Video: 8 Clips of Obama Promising Televised Healthcare Negotiations

[spursncowboys]

http://www.breitbart.tv/the-c-span-lie-did-obama-really-promise-televised-healthcare-negotiations/

[clambake]

whats the problem?

[Barry O'Bama]

whats the problem?

The head of C-SPAN has implored Congress to open up the last leg of health care reform negotiations to the public, as top Democrats lay plans to hash out the final product among themselves.
C-SPAN CEO Brian Lamb wrote to leaders in the House and Senate Dec. 30 urging them to open "all important negotiations, including any conference committee meetings," to televised coverage on his network.
"The C-SPAN networks will commit the necessary resources to covering all of the sessions LIVE and in their entirety," he wrote.
In a Tuesday afternoon press conference on health legislation negotiations, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi appeared to object to the premise behind the request.
"There has never been a more open process for any legislation in anyone who’s served here’s experience," she said.
However, Republican leaders sided with C-SPAN's calls for transparency.
"As House Republican leader, I can confidently state that all House Republicans strongly endorse your proposal and stand ready to work with you to make it a reality," Minority Leader John Boehner wrote in response to the letter. "Hard-working families won't stand for having the future of their health care decided behind closed doors. These secret deliberations are a breeding ground for more of the kickbacks, shady deals and special-interest provisions that have become business as usual in Washington."
Democratic leaders could bypass the traditional conference committee process, in which lawmakers from both parties and chambers meet to reconcile differences between the House and Senate versions of a bill. Top Democrats in the House, Senate and White House were meeting Tuesday evening to figure out the final product in three-way talks before sending it back to both chambers for a final vote.
"We don't even know yet whether there's going to be a conference," Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen said responding to a question about the C-SPAN request. "It's not clear whether or not that's going to happen yet."
This format would seem ideal for closed-door meetings, which congressional Democrats have used many times to figure out sensitive provisions in the health care bill -- though President Obama pledged during the campaign to open up health care talks to C-SPAN's cameras.
"That's what I will do in bringing all parties together, not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together, and broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are," Obama said at a debate against Hillary Clinton in Los Angeles on Jan. 31, 2008.
Asked about the request to Congress, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said he hadn't seen the letter.
"I know the president is going to begin discussions today on health care to iron out differences between the House and Senate bills," he said.
Lamb urged Congress in his letter to fling open the doors in the final stretch of the negotiations.
"President Obama, Senate and House leaders, many of your rank-and-file members, and the nation's editorial pages have all talked about the value of transparent discussions on reforming the nation's health care system," he wrote. "Now that the process moves to the critical stage of reconciliation between the chambers, we respectfully request that you allow the public full access, through television, to legislation that will affect the lives of every single American."
Lamb said his network would use "the latest technology" to be "as unobtrusive as possible" during the talks.

[jack sommerset]

Obama has lied his ass off and the lefty dems don't give a shit. It's pathetic. The dems will lose a shitload of seats in 2010 because hard working Americans care. Obama will not win re-election. The dems will lose enough seats so we are not held hostage by Obama and his clan on all the BULLSHIT he is pulling.

Say what you want about ANY President. Compare Obama to any of them. It does not matter anymore. This cat lies all the freaken time. It's not even a question anymore. It's a nightmare. Americans donot want a liar as the President. He is done. Make all your excuses you want. Make all the arguments you want. The guy is done. All we can hope for is we can fix what this liar broke. The goal for Americans is to get rid of Obama. It starts with the 2010 elections. It will happen.

[clambake]

he changed his mind.

he can do that.

he's the "decider" now.

[jack sommerset]

he changed his mind.

he can do that.

he's the "decider" now.

So have the voters. Obama the liar is out.

[ChumpDumper]

I know all of you board Republicans were going to Tivo the entire thing, just like you wanted to read the entire bill.

[clambake]

So have the voters. Obama the liar is out.

howd they vote, jack?

[jack sommerset]

I know all of you board Republicans were going to Tivo the entire thing, just like you wanted to read the entire bill.

Thats how you justify Obama lying. Never take on the topic. Classic Chumpy.

