Overrated bands

[IronMexican]

Is there a more overrated band than Nirvana? They have like 3 good songs and like the rest are ripoffs of their popular songs. Their okay, but they get way more love than they actually deserve.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

aerosmith sucks IMO

[Kyle Orton]

Radiohead.

[iggypop123]

Nickelback

add coldplay to that list. arists -2pac

[Ignignokt]

Mookie Crew troll in 5...

[Udokafan05]

nickelback

+ 1

[Ignignokt]

311

[Frenzy]

U2 and rolling stones. Old doesn't make it classic.

[mookie_crew]

add coldplay to that list.

i dont know what it is but when i hear coldplay i want less. theyre so deep tho if you play them in your car on a date the girl with think your sensitive and cute. cbf called me a fag once for doing this. i dont think he really meant it tho.

on topic, i dont think ill make a list due to the fact that it would make conqueso's posts look like a tweet.

but this one time some boomer told me the flaming lips were good. i pointed out that they were from methlahoma/chokelahoma so there isn't a plausible way a band that is considered neo psychidelia, space rock, and experimental rock could be great. we know this.

[jcrod]

Is there a more overrated band than Nirvana? They have like 3 good songs and like the rest are ripoffs of their popular songs. Their okay, but they get way more love than they actually deserve.

Overrated, realy? Hold old are you? Only a few good songs, a lot has to do with someone called Kurt dying you know. They changed music during those of us who were growing up during that time.

[Duff McCartney]

Kiss...by far the most overrated band ever.

[Greg Oden]

rage against the machine

[IronMexican]

Overrated, realy? Hold old are you? Only a few good songs, a lot has to do with someone called Kurt dying you know. They changed music during those of us who were growing up during that time.
You can listen to Smells like teen spirit, rape me and certain parts of Lithium and think they are all the same song. If playing the same guitar riffs over and over is your thing, Nirvana just might be your favorite band.

Radiohead.

Brah, you're pretty retarded

[jcrod]

You can listen to Smells like teen spirit, rape me and certain parts of Lithium and think they are all the same song. If playing the same guitar riffs over and over is your thing, Nirvana just might be your favorite band.


Brah, you're pretty retarded

Again how old are you?

[Kyle Orton]

Again how old are you?
That matters alot!


Brah, you're pretty retarded

I'd rather the singer not sound like he's about to cry.

[tlongII]

U2 and rolling stones. Old doesn't make it classic.

Please tell me you're joking.

[IronMexican]

19

[BlackSwordsMan]

Nin

[Frenzy]

Please tell me you're joking.
oh i forget everyone is suppose to like the stones. :wakeup


I've listen to "the hits"


yawn...:sleep

[Greg Oden]

oh i forget everyone is suppose to like the stones. :wakeup


I've listen to "the hits"


yawn...:sleep

Let's hear some shit you like, little guy.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Every band mentioned thus far except NIN can be considered overrated from any legitimate angle.

You first have to define "overrated", with today's musical scene structure it's too nebulous of a term.
I think too many people confuse "overplayed" with "overrated". Nirvana is not overrated, but is certainly overplayed. I cannot remember the last time I heard a Nirvana song on the radio and did not change the station. It makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth when I hear a Nirvana song on the radio these days. Doesn't make them overrated, just makes it old shit.

[Frenzy]

No kidding. Someone take this fool out to the shed and put him out of his misery. He probably likes Korn.

Don't have a heart attack dude..it's an opinion....didn't say they suck. I think they are over rated. Yes I think korn has some good songs.



Let's hear some shit you like, little guy.


I like almost any genre. Only thing I'm not to fond of is Screamo and bublegum pop/rock. Besides any thing I name is gonna get "oh they suck" that's an automatic for my previous post. You can name some of your fav bands if you want pops.

[JMarkJohns]

Nirvana is considered great because...

It's not sell-out rock. It's not rock for the all-mighty dollar. It's not rock for fame. It's just rock. I think it's pretty obvious he didn't care about any of that.

It's not that it was so musically great. Alice in Chains is far superior. Soundgarden and Pearl Jam even... But the greatness is in the simplicity. They didn't try to overwork you. They just gave it to you, every song, 100%.

Cobain was an every man. He wasn't that gifted. He wasn't a great lyricist. He didn't have a great voice, but every fan could hear themselves through his music, because of this. He hit wrong notes on very simple chords, his voice squeaked and cracked... he was you and me on stage.

That's why he was a great frontman, because the only thing he cared about was that song at that moment. That's why Nirvana was great, because it was all about the songs, no matter how simple, how acceptable or how good.

Every song was played, sang with the same passion.

At a time when music was way too overproduced and the artists themselves were OK with it, Nirvana, for all their simplicity, breathed life back into the industry. I would venture to say that the Radiohead, a band you've voiced approval for in this thread, wouldn't have had the creative license to make some of that same music had Nirvana's simplicity not broke the mold of mediocrity of mainstream rock.

As others have said, after-the-fact opinions of their significance/importance are hard to make accurately if one wasn't there to experience it.

[dirk4mvp]

Nirvana is considered great because...

It's not sell-out rock. It's not rock for the all-mighty dollar. It's not rock for fame. It's just rock. I think it's pretty obvious he didn't care about any of that.

It's not that it was so musically great. Alice in Chains is far superior. Soundgarden and Pearl Jam even... But the greatness is in the simplicity. They didn't try to overwork you. They just gave it to you, every song, 100%.

Cobain was an every man. He wasn't that gifted. He wasn't a great lyricist. He didn't have a great voice, but every fan could hear themselves through his music, because of this. He hit wrong notes on very simple chords, his voice squeaked and cracked... he was you and me on stage.

That's why he was a great frontman, because the only thing he cared about was that song at that moment. That's why Nirvana was great, because it was all about the songs, no matter how simple, how acceptable or how good.

Every song was played, sang with the same passion.

At a time when music was way too overproduced and the artists themselves were OK with it, Nirvana, for all their simplicity, breathed life back into the industry. I would venture to say that the Radiohead, a band you've voiced approval for in this thread, wouldn't have had the creative license to make some of that same music had Nirvana's simplicity not broke the mold of mediocrity of mainstream rock.

As others have said, after-the-fact opinions of their significance/importance are hard to make accurately if one wasn't there to experience it.

This post is going to make IronMexican shed a tear.

[IronMexican]

Nirvana is considered great because...

It's not sell-out rock. It's not rock for the all-mighty dollar. It's not rock for fame. It's just rock. I think it's pretty obvious he didn't care about any of that.

It's not that it was so musically great. Alice in Chains is far superior. Soundgarden and Pearl Jam even... But the greatness is in the simplicity. They didn't try to overwork you. They just gave it to you, every song, 100%.

Cobain was an every man. He wasn't that gifted. He wasn't a great lyricist. He didn't have a great voice, but every fan could hear themselves through his music, because of this. He hit wrong notes on very simple chords, his voice squeaked and cracked... he was you and me on stage.

That's why he was a great frontman, because the only thing he cared about was that song at that moment. That's why Nirvana was great, because it was all about the songs, no matter how simple, how acceptable or how good.

Every song was played, sang with the same passion.

At a time when music was way too overproduced and the artists themselves were OK with it, Nirvana, for all their simplicity, breathed life back into the industry. I would venture to say that the Radiohead, a band you've voiced approval for in this thread, wouldn't have had the creative license to make some of that same music had Nirvana's simplicity not broke the mold of mediocrity of mainstream rock.

As others have said, after-the-fact opinions of their significance/importance are hard to make accurately if one wasn't there to experience it.

And that's exactly why they are overrated. They certainly didn't contribute the most when it came to music. It had more to do with their impact. Now we have to listen to their music which is very whiny almost 20 years later. Is it bad? No. Is it great? Definitely not.

And Radiohead would be doing what they want to do regardless of Nirvana or not. They probably get as much criticism from all news fronts and other artists for not trying to stick with the norm.


Radiohead is infinitely times better than Nirvana. Maybe not as an influence, but as music goes, they are much better. They re-invented themselves a lot and keep going. They also don't do it for the money.

