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ffadicted
01-08-2010, 10:57 PM
Fucking even Dampier smoked a 3 in our faces in that period... Spurs couldn't get a stop to save their life. I mean, sure, the Mavs were smoking hot, but this is the farthest thing from championship defense I've ever seen since the phoenix suns :depressed:depressed

What happened out there guys....

easy7
01-08-2010, 10:59 PM
So much talent going to waste...

HarlemHeat37
01-08-2010, 10:59 PM
Tough to defend when you don't have the tools to do it, especially in the paint..look at the Mavs shot chart, the majority of their points came from the FT line and below..

the Spurs were 23rd in the NBA at defending the paint coming into this game, it'll probably go down after allowing all those points inside tonight..no way you can win a title like that..

Man In Black
01-08-2010, 11:00 PM
I guess Coach Bud still has much to learn from Obi-Pop. :ihit

2 of those 3's that started the Mavnots final runs were right in front of Dice. He didn't close out or didn't fight the screen tough enough.

I ain't a fan of Zack ref. Damp is an offensive tackle dresses as a Mavnot. Anyone of those can be called and should have been.

But hey, the Spurs were up by 13 and didn't come to decapitate. It's like those scenes in Friday the 13th or the Nightmare on Elm Street series...when the dead guy is down, don't assume he's dead...Park a semi on his chest so even if still alive, they cannot escape.

MmP
01-08-2010, 11:01 PM
That is sick, allow 42 points is instant failure...

loveforthegame
01-08-2010, 11:02 PM
I guess it's not only Bonner and Finley's fault afterall.

Spurs Brazil
01-08-2010, 11:02 PM
Tough to defend when you don't have the tools to do it, especially in the paint..look at the Mavs shot chart, the majority of their points came from the FT line and below..

the Spurs were 23rd in the NBA at defending the paint coming into this game, it'll probably go down after allowing all those points inside tonight..no way you can win a title like that..

That's why I'm starting to like the Haywood trade
Dice has been a major disappoint so far

Chieflion
01-08-2010, 11:04 PM
Bonner defended Dirk better than Dice did. At least Bonner makes him work for every shot.

murpjf88
01-08-2010, 11:06 PM
I guess it's not only Bonner and Finley's fault afterall.

They were easy fall guys. The team defense is terrible. This teams going nowhere.

HarlemHeat37
01-08-2010, 11:07 PM
RJ was defending Dirk as well as you could..no idea why they brought in Dice to defend him in the 4th, it got Dirk going..

KenziE
01-08-2010, 11:09 PM
That's why I'm starting to like the Haywood trade
Dice has been a major disappoint so far


what haywood trade? thats not gonna happen bro .... they wont make any move before the deadline wer fucked ....

and yeah to those idiots whos gonna say its only january say that when its may and we not in contention fuckers

Duncan21kid
01-08-2010, 11:14 PM
Dice has been a dissapointment
Tony was invisible in the 2nd half
Manu was invisible in the 2nd half
DEFENSE was invisible in the 4th quarter

AFBlue
01-08-2010, 11:18 PM
Disgusting end to a game that showed promise in so many areas. I can't believe the Spurs could be SO good in the third with their energy and then come out in the fourth and just lay an egg.

The most glaring difference at the end for me was how easily the Mavs shed the defender off screens. Granted at times you concede and switch, but it didn't seem like the Spurs had any "fight" in them during that last quarter. The Mavs saw it and exploited it, running ball screens on almost every possessions and taking advantage of the mismatch.

Yes there were plenty of positives in the game, but it ended in a loss and such a terrible display in the final stanza I can only think of two words...ugly and depressing.

Obstructed_View
01-08-2010, 11:18 PM
RJ was defending Dirk as well as you could..no idea why they brought in Dice to defend him in the 4th, it got Dirk going..

I could have sworn Dirk got hot when RJ was guarding him. The Spurs are going to need another big in the rotation if they want to compete. If only they had a young seven foot shot blocker somewhere.

Creation88
01-08-2010, 11:21 PM
absolutely pathetic performance in the 4th. this team needs to shape up now or it's 1 and done again. no confidence, no consistency, not beating the best teams.