[BacktoBasics]

Presidents lie

Obama lied

The sky is blue

The next Repub cock sucking prick will do the same

Water is wet

[Winehole23]

In the one area where Obama promised transparency, he did not deliver it. He must have known the political process is allergic to sunlight when he said it. Politicians lie to get elected. More at 10 o' clock.

[DarkReign]

Presidents lie

Obama lied

The sky is blue

The next Repub cock sucking prick will do the same

Water is wet


In the one area where Obama promised transparency, he did not deliver it. He must have known the political process is allergic to sunlight when he said it. Politicians lie to get elected. More at 10 o' clock.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The bills have been voted on in public. The negotiations between the house and senate will come to light once the bills have been combined.. so what's the problem?

oh wait the resident dead enders are feigning outrage again..

[Winehole23]

The negotiations between the house and senate will come to light once the bills have been combined..Seeing the results only after negotiations have concluded when we were promised real time access to deliberations, disappoints.

So does your shameless apology for the smoke-filled room.

Weak.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Seeing the results only after negotiations have concluded when we were promised real time access to deliberations, disappoints.

So does your shameless apology for the smoke-filled room.

Weak.

so you acknowledge that we will know what the final product is. what part of the deliberations specifically would you like to be privy to? or do you want to watch on cspan the senate and congressional representatives sitting at a conference table? Is it the appearance of accessibility you want honored? Or do you want to know word for word what is said?

[Winehole23]

so you acknowledge that we will know what the final product is.All laws enter the public record. Did someone deny this? If not, why are you crowing about this commonplace?


or do you want to watch on cspan the senate and congressional representatives sitting at a conference table? Is it the appearance of accessibility want honored?Mr. Obama promised it did he not?

[DarkReign]

Mr. Obama promised it did he not?

Undeniably.

[George Gervin's Afro]

All laws enter the public record. Did someone deny this? If not, why are you crowing about this commonplace?

Mr. Obama promised it did he not?

the healthcare reform debate has been in the public view for the last year. he stated in the vidoeo that he thought the clintons failed because they came up with the legislation behind closed doors. So what I'm trying to figure out is what the democrat negotiations will provide us when we already know what they are working with. they are debating two well known pieces of legislation. hence why I mentioned we will know what the results are after they compromise. there is nothing in these negotiations that will surprise anyone.


hence the feigned outrage.



my point is the debate has been very public for the better part of the year and met that part of the bargain.

[Winehole23]

In your mind then, Mr. Obama kept his promise?

[George Gervin's Afro]

In your mind then, Mr. Obama kept his promise?

I don't pretend to know what people's intentions are. When he referred to the negotiations to be televised. Was he referring to the actual debating of the bills (which didnt happen under clinton)? Or was he referring to the conference between Congress and the Senate being televised? I don't know exactly but most people, including yourself, assign motives and then run with it.. I guess you took from he said that he was talking about the conferecing after the bills had been passed. Were the negotiations for the reform bills between the GOP and the Dems play out in public? I'd have to say yes they were. He did keep the promise that the debating and crafting of the bills were going to be public.

Of course I don't make it a habit to look up a soundbite from 2 yrs ago and then try and apply it to now..but that's just me.

[jack sommerset]

In the one area where Obama promised transparency, he did not deliver it. He must have known the political process is allergic to sunlight when he said it. Politicians lie to get elected. More at 10 o' clock.

It's not as black and white as some of you want it to be. What you just said is one of the major reasons he was elected. Turns out he lied about it and continues to lie about it. He was suppose to be different. He is worse! This was his platform. Open and honest. Everyday it's in your face without explanation. He has a long list of lies which have been well documented. I never saw a man lie as much as he has and does, let alone a President.

This C-Span lie is just catching sail thoughout America. It's been out there for a long time but now more media outlets are covering it. I guess they figure he had enough time to make do on this "promise". C-Span is questioning it. This is a in your face lie. More media coverage are to come on his lies as the elections get closer.

