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timvp
01-07-2010, 06:34 AM
In the last ten games, the Spurs had an opportunity to fatten up their win column -- and they did just that. Victorious in eight of the contests, the Spurs won by an average of 14.8 points per game. In the ten games, the average score was 102-91.

The two losses came against the Blazers and the Raptors. While the Raptors game was somewhat understandable since it was the sixth game in nine days, the Blazers game was very disappointing. Against a short-handed team, the Spurs laid an egg in front of the AT&T Center crowd.

Overall, it's difficult to be too excited or too disappointed by this stretch. None of the games were against premium opponents and the Spurs were able to come out on top in eight. Ho hum.

Tim Duncan
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30:53 minutes, 19.3 points, 9.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 1.20 blocks, 2.0 turnovers
54.3% from the field, 75.9% at the line

Tim Duncan's impressive campaign continues. Despite playing less minutes, Duncan has been able to put up his standard 20 points and 10 boards. His field goal percentage is at a career best mark, he's shooting well from the line and he's scoring as well as he ever has at any point in his career.

Perhaps just as important as the way he's playing, Duncan is starting to regain respect from coaches around the league. In the last ten games or so, we've seen many more squads send double-teams as a part of their gameplan. To begin the season, most teams were playing him one-on-one.

My only gripe with Duncan right now is his passing isn't as crisp as we've seen in the past. He has a tendency to hold the ball in the post too long and isn't responding swiftly to double teams. That said, he'll assuredly remember how to make those passes if teams keep sending help his way. Duncan's rebounding is also down a bit recently, though that likely is due to playing more minutes with DeJuan Blair.

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Manu Ginobili
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28:02 minutes, 12.2 points, 4.7 assists, 4.0 rebounds, 1.7 steals, 1.3 turnovers
44.1% field, 32.4% (12-for-37) on three-pointers, 96.6% (28-for-29) at the line

His stats don't jump off the screen but there's one thing to really be excited about: Manu Ginobili is finishing at the basket again. He began the season just 23-for-54 on shots at the rim. In the last ten games, he's 21-for-34. That's a huge increase in both accuracy and quantity, which is a fantastic sign that Ginobili is gaining confidence and explosiveness in his legs.

Ginobili's passing has been amazing in the past ten games. He is once again the quarterback of the second unit and he's playing that role to perfection. The fact that he's running the court and driving to the basket more often has opened up more passing opportunities and Ginobili has consistently delivered. Spurs fans should also be excited about his rebounding, his high number of steals and his relatively low number of turnovers.

Ginobili being at top form is simply life or death when it comes to San Antonio's championship hopes. When he's playing at his best, the Spurs are a championship contender. When he's hobbled or not playing well, they aren't. In other words, Ginobili remains the team's ultimate X-factor. At times, he still seems to holding back and not completely healthy ... but all that can be done is hope that he can survive the season and still have juice for the playoffs.

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Tony Parker
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32:11 minutes, 17.3 points, 5.8 assists, 2.0 rebounds, 2.1 turnovers
49.6% from the field, 25% (1-for-4) on three-pointers, 68.9% (42-for-61) at the line

Compared to last season, Tony Parker is still underwhelming. His stats are down and his energy level has been inconsistent. Sometimes he'll play like the it's May; sometimes he'll play like he's in a summer league game. The good news is that he seems to be progressing in the right direction. His energy lapses are becoming more infrequent and it appears he is figuring out how to use the weapons around him.

The biggest improvement in the last ten games has been his turnovers. In the previous ten games, he averaged 4.2 turnovers per game. Cutting his turnovers in half has helped the offense regain Spurs-like consistency. When Parker isn't turning the ball over, his teammates usually also take care of the ball -- and vice versa.

While Parker is finishing at the rim at a high level, his jumpshot hasn't yet arrived for the 2009-2010 season. His jets are also at less than 100%. Thankfully, Parker has a history of improving both of those aspects as the season goes along. I remain confident that his best play of the season is forthcoming.

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Richard Jefferson
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28:55 minutes, 12.8 points, 3.0 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 0.9 turnovers
53.3% from the field, 38.1% (8-for-21) on three-pointers, 81.5% (22-for-27) at the line

Is it time to start changing Richard Jefferson's expectations? Coming into the season, Jefferson was supposed to pick up the slack the Big 3 could no longer carry due to age, wear and tear. But with Duncan playing so well, in addition to Parker and Ginobili not exactly shying away from creating, Jefferson isn't really getting the opportunities to produce on a consistent basis. Plus, with a deep set of role players who can put points on the board, Jefferson's offense isn't needed every night.

In the last ten games, Jefferson has taken advantage of his touches on offense. He's shooting well from the field, from beyond the arc and even at the free throw line. Jefferson is making plays for others while rarely turning the ball over. He could score more but who do you want to take shots from? Using Jefferson to the maximum of his capabilities isn't as easy as it appears on paper.