ElNono
01-08-2010, 11:24 PM
The defensive intensity has been a topic of discussion throughout the season. The proverbial 'getting a stop when you need a stop'. And yes, I'm including defensive rebounding (for those that missed the game thread). Because when we finally got a stop or they missed, we couldn't grab the board.

We needto take more pride in defending the ball. And it should start with the coaching staff. I hope Pop used this sabbatical to take a look to his team from a different angle and regain the reins of this team. If we don't make major strides defensively (with or without a trade), we're not going anywhere...

AFBlue
01-08-2010, 11:25 PM
I could have sworn Dirk got hot when RJ was guarding him. The Spurs are going to need another big in the rotation if they want to compete. If only they had a young seven foot shot blocker somewhere.

Dirk got hot by capitalizing on defensive breakdowns, not by any one player in one-on-one defense. Plus, you can't expect a player that talented to continue to shoot 20% from the floor.

They brought in a long shot-blocker, albeit not young, in Ratliff...and he lasted a few minutes before proving ineffective.

The reality is that the great players in this league from time to time can prove to be unguardable. In the 4th quarter Dirk was a little bit of that, and the Spurs had TEAM defense breakdowns.

No one player, young shot-blocker or otherwise, would've changed that.

z0sa
01-08-2010, 11:26 PM
I hate seeing Tim lose games like these. He did everything he could ..

Budkin
01-08-2010, 11:27 PM
I want to scream watching this team... so painful.

HarlemHeat37
01-08-2010, 11:30 PM
Dirk got hot by capitalizing on defensive breakdowns, not by any one player in one-on-one defense. Plus, you can't expect a player that talented to continue to shoot 20% from the floor.

They brought in a long shot-blocker, albeit not young, in Ratliff...and he lasted a few minutes before proving ineffective.

The reality is that the great players in this league from time to time can prove to be unguardable. In the 4th quarter Dirk was a little bit of that, and the Spurs had TEAM defense breakdowns.

No one player, young shot-blocker or otherwise, would've changed that.

A legit big WOULD have significantly helped though..most of the Mavs points came from the free throw line and below..they killed us on the offensive glass..

Dirk did get hot, but that obviously wasn't the main reason we lost..

This team desperately needs a legit big..23rd in points allowed in the paint per game and going down after this game just won't cut it on any level..

SpursRulez4eVeR
01-08-2010, 11:32 PM
somewhere in me is letting the spurs take over my emotions i feel pathetic sometimes....fml

AFBlue
01-08-2010, 11:32 PM
I want to scream watching this team... so painful.

It's probably tougher than last year, because with this team you actually see the glimpses of how good they can be on both ends of the floor, but they just can't put it together for four quarters against the better teams in the league.

Last year, I think most of us saw the writing on the wall...this year it's just frustrating as hell.

The only thing that keeps me watching...I think this team will eventually get that consistency (Rodeo Road Trip?) and push into the playoffs strong and confident.

Believe!

ElNono
01-08-2010, 11:38 PM
It's only January though...

Spurs Brazil
01-08-2010, 11:39 PM
It's only January though...

:lol

AFBlue
01-08-2010, 11:41 PM
A legit big WOULD have significantly helped though..most of the Mavs points came from the free throw line and below..they killed us on the offensive glass..

Dirk did get hot, but that obviously wasn't the main reason we lost..

This team desperately needs a legit big..23rd in points allowed in the paint per game and going down after this game just won't cut it on any level..

I see 5 in/near the paint, 5 from mid-range and 5 from deep....that's not "most of the Mavs points" in the paint.

HarlemHeat37
01-08-2010, 11:46 PM
the Mavs had 50 points in the paint tonight my friend..I'm not counting the fouls they drew inside too..

Johnny RIngo
01-08-2010, 11:48 PM
RJ was defending Dirk as well as you could..no idea why they brought in Dice to defend him in the 4th, it got Dirk going..

Dirk got going long before Dice came in iirc.

Spurs Brazil
01-08-2010, 11:48 PM
the Mavs had 50 points in the paint tonight my friend..I'm not counting the fouls they drew inside too..

DAMN

50pts is A LOT

Johnny RIngo
01-08-2010, 11:51 PM
We have Dice for another year, right? Not really looking forward to watching him play like shit for another year.

HarlemHeat37
01-08-2010, 11:51 PM
Dirk got going long before Dice came in iirc.