The two wars we are still in will be HUGE come election time. Repugs were voted out of office the last 4 years or could not get elected because of war. It was the number one reason dems took the House, Senate and Presidency. Pull out if the repugs were wrong. It's that easy.

"war over, come on home"

Instead you hear

"fight over there so we don't have to fight here"

Sounds familiar. It's crazy how some people ignore this. Thank goodness all people don't ignore it.

The guy is a fuck up. Nothing anyone can do about Obama now but come November.........

People should demand more from elected officials instead of accepting they lie. It's pathetic.

[George Gervin's Afro]

It's not as black and white as some of you want it to be. What you just said is one of the major reasons he was elected. Turns out he lied about it and continues to lie about it. He was suppose to be different. He is worse! This was his platform. Open and honest. Everyday it's in your face without explanation. He has a long list of lies which have been well documented. I never saw a man lie as much as he has and does, let alone a President.

This C-Span lie is just catching sail thoughout America. It's been out there for a long time but now more media outlets are covering it. I guess they figure he had enough time to make do on this "promise". C-Span is questioning it. This is a in your face lie. More media coverage are to come on his lies as the elections get closer.

The two wars we are still in will be HUGE come election time. Repugs were voted out of office the last 4 years or could not get elected because of war. It was the number one reason dems took the House, Senate and Presidency. Pull out if the repugs were wrong. It's that easy.

"war over, come on home"

Instead you hear

"fight over there so we don't have to fight here"

Sounds familiar. It's crazy how some people ignore this. Thank goodness all people don't ignore it.

The guy is a fuck up. Nothing anyone can do about Obama now but come November.........

People should demand more from elected officials instead of accepting they lie. It's pathetic.

was the crafting of the healthcare legislation done in public jack? Simple yes or no question.

[Winehole23]

http://www.agilitynut.com/05/4/pretzel.jpg

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://www.agilitynut.com/05/4/pretzel.jpg

I'm glad you agree that he did keep the transparency promise that the bills would be negotiated publicly.

[johnsmith]

I haven't posted in this forum for really the better part of two months..........it's good to see that GGA's schtick still sucks and has yet to get even remotely funny.

It is however hilarious to see Winehole call him out on it in nearly every thread.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I haven't posted in this forum for really the better part of two months..........it's good to see that GGA's schtick still sucks and has yet to get even remotely funny.

It is however hilarious to see Winehole call him out on it in nearly every thread.

he's obessed with me.. he's much smarter than you are though.

[DarkReign]

I don't pretend to know what people's intentions are.

So when someone says "The healthcare debate will be televised", you wont "pretend" to know what they meant?

Really?

[da_suns_fan]

I'm glad you agree that he did keep the transparency promise that the bills would be negotiated publicly.

You dont REALLY believe this, do you? Your just too proud to admit that Obama didnt keep a promise.

[DarrinS]

Most transparent administration EVAH!


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[clambake]

he "decided" to change his mind.

you guy's should be fawning all over that.

[spursncowboys]

I know all of you board Republicans were going to Tivo the entire thing, just like you wanted to read the entire bill.
I for one, am against 1200 page bills. It should be short enough that the average american can read it, and understand it, over a weekend. When I brought up the page length, a large group in this forum belittled it as nonsense. You are also getting off the topic of the POTUS lieing to the Americans, and the Democrats making back room deals.

[clambake]

I for one, am against 1200 page bills. It should be short enough that the average american can read it, and understand it, over a weekend. When I brought up the page length, a large group in this forum belittled it as nonsense. You are also getting off the topic of the POTUS lieing to the Americans, and the Democrats making back room deals.

lol you think they make deals in the open.

[DarrinS]

I know all of you board Republicans were going to Tivo the entire thing, just like you wanted to read the entire bill.


How do you Tivo/DVR something that is not broadcast?


EDIT> Reread your post. Disregard.

[EmptyMan]

So far, it'd be so easy to own Obama in a debate/campaign against him in 2012, yet the GOP will probably put forth some weakling that will be soft on him face to face.

[EmptyMan]

Presidents lie

Obama lied

The sky is blue

The next Repub cock sucking prick will do the same

Water is wet

/thread

It's just fun to rub in because Obama was pretty much America's God during the campaign.