Even if you want to look at Jefferson's production as a glass half full, his lack of rebounding jumps off the page as a negative. For being as big as he is, there's no excuse for him to average such a low number of boards. His defense has also been shaky at times -- specifically his transition defense. Once the schedule gets more difficult, it'll be easier to figure out what exactly the Spurs need from Jefferson to be an elite team.

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Keith Bogans
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21:40 minutes, 5.9 points, 2.7 rebounds, 1.7 assists
51.3% from the field, 54.2% (13-for-24) on three-pointers, 100.0% (6-for-6) at the line

Defensively, I've been pretty happy with Keith Bogans over the last ten games. Although he tends to foul at inopportune times and lacks the length and quickness we came to expect from Bruce Bowen, Bogans' bulldog mentality makes the Spurs a much better defensive team when he's on the court.

Offensively, I don't know what to think. I'm surprised by how well he's shooting -- especially lately. This is a guy who entered the season as a sub-40% shooter from the field. Some shooters have shot better with the Spurs due to playing with a dominating inside force for the first time in their career but that's not the case with Bogans -- he's played with Dwight Howard, Yao Ming and Emeka Okafor for most of his career. Chances are high that he'll hit another slump and his shooting numbers will retreat to his career averages. If he keeps shooting how he is now? There's no way you take him out of the starting lineup for the rest of the year.

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DeJuan Blair
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22:14 minutes, 7.7 points, 6.7 rebounds, 1.0 assists, 1.9 turnovers
52.5% from the field, 53.6% (15-for-28) at the line


DeJuan Blair has started eight of the last ten games and he's performed admirably. Heading into the season, I though Blair's ceiling was a high energy seventh or eighth man. As it stands, he looks like a long-term starter at center. Although playing him with the starters sometimes results in Blair getting in early foul trouble, there really isn't any other negative about the current starting alignment.

Defensively, Blair has gone from major liability to solid in record time. He plays good post defense, quality perimeter defense and even has been a pretty darn good help defender. On offense, he sets tough screens and knows how to roll to the basket like a ten-year vet. There's really not much to nitpick with Blair anymore.

It'll be interesting to see how long Blair remains the starter. Since he lacks an outside jumper, Pop may eventually opt for a player who can spread the defense more to open up driving lines. But personally, I'm on the bandwagon to start Blair the rest of the year. Coming out of the gates with toughness, rebounding and energy is a nice (and needed) jolt for this team.

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Antonio McDyess
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19:06 minutes, 5.8 points, 5.6 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 1.2 turnovers
54.7% from the field, 0.0% (0-for-3) at the line

Antonio McDyess is the rare NBA player who is on record as saying he prefers to come off the bench. His play with the Spurs this year backs up that claim. He started only two of the last ten games -- and his two worst games in that stretch were the two games he started.

Another reason to bring McDyess off the bench is how well he plays with Ginobili. McDyess likes to shoot from certain spots on the floor and Ginobili has been the best player on the team at finding him in those spots.

Overall, McDyess still has improving to do before he lives up to his contract. His numbers over the last ten games have been acceptable but his impact from night to night has largely been disappointing. Hopefully we'll see McDyess' play pick up as the Spurs head to the midpoint of the season.

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Roger Mason, Jr.
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24:59 minutes, 11.0 point, 3.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists
51.8% from the field, 46.2% (18-for-39) on three-pointers, 100.0% (6-for-6) at the line

Quietly, Roger Mason, Jr. has played really well over the last ten games. Not only is he shooting well again, Mason is showing growth in other areas. He's rebounding much better, he has been able to drive the ball to the basket to keep the defense honest, he's creating for others, he's playing passable defense and he's limiting his turnovers. With Michael Finley out of the lineup, Mason has stepped into his role and is playing it at a high level.

I know Spurs fans are in a wait-and-see mode with Mason since he faltered at the end of last season and stunk it up to begin this season but his last ten games showed a lot of promise. This team needs Mason's ability to shoot and make plays from the bench. Let's hope he can find a groove and become a consistent weapon.

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George Hill
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20:53 minutes, 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 2.6 assists
39.7% from the field, 33.3% (6-for-18) on three-pointers, 73.7% (14-for-19) at the line

George Hill has been up and down in the last ten games but there are some good signs if you look closely. He's fouling less, he's playing more consistent defense, he's making more plays and he's starting to rebound the ball once again. When Hill plays solid D and rebounds, he's a major asset on the defensive end of the court.

Scoring-wise, Hill has changed his focus a few times this year. He began the year shooting a lot of threes, then he started looking to draw as many fouls as possible, then he tried to score via his midrange jumper and now he's driving the ball to the bucket looking to finish. The bad part about the recent version of Hill is his scoring efficiency is down since he's not making many threes and he's not getting to the line very often.

