Hockey Stick vs. Ice Core Data

[DarrinS]

Puts things into perspective


DFbUVBYIPlI

[“bright and shiny”]

Ice Cores have been proven wrong.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/kennedy2006-fig.gif

[Yonivore]

Ice Cores have been proven wrong.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/kennedy2006-fig.gif
So have models and the assumptions plugged into them.

What's your point? The planet is cooling -- not warming. The whole global climate change religion is a sham.

[“bright and shiny”]

By mouse: The greatest debater at ST!

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: Quick creationists! Come up with something!
The lies Evolutionist's spread everyday!

Ancient Ice

http://www.detectingdesign.com/images/AncientIce/Ice%20Layers%202.jpg

Most scientists today believe that various places on this planet, such as Greenland, the Antarctic, and many other places, have some very old ice. The ice in these areas appears to be layered in a very distinctive annual pattern. In fact, this pattern is both visually and chemically recognizable and extends downward some 4,000 to 5,000 meters. What happens is that as the snow from a previous year is buried under a new layer of snow, it is compacted over time with the weight of each additional layer of snow above it. This compacted snow is called the “firn” layer. After several meters this layers snowy firn turns into layers of solid ice (note that 30cm of compacted snow compresses further into about 10cm of ice). These layers are much thinner on the Antarctic ice cap as compared to the Greenland ice cap since Antarctica averages only 5cm of "water equivalent" per year while Greenland averages over 50cm of water equivalent. 1,2 since these layers get even thinner as they are buried under more and more snow and ice, due to compression and lateral flow (see diagram), the thinner layers of the Antarctic ice cap become much harder to count than those of the Greenland ice cap at an equivalent depth. So, scientists feel that most accurate historical information comes from Greenland, although much older ice comes from other drier places. Still, the ice cores drilled in the Greenland ice cap, such as the American Greenland Ice Sheet Project (GISP2) and the European Greenland Ice Core Project (GRIP), are felt to be very old indeed - upwards of 160,000 years old.

http://www.detectingdesign.com/images/AncientIce/ancien4.jpg

http://www.emporia.edu/earthsci/student/tinsley1/drilling.jpg

http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/oceanography-book/Images/kennedy%282006%29-fig.gif

http://www2.cnrs.fr/sites/en/image/1998d00646hd.jpg


Like the coelacanth fish from the previous page. This is another claim made that has been proven wrong. The assumption was that for every light and dark area found in ice, in either the north or south pole. Would represent 1 passing year. And because science has basically cornered the market of doing ice core drills. They figured no one would ever prove them wrong. They basically made this statement about the different colors found in ice cores, without really testing it to make sure. So it was a guess based on a theory (evolution, and the time required for it to happen) that they wanted to support. A theory that was starving for supporting evidence. So evolutionists stuck their foot in their mouth on this one, and are unwilling to admit their mistake. And this mistake is still being taught in every science-evolutionist class in both high school, and college. It is even in the school text books.

Just like the Ernest Haeckel fraud , which by the way will be reprinted and taught again (what next, Piltdown man?). Science refuses to remove the information, unless someone makes them. And like the Stanley Miller experiment. The problems are not mentioned, so that the theory of evolution can for the most part, always go unchallenged.






Just in case some of you still are in the dark scientist claim the layers of each core show how many years the ice is and the rings are solid proof the earth is Billions of years old.

You see these shows on the Discovery channel all the time.

Now for the truth.

BTW The next sound you may hear is the sound of ass cheeks puckering up as the Evolutionist's in this forum know what's coming next..... as I expose this retarded theory they love to teach the children in the classrooms.

http://yecheadquarters.org/images/creation/Slide513_ice_cores.jpg

At first glance you have no reason to doubt the scientist after all how many of you dig in the polar caps for ice? We must take their words as gospel, truth,and facts. what choice do we have?

You do have a choice now. You see in 1941 a plane was lost and 48 years later is was found , are you ready?......................

Under 263 feet of ice! which by the way kills any bullshit Ice core method of dating how old the earth is. So much for your ice ring lies Pat-Na!

I give you ........................

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/aaaaa.jpg

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[Sec24Row7]

Ice core method to determine how old the earth is?

ROFL... no one uses ice cores to determine billions of years of data... the earth hasn't had ice caps for a whole lot of it's history... how the hell could you age it with ice that didn't exist?

