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timvp
01-13-2010, 02:47 PM
The San Antonio Spurs were desperate for a quality win with the Los Angeles Lakers in town. Following a 105-85 victory, the Spurs and their fans have to be happy. That said, Pau Gasol missed the game and Kobe Bryant missed time during the contest due to back spasms, so the true quality of the win may be in question.

Early on, the Lakers controlled the game. They appeared to be the crisper team and played with much more cohesion. Thankfully, the Spurs got rolling at the end of the first quarter. San Antonio looked really good in the second quarter and until midway through the third. At that point, the Spurs had as much as a 22-point lead.

Then, unfortunately, the wheels fell off for the Spurs. The ball movement stagnated and the defense -- particularly in the paint -- was on life support. Halfway through the fourth, the Lakers had cut it all the way down to a 6-point game. With the game seemingly in the balance, a Tim Duncan layup sparked an 8-0 run and the Spurs were able to blow it open at the end.

As for the Lakers, Bryant looked very good early but he was forced to the locker room a few times due to his back -- and eventually left for good before the start of the fourth quarter. Andrew Bynum showed why he's one of the best young centers in the league, while Ron Artest played a tough, physical brand of basketball. Once Gasol and the rest of the Lakeshow are healthy, there's no doubt that they have to be considered the favorites in the Western Conference.

Overall, the Spurs should be content with the win. The slump in the second half and the fact that the Lakers were short-handed will temper the enthusiasm about a 20-point win against the Lakers, but there is still much to be proud about.

Tim Duncan
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39:48 minutes, 25 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 blocks, 2 steals, 2 turnovers
12-for-19 from the field, 1-for-4 at the line

What more can be said about Tim Duncan this year? He was supposed to be entering the final stages of his career but has instead been as big a part of the team as ever. Offensively against the Lakers, he made L.A. pay for not sending more double-teams. His shot selection was very good and he played under control. On defense, I was satisfied. Bynum scored on him a number of times but Duncan held Bynum to one point per shot (23 points on 23 attempts) and did so without much double-team help or getting in foul trouble. Very good game.

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Manu Ginobili
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25:27 minutes, 9 points, 6 assists
3-for-6 from the field, 2-for-5 on three-pointers, 1-for-3 at the line

When Manu Ginobili entered the game in the first quarter, the Spurs trailed by six points. By the time he left the game, the Spurs were up by seven. He had three assists in the first quarter to really get the ball moving and that opened up the offense for everyone. Ginobili didn't shoot much but he was very much a key cog on offense. Defensively, he surprisingly got a lot of minutes against Bryant. While Bryant scored on Ginobili most of the time, it wasn't for a lack of effort by Ginobili. Best of all, Ginobili continues to look healthy.

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Tony Parker
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34:26 minutes, 22 points, 6 assists, 2 rebounds, 2 steals
10-for-18 from the field, 2-for-3 at the line

After the game, we learned that Tony Parker is dealing with plantar fasciitis. That is definitely bad news and could haunt Parker and the Spurs for the rest of the season. Let's hope for the best. As for the game against the Lakers, it was a tale of two halves for Parker. In the first half, he looked like a hobbled man on his last leg. In the second half, he caught on fire and was the reason why the Spurs extended their 12-point halftime lead to 22. To begin the third, he scored or assisted on all 17 points the Spurs scored in the first five and a half minutes. Going forward, Parker's health will be one of the most important storylines of the season.

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Richard Jefferson
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34:05 minutes, 12 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 turnovers
5-for-8 from the field, 2-for-2 on three-pointers

Richard Jefferson was frustrating to watch on Tuesday night. On defense, I thought his play against Ron Artest left a lot to be desired in terms of smarts. He bailed Artest out a few times by just not following the team's defensive principles. The rare times he matched up with Bryant, Jefferson looked to be totally overmatched. On offense, I thought he picked his spots well and did a good job blending in -- although he could have been more aggressive. Most egregious was his sloppy play on the offensive end. All in all, it was a night to forget for Jefferson.