All in all, Hill just needs to keep playing hard on the defensive end and transfer his aggressiveness from that end to the other end. Hesitancy is almost always his biggest enemy on the offensive end. When he operates like he knows what he's doing, he becomes a quality player who can help out in nearly every area of the game.

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Danny.Zhu
01-07-2010, 07:00 AM
Game thoughts come again.:toast

dastrey
01-07-2010, 07:08 AM
The Spurs show flashes of brilliance but are unable to sustain it for 48 minutes. At this point in the season it is pretty disappointing. Then again, there hasn't really been a dominating team in the NBA this year. I still think the Spurs are a lengthy defender away from being a serious threat. They simply don't have a player capable of making Kobe, Melo, Dirk work for their shots.

TJastal
01-07-2010, 07:25 AM
From what I've seen, Roger Mason's defense the past 10 games is far better than "passable". He's playing better defense than anyone on the spurs right now IMO. We can only hope Poopovich won't bench him or even reduce his minutes once Finley returns but one thing I've learned is there is no given with Poop when it comes to his endless tinkering with things that are working already.

SpurNation
01-07-2010, 07:28 AM
Bogans is a lot like Bowen in the sense that he was a relatively unknown player in the league until joining the Spurs.

And much like Bowen...Bogans is beginning to establish his role quite effectively. Maybe not at the same level yet...but definately getting there.

If Blair starting means Duncan not rebounding as much but shooting more efficiently...I'd take that everyday and twice on Sunday. It will help in allowing Timmy in not having to do as much during his minutes on the court thus help keep Duncan from wearing down as much for the rest of the season.

May we all pray Ginobili remains healthy as he is looking more and more like vintage Manu.

TDMVPDPOY
01-07-2010, 07:37 AM
last 10 games we shouldve been 10-0 run

fkn pop v raptors mind games costs us a win....

as long we can get half the teams contribution from the bench, every game is winnable....

cause we know timmay d is going to bring his A game every nite

Brazil
01-07-2010, 08:06 AM
Yes ! thank you timvp !

My two biggest disappointments in these 10 games: Dice and Hill. I know Dice is slow starter but right now Blair > Dice which is quite surprising.

Duncan21kid
01-07-2010, 08:23 AM
cheers bud, awesome read :D

timvp
01-07-2010, 08:27 AM
Roger Mason's defense the past 10 games is far better than "passable". He's playing better defense than anyone on the spurs right now IMO.
Whoa. I'll have to disagree with that.

Last season, RMJ was a poor defensively player -- especially against quick players. This year, I think he's building towards average. But I'm going to have to shy away from saying RMJ is a better defender than Duncan and Bogans.

raspsa
01-07-2010, 08:39 AM
Whatever mason did during the offseason, its paying dividends. He's playing looser, more relaxed.. and not forcing things now that he doesn't have to worry about being a PG. His stroke is deadly and he's displayed welcome versatility in his passing, taking it to the rim and defense. He's a defiinite asset and I only hope the Spurs manage to hang on to him.

urunobili
01-07-2010, 08:43 AM
Dice will turn it up a notch when it matters... thanks timvp! :tu

No comments on Pop :stirpot:

Would have liked to see some words on the scrubs too...

Phenomanul
01-07-2010, 08:52 AM
Great read... :tu

Hopefully Parker also regains his touch from the line...

portnoy1
01-07-2010, 09:02 AM
Great read... :tu

Hopefully Parker also regains his touch from the line...
Hopefully Parker learns to pass.

Civilfatman
01-07-2010, 09:38 AM
Thanks TIMVP. Great read.

I 've really have missed your Game Thoughts.

MagnusKrauss
01-07-2010, 09:54 AM
Regarding George Hill, I think that playing with a new crew (relatively), has thrown him off with his offense. We all know that he's been polishing that corner three for a while now (a Spurs guard requirement?) but playing with RJ, Blair, and the rest of the guys is making him a bit hesitant to use his drive.

I dunno, but that's what I think.

Mark in Austin
01-07-2010, 10:00 AM
Thanks timvp. Blair's learning curve has been really surprising. Perhaps the most exciting thing about this team is how much better he'll be in another two months.

Have you heard anything about durability issues / concerns? I think we all see a guy built like an 18-wheeler and we assume he's bulletproof (he's certainly looked like it) but are the trainers doing any special monitoring of his knees / legs?

Phenomanul
01-07-2010, 10:30 AM
Thanks timvp. Blair's learning curve has been really surprising. Perhaps the most exciting thing about this team is how much better he'll be in another two months.

Have you heard anything about durability issues / concerns? I think we all see a guy built like an 18-wheeler and we assume he's bulletproof (he's certainly looked like it) but are the trainers doing any special monitoring of his knees / legs?

