale said he traded him, couldn't give him the ball with 5 minutes to go and have him win the game for you like a Tim Duncan could.
Wilt - Not clutch from what I am told
Bill Russell - I assume he didn't have the ball much as he was more of a defensive player, and also had those all-star guards to give to ball to.
Kareem - Not sure, Lakers fans will have to chime in.
Barkley - Not sure, as I wasn't a fan. I assume he was clutch the one season they made the finals, but overall probably not (since they choked series that they should have won after that).

If you want to consider Lebron a PF, then you could even add him to the list, as he's been mediocre most of his career in crunch time too.

To close, as previously mentioned, there never should have been a game 6, Tim's guards let him down. You can now go crawl back into Kobe's 5 ring asshole.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

Tim missed that one and it will haunt him for a long time, but overall, Tim Duncan is one of the most clutch big men of all time. That's what separates Tim from other great big men. He's one of the most clutch of all time, usually, it's guards and forwards who make most of the clutch plays, but as far as bigs go, most suck in crunch time. Tim may have missed that one, and it was a big one, but overall he's come up big more times that not.

Apart from Dirk, can anyone name big men that were clutch in crunch time?

Karl Malone - DEFINITELY NOT CLUTCH (That's why I will never say he is in the conversation for best PF ever)
Webber - Awful. I think everyone knows the Michigan incident?
Shaq - best to pass the ball to Kobe or Wade in tight games
Olajuwon - Not great in crunch time, but not horrid. Rockets fans will have to correct me on that.
D-Rob - Not clutch
Ewing - Forget about it
KG - Hot Potato, pass the ball to someone else for most of his career with the game on the line. That's why McHale said he traded him, couldn't give him the ball with 5 minutes to go and have him win the game for you like a Tim Duncan could.
Wilt - Not clutch from what I am told
Bill Russell - I assume he didn't have the ball much as he was more of a defensive player, and also had those all-star guards to give to ball to.
Kareem - Not sure, Lakers fans will have to chime in.
Barkley - Not sure, as I wasn't a fan. I assume he was clutch the one season they made the finals, but overall probably not (since they choked series that they should have won after that).

If you want to consider Lebron a PF, then you could even add him to the list, as he's been mediocre most of his career in crunch time too.

To close, as previously mentioned, there never should have been a game 6, Tim's guards let him down. You can now go crawl back into Kobe's 5 ring asshole.


You forgot to add Tim Duncan in the unclutch category. He botched the biggest shot of his little engine that could career over a shrimp defender no less sealing his fate as a 2nd rate superstar. Nothing wrong with being 11-12 all time though, that's a big accomplishment for such a small market.

[TheGreatYacht]

You forgot to add Tim Duncan in the unclutch category. He botched the biggest shot of his little engine that could career over a shrimp defender no less sealing his fate as a 2nd rate superstar. Nothing wrong with being 11-12 all time though, that's a big accomplishment for such a small market.Hey Kobetard, check out these facts before you open your mouth.



With the game on the line

Trailing by one or two points, or tied, in the final 24 seconds of regular-season and playoff games since 1996-97, with a minimum of 30 shots. From Alok Pattani of ESPN Stats & Information.




Player

Makes

Attempts

FG%



Carmelo Anthony

21

44

47.7



Chris Paul

14

31

45.2



Shawn Marion

12

30

40



Brandon Roy

12

30

40



Hedo Turkoglu

12

30

40



Rashard Lewis

18

46

39.1



Glenn Robinson

14

36

38.9



Deron Williams

14

36

38.9



Mike Bibby

15

39

38.5



Dirk Nowitzki

25

65

38.5



Jalen Rose

12

32

37.5



Tim Duncan

23

62

37.1



Eddie Jones

13

36

36.1



Karl Malone

11

31

35.5



Ben Gordon

17

49

34.7



Chris Webber

18

52

34.6



Raymond Felton

12

36

33.3



LeBron James

23

69

33.3



Ray Allen

23

70

32.9



Gilbert Arenas

13

40

32.5



Vince Carter

31

96

32.3



Steve Francis

14

44

31.8



Damon Stoudamire

12

38

31.6



Nick Van Exel

16

51

31.4



Kobe Bryant

36

115

31.3



Jason Terry

14

45

31.1



Allen Iverson

21

68

30.9



Kevin Garnett

22

72

30.6



Ron Artest

9

30

30



Allan Houston

12

41

29.3



Entire league

2038

6861

29.7




http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

Hey Kobetard, check out these facts before you open your mouth.



With the game on the line

Trailing by one or two points, or tied, in the final 24 seconds of regular-season and playoff games since 1996-97, with a minimum of 30 shots. From Alok Pattani of ESPN Stats & Information.




Player
Makes
Attempts
FG%


Carmelo Anthony
21
44
47.7


Chris Paul
14
31
45.2


Shawn Marion
12
30
40


Brandon Roy
12
30
40


Hedo Turkoglu
12
30
40


Rashard Lewis
18
46
39.1


Glenn Robinson
14
36
38.9


Deron Williams
14
36
38.9


Mike Bibby
15
39
38.5


Dirk Nowitzki
25
65
38.5


Jalen Rose
12
32
37.5


Tim Duncan
23
62
37.1


Eddie Jones
13
36
36.1


Karl Malone
11
31
35.5


Ben Gordon
17
49
34.7


Chris Webber
18
52
34.6


Raymond Felton
12
36
33.3


LeBron James
23
69
33.3


Ray Allen
23
70
32.9


Gilbert Arenas
13
40
32.5


Vince Carter
31
96
32.3


Steve Francis
14
44
31.8


Damon Stoudamire
12
38
31.6


Nick Van Exel
16
51
31.4


Kobe Bryant
36
115
31.3


Jason Terry
14
45
31.1


Allen Iverson
21
68
30.9


Kevin Garnett
22
72
30.6


Ron Artest
9
30
30


Allan Houston
12
41
29.3


Entire league
2038
6861
29.7



http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time


Which is proof postive that stat worship is for clipboard holding faggots.

I just watched Tim Duncan miss the most important shot of his career in the biggest game of his career, lol. That's not clutch. So keep posting irrelevant regular season catalogue of numbers based on arbitrary parameters on your Duncan worship site to mask the fact that your hero isn't as legendary as ya'll thought.

Don't worry, the objective basketball fans took note.

[TheGreatYacht]

Which is proof postive that stat worship is for clipboard holding faggots.

I just watched Tim Duncan miss the most important shot of his career in the biggest game of his career, lol. That's not clutch. So keep posting irrelevant regular season catalogue of numbers based on arbitrary parameters on your Duncan worship site to mask the fact that your hero isn't as legendary as ya'll thought.

Don't worry, the objective basketball fans took note.:lmao @ a classical Kobetard that ignores facts. :lol @ a Kobetard calling himself objective. Go downstairs or go back to the ESPN boards you shithead.

[Ice009]

You forgot to add Tim Duncan in the unclutch category. He botched the biggest shot of his little engine that could career over a shrimp defender no less sealing his fate as a 2nd rate superstar. Nothing wrong with being 11-12 all time though, that's a big accomplishment for such a small market.

LOL, what a pathetic response.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

:lmao @ a classical Kobetard that ignores facts. :lol @ a Kobetard calling himself objective. Go downstairs or go back to the ESPN boards you shithead.

The fact that he botched a layup in game 7 of the finals? :lmao