[spursncowboys]

So far, it'd be so easy to own Obama in a debate/campaign against him in 2012, yet the GOP will probably put forth some weakling that will be soft on him face to face.
WIth the help of the dems crossing over and picking another moderate. I heard Scarborough is considering running. Im voting for Guilianni

[jack sommerset]

So far, it'd be so easy to own Obama in a debate/campaign against him in 2012, yet the GOP will probably put forth some weakling that will be soft on him face to face.

And thats because Obama is SOOOOOO tough!:lol That pussy is toast. They called him a liar durning his address!

[George Gervin's Afro]

So when someone says "The healthcare debate will be televised", you wont "pretend" to know what they meant?

Really?

the health care debate in Congress? Is there a debate going on now? Or a reconciliation?

[George Gervin's Afro]

You dont REALLY believe this, do you? Your just too proud to admit that Obama didnt keep a promise.

when congress and the senate were debating the healthcare reform bills late last fall. Were they done in public? simple question.


Are you referring to the reconciliation that is going on now? is this the 'debate' that is supposed to be going on in public?

[George Gervin's Afro]

lol you think they make deals in the open.

We have lots of folks here who apparently were born when Obama came into office..

[admiralsnackbar]

And thats because Obama is SOOOOOO tough!:lol That pussy is toast. They called him a liar durning his address!

Considering the nitwit who said that was proven to himself be lying shortly after his unprecedented little outburst, I'm having trouble sussing the point you're trying to make, unless it's the broad observation that Washington is populated exclusively by weasels, Dem or Rep alike.

But I think you're just repeating your pet clairvoyance that Obama is toast in 2012. Again.

[Yonivore]

Some optimistic Republican pundit counts 37 House votes that could be lost if the Pelosi - Reid - Obama compromise is true.

I don't think it'll be 37 but, the bill only passed the house by a couple of votes the first time around so, it doesn't have to be 37.

And, since they've lost their token Republican out in Kalifornia -- Arnold Schwarzenegger now opposes Obamacare -- things may be slipping away.

I'll be curious to see just how energetic Dodd, et. al. remain about Obamacare now that they've announced their intentions.

[spursncowboys]

Some optimistic Republican pundit counts 37 House votes that could be lost if the Pelosi - Reid - Obama compromise is true.

I don't think it'll be 37 but, the bill only passed the house by a couple of votes the first time around so, it doesn't have to be 37.

And, since they've lost their token Republican out in Kalifornia -- Arnold Schwarzenegger now opposes Obamacare -- things may be slipping away.

I'll be curious to see just how energetic Dodd, et. al. remain about Obamacare now that they've announced their intentions.

I think some of them realize that it is a done deal so now they are going against it.

[Yonivore]

I think some of them realize that it is a done deal so now they are going against it.
But, it's not a done deal. I think it passed the house with less than 5 votes the first time.

If just 3 of the 37 change their votes (and, I think it'll be more), game over.

I realize the algorithm is a bit more complicated than that as some Congressmen had Pelosi's permission to vote no last time, to save their political skin, when it became apparent she had the votes. But, she may force their hand this time. How many of those there are, I'm not sure.

[MannyIsGod]

Obviously a poor decision and very disappointing but I'm not sure it was a decision Obama was able to make on his own. He probably should not have made the promise to begin with because making promises you can't keep is very close to a lie.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh and Nancy Pelosi is in no danger of losing a house vote. She runs the house in an extremely effective manner. Whether or not you agree with her ideology it is undeniable how well she runs her position for her party.

[Yonivore]

Obviously a poor decision and very disappointing but I'm not sure it was a decision Obama was able to make on his own. He probably should not have made the promise to begin with because making promises you can't keep is very close to a lie.
It's a promise he made 8 times on camera... If he had any principle, he'd boycott the negotiations until Pelosi agreed to C-SPAN cameras in all Health Care meetings.

:lmao I crack myself up sometimes.