Ya I was wrong about that, I looked back at it..Dirk scored 3 FGs against RJ during his hot streak..RJ still defended Dirk a lot better than McDyess did IMO, no contest..

Dro210
01-08-2010, 11:54 PM
Yea it seemed like RJ was doing a pretty good job on Dirk.... when he's hittin like that, it doesn't really matter how well you play him.

I only saw bits and pieces tho. I thought we would have it wrapped up after that Terry bullshit trip on Hill and the Blair dunk on the other end, everybody was fired up.... don't really know how we let it slip away, but seemed like the Mavs couldn't miss at the end.

rvman21
01-08-2010, 11:55 PM
I could have sworn Dirk got hot when RJ was guarding him. The Spurs are going to need another big in the rotation if they want to compete. If only they had a young seven foot shot blocker somewhere.

Uhhh.. the name Ian comes to mind

Johnny RIngo
01-08-2010, 11:55 PM
Ya I was wrong about that, I looked back at it..Dirk scored 3 FGs against RJ during his hot streak..RJ still defended Dirk a lot better than McDyess did IMO, no contest..

RJ played better D than Dice but his soft effort on the boards forced the team to rely on TD too much. It's awfully pathetic that we HAVE to play small ball because our only other big is garbage(Dice). The FO was awfully naive thinking a frontline of Dice, Bonner, rookie Blair, and Haislip(who?) was going to compete for a 'ship against teams like the Lakers, Cavs, Celtics, etc.

spurtech09
01-08-2010, 11:55 PM
didn't watch the game but the spurs up by ten?wonder how this game got away from them....anyway its just a game move on to the other game...you win some you lose some

Johnny RIngo
01-08-2010, 11:57 PM
Uhhh.. the name Ian comes to mind

Spurs are really fucked if our hope of a championship hinges on a D-League player like Ian.

Flux451
01-08-2010, 11:57 PM
duplicate thread..."raise the bar."

cheers

murpjf88
01-08-2010, 11:59 PM
I'm surprised nobody brought Haislip's name yet.

ElNono
01-09-2010, 12:00 AM
Spurs are really fucked if our hope of a championship hinges on a D-League player like Ian.

D-League All Star, and don't you forget it...

AFBlue
01-09-2010, 12:01 AM
the Mavs had 50 points in the paint tonight my friend..I'm not counting the fouls they drew inside too..

Spurs bigs got in early foul trouble and that forced the team to go small. I'd like nothing more than to see Ratliff in street clothes, but I just don't see the Spurs making a move to change that.

If the Mavs can get the Spurs bigs into foul trouble like that multiple times in a seven game series then the Spurs are in trouble...but if the Spurs play smart team defense, I think they still have a legit shot to win a seven game series.

AFBlue
01-09-2010, 12:04 AM
didn't watch the game but the spurs up by ten?wonder how this game got away from them....anyway its just a game move on to the other game...you win some you lose some

My wife said the same thing after half-watching it. Sadly, it was much more disappointing if you witnessed it. They looked good for two quarters, great for one, and then probably played one of their worst 12 minutes of basketball all season.

Wish I could say "win some, lose some"...this one was depressing.

lefty
01-09-2010, 12:04 AM
I guess it's not only Bonner and Finley's fault afterall.

It is, they watched the game

Flux451
01-09-2010, 12:06 AM
Yeah, it sucks when we have a 7 footer behind the bench who couldn't be any worse than Dice has been.

xellos88330
01-09-2010, 12:07 AM
It is, they watched the game

:lmao

xellos88330
01-09-2010, 12:08 AM
42 in the fourth...

I do not have anything to say about this. The box score speaks for itself.

ElNono
01-09-2010, 12:08 AM
Spurs bigs got in early foul trouble and that forced the team to go small. I'd like nothing more than to see Ratliff in street clothes, but I just don't see the Spurs making a move to change that.

If the Mavs can get the Spurs bigs into foul trouble like that multiple times in a seven game series then the Spurs are in trouble...but if the Spurs play smart team defense, I think they still have a legit shot to win a seven game series.

There's just no solid reason to guard Dirk with a big. He plays in the perimeter mostly anyways. I mean, Bowen used to guard him before we retired him. Dirk is going to get his. That's just the bottom line. So might aswell keep the bigs to rebound and make him work on the other end.