[I am Tom]

Remember your talking to people who think they evolved from a fish.

[Wild Cobra]

Ice Cores have been proven wrong.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/kennedy2006-fig.gif

Mouse, we have been through tis before. Just because you now use a different name doesn't mean I'm going to repeat my self, except for this:

You are wrong.

[Blue Jew]

Mouse, we have been through tis before. Just because you now use a different name doesn't mean I'm going to repeat my self, except for this:

You are wrong.

Good to see you use the same screen name to keep proving how close minded you are! :tu

[spursncowboys]

This has been covered three times atleast in the last four months. All of the information WC put out has not been refuted.

[sabar]

Where does one begin with mouse?

No one dates the earth with ice cores. For one, there was no ice on the molten proto-Earth. Secondly, that non-existent core would require a drill of an ungodly length. Thirdly, your image source is blatant propaganda. Lastly, no one is arguing the age of the earth or evolution or cares about it.

There are no credible sources on any search engine about "ice core controversy" that are not Christian-centric or young-Earth affiliated.

[Fat boy]

This has been covered three times atleast in the last four months. All of the information WC put out has not been refuted.


Along with Sarah Palin, Bush, Abortions.........whats your point?

[Blue Jew]

Where does one begin with mouse?

By not talking out your ass for starters.


No one dates the earth with ice cores.Then why say "this ice layer is from 6000 BC"? Why say any year? Why have ice cores unless your making ice tea or your just going to look at them melt? Evey time they show a scientist pull out an ice core from the frozen laboratory they say "This one core will show us the earths atmosphere back in 1812" ? Do you not have cable Tv, do you not watch any discovery shows?





Secondly, that non-existent core would require a drill of an ungodly length. kinda like drilling for oil?


Thirdly, your image source is blatant propaganda. Lastly, no one is arguing the age of the earth or evolution or cares about it.People who post in forums that love to debate the subject, and a few igmo's who show up to waste time telling us who cares.


There are no credible sources on any search engine about "ice core controversy" that are not Christian-centric or young-Earth affiliated.So because Google couldn't help you this time it does not exist?
Do you depend on search engines 24'7?

Scientist lie to people and by you supporting them tells us all we need to know about your agendas. Don't be a hater because Mouse stands up to them. One day when you are able to think for yourself you may see the big picture.

[Blue Jew]

your image source is blatant propaganda..

Link?

and the talking out your ass was directed to many posters not at you!

at least not yet! :toast

[Wild Cobra]

Along with Sarah Palin, Bush, Abortions.........whats your point?
Let's get one thing strait please.

Politics is much about person opinion.

Science is dealing with facts.

I'll deal with others saying I am wrong well enough with political things, but if you say I'm wrong with science, you better be prepared to back it up.

[Yonivore]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz010809dAPR20100108020706.jpg

[spursncowboys]

Along with Sarah Palin, Bush, Abortions.........whats your point?

Not the subject, the data.

[Blue Jew]

Let's get one thing strait please.

Politics is much about person opinion.

then why talk about ice cores and evolution in this forum? The point was you can't tell people what to post in this forum or tell them not bring something up that has already been brought up. That is the point about the abortions,Bush, Sarah Palin topics, they are always the same and seem to be popping up daily. How can you have a forum and only talk about new things that happen, then we would all just be sitting here waiting for something new to happen and what if nothing new happens we just all stare at are monitors?

And what about new posters to the forum are they supposed to search every thought they have for a topic or reply and make sure no one has discussed it? I think the real reason you guys want to "Move on" as you call it is because your not able to properly answer the tough questions and you just want to go in a direction that fits your needs rather than hash it out like a real man.




Science is dealing with facts.

So your saying it's a fact man evolved from the ape? Are you saying it's a fact. are you saying There are 9 planets in our solar system?


I'm wrong with science, you better be prepared to back it up.

New information: We have at least 10 planets

Far out! Astronomers discover 10th planet
2000 EB173 orbits sun between Neptune, Pluto
http://www.freep.com/news/nw/orbit26_20001026.htm

Or maybe, we have only 8 ---

“ Planetary scientists at Caltech have discovered a spherical body in
the outskirts of the solar system. The object circles the sun every
288 years, is half the size of Pluto, and is larger than all of the
objects in the asteroid belt combined.

"Quaoar definitely hurts the case for Pluto being a planet," says
Caltech planetary science associate professor Mike Brown. "If Pluto
were discovered today, no one would even consider calling it a planet
because it's clearly a Kuiper belt object."”

Caltech Astronomers Discover Quaoar, a Planet-Sized Object in the
Solar System
http://atcaltech.caltech.edu/tech-today/subpage.tcl?story_id=5881



Science is dealing with facts.
There are 30 orders of insects


I'm wrong with science, you better be prepared to back it up.

New fact: Now there are 31

“For the first time in 87 years, researchers have discovered an insect
that constitutes a new order of insects. Dubbed "the gladiator" (for
the recent movie), it lives in the Brandberg Mountains of Namibia, on
the west coast of Southern Africa.”

New Insect Order Found in Southern Africa
Bijal P. Trivedi
National Geographic Today
March 28, 2002
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/03/0328_0328_TVstickinsect.html


Science is dealing with facts.

Humans evolved directly from tree dwelling apes



I'm wrong with science, you better be prepared to back it up.


New information – more likely from ground dwelling apes

"Our study demonstrates that our earliest ancestors did not simply
come down from the trees. Rather, they evolved from an ape already
adapted to life on the ground."

THE HAND BONE'S CONNECTED TO THE WRIST BONE...
http://www.archaeology.org/magazine.php?page=online/news/knuckles

there are many others shall I go on?

:wakeup

[lint]

I just Google'd Science and wrong and my browser froze from all the hits. I wouldn't claim science is never wrong unless you want a real ass waxing.

[Shastafarian]

First let me say how hilarious it is that mouse is such a loser he has to create all these aliases just so he can agree with himself. Get a life dude. Now onto the idiocy!



And what about new posters to the forum are they supposed to search every thought they have for a topic or reply and make sure no one has discussed it? I think the real reason you guys want to "Move on" as you call it is because your not able to properly answer the tough questions and you just want to go in a direction that fits your needs rather than hash it out like a real man.Some people choose to say "we've already discussed this" and some choose to ignore any evidence provided that refutes their idiotic comments. You fall into the latter of those two.




So your saying it's a fact man evolved from the ape?It is scientific theory. If you can tell me the correct difference between scientific fact, theory, and law I'll give you a cookie (though we both know you could stand to lose a few pounds).


Are you saying it's a fact. are you saying There are 9 planets in our solar system?:lol Comparing theories and silly nomenclature.




New information: We have at least 10 planets

Far out! Astronomers discover 10th planet
2000 EB173 orbits sun between Neptune, Pluto
http://www.freep.com/news/nw/orbit26_20001026.htmNo we don't.


Or maybe, we have only 8 ---

“ Planetary scientists at Caltech have discovered a spherical body in
the outskirts of the solar system. The object circles the sun every
288 years, is half the size of Pluto, and is larger than all of the
objects in the asteroid belt combined.

"Quaoar definitely hurts the case for Pluto being a planet," says
Caltech planetary science associate professor Mike Brown. "If Pluto
were discovered today, no one would even consider calling it a planet
because it's clearly a Kuiper belt object."”There are many objects in the Kuiper Belt that could be considered "planets" if we use the standards used to classify Pluto as a planet. There isn't much debate on the science behind naming objects planets or not. The debate comes from nostalgia.



There are 30 orders of insects



New fact: Now there are 31

“For the first time in 87 years, researchers have discovered an insect
that constitutes a new order of insects. Dubbed "the gladiator" (for
the recent movie), it lives in the Brandberg Mountains of Namibia, on
the west coast of Southern Africa.”

New Insect Order Found in Southern Africa
Bijal P. Trivedi
National Geographic Today
March 28, 2002
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/03/0328_0328_TVstickinsect.htmlWhat's your point? Are you again trying to compare scientific theory with naming systems? I know you're an idiot but are you really that dumb? Maybe you're just trolling.




Humans evolved directly from tree dwelling apesDefine directly please.




New information – more likely from ground dwelling apes

"Our study demonstrates that our earliest ancestors did not simply
come down from the trees. Rather, they evolved from an ape already
adapted to life on the ground."Is there a point to this? Evolution is a slow progression. Our ancestors did come out of the trees at one time. Our most recent ancestors were ground dwellers.



there are many others shall I go on?

Please do. But first respond to this post with more than just "you're just close minded" or by changing the subject to ice core data or you being a huge fucking loser.

[Yonivore]

The mini ice age starts here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html)


The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.
I wonder if these are some of the same eminent climate scientists that were pimping global warming for the IPCC.