[Whisky Dog]

I'm 29 and was barely hitting that 11 to 12 yr old stage when Nirvana changed the stale hair metal rock scene that was so played out with everyone doing power ballads to cash in.

Someone 19 is about 10 years too young to have an appreciation at all. Of course you don't appreciate it - you weren't there.

[Elisha Cuthbert]

OMG liek my top 3 most overrated bands have definitely gotta be Metallica, the Black Eyed Peas and Linkin Park.

My fave band of all time is def Smashing Pumpkins. <3

[Whisky Dog]

Radiohead isn't my thing at all. You call Nirvana whiny but then rave on Radiohead? That makes no sense.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Nirvana did not change the hair metal rock scene

tv, a stale hair metal rock scene, and a shitload of other non-hair metal bands did that

[Frenzy]

i like almost any genre too

that's what makes my music taste selective right? because i don't care?


oh so you don't find the need to argue and push you style of music on anyone huh :depressed

What if I said something like Fallout boy > metallica

will that :stirpot: just a tad?

[Whisky Dog]

Nirvana was the 1st major Seattle scene band to break through and get major radio play. I think they're the worst of the big ones from that era with AIC being the best followed by Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, but Nirvana broke through first. That effectively ended major radio play for hair metal and stuff like Poison and Faster Pussycat.

[Many PackYao]

You see and hear a lot of people say Metallica is overrated, yet they still sellout arenas across the world.

[JMarkJohns]

And that's exactly why they are overrated. They certainly didn't contribute the most when it came to music. It had more to do with their impact. Now we have to listen to their music which is very whiny almost 20 years later. Is it bad? No. Is it great? Definitely not.

And Radiohead would be doing what they want to do regardless of Nirvana or not. They probably get as much criticism from all news fronts and other artists for not trying to stick with the norm.

Radiohead is infinitely times better than Nirvana. Maybe not as an influence, but as music goes, they are much better. They re-invented themselves a lot and keep going. They also don't do it for the money.

Wrong. It's that impact that is lasting and thus means they weren't overrated. Every album held prime significance at the time. Nobody ever said they were great musicians. Therefore nobody has ever rated their ability as highly as you seem to be assuming. In spite of this, fans flocked to them. Nobody would rate them very highly from a musical standpoint.

But when you start talking about the best rock bands and Nirvana is mentioned, it's done so justifiably because they are speaking to the significance/impact of the band.

That same Radiohead that's reinvented themselves first started out riding the same coattails you critique Nirvana on now.

[IronMexican]

Nirvana did not change the hair metal rock scene

tv, a stale hair metal rock scene, and a shitload of other non-hair metal bands did that

Are you telling me you didn't think Van Halen was a life-changing band?

[mookie_crew]

OMG liek my top 3 most overrated bands have definitely gotta be Metallica, the Black Eyed Peas and Linkin Park.

My fave band of all time is def Smashing Pumpkins. <3

cROFL smashing pumpkins

sp is what gay people listened to before coldplay became popular.

[Greg Oden]

Are you telling me you didn't think Van Halen was a life-changing band?

EVH was certainly life changing to a whole new flock of wanna be guitar shredders.

[J.T.]

What if I said something like Fallout boy > metallica

Then I'd call you a faggot.

[jcrod]

And that's exactly why they are overrated. They certainly didn't contribute the most when it came to music. It had more to do with their impact. Now we have to listen to their music which is very whiny almost 20 years later. Is it bad? No. Is it great? Definitely not.

And Radiohead would be doing what they want to do regardless of Nirvana or not. They probably get as much criticism from all news fronts and other artists for not trying to stick with the norm.


Radiohead is infinitely times better than Nirvana. Maybe not as an influence, but as music goes, they are much better. They re-invented themselves a lot and keep going. They also don't do it for the money.


You have no idea, your age is showing.

[IronMexican]

Wrong. It's that impact that is lasting and thus means they weren't overrated. Every album held prime significance at the time. Nobody ever said they were great musicians. Therefore nobody has ever rated their ability as highly as you seem to be assuming. In spite of this, fans flocked to them. Nobody would rate them very highly from a musical standpoint.

But when you start talking about the best rock bands and Nirvana is mentioned, it's justifiably because they are speaking to the significance/impact of the band.

That same Radiohead that's reinvented themselves first started out riding the same coattails you critique Nirvana on now.

They've grown from just that, though. They started out with one hit song and grew tired of it. They hated the fame, so they changed almost everything about them. They didn't just have one good album and two mediocre ones. Like i said, you are giving them credit for stuff outside of music. I get they helped get rid of glam-rock. They were good, not great. I'm not saying they were terrible. They have some songs that I like. I never go out of my way to listen to them, but they have some songs.

[JMarkJohns]

And that's exactly why they are overrated. They certainly didn't contribute the most when it came to music.

You also seem to be missing the significance of simplicity at a time when the talented artists in rock were all a part of the problem of overproduced schlock.

It wasn't entirely Nirvana, but they were the first bands to gain the attention and it wasn't because they were being rated higher than they should have been. It's because fans responded to their simplicity as it was exactly what the unspoken-for counter-culture needed.

The genius of Nirvana's sound was its simple origins.

As has been said, many say Nirvana was the least musically gifted of the Grunge era bands, yet they are still regarded by the masses as the most significant. Not talented, lest you think the fans buying their albums are clueless, but most impacting.

You fail to understand that simplicity is an art in and of itself.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Are you telling me you didn't think Van Halen was a life-changing band?

i dunno how you grabbed that from what i said

[Kenny Powers]

Randy Travis. If you listen to anything of his, you're a fucking faggot.

[mardigan]

Red Hot Chili Peppers and Sublime where always two bands I thought were over rated. I like Sublime too, but sometimes I hear people talk about them like they changed the musical landscape forever, which they didnt come close to.

[JMarkJohns]

They've grown from just that, though. They started out with one hit song and grew tired of it. They hated the fame, so they changed almost everything about them. They didn't just have one good album and two mediocre ones. Like i said, you are giving them credit for stuff outside of music. I get they helped get rid of glam-rock. They were good, not great. I'm not saying they were terrible. They have some songs that I like. I never go out of my way to listen to them, but they have some songs.

You really have no idea what you're talking about. You play Nirvana's first album Bleach and then listen to In Utero and tell me they are the same sound. You won't be able to because they simply aren't. Nirvana, in a very short period of time, mind you, went from being absolute raw angst rock to having a semblance to melody to creating orchestration accompaniments for their songs. They did this in just about four years. Had they continued, who knows the extent that their evolution would have gone...

I'm not taking anything away from Radiohead. I own just about every album and have been a fan since Pablo Honey and have enjoy (if not more) their own creative ventures like OK Computer, Kid A and The Bends.

[J.T.]

Eh I always figured Sublime was overrated in the same vein that The Dark Knight was. Sublime's popularity is bolstered by Brad Knowles death, just like Dark Knight banked mad cash cuz everyone wanted to see the movie that killed Heath Ledger. They're actually not bad but you can totally tell that Knowles was running that show. They've been trying to regroup for years now and it's not working out at all.

[tlongII]

It's all about The Stones. One of the greatest Rock and Roll bands of ALL TIME! There is no denying this despite the fact that most of you weren't born before most of their biggest hits. They were instrumental in shaping rock music into what it has become today.

[sook]

Nirvana isn't overrated, neither is NIN. Teen Spirit is the GREATEST rock song of all time so discussion should end there, and nobody has any thing on Reznor.

Overrated?

Red Hot Chilli Peppers

Cold Play

Sublime

Radiohead (they suck)

U2

Greenday

New Metallica

Rage Against the Machine (lead singer sounds like shit, cornell kicks his ass)




Underrated:

Billy Talent

Chevelle

Deftones

Disturbed

A perfect circle

Soundgarden

Ozzy Osbourne (the band) Randy Rhoads is one of the greatest guitarists ever, surprised they don't get more credit

Deff Leopard

[baseline bum]

No way can Red Hot Chili Peppers be called overrated. I hate that funk almost died out, and I'm extremely grateful the Chili Peppers brought it back. And Nirvana? Rolling Stones? U2? Are you people fucking kidding me? Especially the Stones. I think they're one of the most underrated groups right now; I mean, only old people like tlong even talk about them anymore, even though they practically created rock from blues.