Really good question...

Does anybody remember the play where he tripped over Kevin Love as they dove for a ball? The way he landed on that leg would likely have hurt most normal people... His legs look that strong...

Brazil
01-07-2010, 10:33 AM
Hopefully Parker learns to pass.

you never fail to deliver pornoying

EricB
01-07-2010, 10:35 AM
I still favor the idea of mcdyess closing games. Especially against Dallas. He's the best Dirk defender since Malik rose.

ffadicted
01-07-2010, 10:38 AM
Whoa. I'll have to disagree with that.

Last season, RMJ was a poor defensively player -- especially against quick players. This year, I think he's building towards average. But I'm going to have to shy away from saying RMJ is a better defender than Duncan and Bogans.

I'll agree with that, but won't compared him to Duncan because they play different positions. I'd love to see RMJ get tenacious on D like Bongans does. To me, when looking simply at skill, Bogans is an average defender. It's his effort, hustle and 100% effort 100% of the time that warrants him the credit of being a good defender. Seeing Mason like that on the defensive end would be godly.

silverblackfan
01-07-2010, 10:45 AM
Thanks for the recap Timvp. It's always a relatively thoughtful and accurate analysis from you.
I have to agree with some of the other posters that Mason's defense is much better than passible. Better than Tim, Bogans, Hill or Manu is a stretch, but he is playing great moving his feet and bodying up without drawing the dumb fouls like earlier in the season.
His offensive work is also impressive and I am also hoping the Spurs keep him.
Funny how last night the Piston announcers remarked that Mason looked jacked up and ready to shoot after a drive to the basket. I think one of the best things about RMJ is that he looks like a cold eyed shooter all the time. That keeps his defender on him and off the double teams. Best of all, he makes them pay when they slack off.

portnoy1
01-07-2010, 10:47 AM
you never fail to deliver pornoyingIts all good, but try to deny it. You cant!!! Heck, not even Mike Taylor from STSA ticket 760 could deny it when I threw that at him.

wildbill2u
01-07-2010, 10:56 AM
Which game was it that Parker was kept out of the lane by a collapsing zone and he continued to shoot bricks from outside. I think he was something like 2-17.

You'd think he wouldve learned by now to give up the ball when the shots aren't falling and they take away your strength.

Mel_13
01-07-2010, 10:57 AM
Its all good, but try to deny it. You cant!!! Heck, not even Mike Taylor from STSA ticket 760 could deny it when I threw that at him.

:lol

I won't argue with you about Tony, but using Mike Taylor to validate your take is amusing.

Chieflion
01-07-2010, 11:00 AM
And people say I hate Parker. How lame.

Bruno
01-07-2010, 11:02 AM
Nice analysis. :tu

Even if they played mostly against bad teams, Spurs are looking better than they did few weeks ago. Spurs are a damn good offensive team and there are still room for improvement.

However, there is one stat that is plain scary:
Spurs are right now 15th in the league for points allowed in the paint with 41.2 pts/game. That's bad and it's even worse when you also consider that Spurs are playing at a slow pace. As long as they don't fix that, I won't consider them as a serious contender.

AFBlue
01-07-2010, 11:03 AM
All in all, Hill just needs to keep playing hard on the defensive end and transfer his aggressiveness from that end to the other end. Hesitancy is almost always his biggest enemy on the offensive end. When he operates like he knows what he's doing, he becomes a quality player who can help out in nearly every area of the game.

I don't think it's any coincidence that Hill's numbers have fallen off as Manu has begun to hit his stride and truly "QB" the second unit as you put it. While I agree that Hill can be effective if he defends well and rebounds, he'll certainly need to make some adjustments in learning how to play with a healthy Manu.

If not, I wouldn't mind seeing a switch with him next to Parker in the starting unit and Bogans paired with Manu off the bench.

Ed Helicopter Jones
01-07-2010, 11:11 AM
I've missed these!


I'm waiting for RJ to really find his niche. I'm confused as to his lack of rebounding as well. In person he looks like the second biggest Spur after Duncan. With his athleticism he should be a beast out there.

portnoy1
01-07-2010, 11:15 AM
:lol

I won't argue with you about Tony, but using Mike Taylor to validate your take is amusing.
Yeah I know. But that last time a talked to him, I really had him stumped. It was kinda funny. He is a radio guy, thats why I used him. There supposed to be experts. All in all there no different than us. People who get to voice there opinion in front of alot of people. The difference is the have diplomas, I dont.

How you been? haven't seen you for a while. It sucked not having people intelligently disagree with me.

kace
01-07-2010, 11:21 AM
Which game was it that Parker was kept out of the lane by a collapsing zone and he continued to shoot bricks from outside. I think he was something like 2-17.