[Yonivore]

Oh and Nancy Pelosi is in no danger of losing a house vote. She runs the house in an extremely effective manner. Whether or not you agree with her ideology it is undeniable how well she runs her position for her party.
We'll see...I'm making no predictions.

She'd better have held enough votes in her pocket to offset the ones she's going to lose because of her shenanigans.

[spursncowboys]

Didn't Slick Willy say something about the Dems losing control if they don't do this?

[Yonivore]

Didn't Slick Willy say something about the Dems losing control if they don't do this?
He blamed the '95 shift on a failure to get it done in his first term. The truth is, the '95 shift was due to the attempt to nationalize health care. I think 2010 will be similar but, it's still too early to tell.

[jack sommerset]

"Let the voters see who is behind healthcare, here is what I will do, I will put in on C-SPAN" Liar!:lol

[clambake]

he decided to change his mind.

you guys love the deciders.

[jack sommerset]

Gold!

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[jack sommerset]

Remember, dems own the senate and house

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[jack sommerset]

Remember why you voted for him? I didn't get it then, I don't get it now. War is off the table. He is a war President.

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[jack sommerset]

Some of you gave me shit because I didn't let my kid listen to this liar in school. If there is a hell, he surely will burn in it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Some of you gave me shit because I didn't let my kid listen to this liar in school. If there is a hell, he surely will burn in it.

I'm sure God will allow those who started unecessary wars which killed thousands of people into heaven and banish those who tried to improve healthcare for everyone into hell..

[clambake]

hey cruiser, any luck in this thread?

[George Gervin's Afro]

hey jack have you been hiding under a rock for the last couple of months? I aske because Congress and the Senate have been negotiaitng this bill for months now. I know your stuck on the reconciliation taking place behind closed doors but will you at leat acknowledge that the healthcare bill negotiations were of public record? I guess you'd be a liar if you didn't acknowledge it..

[George Gervin's Afro]

Some of you gave me shit because I didn't let my kid listen to this liar in school. If there is a hell, he surely will burn in it.

are you telling us that all liars will be banished to hell? have you ever lied jack?

[clambake]

he should be thinking about what he's going to say when his kid finds out he's cruising for dudes.

[George Gervin's Afro]

he should be thinking about what he's going to say when his kid finds out he's cruising for dudes.

he wasn't cruising for dudes. he was asking who the gay people were for the benefit of the all spurstalk posters. But remember he wasn't asking for himself....

I can hear jack now.."all liars go to hell son".."daddy, have you ever lied?"......crickets..

[Wild Cobra]

In the one area where Obama promised transparency, he did not deliver it. He must have known the political process is allergic to sunlight when he said it. Politicians lie to get elected. More at 10 o' clock.
It's really bad when Brian Lamb takes a stand...

Think about that for a moment...

[EmptyMan]

Does Dante ever talk about which level politicians go to?

[spursncowboys]

are you telling us that all liars will be banished to hell? have you ever lied jack?

Why is everything an absolute? The President should be held accountable cheerleader. It has nothing to do with someone's personal beliefs on heaven's standards. Why turn this into something more juvenile. Are you ok with the President lieing? Im not asking if you think he lied this time, but do you have a problem with him lieing?

[clambake]

Why is everything an absolute? The President should be held accountable cheerleader. It has nothing to do with someone's personal beliefs on heaven's standards. Why turn this into something more juvenile. Are you ok with the President lieing? Im not asking if you think he lied this time, but do you have a problem with him lieing?

do you have a problem with him "deciding" to change his mind?

[jack sommerset]

Why is everything an absolute? The President should be held accountable cheerleader. It has nothing to do with someone's personal beliefs on heaven's standards. Why turn this into something more juvenile. Are you ok with the President lieing? Im not asking if you think he lied this time, but do you have a problem with him lieing?

I'm glad more media outlets are covering his bullshit.

[clambake]

I'm glad more media outlets are covering his bullshit.

you mean his decisions, right jack....the cruiser?