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Keith Bogans
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24:35 minutes, 2 points, 7 rebounds
1-for-6 from the field, 0-for-4 on three-pointers

This game was supposed to be about Keith Bogans getting his first shot in a Spurs uniform against Bryant to show what he could do. As it turns out, Bogans didn't spend much time on Bryant. Though it was difficult to measure considering Bryant's injury issues, Bogans appeared to do good work against the Lakeshow's superstar -- especially on the low block. Offense was a totally different story. The Lakers were leaving Bogans open and Bogans couldn't deliver. Since Bogans has been red hot as of late, hopefully this was just a one game aberration.

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DeJuan Blair
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7:07 minutes, 2 points, 2 rebounds
1-for-2 from the field

DeJuan Blair doesn't back down from many opponents. However this time, the burly rookie has met his match: the rookie wall. At Pittsburgh last season, Blair played in 35 games. He just played in game number 36 for the Spurs. This is the exact point in the season in which rookies hit the wall. Versus the Lakers, he played seven empty minutes. When will he defeat the wall? Will he defeat the will? We'll have to wait and see.

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George Hill
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27:57 minutes, 13 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 steals
6-for-7 from the field, 1-for-1 on three-pointers

I've been hard on George Hill for most of the season. I just wasn't seeing the progress I wanted to see from his rookie campaign to his sophomore campaign. Now, if he keeps playing how he did against the Lakers, you can go ahead and scratch all my criticism. Hill was awesome. His defense against both Bryant and Artest was very, very good. He battled on the boards and his ability to get out and run the break is weapon. Offensively, Hill handed out a season-high six assists. He played very smart on offense and made near flawless decisions. Not surprisingly, Hill lead the way in plus/minus with a +17.

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Antonio McDyess
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23:36 minutes, 8 points, 5 rebounds
4-for-6 from the field, 0-for-1 at the line

Antonio McDyess continues to atone for his sins against the Dallas Mavericks last week. His chemistry with his teammates is rising, which allows him to make smarter cuts away from the ball. He's letting his jumper fly but isn't as much of a one-trick pony because he's actually getting into the painted area at times. On defense, his perimeter defense on Lamar Odom was outstanding. When in the post, his defense was also really good. All told, it was a good night for McDyess.

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Roger Mason, Jr.
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17:28 minutes, 9 points, 2 rebounds
4-for-9 from the field, 1-for-3 on three-pointers

Roger Mason, Jr. shouldn't be overlooked. At the end of the first and the beginning of the second, he might have been the best player on the court for the Spurs. He shot well, took the right shots, made the right plays and performed with loads of confidence. When he's playing like that, Mason is a really good piece to the puzzle. Mason didn't get much time in the second half but he more than did his part in the first two quarters.

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Theo Ratliff
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3:54 minutes, 2 assists

Theo Ratliff played the first four minutes of the second quarter to buy some rest for Duncan. In that short stint, Ratliff was very effective. His defense was stellar, as he used his athleticism to both protect the rim and play strong team defense. Even though he didn't come down with any boards, his effort on the glass was commendable. On the offensive end, he uncharacteristically made a number of quality passes.

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Gregg Popovich
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Pop coached like he really wanted this win. He played Duncan 40 minutes (it would have been longer if not for the blowout at the end) and trimmed his rotation in the second half. I can't be too angry with any of his decisions. Perhaps more Mason and less Jefferson in the second half, although Jefferson getting playing time now is important. Hill getting bonus minutes was a smart move. We'll have to see how the Spurs play against the Oklahoma City Thunder on Wednesday to determine whether or not Pop provided sufficient rest against the Lakers.

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Offense

The best offensive season in the Tim Duncan Era continues. The Spurs shot 57.3% from the floor and hit 7-of-16 three-pointers. The Spurs finished with 29 assists and 12 turnovers -- both good numbers. The only thing that can be complained about is the free throw quantity and accuracy (4-for-11). Take out the slump in the middle of the second half and this was some of the best offense we've seen from the Spurs this season.

Defense

The defense wasn't great but it was steady. The Lakers never scored more than 23 points in a quarter and shot 44.2% from the floor. The Spurs defended the three-point line well (2-for-7), kept the Lakers off the line (16), limited assists (13) and had the advantage on the boards (39-37). While the Spurs aren't too concerned with forcing turnovers, their 15 forced turnovers proved crucial because they directly led to 27 points on the other end.