[Spurminator]

Animal Collective

[JMarkJohns]

No way can Red Hot Chili Peppers be called overrated. I hate that funk almost died out, and I'm extremely grateful the Chili Peppers brought it back. And Nirvana? Rolling Stones? U2? Are you people fucking kidding me? Especially the Stones. I think they're one of the most underrated groups right now; I mean, only old people like tlong even talk about them anymore, even though they practically created rock from blues.

Yep on all fronts but one. U2 was a great band, but their recent stuff is schlocky radio-friendly crap that's force fed to everyone through marketing. Don't know if their current stuff (from Discoteque on) has been hyped by the media as being as good as their past stuff, but it's not anywhere near as good, and if you played me Bullet In Blue Sky then played any song from their last two albums and told me it was the same band, I'd have punched you for lying to my face.

They are still talented musically, but that talent is not manifest in their last decade worth's of albums, and that their crap is still so mainstream may show aspects of being overrated (but without knowing comments from music critics, I can't say).

[J.T.]

No way can Red Hot Chili Peppers be called overrated. I hate that funk almost died out, and I'm extremely grateful the Chili Peppers brought it back. And Nirvana? Rolling Stones? U2? Are you people fucking kidding me? Especially the Stones. I think they're one of the most underrated groups right now; I mean, only old people like tlong even talk about them anymore, even though they practically created rock from blues.

:tu

The Stones are the shit brah. The only bad thing going for them right now is a lot of mix stations overplay the shit out of like two or three of their songs (usually songs like "Start Me Up", "Gimme Shelter" and "Paint it Black"), and those aren't even their best songs.

Really what's fucking killing music and has been for a long fucking time was the advent of the "greatest hits" album. It's restricting bands to being known for four or five songs and throwing out everything else they did, except to the people who bought or pirated the full albums.

[mardigan]

Really what's fucking killing music and has been for a long fucking time was the advent of the "greatest hits" album. It's restricting bands to being known for four or five songs and throwing out everything else they did, except to the people who bought or pirated the full albums.

Yea, but at the same time, it makes music easier to get in to. I got into David Bowie after I got one of his greatest hits albums for a b-day, and immediately went out on got all of his other shit. It can be kind of overwhelming trying to get into a older group with a huge catalog of music. A greatest hits album sometimes can help point the way towards which albums to start out with. Although I get what your saying.

[Ignignokt]

Chilli Peppers is not any form of punk.

It's more like White guilt angst angry no soul, no wang punk.

[Fpoonsie]

I honestly can't tell the difference between a band that I think is overrated, and one that's incredibly popular that I hate. I was TEMPTED to put both RHCP and Aerosmith down, but I'm just not sure. I DO know I hate them.

[WildcardManu]

I'm 29 and was barely hitting that 11 to 12 yr old stage when Nirvana changed the stale hair metal rock scene that was so played out with everyone doing power ballads to cash in.

Someone 19 is about 10 years too young to have an appreciation at all. Of course you don't appreciate it - you weren't there.

+1000000

I'm 28 and still love a lot of those "overrated" bands being listed. What is overrated to me might be great for someone else. So in the end, it's all just great music to someone else.


Edit: Besides most of these bands sound way better than the garbage being played on the radio.

[RedsLakers24]

The Killers are the best, thats all you need to know

[WildcardManu]

The Killers are the best, thats all you need to know

lol I like the Killers

[dirk4mvp]

The Killers are the best, thats all you need to know

The best what?

[Cry Havoc]

I think it's funny that people think they can voice their opinions in an internet thread about music without being flamed for it.

I listen to Fallout Boy a lot. It's fantastic running music and the lyrics are humorous and very tongue-in-cheek, and the beats are usually high energy.

So I like Fallout Boy. Call me whatever you want. It's my opinion, and it's staying that way, regardless of your SRS INTERNET ARGUMENT BZNESS.

If you try to tell someone they're an idiot for liking a band, well, you need to step down off that pedestal.

Now, if you want to debate WHY a band is good or bad with regard to how you feel about them, different story. But you rarely see posts in a thread like this. Mostly it's just people bitching, then telling other people how much of a lesser person they are for liking band "x". Hilarious.

[CuckingFunt]

This thread/argument is amusing to me for a number of reasons.

For one thing, I will forever be fascinated by the practice of arguing personal taste and preference on a message board. It's silly. I'd rather be shot than listen to Fallout Boy, for example, but Cry Havoc apparently likes them -- however, neither of us is "right."

For another thing, more specific to this discussion, what does it matter whether or not a band is overrated? Does it somehow change their talent level? Or whether or not you enjoy listening to them? I'd imagine not.

[J.T.]

I think it's funny that people think they can voice their opinions in an internet thread about music without being flamed for it.

Well, since you pretty much asked for it with a lead-in like that. . .


So I like Fallout Boy. Call me whatever you want.

You can tell a lot about a person by the music they listen to. And Fallout Boy is pretty fucking gay. I was never that good at math but even I can add this one up. That post had so many emo undertones even my wrists are bleeding right now. If faced with the choice of listening to a Fallout Boy album or being with that girl in the Miller Lite commercial who keeps asking the dude if he'd save her over his dog or his mom or his beer and then walks away when he hesitates on the beer part, I'd fucking marry that girl.

I can do this all day. Bad music is so easy to shit on. They ruined "Beat It". May they rot in hell.

Deuces.

[Bukefal]

I agree on Nirvana being a bit overrated. They are more popular because of the death of the guy and the whole image surrounding.

But for rolling stones, hell no. They are not overrated.

[slayermin]

I'm gonna get killed for this.

Iron Maiden

[mojorizen7]

Nickelback

:toast
Fuck yes. Nickelback. Big time.

[sonic21]

They are overrated only because of Cobains death, which led to overexposure and fanaticism.

[leemajors]

Radiohead.

Muse

[baseline bum]

Chilli Peppers is not any form of punk.

Funk

[leemajors]

And that's exactly why they are overrated. They certainly didn't contribute the most when it came to music. It had more to do with their impact. Now we have to listen to their music which is very whiny almost 20 years later. Is it bad? No. Is it great? Definitely not.

And Radiohead would be doing what they want to do regardless of Nirvana or not. They probably get as much criticism from all news fronts and other artists for not trying to stick with the norm.


Radiohead is infinitely times better than Nirvana. Maybe not as an influence, but as music goes, they are much better. They re-invented themselves a lot and keep going. They also don't do it for the money.

Why don't you openly contradict yourself some more, brah.

[leemajors]

No way can Red Hot Chili Peppers be called overrated. I hate that funk almost died out, and I'm extremely grateful the Chili Peppers brought it back. And Nirvana? Rolling Stones? U2? Are you people fucking kidding me? Especially the Stones. I think they're one of the most underrated groups right now; I mean, only old people like tlong even talk about them anymore, even though they practically created rock from blues.

Ehh imo the Limbomaniacs were much better than the Chili Peppers. They just didn't catch the breaks the Chili Peppers did. There was a whole underground funk scene on the west coast in the late 80s.

[leemajors]

I'm gonna get killed for this.

Iron Maiden

At some point in the 90s I would have agreed, but they are pretty much the shizz.

[Thunder Dan]

Overrated, realy? Hold old are you? Only a few good songs, a lot has to do with someone called Kurt dying you know. They changed music during those of us who were growing up during that time.

no they didn't. The Melvins, Pixies and Mudhoney changed music and Nirvana got on the radio. Before Kurt killed himself in 1994, people preferred Pearl Jam to Nirvana. Pearl Jam had the highest selling record, but then Kurt killed himself and Nirvana became legendary. If Vedder killed himself they would be regarded as better. Nirvana didn't reinvent anything. They were a band that got on the radio. They are very much overrated

my vote goes for the Doors and Bruce Springsteen. Both overrated

[Drachen]

Overrated, realy? Hold old are you? Only a few good songs, a lot has to do with someone called Kurt dying you know. They changed music during those of us who were growing up during that time.