SequSpur
01-09-2010, 12:12 AM
Kori,

Manu sucks. He now falls into the Malik Rose category as washed up and overpaid. Coach Bud calling a play for him is ridiculous. He doesn't have it anymore. Raise the Bar. Call a spade a spade... Here are some more takes for you that aren't related to 42 points in a quarter.

Mcdice is old.
Tony Parker doesn't like his teammates. (pretty obvious)
Tim Duncan is not a leader and is deferring to Matt Bonner.
Manu is manure.
George Hill is the future of the Spurs.
Richard Jefferson doesn't have a clue.
Popovich's gravy training is over.
Popovich has no clue.
Coach Bud is a ballboy.
Roger Mason Jr. needs to be traded to save his career from this shitty team.
Keith Bogans is a joke.
What else?

wait..maybe I can go beat Duncan228 in the find an article and hurry up and post contest!!!

lol...

Go to a game..the fun, the glory, the passion.........it's gone...

Coach Popovich. His reign is done.

itzsoweezee
01-09-2010, 12:16 AM
spurs looked like they ran out of gas in the end. too bad because they really outplayed the mavs almost the entire game.

i don't care, i just want to see the spurs beat the lakers.

TIMMYD!
01-09-2010, 12:33 AM
Whenever the Spurs lose, I just block it out of my head until the beginning of the next game.

SequSpur
01-09-2010, 12:34 AM
Whenever the Spurs lose, I just block it out of my head until the beginning of the next game.

that's a good idea...especially a home game against the Nets.

DPG21920
01-09-2010, 12:39 AM
The defensive intensity has been a topic of discussion throughout the season. The proverbial 'getting a stop when you need a stop'. And yes, I'm including defensive rebounding (for those that missed the game thread). Because when we finally got a stop or they missed, we couldn't grab the board.

We needto take more pride in defending the ball. And it should start with the coaching staff. I hope Pop used this sabbatical to take a look to his team from a different angle and regain the reins of this team. If we don't make major strides defensively (with or without a trade), we're not going anywhere...

Who said rebounding was not a part of defense?

Obstructed_View
01-09-2010, 12:41 AM
Dirk got hot by capitalizing on defensive breakdowns, not by any one player in one-on-one defense. Plus, you can't expect a player that talented to continue to shoot 20% from the floor.

They brought in a long shot-blocker, albeit not young, in Ratliff...and he lasted a few minutes before proving ineffective.

The reality is that the great players in this league from time to time can prove to be unguardable. In the 4th quarter Dirk was a little bit of that, and the Spurs had TEAM defense breakdowns.

No one player, young shot-blocker or otherwise, would've changed that.

Dirk started hitting jumpers, which I agree that he is going to do from time to time, but putting RJ on him is not the same as putting Bowen on him, and the only way to slow him down is with length, because you don't have the skill to throw at him anymore. In addition, the Spurs didn't control the offensive glass at any point, and the occasional shot blocker in the lane to change a shot or two would have helped as well.

SequSpur
01-09-2010, 12:43 AM
The 2 guys that have beaten you time and time again... nowistsky and terry....and they let them get off...there isn't a player on the mavs that can do what they do...

spurs failed...

Obstructed_View
01-09-2010, 12:52 AM
The 2 guys that have beaten you time and time again... nowistsky and terry....and they let them get off...there isn't a player on the mavs that can do what they do...

spurs failed...

Meh, that's overstated. Dirk and Jet kill everyone when their jumpers happen to fall. When they do, you've got crappy defense, when they don't, your defense is great. The key to beating a jump shooting team is not to send them to the line, to limit their inside scoring, not to turn the ball over, and to hold them to one shot. The Spurs were a complete and utter train wreck in nearly all phases of the game during the fourth quarter, and it still took hot outside shooting by the Mavs to beat them.

AFBlue
01-09-2010, 12:53 AM
Dirk started hitting jumpers, which I agree that he is going to do from time to time, but putting RJ on him is not the same as putting Bowen on him, and the only way to slow him down is with length, because you don't have the skill to throw at him anymore. In addition, the Spurs didn't control the offensive glass at any point, and the occasional shot blocker in the lane to change a shot or two would have helped as well.

Spurs were forced to play small ball when Blair and Dice got in foul trouble and if RJ is going to get blamed for Nowitzki in the fourth, then he should get credit for Nowitzki stinking it up through three.