[George Gervin's Afro]

do you have a problem with him "deciding" to change his mind?

no mind changing. obama knowingly told a lie.
he knew in January of 2008 that he was going to win the Presidency
he knew he was gong to have 60 votes in the Senate
he knew his healthcare overhaul legislation would pass
he then realized that the reconciliation would take place in private
but her hoped no one would remember


devious bastard..

[George Gervin's Afro]

Why is everything an absolute? The President should be held accountable cheerleader. It has nothing to do with someone's personal beliefs on heaven's standards. Why turn this into something more juvenile. Are you ok with the President lieing? Im not asking if you think he lied this time, but do you have a problem with him lieing?

so if he lied then he must have known the future because a lie requires someone to purposely give you false information knowing the opposite is true... so i guess you want me to buy into he knew that his healthcare reform legislation would pass back in January 2008... So now if this is true I guess I could say now that I did not win the lottery in 2011... so if I did win I guess I lied...:lmao

[George Gervin's Afro]

Giuliani: No domestic terror attacks under Bush

WASHINGTON – Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani set off a tempest about terrorism Friday with his claim that this nation "had no domestic attacks" under President George W. Bush.

Giuliani somehow neglected to mention the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as he was contrasting President Barack Obama's handling of terrorism with that of Bush in light of the failed Christmas Day attempt to blow up a Detroit-bound flight. The Sept. 11 attacks toppled New York's World Trade Center, killed nearly 3,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania and earned Giuliani accolades as "America's mayor."

The Republican said of Obama on ABC's "Good Morning America" that "what he should be doing is following the right things that Bush did."

While saying he believes Obama "turned the corner" on understanding the nature of terrorism when he publicly declared the U.S. at war, Giuliani added that Obama has plenty of room to improve on terrorism.

"We had no domestic attacks under Bush," Giuliani said. "We've had one under Obama."

That statement set off waves of protest in the blogosphere. And it echoed a recent claim by former Bush press secretary Dana Perino. GOP strategist Mary Matalin also recently said the Bush administration "inherited the most tragic attack on our soil in our nation's history," implying that the 9/11 attacks resulted from mistakes by the Clinton administration.

Bush replaced Clinton in the White House on Jan. 20, 2001, or almost nine months before the al-Qaida sponsored attacks.

When Giuliani was questioned later Friday about his statement, he explained to CNN's Wolf Blitzer that he misspoke.

"I usually say we had no domestic attacks, no major domestic attack under President Bush since Sept. 11," he said. He said after all the warnings of more attacks that came immediately after Sept. 11, many were surprised that this country avoided another major terrorist attack.

Giuliani said: "I did omit the words 'since Sept. 11.' I apologize for that."

Shoe bomber Richard Reid tried to bring down a trans-Atlantic flight from Paris to Miami in December 2001 using similar methods to the Christmas Day attempt. In both cases, quick action by courageous passengers and crew members helped avoid catastrophe.

Concerning Friday's interview, GMA's George Stephanopoulos said he should have asked Giuliani what he meant.

"All of you who have pointed out that I should have pressed him on that misstatement in the moment are right," he wrote on his blog. "My mistake, my responsibility."


I guess he lied... jack won't vote for rudy now..

[George Gervin's Afro]

This sudden focus on lying came about 8 yrs late. i guess lying to get into a war is far less severe than healthcare negotiations on cspan..

[EmptyMan]

Hillary should run in 2012.

[jack sommerset]

I guess he lied... jack won't vote for rudy now..

Anyone who runs against Obama will end up with my vote.......

[George Gervin's Afro]

Anyone who runs against Obama will end up with my vote.......

so you do like liars. it's hard on get a read on you jackie..

[jack sommerset]

so you do like liars. it's hard on get a read on you jackie..

:lol Thats what you get from that. Sad. This is why I don't like talking to you. You come up with gay ass conclusions.

Let me help you. I hate Obama. I would vote for anyone instead of him.

[George Gervin's Afro]

:lol Thats what you get from that. Sad. This is why I don't like talking to you. You come up with gay ass conclusions.

Let me help you. I hate Obama. I would vote for anyone instead of him.

So instead of sticking to your principals you are going to abandon them because of Obama.

you claim to hate liars