The answer to this question is Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana!!!! They were undeservedly given credit for changing music BECAUSE kurt offed himself. Greatest career move ever. It was the best thing that he ever did for his band. Nirvana is the answer to this question.

[Thunder Dan]

Nirvana is considered great because...

It's not sell-out rock. It's not rock for the all-mighty dollar.

Nirvana is indeed sell out rock. They signed with a major label and made millions. Kurt's inner struggle was how to appeal to what he thought was his core audience when he was a millionaire and no longer had a struggle. Listen to In Utero. The whole album sounds like something where a band tries to make music that pop culture wouldn't like so he could go back to being an outcast. He thrived as an outcast, and couldn't accept the fact that he sold out. This is why there is that famous fight between he and Courtney Love when she came home in a new Lexus. He made her take it back, but it was obvious that he was having inner struggles because here he was, a millionaire, but couldn't be seen in a Lexus because the rock gods he looked up to didn't drive a bankers car. He was a voice of a generation but didn't want to be. He sold out and he knew it.

[Drachen]

Nirvana did not change the hair metal rock scene

tv, a stale hair metal rock scene, and a shitload of other non-hair metal bands did that


Lets not forget that even in Nirvana's own genre of music a band had already released their album that reached the masses (and outsold nevermind).

[Drachen]

Nirvana was the 1st major Seattle scene band to break through and get major radio play. I think they're the worst of the big ones from that era with AIC being the best followed by Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, but Nirvana broke through first. That effectively ended major radio play for hair metal and stuff like Poison and Faster Pussycat.

This is incorrect.

[Thunder Dan]

Radiohead is both a underrated band and overrated. People who hate them don't understand their importance and brilliance, and people who love them can't see past them. That said, to compare Nirvana to Radiohead is ridiculous. Radiohead is far superior both musically and for their contributions to their genre.

There are posts on this thread telling us Disturbed is underrated and the Stones overrated so I know we aren't discussing music with intellectuals. Someone saying Smells like Teen Spirit is the best rock song ever? wtf?

[Drachen]

cROFL smashing pumpkins

sp is what gay people listened to before coldplay became popular.

Cant speak for their more recent albums. Just for perspective I probably havent listened to anything after Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, but Coldplay couldn't sniff SP jock strap.

[leemajors]

Radiohead is both a underrated band and overrated. People who hate them don't understand their importance and brilliance, and people who love them can't see past them. That said, to compare Nirvana to Radiohead is ridiculous. Radiohead is far superior both musically and for their contributions to their genre.

There are posts on this thread telling us Disturbed is underrated and the Stones overrated so I know we aren't discussing music with intellectuals. Someone saying Smells like Teen Spirit is the best rock song ever? wtf?

People who love them can't explain their importance and brilliance because it's largely in their own minds. They may be technically superior in some ways, but that's not terribly difficult.

[Thunder Dan]

People who love them can't explain their importance and brilliance because it's largely in their own minds. They may be technically superior in some ways, but that's not terribly difficult.

OK Computer changed Alternative music. Everything you hear today from the Killers to Pheonix to Muse wouldn't exist without that album. That album in itself opened the doors for a generation of Alternative music to use different instruments and make music as intellectuals rather than just make loud music.

[leemajors]

OK Computer changed Alternative music. Everything you hear today from the Killers to Pheonix to Muse wouldn't exist without that album. That album in itself opened the doors for a generation of Alternative music to use different instruments and make music as intellectuals rather than just make loud music.

Except that lesser known bands had been doing it for years, Radiohead crested the wave. Just like Nirvana. Originality isn't really a hallmark of rock music or its derivatives.

[Thunder Dan]

Except that lesser known bands had been doing it for years, Radiohead just crested the wave. Just like Nirvana.

the Cure and REM were the only predecessors of the late 90's Radiohead, but Radiohead took it to another level. Radiohead made music that sounded like REM on Pablo Honey and by the time OK Computer came out they were their own band and genre. That is nothing like Nirvana. Nirvana was the opening band for Mudhoney and the Melvins and their hit got them on the radio. Radiohead was making a style of music and was successful touring with Dinosaur Jr., but threw it all out the window and created their own genre. They did it again for Kid A. There is no band to make music like there is on Kid A- not one. That is nothing like Nirvana

[DarkReign]

Iron Maiden

You'd better Run to the Hills after that comment.

[leemajors]

the Cure and REM were the only predecessors of the late 90's Radiohead, but Radiohead took it to another level. Radiohead made music that sounded like REM on Pablo Honey and by the time OK Computer came out they were their own band and genre. That is nothing like Nirvana. Nirvana was the opening band for Mudhoney and the Melvins and their hit got them on the radio. Radiohead was making a style of music and was successful touring with Dinosaur Jr., but threw it all out the window and created their own genre. They did it again for Kid A. There is no band to make music like there is on Kid A- not one. That is nothing like Nirvana

Right, because you love Radiohead they are completely original. You don't sound much different than "smells like teen spirit is the best song in the world"

[Thunder Dan]

Right, because you love Radiohead they are completely original. You don't sound much different than "smells like teen spirit is the best song in the world"

but I have the history to back me up on both fronts. There is no band to bring ambient and avant-garde styles into rock music before Radiohead. There is no history before them. The Beatles recorded tracks, but didn't release them, and when they did it sounded awful. Radiohead made it a style, and that style is what Alternative music is today. That style is what you hear in Coldplay, Muse, The Killers, MGMT and the thousands of other bands that are out now. Radiohead changed music.

Nirvana is a good band, but they just changed the scene of music. That is different. Nirvana was the band who got on the radio and brought a scene to pop culture. They were the FACE of grunge, not the CREATORS of grunge. That is why they are overrated. People often confuse Nirvana with other bands by saying they created the grunge sound- they didn't. They were the first to get on the radio.

Radiohead changed Alternative music by created their own style. It didn't even get them famous the way Nirvana was. By 2000 most stations didn't even play their music, however they influenced millions.

[Thunder Dan]

I should say that I really like Nirvana too, I listen to their Unglugged and Live at Reading almost daily. So I don't hate them, but they didn't create anything and I'm not saying what I'm saying because I dislike them.

[leemajors]

but I have the history to back me up on both fronts. There is no band to bring ambient and avant-garde styles into rock music before Radiohead. There is no history before them. The Beatles recorded tracks, but didn't release them, and when they did it sounded awful. Radiohead made it a style, and that style is what Alternative music is today. That style is what you hear in Coldplay, Muse, The Killers, MGMT and the thousands of other bands that are out now. Radiohead changed music.

Nirvana is a good band, but they just changed the scene of music. That is different. Nirvana was the band who got on the radio and brought a scene to pop culture. They were the FACE of grunge, not the CREATORS of grunge. That is why they are overrated. People often confuse Nirvana with other bands by saying they created the grunge sound- they didn't. They were the first to get on the radio.

Radiohead changed Alternative music by created their own style. It didn't even get them famous the way Nirvana was. By 2000 most stations didn't even play their music, however they influenced millions.

Let's see... any number of Bill Laswell influenced/produced bands have been doing it since the mid 80s, take your pick - Massacre, Painkiller, Material, Celluloid records artists. Plenty of bands fused Kraftwerk/Can/Tangerine Dream/Faust influenced krautrock with jazz/rock/whatever else. Just because you aren't familiar with them, or they weren't imminently popular doesn't mean they don't exist. Buckethead himself was doing it in the mid-90s, and yes, I have the albums to prove it.

[Thunder Dan]

Let's see... any number of Bill Laswell influenced/produced bands have been doing it since the mid 80s, take your pick - Massacre, Painkiller, Material, Celluloid records artists. Plenty of bands fused Kraftwerk/Can/Tangerine Dream/Faust influenced krautrock with jazz/rock/whatever else. Just because you aren't familiar with them, or they weren't imminently popular doesn't mean they don't exist. Buckethead himself was doing it in the mid-90s, and yes, I have the albums to prove it.

but Radiohead didn't tour with those bands. They didn't tour with Painkiller or Buckethead and become famous. They toured with Alanis Morrisette in 1996, came back in 1997 and made an album that sounded like nothing else. The Beatles didn't create rock music, but they are credited for changing it, that is the same thing I'm saying with Radiohead. They changed their genre. Nirvana is different because the genre already existed and was popular, they just became more popular than the genre.