Apparently, there's a disturbance in the Enviroreligion Force. Darth Gore must be fuming.

[SouthernFried]

It's illegal to say the earth is cooling, not warming...without first explaining that the earth might be cooling, because of the warming.

It's also illegal to say man is not causing either, or both.

These are the new scientific laws of today...and it's not up for scientific analysis.

This is the law.

...and you must now pay those making the laws.

sig

[Blue Jew]

First let me say how hilarious it is that mouse is such a loser he has to create all these aliases just so he can agree with himself. Get a life dude. Now onto the idiocy!



LJ has over 4 screen names you calling him a loser also? Why does it bother you what screen names people use when your going to get your ass waxed anyway?

Learn to debate without your school yard insults and you may get me to reply to you.

[Shastafarian]

LJ has over 4 screen names you calling him a loser also? Why does it bother you what screen names people use when your going to get your ass waxed anyway?

Learn to debate without your school yard insults and you may get me to reply to you.

Thought so. Thanks for playing.

[Blue Jew]

LJ has over 4 screen names you calling him a loser also?.

waiting...........

[Shastafarian]

waiting...........

Sorry I don't reply to people unless they reply to my posts first. I know you have zero actual knowledge on the subject and need blogs to tell you what to think so I'm not gonna hold my breath.

[Blue Jew]

Sorry I don't reply to people unless they reply to my posts first.

Is that your rendition of "I know what you are, but what am I"?

Trust me I try not to debate with people who are not old enough to buy beer second, your avatar tells me a lot about your personality, It reminds me of what I used to find on my sons book covers back when he was in the 6th grade. By you not answering a simple question tells me what I need to know. It's like asking someone if they think they are gay, if they need to think about it longer than 5 seconds they're Gay.

But you accomplished your goal, you hijacked the topic and got your daily 15 minutes of fame, good job! :tu



I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Kinda hard to do when your choking.

[Shastafarian]

Is that your rendition of "I know what you are, but what am I"?No it's my rendition of "I'm not going to let you weasel your way out of answering my questions".


Trust me I try not to debate with people who are not old enough to buy beer second,Is this your rendition of "I don't know jack shit about this beyond what blogs tell me"? You don't have to answer because everyone already knows the answer.

your avatar tells me a lot about your personality,:lmao Coming from you this is beyond hilarious. You realize you're still signed in under Blue Jew right?

It reminds me of what I used to find on my sons book covers back when he was in the 6th grade. Your son had photoshopped images of men with bananas in their mouths? Sounds like he takes after dad.

By you not answering a simple question tells me what I need to know. Um, I can say the same thing until you respond to my original post. I know you won't because your blogs don't have the answers.

It's like asking someone if they think they are gay, if they need to think about it longer than 5 seconds they're Gay.I guess you know this from experience with your son.


But you accomplished your goal, you hijacked the topic and got your daily 15 minutes of fame, good job! :tuI'm pretty sure YOU hijacked the topic with the second post in this thread.





Kinda hard to do when your choking.

I'll keep bumping this until you respond to my original post. I have a feeling I'm gonna be bumping it for a very long time. Maybe you can e-mail the people who run these blogs and ask them to try and answer for you. Good luck!

How about this. I'll answer your question with a "no". Now you have to respond to my post.

waiting...

[DizzG.]

Shastafarian for the win! :toast

[Shastafarian]

:lol Go ahead and run away mouse.

[symple19]

lol

[Blue Jew]

I must say I am semi impressed. You managed to make a post w/o resorting to comments like
you being a huge fucking loser.

and this.....

mouse is such a loser Get a life dude.

even though you showed your immature side I still have to give props where they need to be given. Now with that said will I debate with you? I am still on the fence.

Now i have to walk on eggshells I wouldn't want to pull out the debate smack bat on your ass you may resort to calling me a TRoll or God forbid you share this earth shattering news that i have more than one screen name.

Just a heads up multiple screen name smack is not fresh, that shit went out in 1999, that is like you posting a link to rotten.com it's outdated and shows your new to the www. It also shows you having to resort to anything you can get your hands on instead of the topic at hand. I was fine debating a subject with Captain Crunch or Ducks. The screen name does not effect how I answer a question.

And if you think an avatar with a person sucking on a banana is fresh then that's your right. more power to you.