And again, the shot-blocker was out there for four minutes and proved ineffective.

I will agree with the point about rebounding...Spurs needed to have more will and energy crashing the boards. Second chance opportunities were killer throughout the game and especially in the fourth.

the bear
01-09-2010, 01:01 AM
If you allow Nowitzki to get into that mode, it is going to be a very tough fight. I still can't get over 42 points in one quarter!? Unbelievable.

But Dirk did have 28 shot attempts, he is bound to get into a rhythm if he takes that many shots in one game.

SequSpur
01-09-2010, 01:01 AM
The key to stopping nowitsky and terry is to get the ball out of their hands and into someone elses...

nowitsky should be doubled hard as soon as he gets the ball...jason should be routed to spots he doesn't like....other teams do this, why can't the spurs?

it's pretty simple and for some reason the spurs make the shit difficult... It's not like they were coming down and jacking up shots with 22 seconds on the clock... pitiful

Obstructed_View
01-09-2010, 01:03 AM
Spurs were forced to play small ball when Blair and Dice got in foul trouble and if RJ is going to get blamed for Nowitzki in the fourth, then he should get credit for Nowitzki stinking it up through three.


Dice finished the game with 4 fouls and Blair finished the game with 3, one of which was offensive. The Spurs decided to play small ball, and had any number of opportunities through the last 15 minutes of the game to call a timeout and put a bigger body on Dirk.

RJ didn't cover Dirk through the first three quarters. Besides, I'm not blaming him, I'm blaming the idiot that was watching him get torched and apparently decided to save Blair and Dice's remaining fouls for New Jersey.

Spursmania
01-09-2010, 01:05 AM
One can't help but feel disheartened watching the Spurs give this game away.

42 points in one quarter, my friends, 42 points, 42 points:bang

And, Dice, sucks ass. GTFO as soon as possible. We need a legit big man and he's not one. He's too soft and has no killer instincts.

AFBlue
01-09-2010, 01:10 AM
Dice finished the game with 4 fouls and Blair finished the game with 3, one of which was offensive. The Spurs decided to play small ball, and had any number of opportunities through the last 15 minutes of the game to call a timeout and put a bigger body on Dirk.

RJ didn't cover Dirk through the first three quarters. Besides, I'm not blaming him, I'm blaming the idiot that was watching him get torched and apparently decided to save Blair and Dice's remaining fouls for New Jersey.

I guess you and I saw the game differently. I saw Dice and Blair get called for ticky-tack fouls early and sub out, leaving the Spurs to play small ball. During that time, though sometimes the assignment went to Bogans, I saw long stretches where RJ defended Dirk.

I also didn't see RJ get torched in the fourth. I saw the entire team get torched...reacting slowly on rotations, switches, close-outs, etc.

Regardless, I have to agree with you that Blair sitting in the fourth despite some spirited play to end the third (when the Spurs seemingly had the game in their hands) was a mistake.

AFBlue
01-09-2010, 01:13 AM
The key to stopping nowitsky and terry is to get the ball out of their hands and into someone elses...

nowitsky should be doubled hard as soon as he gets the ball...jason should be routed to spots he doesn't like....other teams do this, why can't the spurs?

it's pretty simple and for some reason the spurs make the shit difficult... It's not like they were coming down and jacking up shots with 22 seconds on the clock... pitiful

I can't disagree with this in principal, but I do have two counterpoints...

First, it seems like every time the Spurs send a double-team Nowitzki's way, the ball always ends up in Jason Kidd's hands and he nails a three-pointer to crush momentum.

Second, in the fourth quarter there isn't a spot on the floor that Jason Terry doesn't like...at least not against the Spurs. I can't stand the dude, but he doesn't miss down the stretch against the Spurs...ever.

LOL@MavsFan
01-09-2010, 01:18 AM
Fucking even Dampier smoked a 3 in our faces in that period... Spurs couldn't get a stop to save their life. I mean, sure, the Mavs were smoking hot, but this is the farthest thing from championship defense I've ever seen since the phoenix suns :depressed:depressed

What happened out there guys....

Spurs missed shots they didnt

signed
Pop

ElNono
01-09-2010, 01:19 AM
I can't disagree with this in principal, but I do have two counterpoints...