You'd think he wouldve learned by now to give up the ball when the shots aren't falling and they take away your strength.

was it that game where you bitch about him ? wait, you do that almost every game....

go create a club with portnoy, dbestpro and others and stop bringing your hate in every damn thread.

FlAVaK
01-07-2010, 11:29 AM
For those of you who missed a game ore two of this 10 game stretch,
here are some Youtube-clips of the NBA.com-Recaps of those games:

You can also get those on NBA.com in higher quality!
(But those are not as linkable as these...)

112-92 win vs DET
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86-91 loss @ TOR
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97-86 win @ WAS
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108-78 win vs MIA
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117-99 win vs MIN
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95-88 win @ NYK
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112-97 win @ MIL
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94-98 loss vs POR
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103-87 win vs LAC
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100-99 win vs IND
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Hopefulls this is legal.

And Thanks for your game thoughts timvp!

portnoy1
01-07-2010, 11:40 AM
was it that game where you bitch about him ? wait, you do that almost every game....

go create a club with portnoy, dbestpro and others and stop bringing your hate in every damn thread.
I personally give him credit when he is due. Which mainly means when he doesnt stop ball movement and take bad shots. He had a 3game stretch where he would take the first quarter of every game to pass and get everyone in a groove offensively. After that he would do his thing. I loved that and commented on it favorably. The game was so much easier for everyone including himself. If he would have kept doing that, I would be elated. Cause then if he scores 9pts or 30pts everyone else got some touches already in that first quarter to see if they got it going for the night.

Brazil
01-07-2010, 11:58 AM
Nice analysis. :tu

Even if they played mostly against bad teams, Spurs are looking better than they did few weeks ago. Spurs are a damn good offensive team and there are still room for improvement.

However, there is one stat that is plain scary:
Spurs are right now 15th in the league for points allowed in the paint with 41.2 pts/game. That's bad and it's even worse when you also consider that Spurs are playing at a slow pace. As long as they don't fix that, I won't consider them as a serious contender.

Salut Bruno !

Tu étais où tout ce temps là ?

Libri
01-07-2010, 11:59 AM
Quietly, Roger Mason, Jr. has played really well over the last ten games. Not only is he shooting well again, Mason is showing growth in other areas. He's rebounding much better, he has been able to drive the ball to the basket to keep the defense honest, he's creating for others, he's playing passable defense and he's limiting his turnovers. With Michael Finley out of the lineup, Mason has stepped into his role and is playing it at a high level.

I know Spurs fans are in a wait-and-see mode with Mason since he faltered at the end of last season and stunk it up to begin this season but his last ten games showed a lot of promise. This team needs Mason's ability to shoot and make plays from the bench. Let's hope he can find a groove and become a consistent weapon.As you mention, Mason has been consistent and energetic and last night's game is evident of this. The game was much contested throughout and Mason came in the fourth quarter and helped spark a run. He scored 7 of his 10 points and did it with his patented 3, a jumper and then a driving layup. He is finding different ways to contribute by having a good handle of the ball and not second guessing his shot. Even though Mason is currently 29th in 3pt shooting, if the continues to play with confidence, I expect him to rise to the upper echelons of 3-point shooters.

Bruno
01-07-2010, 12:42 PM
Salut Bruno !

Tu étais où tout ce temps là ?

Je n'étais pas bien loin. J'ai juste fait une petite pause.

Brazil
01-07-2010, 01:23 PM
^ Toi et timvp vous avez choisi le même jour pour faire votre comeback !

Spursmania
01-07-2010, 01:33 PM
Thanks for the analysis Timvp:tu

Blair has been a pleasant surprise, but given his history it shouldn't of been. The beast can ball, and he knows how to win as shown by his high school/college career winning record prior to entering the draft.

I'm disappointed in Dice thus far. If he's going to hesitate with his shot, Dice should hustle more defensively and bring in more rebounds. However, he does play Dirk well which should be a huge plus come playoff time. We'll get a little taste of Dice's Defense on Dirk this Friday.
Once his confident returns, and he takes his shots they are a thing of beauty most of us will appreciate.

RJ, as someone said above, looks huge in person, athletic and fast. It's very disappointing that the Spurs haven't found a way to accentuate his quickness and explosiveness yet. Hanging out at the 3 point line is not going to cut it. We need RJ to drive and become more aggressive.

ElNono
01-07-2010, 01:54 PM
Salut Bruno !

Tu étais où tout ce temps là ?


Je n'étais pas bien loin. J'ai juste fait une petite pause.


^ Toi et timvp vous avez choisi le même jour pour faire votre comeback !

Merci Beaucoup!

Quatre Anneaux, Connasse!

ElNono
01-07-2010, 01:54 PM
And thanks for the analysis, timvp :toast

NFGIII
01-07-2010, 02:05 PM
Thanks! I've missed these posts and your input is greatly appreciated.