As for why i posted links to a blog? If you read the topic from the start you will see how people ask where did you read this? where did you see that? How did you get that quote? where did you get that quote? so i just provided it to them in case they want to see for themselves I am not alone on my views on a particular subject.

Another thing, If you notice my Ice core post it was to demonstrate how Ice core drilling is being misused and is a way to lie to people. So when i see people being lied to sometimes I get involved, that doesn't mean I want to talk about global warming or I went to MIT and mastered the subject like you did.

I just don't like people claiming they have proof of something that has been proven wrong. that goes for Evolution, the age of the earth, and Ice core dating.

Besides you seem to be one of those posters that gets off on making a point and then giving yourself a high five. you live for the "BooYaa!" moments. Your out to score a touchdown, you want to P3own someone. Well i don't debate with those type of posters, but i may interact with some comments i see that I don't agree with provided I have beer in the fridge. So in case you don't see me around stop by Wednesday when I have a few cold ones and call into the ESPN Zone show i like to get on line and i may break out some shit that will blow your mind.

[Shastafarian]

even though you showed your immature side I still have to give props where they need to be given. Now with that said will I debate with you? I am still on the fence.Of course you are. Gotta give those bloggers time to research my post.


Now i have to walk on eggshells I wouldn't want to pull out the debate smack bat on your ass you may resort to calling me a TRoll or God forbid you share this earth shattering news that i have more than one screen name.Keep stalling. It's cool.


Just a heads up multiple screen name smack is not fresh, that shit went out in 1999,It's not that you have so many, though that is mildly funny. It's that you use them to agree with yourself. You must have astronomically low self esteem.



And if you think an avatar with a person sucking on a banana is fresh then that's your right. more power to you.Did I offend your Mavs fan persona? Poor baby.


As for why i posted links to a blog? If you read the topic from the start you will see how people ask where did you read this? where did you see that? How did you get that quote? where did you get that quote? so i just provided it to them in case they want to see for themselves I am not alone on my views on a particular subject.Not in this topic. The only post before yours was this:


So have models and the assumptions plugged into them.

What's your point? The planet is cooling -- not warming. The whole global climate change religion is a sham.Shockingly you responded with an article you have posted no less than 3 times already.


Another thing, If you notice my Ice core post it was to demonstrate how Ice core drilling is being misused and is a way to lie to people. So when i see people being lied to sometimes I get involved, that doesn't mean I want to talk about global warming or I went to MIT and mastered the subject like you did.:lol So you're stopping people from being lied to yet you can't form your own words to tell us how they're being lied to. Again, you let blogs tell you what to think/say/do.


I just don't like people claiming they have proof of something that has been proven wrong. that goes for Evolution, the age of the earth, and Ice core dating.Show me where evolution and the age of the earth have been proven "wrong".


Besides you seem to be one of those posters that gets off on making a point and then giving yourself a high five. you live for the "BooYaa!" moments. Your out to score a touchdown, you want to P3own someone. Well i don't debate with those type of posters,Because you know you don't stand a chance at debating them. Why? Because you never know anything regarding the subject of debate.

but i may interact with some comments i see that I don't agree with provided I have beer in the fridge. So in case you don't see me around stop by Wednesday when I have a few cold ones and call into the ESPN Zone show i like to get on line and i may break out some shit that will blow your mind.OOOOOOO you're on an ESPN show? O-M-G. Can I be your friend now you famous person you?

[Blue Jew]

I can see you learned nothing from this experience, I really had high hopes for you and unfortunately... I must take back my props.

[Alex Jones]

Now that meth head Shastafarian has left can we get back to the original topic?
(http://spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7159)

[Wild Cobra]

The mini ice age starts here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html)


I wonder if these are some of the same eminent climate scientists that were pimping global warming for the IPCC.

Apparently, there's a disturbance in the Enviroreligion Force. Darth Gore must be fuming.
All I can say is "Thank God for Global warming, or else it would really be cold!"

[Shastafarian]

I can see you learned nothing from this experience, I really had high hopes for you and unfortunately... I must take back my props.

Darn. Til next time mouse. :toast

[Blue Jew]

Darn. Til next time mouse. :toast

You have a face book page?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Woopsie (http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmRiMjU3YjAxNTNlNDljNTM2YTY4YjExMWUyMDMwYTM=)

[Winehole23]

http://www.canadiandesignresource.ca/officialgallery/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hockey-stick.jpg