[leemajors]

but Radiohead didn't tour with those bands. They didn't tour with Painkiller or Buckethead and become famous. They toured with Alanis Morrisette in 1996, came back in 1997 and made an album that sounded like nothing else. The Beatles didn't create rock music, but they are credited for changing it, that is the same thing I'm saying with Radiohead. They changed their genre. Nirvana is different because the genre already existed and was popular, they just became more popular than the genre.

Radiohead came out with an album that sounds like dozens of others before it that you hadn't heard, that's the point. It's not original, they brought it into the mainstream. Just like Nirvana did. Who they toured with is irrelevant. You said they created their own genre of music, which is patently false.

[leemajors]

I honestly can't tell the difference between a band that I think is overrated, and one that's incredibly popular that I hate. I was TEMPTED to put both RHCP and Aerosmith down, but I'm just not sure. I DO know I hate them.

Aerosmith is highly overrated, especially Walk This Way with Run DMC. Johnny Lydon and Afrika Bambaata had already broken down that barrier with the far superior World Destruction.

[Drachen]

Aerosmith is highly overrated, especially Walk This Way with Run DMC. Johnny Lydon and Afrika Bambaata had already broken down that barrier with the far superior World Destruction.

Afrika Bambaata sure likes to get involved in crossover collaberations with much success. Anyone ever heard 2 kool 4 skool by Uberzone and Afrika Bambaata? Great song.

[JamStone]

Eh I always figured Sublime was overrated in the same vein that The Dark Knight was. Sublime's popularity is bolstered by Brad Knowles death, just like Dark Knight banked mad cash cuz everyone wanted to see the movie that killed Heath Ledger. They're actually not bad but you can totally tell that Knowles was running that show. They've been trying to regroup for years now and it's not working out at all.

Lol Beyonce was heartbroken when her brother died...

Thing is Sublime wasn't very popular or "rated" when they were playing and really in their prime. Bradley Nowell's death helped them gain a lot more popularity outside of Southern California. And, it is very much obvious that it was all Bradley. Guy was a musical genius. The rest of the band were basically studio musicians compared to him. All of the music writing, lyrics, melodies was on Brad. Listen to the Long Beach All Stars, which is the bassist and drummer from Sublime with a few other guys and you quickly realize that Sublime was all Bradley Nowell.


As for Nirvana, I too felt they were overrated, but more so when it came to people calling them musical geniuses. There's a couple different ways at looking at them, their music and their impact on music. People have addressed much of that already in the thread. They were overrated musically. It's true Kurt couldn't sing all that well and especially their early stuff was about catchy melodies over power chords. But, their impact on music and rock is undeniable. I don't think their impact is at all overrated.

I never got into Radiohead. I was slowly transferring over to hip hop during the period they started getting popular. I don't really have an opinion on them. Early to mid 90s, I got heavily into East Coast hip hop and started listening to that exclusively. It wasn't until around 1997 that I started listening to other stuff again, but at that time it wasn't alternative rock, it was country, jazz, and funk as I had moved to New Orleans.

Red Hot Chili Peppers is an interesting one. I don't think they're overrated too much, but I do think some of the later work got more hype than it deserved. Their early music was unbelievable and groundbreaking. From Uplift Mofo through to Blood Sugar, I think they were making unbelievable music. I think it fell apart when Frusciante left and David Navarro came in for One Hot Minute (I believe that's what the album was called, but can't remember). Changed everything. I stopped listening to them after BSSM.

[Duff McCartney]

I agree that Radiohead is overrated. Mainly by their fans. They think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I think The Killers are a very underrated band though. In 20 years people will consider them one of the best bands of this generation. They make amazing albums and have some great songs, and their lyrics are really cool too.

[Drachen]

As for Nirvana, I too felt they were overrated, but more so when it came to people calling them musical geniuses. There's a couple different ways at looking at them, their music and their impact on music. People have addressed much of that already in the thread. They were overrated musically. It's true Kurt couldn't sing all that well and especially their early stuff was about catchy melodies over power chords. But, their impact on music and rock is undeniable. I don't think their impact is at all overrated.


This statement right here is why they are overrated. The fact that people believe this is proof that Nirvana as a band and Kurt as a person are overrated.

[stretch]

I agree that Radiohead is overrated. Mainly by their fans. They think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I think The Killers are a very underrated band though. In 20 years people will consider them one of the best bands of this generation. They make amazing albums and have some great songs, and their lyrics are really cool too.

:tu

[Soul_Patch]

Johnny Cash is overrated.

[ATRAIN]

I agree that Radiohead is overrated. Mainly by their fans. They think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I think The Killers are a very underrated band though. In 20 years people will consider them one of the best bands of this generation. They make amazing albums and have some great songs, and their lyrics are really cool too.

Radiohead is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[The Gemini Method]

I don't know if I could take serious a person who disparages Radiohead and then mentions The Killers in a positive light in the next utterance. But, as I'm so inclined to do--I respect his choice in music and that is how it should always be. Music is so damn essential for a good quality of life that if you like a certain genre or a band, go ahead and listen to them until you can't stand them. Fuck being overrated or underrated because in the end no one really gives a fuck about your musical taste anyways.

[Soul_Patch]

What does overrated even mean? arent all bands overrated by at least some grouping of people?

[The Gemini Method]

What does overrated even mean? arent all bands overrated by at least some grouping of people?

That's what I'm saying...the word overrated/underrated doesn't lend much to comparison. Who decides what is which? Is there a definitive meaning to either word? If so, did the "music gods" give you the right to call a musical act like that? I'm a huge "indie and eclectic" fan of music, but even snobs like Pitchfork.com and the like annoy the hell out of me when they try and determine what is "good" music.

[IronMexican]

What does overrated even mean? arent all bands overrated by at least some grouping of people?
I agree to an extent

Radiohead is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

:tu

[The Gemini Method]

Another mystery...is how did a Raider fan become a Radiohead fan? Hmm... ;)

[Soul_Patch]

I always thought these guys could be considered pretty overrated

http://991.com/newgallery/Menudo-Explosion-163507.jpg

But if i was a kid in mexico, i would probably thing differently.

[IronMexican]

Another mystery...is how did a Raider fan become a Radiohead fan? Hmm... ;)

You know when you hear greatness.

[The Gemini Method]

Though, I could imagine hearing Reckoner being played in the Black Hole...

[leemajors]

Bob Marley is overrated. Tosh and Bunny Wailer ftw.

[der Kaiser]

It's all about The Stones. One of the greatest Rock and Roll bands of ALL TIME! There is no denying this despite the fact that most of you weren't born before most of their biggest hits. They were instrumental in shaping rock music into what it has become today.

Dude the Stone have been utter shit since 1972. They really hit their peek in 1969, but once Brian Jones was shitted on by Mick and Keith, the Stones died.

I went to see them at the forum a couple of years ago and I wish they would have played the songs more like they did in the 60's with some soul and some panache, instead of having the bitches in th background singing a basterdised version of satisfaction.

The Beatles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stones

[Kyle Orton]

Dude the Stone have been utter shit since 1972. They really hit their peek in 1969, but once Brian Jones was shitted on by Mick and Keith, the Stones died.

I went to see them at the forum a couple of years ago and I wish they would have played the songs more like they did in the 60's with some soul and some panache, instead of having the bitches in th background singing a basterdised version of satisfaction.

The Beatles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stones

dets funny. you wanna talk about an overrated band.

[der Kaiser]

Yea, but at the same time, it makes music easier to get in to. I got into David Bowie after I got one of his greatest hits albums for a b-day, and immediately went out on got all of his other shit. It can be kind of overwhelming trying to get into a older group with a huge catalog of music. A greatest hits album sometimes can help point the way towards which albums to start out with. Although I get what your saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0tTvKj7ByA

What he said. ^

[ATRAIN]

What does overrated even mean? arent all bands overrated by at least some grouping of people?

I was thinking that too. Overrated by WHOM? The person posting, people who arent fans, critics? I think its all a bit ridiculous.

[leemajors]

I like a lot of overrated bands.

:elephant

[ATRAIN]

^^^ Ill take "Overrated" over crap like Buckethead any day of the fucking week.

[Cry Havoc]

You can tell a lot about a person by the music they listen to. And Fallout Boy is pretty fucking gay. I was never that good at math but even I can add this one up. That post had so many emo undertones even my wrists are bleeding right now. If faced with the choice of listening to a Fallout Boy album or being with that girl in the Miller Lite commercial who keeps asking the dude if he'd save her over his dog or his mom or his beer and then walks away when he hesitates on the beer part, I'd fucking marry that girl.

I can do this all day. Bad music is so easy to shit on. They ruined "Beat It". May they rot in hell.

Deuces.

This is easy to discuss.

How many "hard rock" or "metal" bands have written emo lyrics? Metallica has one of the most emo songs of all time in "The Unforgiven". If you were to put an acoustic set behind Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit", the lyrics become pretty emo themselves.

The list goes on. Smashing Pumpkins? Have you read the lyrics to Stand Inside your Love? Chevelle's "Am I Alone in Here"? Come up with a rock band and I can almost invariably start firing out songs they wrote which have incredibly emo lyrics.

It's funny how the term "emo" gets tossed about, and yet it seems to contain extremely common themes to all rock music. I guess because it doesn't have that synthesized guitar grind, it makes it that much less manly to talk about love and women. :lol

[leemajors]

^^^ Ill take "Overrated" over crap like Buckethead any day of the fucking week.

:lol

http://www.machovideo.com/videos.php?article=Weightlifter_fails_afterwards_1 7514

[Drachen]

Daler Mehndi is way over rated. I mean Tunac Tunac Tun?? Those lyrics don't even make sense.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JeWHGaz32O4/R8iVoC3p7CI/AAAAAAAAA6I/n2_jrz0I_Dk/s320/Daler+Mehndi.jpg

[ATRAIN]

This is easy to discuss.

How many "hard rock" or "metal" bands have written emo lyrics? Metallica has one of the most emo songs of all time in "The Unforgiven". If you were to put an acoustic set behind Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit", the lyrics become pretty emo themselves.

The list goes on. Smashing Pumpkins? Have you read the lyrics to Stand Inside your Love? Chevelle's "Am I Alone in Here"? Come up with a rock band and I can almost invariably start firing out songs they wrote which have incredibly emo lyrics.

It's funny how the term "emo" gets tossed about, and yet it seems to contain extremely common themes to all rock music. I guess because it doesn't have that synthesized guitar grind, it makes it that much less manly to talk about love and women. :lol

You are soooo emo Havoc.

[leemajors]

I thought the Black Album was terrible. I did enjoy Some Kind of Monster Though, that documentary is severely underrated.

[ATRAIN]

I thought the Black Album was terrible. I did enjoy Some Kind of Monster Though, that documentary is severely underrated.

I thought it was funny how they fucked Mustaine over 1 last time.

[leemajors]

I thought it was funny how they fucked Mustaine over 1 last time.

Seeing him cry was priceless. They should have a show called Band Therapy on VH1.

[ATRAIN]

Seeing him cry was priceless. They should have a show called Band Therapy on VH1.

He was so EMO hahahha

From Wikipedia

"Metallica asked for Dave Mustaine's approval to show footage of a 2001 interview between him and Ulrich, for Some Kind of Monster. Although Mustaine denied the request, he had signed a release form and Metallica proceeded to use the footage. Mustaine claims that it marked "the final betrayal," and that he has given up hope of ever recording with or becoming friends with Metallica members."

:lmao poor bastard

[urunobili]

I thought it was funny how they fucked Mustaine over 1 last time.

:lmao

though the most current overrated band is Megadeth / Fall Out Boy

[Muser]

AC/DC, I still like them, but I really can't listen to them for over 3/4 songs.

[slayermin]

You'd better Run to the Hills after that comment.

:lol

I would never state it in public. I think Maiden fans are awesome. Their roadies bought me a guinness at Waxy's on the RiverWalk when they were in town.

I'm just not a big fan of their music. No doubt they are great musicians.

[Cry Havoc]

You are soooo emo Havoc.

What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of me slitting my own wrists. :depressed

[midnightpulp]

but I have the history to back me up on both fronts. There is no band to bring ambient and avant-garde styles into rock music before Radiohead. There is no history before them. The Beatles recorded tracks, but didn't release them, and when they did it sounded awful. Radiohead made it a style, and that style is what Alternative music is today. That style is what you hear in Coldplay, Muse, The Killers, MGMT and the thousands of other bands that are out now. Radiohead changed music.



Old thread, I know. But I have to comment on this:

See Krautrock. And see David Bowie's late 70s experimental period.

[redzero]

Old thread, I know. But I have to comment on this:

See Krautrock. And see David Bowie's late 70s experimental period.

Low in particular.

[Drachen]

Nirvana was the 1st major Seattle scene band to break through and get major radio play. I think they're the worst of the big ones from that era with AIC being the best followed by Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, but Nirvana broke through first. That effectively ended major radio play for hair metal and stuff like Poison and Faster Pussycat.

WRONG. Ten Dropped before Nevermind, and outsold Nevermind (both then and now). I realize that Nirvana had an album before Nevermind, however you are talking about "breaking through." Oh and yes, I am old enough to have "been there." I do however agree wholeheartedly with your list. That is exactly how I list the bands from that era/genre. AIC, Soundgarden/Pearl Jam (I go back and forth on my ranking of these two), then Nirvana.

[Drachen]

Chilli Peppers is not any form of punk.

It's more like White guilt angst angry no soul, no wang punk.

Funk, not punk. Also, I would beg to differ here since George Clinton, after some initial reservations about a white funk band, personally thanked the Chili Peppers for reviving Funk once he listened to their music. Stevie Wonder has also made similar comments.

[rjv]

guns n roses

[admiralsnackbar]

Old thread, I know. But I have to comment on this:

See Krautrock. And see David Bowie's late 70s experimental period.

Also: Talk Talk was doing Radiohead's shtick before Radiohead existed.

[Drachen]

Aerosmith is highly overrated, especially Walk This Way with Run DMC. Johnny Lydon and Afrika Bambaata had already broken down that barrier with the far superior World Destruction.

I know people will get on my for even bringing this up but I like techno music too, and I heard a song where Afrika Bambaata collaborated with a techno "group" called uberzone on a song called 2 kool 4 skool. It was a sonic revelation. I loved that song.

[DAF86]

The Rolling Stones

[Ignignokt]

Ewwweeh heh heh he

If it wasn't for Nirvana, we would have never had 16 stones or Razorblade suitcase come out as bad ass grunge broski albums, breh!

[DAF86]

Green day and The Ramones too.

[IronMexican]

Most people would have to think Greenday is a good band.

[DAF86]

Most people would have to think Greenday is a good band.

I like some of their songs but thanks to "American Idiot" they got a reputation that they don't deserve.

[leemajors]

Ewwweeh heh heh he

If it wasn't for Nirvana, we would have never had 16 stones or Razorblade suitcase come out as bad ass grunge broski albums, breh!

And Gavin and whats her face may have never met!

[Drachen]

And Gavin and whats her face may have never met!

And she wouldn't have gone solo to make much worse, much more annoying music.

[DisAsTerBot]

Most people would have to think Greenday is a good band.

hmmm, most people under 21 maybe...

[Viva Las Espuelas]

guns n roses

+1 to the nth degree times infinity

[Drachen]

hmmm, most people under 21 maybe...

I think that for people over 21, that they were doomed by their success. They were REALLY overplayed in the mid-90s.

I still like them I just didn't listen to those CDs for a long time after it died down. Now I will listen to a few of the older songs and dont cringe.

[marini martini]

The Rolling Stones


Amen!!!

:sick

[Cane]

Nirvana takes this one easily. Mainly revered due to Cobain committing suicide and MTV jumping all over that shit.

[silverblk mystix]

ALL rap and ALL hip-hop is way overrated and is complete garbage...but I mean that in a really nice way...

Radiohead...complete and utter garbage and no talent whatsoever.