Team seems to be rounding into shape but I will need to see how they play against more elite teams to really judge their progress. With the way TD has been playing, Manu coming around and TP always improving in the 2nd half of the season this team is posed to do some damage.

Blair for a rookie has been great and his learnig curve fantastic. I hear Sean talking about his work ethic and it shows. Now he needs to improve his FTs and mid range J but that will take time.

One question though: Many on this site have advocated trading for a more athletic big this year. Different packages have been proposed for diferent bigs that some think available - Kaman/Haywood to mention a couple bigs.

What's your take on this? Do we stand pat and see what happens since integrating that many newbies into the system does take time or pull the trigger if something became available?

:flag:

Spurs Brazil
01-07-2010, 02:20 PM
However, there is one stat that is plain scary:
Spurs are right now 15th in the league for points allowed in the paint with 41.2 pts/game. That's bad and it's even worse when you also consider that Spurs are playing at a slow pace. As long as they don't fix that, I won't consider them as a serious contender.

Do you think small ball is one of the reasons for that? Since Bonner is out we've been seeing a lot of RJ at PF. I think it makes things easier for the opponents to score in the paint

And the other thing to consider: are the bigs not doing a good job protecting the paint or the perimeter players are getting beat too easy?

I think TP, Manu, Hill and RJ can improve their D and Dice can do a much better job on rotations and one-on-one D

I'm very happy with Bogans D and Mason D is OK now, much better than the 1st month of the season

TDMVPDPOY
01-07-2010, 02:30 PM
how about analysis on hairston, haislip and watever scrub we have playin in scrub minutes....

mingus
01-07-2010, 02:33 PM
RJ is clearly not a consistent three point shooter, but i've noticed he does better at them when he gets his 15-18 footers to go down early. he seems to be a consistent threat from that range, and the Spurs have creating opportunities for him to knock it down, which he has. i'd still like to seem him make more cuts to the basket, esp. with Tim and Manu being two of the best passers at their respective positions in the league. he's been utilized in the fast break lately as well as of late, and hopefuly this trend contintues. another thing he's doing well is not putting his head down and driving to the basket with the mindset to only score; he's finding the oping man when the defenses collapse.

id still like to see George Hill try to score more often. he's got great penetration skills and he's athletic. it's amazing to me how he can be so tentative sometimes. it's his tentativeness that is really his only glaring weakness.

just a couple of things i'v noticed...

biba
01-07-2010, 03:20 PM
What a day!!!!!!!!!!

TimVP thoughts and Bruno resurrection :toast

TJastal
01-07-2010, 03:21 PM
Whoa. I'll have to disagree with that.

Last season, RMJ was a poor defensively player -- especially against quick players. This year, I think he's building towards average. But I'm going to have to shy away from saying RMJ is a better defender than Duncan and Bogans.

I think Roger being thrust into a point guard role had alot to do with that. He's too big and not agile enough to contain quicker guards and that's what he was asked to do.

Against quick players I agree that Bogans is the better defender. But against guards with length Mason has lately been doing a topnotch job harrassing. Against Hamilton for instance he did a great job of staying in front and contesting him into tough shots. And these are the types of players that give Bogans problems and have been giving the spurs alot of problems the past few years.

And hey, Bogans has had whole threads created celebrating his offensive prowess (usually a 10-12 pt game for him will cause mad celebrations)

So I'm giving Roger his due props for his great defense as of late.

polandprzem
01-07-2010, 03:26 PM
Merci Beaucoup!

Quatre Anneaux, Connasse!

Asterix Obelix


Luis De Fines

Bruno
01-07-2010, 03:30 PM
Do you think small ball is one of the reasons for that? Since Bonner is out we've been seeing a lot of RJ at PF. I think it makes things easier for the opponents to score in the paint

And the other thing to consider: are the bigs not doing a good job protecting the paint or the perimeter players are getting beat too easy?

I think TP, Manu, Hill and RJ can improve their D and Dice can do a much better job on rotations and one-on-one D

I'm very happy with Bogans D and Mason D is OK now, much better than the 1st month of the season

I don't think small ball is the main reason why Spurs suck at defending the paint. I don't see Bonner as a significantly biggest paint presence than RJ.

Spurs bigmen are just not doing a good job at defending their man: http://www.82games.com/0910/0910SAS5.HTM
And it's not a big surprise. Blair and Bonner are very average defenders and McDyess has been quite disappointing for the moment.

DPG21920
01-07-2010, 04:11 PM
A few observations:

1) First and foremost, whats up Bruno? Good to see you back and hope all is well.

2) I have noticed that Hill is easily deterred from his path to the basket or bumped out of the play. Every time he uses a screen and his defender goes over, Hill just moves backwards or retreats and holds. He does not try and move forward or side step creatively. It is something he will have to improve. Has anyone else noticed?