Drive to Five

In a way, the meaningfulness of this win against the Lakers will be easier to quantify following Wednesday's game at Oklahoma City. The back-to-back will be challenging but a win against the Thunder in this situation could be a turning point in the season.

Believe.

ElNono
01-13-2010, 02:48 PM
Thanks Sir! :tu

Mark in Austin
01-13-2010, 03:08 PM
The Parker PF news was definitely a downer. Looking at the schedule the Spurs could give Tony a solid 15 days off around the all star break - last game 2/8 vs the Lakers, then missing:
2/11 @ Denver,
2/17 @Indy,
2/19 @ Philly &
2/21 @ Denver.

First game back could be 2/24 vs OKC. Too bad the break would be over the rodeo road trip that typically is the capstone for team chemistry building.

Plus I seem to recall with Duncan's PF that two week's rest really wouldn't help - that what was needed was a longer chunk of time. Anybody recall?

DAF86
01-13-2010, 03:29 PM
I'm worried about Tony's injury, he got hot last night in the second half but it was mainly because his jump shot started to fall, we need Tony to be able to get to the rim.

Obstructed_View
01-13-2010, 03:57 PM
Roger Mason, Jr.
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17:28 minutes, 9 points, 2 rebounds
4-for-9 from the field, 1-for-3 on three-pointers

Roger Mason, Jr. shouldn't be overlooked. At the end of the first and the beginning of the second, he might have been the best player on the court for the Spurs. He shot well, took the right shots, made the right plays and performed with loads of confidence. When he's playing like that, Mason is a really good piece to the puzzle. Mason didn't get much time in the second half but he more than did his part in the first two quarters.


WRONG.

During that stretch, he was absolutely the best player on the court for the Spurs. If that Roger Mason shows up for the rest of the season, not only will he be starting by the all-star break, the Spurs will be very very tough to beat.

JWest596
01-13-2010, 04:04 PM
Very good after game report..thanks

there's always a spring in my step when we beat Los Angeles. Food tastes better, beer is colder, SO is .....never mind.

timvp
01-13-2010, 04:38 PM
WRONG.

During that stretch, he was absolutely the best player on the court for the Spurs. If that Roger Mason shows up for the rest of the season, not only will he be starting by the all-star break, the Spurs will be very very tough to beat.

:tu

Mason seems like the one player who sometimes has that Go-Big-Or-Die-Tryin' swagger that Stephen Jackson brought to the 2003 underdog team. That will be needed when the Spurs try to slay the giants.

Phenomanul
01-13-2010, 04:43 PM
I was even impressed by Ginobili's lone rebound which didn't make your summary.

phxspurfan
01-13-2010, 04:48 PM
WRONG.

During that stretch, he was absolutely the best player on the court for the Spurs. If that Roger Mason shows up for the rest of the season, not only will he be starting by the all-star break, the Spurs will be very very tough to beat.

Until his shot goes cold and he subsequently loses all of his confidence.

Old School 44
01-13-2010, 04:59 PM
In a way, the meaningfulness of this win against the Lakers will be easier to quantify following Wednesday's game at Oklahoma City. The back-to-back will be challenging but a win against the Thunder in this situation could be a turning point in the season.

Yes, couldn't agree more.


Pop coached like he really wanted this win.

I hope Pop recognizes this, and has this same mindset for OKC as he did for the Lakers.

boutons_deux
01-13-2010, 05:01 PM
RMJ was superb in the season, but disappeared in the playoffs.

Some players step it up, some step it down.

EricB
01-13-2010, 05:02 PM
Yes, couldn't agree more.



I hope Pop recognizes this, and has this same mindset for OKC as he did for the Lakers.


So you want pop to play Duncan 40 minutes again?

Old School 44
01-13-2010, 05:04 PM
So you want pop to play Duncan 40 minutes again?