First, it seems like every time the Spurs send a double-team Nowitzki's way, the ball always ends up in Jason Kidd's hands and he nails a three-pointer to crush momentum.

Second, in the fourth quarter there isn't a spot on the floor that Jason Terry doesn't like...at least not against the Spurs. I can't stand the dude, but he doesn't miss down the stretch against the Spurs...ever.

I much rather have Kidd kill me from downtown than Dirk getting hot.
But it wasn't Dirk that hurt us tonight. 26 points on 28 shots and low amount of free throws actually is pretty close to what you would want from Nowitzki.
50 points from their bench is way too much though. That's half the battle right there.

AFBlue
01-09-2010, 01:50 AM
I much rather have Kidd kill me from downtown than Dirk getting hot.
But it wasn't Dirk that hurt us tonight. 26 points on 28 shots and low amount of free throws actually is pretty close to what you would want from Nowitzki.
50 points from their bench is way too much though. That's half the battle right there.

Terry was obviously a big part of that bench scoring, because as usual the guy couldn't miss down the stretch. To another point...

Though it's easy to talk about the defense in the fourth quarter, it should also be noted that the Spurs went the last 4+ minutes of the game (before Mason's meaningless 3 at the end) without a field goal. Spurs were completely out of synch and making terrible decisions with the ball. Sadly, this had nothing to do with the Mavs' D...it was all on the Spurs.

crc21209
01-09-2010, 02:34 AM
Kori,

Manu sucks. He now falls into the Malik Rose category as washed up and overpaid. Coach Bud calling a play for him is ridiculous. He doesn't have it anymore. Raise the Bar. Call a spade a spade... Here are some more takes for you that aren't related to 42 points in a quarter.

Mcdice is old.
Tony Parker doesn't like his teammates. (pretty obvious)
Tim Duncan is not a leader and is deferring to Matt Bonner.
Manu is manure.
George Hill is the future of the Spurs.
Richard Jefferson doesn't have a clue.
Popovich's gravy training is over.
Popovich has no clue.
Coach Bud is a ballboy.
Roger Mason Jr. needs to be traded to save his career from this shitty team.
Keith Bogans is a joke.
What else?

wait..maybe I can go beat Duncan228 in the find an article and hurry up and post contest!!!

lol...

Go to a game..the fun, the glory, the passion.........it's gone...


Coach Popovich. His reign is done.

Wow you're blind huh? RJ was the second best player on the court tonight after Tim Duncan...

hsxvvd
01-09-2010, 02:46 AM
I could have sworn Dirk got hot when RJ was guarding him. The Spurs are going to need another big in the rotation if they want to compete. If only they had a young seven foot shot blocker somewhere.

or an old one.

Capt Bringdown
01-09-2010, 07:39 AM
Spurs are really fucked if our hope of a championship hinges on a D-League player like Ian.

Or if we expect a 36 year old Dice to make a significant contribution.

Muser
01-09-2010, 08:01 AM
42 points, that goes beyond being mad, that just makes me :lmao

ginobili fan
01-09-2010, 02:19 PM
Why this team turned to an average defensive team ?
Where's gone the "Defense win championship" ?
How in the hell can we get outplayed in the 4th quarter like rookies ?
Why we always play bad in the second half ?
Why Tony and Manu play like superstar in the first half and then play like shit in the end ? (especially Tony, it's like he's lost confidence )
Why is Tim forced to play so good every single night and see the rest of the team lost ?
WTF Pop ?

I-Ball
01-09-2010, 02:39 PM
the answer to everything is: 42

Ginobilly
01-09-2010, 02:53 PM
We miss the defense and toughness Drob and Malik Rose! And I don't get why Pop decides to go small every time when you have Theo and Ian.:bang It's just Duncan and a bunch of 6 ft nothing midgets that can't get a fuckin rebound. And no, Matt Bonner is not going to help. We need to see more Blair and more Theo.

ffadicted
01-09-2010, 05:36 PM
We miss the defense and toughness Drob and Malik Rose! And I don't get why Pop decides to go small every time when you have Theo and Ian.:bang It's just Duncan and a bunch of 6 ft nothing midgets that can't get a fuckin rebound. And no, Matt Bonner is not going to help. We need to see more Blair and more Theo.

You can't be serious. Ian is garbage and Theo gets in the way on O.