Nirvana..didn't suck as much and I completely understood their impact...but were still way overrated.

Anyone on M-TV and VH-1 from like 1993 and after...complete fucking garbage...

When I look at music it is ALL ABOUT THE SONGS-PERIOD.

We are talking melodies,lyrics,arrangements and musicianship.

Rap and all that garbage is not about musicianship it is talking over a fuckin' canned beat---where is the fuckin' talent in pushing a fuckin' button and then waiting for the fuckin' drum beat-can beat-hand-clap-fuckin' -moaning-shit to start

and then talking over it in stupid fucking rhymes about wanna-be macho-wannabe thuggish-wannabe fuckin playa' garbage....where is the fucking talent in that---pick up a fucking instrument and then come talk to me about fuckin' music.

Radiohead is nonsense...where is the fucking song structure---who the fuck is that overrated geek who is whining over that fuckin computerized programmed pile of fucking noise they call fuckin' music?

Videos...now THERE'S some fuckin' talent....in what I DON'T FUCKIN' KNOW OR CARE...
YEAH....can you look at the camera and lick your lips-and then try these tricky fuckin choreographed steps that REYNALDO worked on for 6 months for you to shake your ass like a fuckin monkey on crack and coke...wow...there is some fuckin talent....

there you have the fuckin state of music today...MOST of it highly fuckin' OVERRATED...


RANT OVER

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I think that for people over 21, that they were doomed by their success. They were REALLY overplayed in the mid-90s.

I still like them I just didn't listen to those CDs for a long time after it died down. Now I will listen to a few of the older songs and dont cringe.
I agree. I have alot of friends my age that love this band. They were campy at first but now they're apart of the machine. They've sold their souls. I also think being played as the last song on seinfeld's finale didn't help their much needed trail off into the sunset move. Oh well, they're living the dream and I'll give them that much.

[silverblk mystix]

where the fuck are my MEDS!

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Rap and all that garbage is not about musicianship it is talking over a fuckin' canned beat---where is the fuckin' talent in pushing a fuckin' button and then waiting for the fuckin' drum beat-can beat-hand-clap-fuckin' -moaning-shit to start

and then talking over it in stupid fucking rhymes about wanna-be macho-wannabe thuggish-wannabe fuckin playa' garbage....where is the fucking talent in that---pick up a fucking instrument and then come talk to me about fuckin' music.


Amen, brah. I agree with you. Just not as intense as you :lol I label all that stuff glorified karaoke cuz that's all it is. There's 3 parts to a rap song. The beat. The vocals and the annoying sound in the background.





Also I think radiohead is pretty good. And there are diamonds in the rough in today's music. All hope isn't lost. :)

[marini martini]

where the fuck are my MEDS!



Never heard them!!!:lol

[DisAsTerBot]

I think that for people over 21, that they were doomed by their success. They were REALLY overplayed in the mid-90s.

I still like them I just didn't listen to those CDs for a long time after it died down. Now I will listen to a few of the older songs and dont cringe.

exactly....
the dookie album is still ok to hear....
but as someone else mentioned, post seinfeld last show....they havent put out anything decent

[mrsmaalox]

Well everyone is going to consider anything that doesn't suit their own personal taste as "overrated" especially if they have widespread appeal. Right now, for me, that band is Kings of Leon.

And from the past I would definitely go with the Stones. Their expiration date was sometime in the mid-70's.

[Ignignokt]

Nirvana did not change anything. THe seattle music scene was already established and record executives went there to look for a marketable band and found Nirvana. Soundgarden and Pearl Jam were already well established there and doing their own thing, plus they are and were the better of the seattle bands.

But that's not to say that Nirvana wasn't talented, they were talented in a different way in that if you were to listen to In Utero, you can hear Kurt Cobain painting with dissonance and emotional inflection whith the depravity of his soul. It actually showed him to be an awful human being, but that is art by any definition because it depicted his values and his virtues for good or bad.

What u heard in "IN UTERO" was a man that had ceased to exist before his fatal suicide. You heard a man that was depraved morally and was a slave to his whims and uncertain emotional balance. You also heard his misplaced anger and frustration.

You don't get to hear that with Muse or any other bands, what you hear is pretension and a strive to find a niche, even though muse is way more talented than the core of Nirvana. Although if you listened to Dave Grohl's foo Fighters, that's a pedgogical excorcise in how to drive a rock band. Dave Grohl was a rock genius and a musical genius, but mainly more rock.

Now, Nickelback sucks because they're art is not art if you can call it. It's superficial, they know it, and they're just happy making records and having a good time, you could say that about alot of 70's rock, and that in essence is also rock n roll. I don't hate Nickelback but i can understand some of the hate for them, it's because they've garnered a bunch of unwarranted success.

[CuckingFunt]

I agree. I have alot of friends my age that love this band. They were campy at first but now they're apart of the machine. They've sold their souls. I also think being played as the last song on seinfeld's finale didn't help their much needed trail off into the sunset move. Oh well, they're living the dream and I'll give them that much.

"Good Riddance" ruined Green Day forever. One of the most cloying, annoying songs in recent memory.

"Dookie" is a solid album and one that I still listen to often, but I hate, HATE, everything they've done since "Good Riddance" turned into such a big hit. That album (except for "Hitchin' a Ride," which I think is a great song) is generally pretty shitty and stood out to me as a turning point for the band. I never would have thought they would get consistently more and more popular as their music got worse and worse.

Red Hot Chili Peppers is in a similar situation for me. I don't think their early stuff is at all overrated. Or underrated, really. They were a fun funk band, and "Blood Sugar Sex Magic" is a legitimately good album. But I really don't like anything they released after "Californication" (which itself is far below their best stuff), yet that's exactly when they got mega popular and became known outside of the alternative genre.

[Drachen]

exactly....
the dookie album is still ok to hear....
but as someone else mentioned, post seinfeld last show....they havent put out anything decent


I like Boulevard of Broken dreams, and I think American Idiot is just kinda getting back to their roots. I will admit that I haven't listened to anything other than what was on the radio from them for a while, but I do still listen to them.

[Muser]

True about Green Day, tbh Hitchin' a Ride is probably my favorite song of theirs. Nimrod in general did suck though..Then came Warning which really showed they were moving towards the eyeliner and shitty music. The less said about after Warning the better.

[DisAsTerBot]

Nirvana did not change anything. THe seattle music scene was already established and record executives went there to look for a marketable band and found Nirvana. Soundgarden and Pearl Jam were already well established there and doing their own thing, plus they are and were the better of the seattle bands.

But that's not to say that Nirvana wasn't talented, they were talented in a different way in that if you were to listen to In Utero, you can hear Kurt Cobain painting with dissonance and emotional inflection whith the depravity of his soul. It actually showed him to be an awful human being, but that is art by any definition because it depicted his values and his virtues for good or bad.

What u heard in "IN UTERO" was a man that had ceased to exist before his fatal suicide. You heard a man that was depraved morally and was a slave to his whims and uncertain emotional balance. You also heard his misplaced anger and frustration.

You don't get to hear that with Muse or any other bands, what you hear is pretension and a strive to find a niche, even though muse is way more talented than the core of Nirvana. Although if you listened to Dave Grohl's foo Fighters, that's a pedgogical excorcise in how to drive a rock band. Dave Grohl was a rock genius and a musical genius, but mainly more rock.

Now, Nickelback sucks because they're art is not art if you can call it. It's superficial, they know it, and they're just happy making records and having a good time, you could say that about alot of 70's rock, and that in essence is also rock n roll. I don't hate Nickelback but i can understand some of the hate for them, it's because they've garnered a bunch of unwarranted success.

good post

[DisAsTerBot]

I think American Idiot is just kinda getting back to their roots.

that was a huge problem for me.....mainly because their roots are so basic, it sounds like they're not even trying. 4 power chords, a slogan, done. As aging musicians you'd like to see more effort than basically appeasing the masses...

[Muser]

American Idiot sounds nothing like their roots, nothing.

[CuckingFunt]

American Idiot sounds nothing like their roots, nothing.

This.

That album is painfully pretentious. Painfully. And this is coming from someone with a pretty high tolerance for pretension.

[Drachen]

that was a huge problem for me.....mainly because their roots are so basic, it sounds like they're not even trying. 4 power chords, a slogan, done. As aging musicians you'd like to see more effort than basically appeasing the masses...


Fair enough, but almost all (long lasting) bands have a period when they go back to their roots. Unfortunately for GD, their roots lie in Punk which in and of itself is pretty simplistic from a musical standpoint. Its more about the message.

Side Rant: I can't stand punk culture, its stupid and paradoxical. They want to spread the message of anarchy or general raging against the system . They want this message to be spread to everyone so that their ideals can be implemented. However if one of their own does any kind of a good job spreading their ideals, then they have sold out and are no longer true to whatever fraternity they believe they have.

Side Side rant: Some of them don't even know what anarchy means. I asked a few (just out of curiosity) if they could explain why they thought that Anarchy would be a good form of "government." Then they went on to explain communism. When I told them this, they denied it vehemently. When I brought out proof, then told them what anarchy is, they just stared blankly at each other. I understand that kids are stupid, but if you are going to break my shit because you think that this exemplifies something, at least know what that something is that you are trying to exemplify.

/side side rant
/side rant

[Drachen]

American Idiot sounds nothing like their roots, nothing.

When I say roots, I am talking simple music/simple political message.

[leemajors]

Fair enough, but almost all (long lasting) bands have a period when they go back to their roots. Unfortunately for GD, their roots lie in Punk which in and of itself is pretty simplistic from a musical standpoint. Its more about the message.

Side Rant: I can't stand punk culture, its stupid and paradoxical. They want to spread the message of anarchy or general raging against the system . They want this message to be spread to everyone so that their ideals can be implemented. However if one of their own does any kind of a good job spreading their ideals, then they have sold out and are no longer true to whatever fraternity they believe they have.

Side Side rant: Some of them don't even know what anarchy means. I asked a few (just out of curiosity) if they could explain why they thought that Anarchy would be a good form of "government." Then they went on to explain communism. When I told them this, they denied it vehemently. When I brought out proof, then told them what anarchy is, they just stared blankly at each other. I understand that kids are stupid, but if you are going to break my shit because you think that this exemplifies something, at least know what that something is that you are trying to exemplify.

/side side rant
/side rant

It's a derivative of avant garde culture. Unlike the rest of avant garde (generally speaking) including jazz, visual art, written art (by this I mean Brecht, Lautreamount and the like) they neglected to learn fully what they were breaking, recreating, and rebelling against. They just took the anarchy thing and ran with it. Chaos for chaos' sake instead of chaos as continual creation. Highly generalized of course.

[Drachen]

Seems to me that death metal would be a more appropriate medium for that thought process, but since I am not an expert on death metal, I may be insulting death metal.


Thanks for the history lesson though, I found that interesting.

[TE]

Disturbed, this band takes the fucking cake with the overrated tab.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm gonna get killed for this.

Iron Maiden

Gotta disagree with you there.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Gotta disagree with you there.

+ a number too big to display.

They also have the Jeff Porcaro of metal playing for them. A big influence on my playing.

[Venti Quattro]

Green Day

[badfish22]

Bob Marley, Tool (by some people), 2pac

[Venti Quattro]

Tool? I think they're vastly underrated.

APC is overrated though.

[chreph]

Tool (by some people)

Agreed. They could do just about anything and the "Maynard is God" following will find a way to justify it as an act of genius.

[redzero]

Can - WTF is this shit? Seriously?
Arcade Fire
My Chemical Romance - Why do people even like them?

[badfish22]

:lol My Chemical Romance. I haven't heard that name in a couple years.

[IronMaxipad]

Green Day
Sum 41
SOAD
BLink 182
Coldplay
MCR
Fallout Boy
Radiohead (overrated by that beaner)
Foo Fighters
QOTSA
Slipknot
Maroon 5

etc. etc..

[Kamala]

Bon Jovi

[The Reckoning]

U2

hate those fuckers

and bruce springsteen

fuck...:pctoss

[leemajors]

Can - WTF is this shit? Seriously?
Arcade Fire
My Chemical Romance - Why do people even like them?

Can is underappreciated, not overrated. Tago mago, Ege bamyasi, and Future Days are all classic albums. I don't particularly care for their stuff after Suzuki left, but a lot of bands owe a lot to Can, namely Radiohead. You can not like krautrock, but there is no denying its influence.

[Blackjack]

Honestly, I gave up on the music scene almost, well actually, a decade ago. I'm happy when I can turn on a radio and find something I can tolerate.

So, I honestly couldn't tell you who is overrated. But just from my own personal tastes, I've never understood how passionate the followings were for Radiohead, Green Day and Smashing Pumpkins.

Radiohead I can stand and respect them for what they are (for the most part); Pumpkins I think has some talent, I just can't stand them; and I'll never understand Green Day -- had they just had a handful of catchy songs that gained them notoriety for a period of time, I could understand that. But they've become rock and roll royalty to some and that I'll never comprehend.

I'm sure I could get on my soapbox and come up with more but those three have gotten a lot of mention so they're at my mind's forefront.

[redzero]

Speaking of overrated, Arcade Fire is about to play in Madison Square Garden.

Stream: http://www.youtube.com/arcadefirevevo?feature=ticker

[IronMexican]

Great fucking band:cry

[IronMexican]

I hate Rococo so much. Made up for it with some Neon Bible, though.

[redzero]

I hate Rococo so much. Made up for it with some Neon Bible, though.

Rococo Rococo Rococo cococococococococococococococococococococococo

[redzero]

Ah, Rebellion (Lies)--one of the two worthwhile songs on Funeral.

[IronMexican]

Rebellion

Great fucking song:cry

[IronMexican]

Still gonna get some Sprawl II, and hopefully more Neon Bible.

[IronMexican]

Nevermind. Only like 1 song after this. Gimme Sprawl II, though.

[IronMexican]

Awww yeah

[redzero]

A dollar from each ticket is going to Haiti?

Arcade Fire are my fucking heroes :cry

[IronMexican]

A dollar from each ticket is going to Haiti?

Arcade Fire are my fucking heroes :cry

Win is a great fucking guy.


They killed the whole fucking set.

[IronMexican]

Some Tunnelz

[redzero]

All right, play Wake Up now so I can go back to listening to Morrissey.

http://i27.tinypic.com/2n7pd1e.gif

[IronMexican]

Tunnels, Sprawl II and Wake Up. Be an awesome encore.

[SnakeBoy]

You see and hear a lot of people say Metallica is overrated, yet they still sellout arenas across the world.

+1. I like the quote from one of them..."Yes, we do sell out, every single time, everywhere we play."

[IronMexican]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck yeahhhh

[redzero]

I hate the fact that the quality keeps switching between good and shit.

[IronMexican]

Lmao

[IronMexican]

She doesn't sound nearly as good as Win live.

[redzero]

>implying that Win sounds good live

[IronMexican]

I guess great would be a better word.

[redzero]

Finally, Wake Up.

[IronMexican]

Tunnels, Sprawl II and Wake Up. Be an awesome encore.

Ironstradaumus.

[Dinamita]

That was better then sex

:cry

[Sense]

I loved it...

I hope they keep doing things like this

[The Gemini Method]

My stream conked out midway through...but the finale with Wake Up as the closer wasn't much of a surprise...

Brilliant though and I will be there, as I was when they last performed in L.A., enjoying this shit.

[PublicOption]

All right, play Wake Up now so I can go back to listening to Morrissey.

http://i27.tinypic.com/2n7pd1e.gif



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[Fabbs]

Snoop Doggy Doo

Just saw posuer boi in the new video with Katy Perry.
Just when i thought he couldn't get any lamer. :lmao

[Muser]

Rofl who else saw Snoop "Cover" Sad but True?

[Blackjack]

Rofl who else saw Snoop "Cover" Sad but True?


Upstaged/outdone by Avril Lavigne's "Fuel." :depressed

[Muser]

Upstaged/outdone by Avril Lavigne's "Fuel." :depressed

The sad thing was her band didn't do a bad job, she just sucked so much ass.