Not necessarily, I just don't want him to concede the back-to-back by starting Ratliff and McDyess.

quentin_compson
01-13-2010, 05:13 PM
I really liked what Hill, Bogans, and Manu brought to the table defensively. It was a shame that Manu's block against Artest was called a foul. Duncan has had better games defensively to be sure, but it was an impressive performance nonetheless.

Overall, it was a needed and well-deserved win against a quality opponent, even though we shouldn't read too much in it with Gasol being out and Kobe banged up.

igruex
01-13-2010, 05:19 PM
:tu

Mason seems like the one player who sometimes has that Go-Big-Or-Die-Tryin' swagger that Stephen Jackson brought to the 2003 underdog team. That will be needed when the Spurs try to slay the giants.

Yet, he's a kind of player that depends absolutely on his shooting, at the same time, he's a streaky shooter, therefore I think it'll be a matter of catching the right wave at the right time.

IronMexican
01-13-2010, 05:20 PM
The Spurs are just lucky they made their shots. What happens when those shots don't go in? They're going to be in trouble.

Obstructed_View
01-13-2010, 05:23 PM
So you want pop to play Duncan 40 minutes again?

I really don't understand how anyone could think your broken record ass could be the best caller on Kori's show.

IronMexican
01-13-2010, 05:23 PM
I really don't understand how anyone could think your broken record ass could be the best caller on Kori's show.

:lmao

EricB
01-13-2010, 05:26 PM
I really don't understand how anyone could think your broken record ass could be the best caller on Kori's show.


So grumpy. Take it out on a pillow :-)

Obstructed_View
01-13-2010, 05:28 PM
Yet, he's a kind of player that depends absolutely on his shooting, at the same time, he's a streaky shooter, therefore I think it'll be a matter of catching the right wave at the right time.

Kid's gone through a brutal shooting slump. He's going to be hot and cold for a while because coming off those kinds of slumps are akin to getting to where you trust a healed ankle or knee. Last night was the first time I've seen any of that swagger from him this season. I expect that if he can keep his head up and his shot continues to fall he'll have the confidence to play through it on nights where his shot's not dropping.

Obstructed_View
01-13-2010, 05:30 PM
So grumpy. Take it out on a pillow :-)

Not sure what that means. You're like ducks with the ability to capitalize and punctuate.

Mr.Bottomtooth
01-13-2010, 05:38 PM
I really don't understand how anyone could think your broken record ass could be the best caller on Kori's show.

:lmao

Phenomanul
01-13-2010, 05:50 PM
RMJ was superb in the season, but disappeared in the playoffs.

Some players step it up, some step it down.

Insufficient sample size for you to make that claim.

Much of his drop in play was due to the absence of Ginobili....

Obstructed_View
01-13-2010, 05:53 PM
Insufficient sample size for you to make that claim.

Much of his drop in play was due to the absence of Ginobili....

When the coach proclaims to the heavens for a year that the team doesn't stand a chance without a healthy player X, and then player X goes down, what does anyone expect?

PerforatedNeckline
01-13-2010, 05:57 PM
One thing about Tony's injury: even WITH it, the Spurs are having their best offensive season in years. Obviously if he was completely healthy, we'd be scary good in terms of scoring, but even with his foot problems, we've got the personnel to cover for it on that end of the floor.

igruex
01-13-2010, 06:02 PM
Kid's gone through a brutal shooting slump. He's going to be hot and cold for a while because coming off those kinds of slumps are akin to getting to where you trust a healed ankle or knee. Last night was the first time I've seen any of that swagger from him this season. I expect that if he can keep his head up and his shot continues to fall he'll have the confidence to play through it on nights where his shot's not dropping.

None of us pretend him to contribute nearly as much as Manu when having an off night on the shooting department, yet, I can't find any way for RMJ to contribute (continue to play) without being hot.

All that said, Finley usually managed to play without hitting a single shot for long stretches, I really hope Pop has only one man crush on the Spurs.

Phenomanul
01-13-2010, 06:03 PM
When the coach proclaims to the heavens for a year that the team doesn't stand a chance without a healthy player X, and then player X goes down, what does anyone expect?

So are you also suggesting the RMJ is a playoff choker? That's the premise I was arguing against.

igruex
01-13-2010, 06:04 PM
Insufficient sample size for you to make that claim.