GooberNuts
01-09-2010, 05:44 PM
I don't know why didn't play Hill more in the 4th, he was playing inspired ball. Ginobili was obviously gassed - he played well in the first half and his legs were clearly tired in the fourth.

Overall it's just hard to judge where the time is at, because IMO we played well through three quarters and then just fell apart in the fourth, and we can't really point the blame at anyone in particular: was it because Pop was gone, the rotations of our big three were off, or did Dallas just outplay us while we stunk it up out there? It's hard to make a judgement call on the team based on this game.

Even in championship seasons you still lose games during the regular season - it happens to everyone. I've always felt the Spurs played better when they felt they had something to prove, so lets see how they come out against the Lakers.

DubMcDub
01-09-2010, 06:02 PM
Meh, that's overstated. Dirk and Jet kill everyone when their jumpers happen to fall. When they do, you've got crappy defense, when they don't, your defense is great. The key to beating a jump shooting team is not to send them to the line, to limit their inside scoring, not to turn the ball over, and to hold them to one shot. The Spurs were a complete and utter train wreck in nearly all phases of the game during the fourth quarter, and it still took hot outside shooting by the Mavs to beat them.

I find your username pretty ironic, as this is an entirely obstructed view of basketball strategy. Comments implying that "the Mavs just hit a bunch of jump shots, which won't happen all the time" ignore not only basic principles of basketball but also the very history of this rivalry. You sound like a more refined jeffdrums.

Obstructed_View
01-09-2010, 11:52 PM
I find your username pretty ironic, as this is an entirely obstructed view of basketball strategy. Comments implying that "the Mavs just hit a bunch of jump shots, which won't happen all the time" ignore not only basic principles of basketball but also the very history of this rivalry. You sound like a more refined jeffdrums.

It's sad that, as usual, I know more about the Mavericks than you. If you're going to talk about the damage that Terry and Dirk did, it was from the outside, and it was for the most part with a defender near them. In fact, many of those shots weren't extremely easy shots for them to hit. While they deserve props for hitting the shots, as usual, idiot Mavfan suddenly thinks that his team is championship worthy until the next game when Jet and Dirk go a combined 14/36. Dirk's game is always better when he's going toward the basket, but there are nights where he can suddenly get a hot hand and score some points on the outside.

Credit both guys for hitting shots, but don't be a typical idiotic Mav fan and think that they're going to hit shots like that every night. The fact that your team tends to forget that they can't rely on jumpers is usually what causes them not to win.

And you should probably work on your reading comprehension, since the point of my "meh" post was when a Spurs fan said that the Spurs "let" Terry and Dirk get off, when that wasn't really the reason the Spurs got curbstomped in the 4th quarter.

Agloco
01-10-2010, 01:42 PM
Dice has been a dissapointment
Tony was invisible in the 2nd half
Manu was invisible in the 2nd half
DEFENSE was invisible in the 4th quarter

This.

Yet another goose-egg from our backcourt when we needed them to step up. As for the defense? Yeah, there were some open shots for the Mavs, but after we gave up the three point play to Damp, Dirk was just lights out. Not much you can do except try to match him point for point, which we didn't do.

It wasn't just the defense as everyone points out..... our "vaunted" offense took a hike as well in the 4th.

Agloco
01-10-2010, 01:47 PM
I find your username pretty ironic, as this is an entirely obstructed view of basketball strategy. Comments implying that "the Mavs just hit a bunch of jump shots, which won't happen all the time" ignore not only basic principles of basketball but also the very history of this rivalry. You sound like a more refined jeffdrums.

Too funny. 73% from the field and 4-4 from the arc in the fourth (I won't count Damps' shot obviously). Yeah, that's gonna happen more often than not. :rolleyes

I won't even mentio that the Spurs shot 30% at the same time. That combo will equal a loss for pretty much any team that isn't leading by 20+ entering the final period.

Obstructed_View
01-11-2010, 04:16 PM
The Spurs are going to need another big in the rotation if they want to compete. If only they had a young seven foot shot blocker somewhere.

Where my mulfuckin' Spur at?

Ed Helicopter Jones
01-11-2010, 05:58 PM
Where my mulfuckin' Spur at?

I caught that, too. Nice work!! :tu


Let's see if that NJ game was a fluke...I hope not.