3) The interior defense has been a huge problem. Some of that is bad rotations and poor communication and some of it has been just flat out bad play. The rebounding is solid, but far too often there is good shots inside the paint. I don't know if Dice can fix that problem just by elevating his game.

Das Texan
01-07-2010, 04:35 PM
What?


No grade for Pop?


Good to have this back timvp

Das Texan
01-07-2010, 04:36 PM
It will be sorta interesting to see how Pop integrates Bonner back into the lineup when he returns, he was playing arguably his best all around basketball as a Spur when he went down.

Obstructed_View
01-07-2010, 04:44 PM
The three games I've seen over this last stretch, I have to say that Parker's biggest improvement is on the defensive end. That either results in more aggressive play on the other end or is just a bonus byproduct of it. It seems pretty clear that when you have a scoring point guard coming off his best season, poised to enter the rarified air of best players in the league at his position, telling him that he needs to fundamentally change into a passing point guard is a major mistake, particularly with there still being questions about your backup point guard options.

That seems a good segue into my next point: I also agree that Popovich is responsible for at least the Raps loss. He has a track record of overestimating his impact during good stretches and his attempts to coach are frequently disastrous. Let's hope benching Tim Duncan is a big enough mistake to remind him not to meddle for the rest of this year. Gotta give him credit that it only took 20 games for him to see what most of us already saw in Dejuan Blair and make him a starter.

Isn't it amazing how much better the Spurs suddenly get when Michael Finley's not there to leave his man or fail to rotate?

Roger Mason's finally showing signs of getting out of his shooting funk, and just in time. If he'd waited another week, he might not have gotten his job back.

I guess the Spurs have just outright decided that Ian Mahinmi isn't an NBA player. If they aren't going to give him any minutes under any circumstances, they should be looking actively for someone in the league who still thinks he might be and get what they can for him. If Pau Gasol is healthy during the playoffs this rotation of bigs isn't going to be able to match the Lakers. If there's any chance that Mahinmi's going to be able to give you ten or twelve minutes of guarding the paint, then now's the time to be throwing him out there. I like Malik Hairston, but I'd much rather Ian be getting those two to three minutes in garbage time going forward.

Richard Jefferson's numbers, while disappointing to many fans, really aren't a huge departure from the numbers he's put up his whole career. The only big difference I've been able to see is that he's not getting as many shots, and as Timvp mentioned, who are you going to take shots away from to get him the ball? He's starting to figure out when he's expected to do certain things, and it's not a stretch to think that going forward he's going to be much more careful with the shots that he does get to make sure they're good looks. When RJ's putting up his averages every night instead of going for 25 one night and three the next, his value to the team will be much much higher.

The Spurs need to realize that, as good as Bogans has been on defense, that Bruce Bowen isn't walking back through that door. The Spurs' days of being the best defensive team in the league are behind them. That said, there's no reason not to think that they can't play good enough defense to have a lot of success, particularly when combined with this new group's vastly improved athletecism, offense, and rebounding.

Obstructed_View
01-07-2010, 04:56 PM
RJ is clearly not a consistent three point shooter, but i've noticed he does better at them when he gets his 15-18 footers to go down early. he seems to be a consistent threat from that range, and the Spurs have creating opportunities for him to knock it down, which he has.

Excellent point. In addition, I think his shooting and Mason's have improved because they're not worrying so much about keeping their toes behind the line, and instead are shooting when open, in rhythm, from the spot they're at. The Spurs' percentage from three point range helps them win games they should lose most times, but that's about it. This group should be shooting outside jumpers in order to soften up the defense for opportunities to go into the paint, and that's all.

timvp
01-07-2010, 05:01 PM
I like Malik Hairston, but I'd much rather Ian be getting those two to three minutes in garbage time going forward. Agreed. Well, at least one cameo. Let him at least try on the jersey. Mahinmi would be a lot more interesting to watch than Hairston or Haislip.


When RJ's putting up his averages every night instead of going for 25 one night and three the next, his value to the team will be much much higher.Good point. Knowing what they'll get from RJ on a nightly basis will help this team. If he can get his production without having to break the offense, that would be even better.

mingus
01-07-2010, 05:20 PM
one play i'd like for the Spurs to run more is where RJ gets it in the low block (right around where Timmy does his banker) and faces up and drives. he can get to the basket with his quickness and/or upper body strength against any defender and elevate as high as anybody. and as of late he shown a recognition of where everybody is when the D collapses. i'm sick of seeing Parker try to do too much and lose the ball when they can allow RJ to operate. Pop was pissed off at Parker right after he did something like that against the Pistons...

Brazil
01-07-2010, 05:27 PM
Merci Beaucoup!

Quatre Anneaux, Connasse!

:lmao

OMG your french is almost perfect except for the "anneaux". We don't use "anneaux" in that context "bagues" is much better but connasse is quite good.

To sum-up "Quatre Bagues, connasse !" nevertheless I think the closer thing to 4 rings faggot is "Quatre Bagues, enculé" or "Quatre Bagues, salope".

ElNono
01-07-2010, 06:05 PM
:lmao

OMG your french is almost perfect except for the "anneaux". We don't use "anneaux" in that context "bagues" is much better but connasse is quite good.

To sum-up "Quatre Bagues, connasse !" nevertheless I think the closer thing to 4 rings faggot is "Quatre Bagues, enculé" or "Quatre Bagues, salope".

I was actually shooting for '4 rings, bitch'... :lol

I've been to Paris about 7 years ago and it's a gorgeous city. I didn't get to learn much of the language, but I still remember a thing or two... :D

HarlemHeat37
01-07-2010, 06:27 PM
Nice analysis. :tu

Even if they played mostly against bad teams, Spurs are looking better than they did few weeks ago. Spurs are a damn good offensive team and there are still room for improvement.

However, there is one stat that is plain scary:
Spurs are right now 15th in the league for points allowed in the paint with 41.2 pts/game. That's bad and it's even worse when you also consider that Spurs are playing at a slow pace. As long as they don't fix that, I won't consider them as a serious contender.

According to hoopsstats, we're actually ranked even worse than 15th in points allowed in the paint, 23rd according to them, which truly is scary, but kind of expected..

The p&r D has been especially bad, which is leading to a lot of these points..Duncan has been fine at defending 1 on 1 in the post, he hasn't been getting beat there, which is kind of surprising based on his lacking man to man D the last 2 seasons, but he hasn't been able to defend the p&r well at all this year..

Our other bigs are usually getting beat in most 1 on 1 situations..I don't really see how that's going to change though, we don't have the tools to change this with the current personnel..

Brazil
01-07-2010, 07:17 PM
I was actually shooting for '4 rings, bitch'... :lol

I've been to Paris about 7 years ago and it's a gorgeous city. I didn't get to learn much of the language, but I still remember a thing or two... :D

like voulez vous coucher avec moi ?

Spursmania
01-07-2010, 07:20 PM
like voulez vous coucher avec moi ?

:lol

Manufan909
01-07-2010, 08:15 PM
Dice will turn it up a notch when it matters... thanks timvp! :tu

No comments on Pop :stirpot:

Would have liked to see some words on the scrubs too...

Indeed, no Pop thoughts of any sort.:hat

To submit my own theory to timvp, I believe Blair is indefinitely more valuable than Bonner or Dice (defense extending bigs) because he is the perfect big man to allow Timy to shoot his damn near perfect jays, bank shots, and at least face up.

Bonner almost never gets beat up in the paint to save Tim from it, but Blair lives there (and does not get in Duncan's way, like many presumed he would). He might not be too much of a defensive presence, but he's a hell of alot better than Bonner at getting steals and not backing down. The taller dudes just cannot move him. Like Theo said, he gets in their legs. Makes him sound like a horrible disease.:lol

I would like to add that starting Dice in a Spurs vs. Mavs series is most likely paramount. But if Blair starts on Dirk, maybe he can extend his streak of blocking the big german everytime they meet... or get in early foul trouble.:depressed

igruex
01-07-2010, 08:55 PM
Considering the way the Spurs are playing, I don't get why aren't we seeing Manu running the show as a PG, at least for short streches, specially when Dice and RJ are on the floor.

hsxvvd
01-07-2010, 09:06 PM
Great read. Thanks.

Parker, Bogans, Jefferson, Duncan, Blair seems set.

Ginobili, Bonner, McDyess, Hill.... that's a good playoff rotation.

ElNono
01-07-2010, 09:13 PM
like voulez vous coucher avec moi ?

:lmao

No, more like 'Je ne parle le français' :lol

timvp
01-08-2010, 01:35 PM
Considering the way the Spurs are playing, I don't get why aren't we seeing Manu running the show as a PG, at least for short streches, specially when Dice and RJ are on the floor.

Manu is all but the team's backup point guard at this point. Hill is listed a point guard but his job is basically to bring the ball up the court. After that, it's usually in Manu's hands.

I used to think that Manu should let Hill do playmaking with the second unit but now I've changed my mind and don't care if Manu handles all the playmaking. Hill just hasn't shown me PG skills this season when it comes to creating, while Manu's decision-making and passing might be at career best levels.

EricB
01-08-2010, 01:39 PM
Hill plays off of Manu pretty well as well. He's developing a nice little pull up mid range jumper.

Obstructed_View
01-08-2010, 02:46 PM
Having Manu as the quarterback for the second unit, getting time with McDyess and Hill, is the only good reason to have him coming off the bench. So far it's been a convincing one.