Much of his drop in play was due to the absence of Ginobili....

Even though the sample size's indeed insufficient, what matters is that RMJ could possibly hit one of his shooting slumps come playoff time. The downside on him is that we can't take him for granted till it matters.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
01-13-2010, 06:38 PM
Halfway through the fourth, the Lakers had cut it all the way down to a 6-point game. With the game seemingly in the balance, a Tim Duncan layup sparked an 8-0 run and the Spurs were able to blow it open at the end.

After watching the game again, and thinking about your question about whether we should be happy or not, I have decided we should be happy but not smug. When the lead was down to 6 the team buckled down with a number of good defensive possessions, and our next 5 consecutive scores were layups off a variety of plays (fast break, pnr, o board, extra pass). We haven't shown that level of commitment and composure against a good team yet this season, so yeah, we should be moderately happy.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
01-13-2010, 06:55 PM
TP has pf... that makes so much sense. Bugger - it's the kind of injury you can play through if you can handle the pain, but that needs 2+ months rest to heal. That probably means Tony will be choppy for the rest of the season.


RMJ was superb in the season, but disappeared in the playoffs.

Some players step it up, some step it down.

Or maybe all he needed was some playoff blooding and he'll be better this year.


Kid's gone through a brutal shooting slump. He's going to be hot and cold for a while because coming off those kinds of slumps are akin to getting to where you trust a healed ankle or knee. Last night was the first time I've seen any of that swagger from him this season. I expect that if he can keep his head up and his shot continues to fall he'll have the confidence to play through it on nights where his shot's not dropping.

I must be watching a different team because I think Mason has looked pretty good for the last 3 weeks to a month, and that is certainly reflected in his stats - he's been taking good shots, making good decisions, going to the rack when the opportunity arises (and finishing!), and play energetic D. As long as he doesn't have to play the point he should be okay... :lol

HarlemHeat37
01-13-2010, 06:59 PM
I hope he does step it up in the playoffs, we'll need him..

I don't know if the experience is a factor though..he struggled in the playoffs with Washington the year before with the same amount of playing time that he had in the playoffs with us last year..

Obstructed_View
01-13-2010, 07:31 PM
None of us pretend him to contribute nearly as much as Manu when having an off night on the shooting department, yet, I can't find any way for RMJ to contribute (continue to play) without being hot.

All that said, Finley usually managed to play without hitting a single shot for long stretches, I really hope Pop has only one man crush on the Spurs.

Roger can hustle, he can defend a little (he can at least stay in position), he can handle the ball, and he can pass (when not asked to for long stretches). I think he can do all those things even if he's having a rough shooting night, at least now that he appears to be emerging from the slump. Time will tell if that's possible.

Obstructed_View
01-13-2010, 07:33 PM
So are you also suggesting the RMJ is a playoff choker? That's the premise I was arguing against.

No, sorry. I was suggesting that Pop set the team up to fail once Manu went down. RMJ clearly didn't show up emotionally for the playoffs, but a case can be made that nobody not wearing number 21 did.

Obstructed_View
01-13-2010, 07:34 PM
I must be watching a different team because I think Mason has looked pretty good for the last 3 weeks to a month, and that is certainly reflected in his stats - he's been taking good shots, making good decisions, going to the rack when the opportunity arises (and finishing!), and play energetic D. As long as he doesn't have to play the point he should be okay... :lol
Again, sorry Oz. You aren't watching a different team, you're just watching them more often. I said it was the first time I've seen it, but I assumed from box scores that it wasn't the first time he's shot well. I should have made that more clear.

will_spurs
01-14-2010, 07:04 PM
DeJuan Blair
DeJuan Blair doesn't back down from many opponents. However this time, the burly rookie has met his match: the rookie wall. At Pittsburgh last season, Blair played in 35 games. He just played in game number 36 for the Spurs. This is the exact point in the season in which rookies hit the wall. Versus the Lakers, he played seven empty minutes. When will he defeat the wall? Will he defeat the will? We'll have to wait and see.

Didn't have to wait for too long :flag: