Official All Kobe, All The Time Thread

[Allanon]

+1

So, I'll feed them with two good questions.

1) Kobe returns tonight. In the Lakers last 2 losses to Memphis,

March 28, 2008. Kobe scored 53 points on 19 of 37 shooting, 9 of 17 from 3 point country, and 6 of 7 from the line
February 1, 2010 Kobe scored 44 points on 16 for 28 shooting, 4 of 7 from 3 point country, and 8 of 13 from the line.

I didn't look at the Lakers wins to see how Kobe did. Kobe did pass to Artest in the latter game for the potential buzzer beating win, but this was the game he seemed to go out of his way to pass Jerry West as the leading Lakers scorer.

So, my question is, now that his team has won 4 of 5 without him, how many shots will Kobe take tonight?

Why did you skip all the way to the 2007-2008 season? :lol

Why didn't you list the wins?

November 6th, Kobe 41 points, 19 of 30 shots. 61%
March 3rd, 2009 Kobe 31 points, 12 of 23 shots, 52%
December 22, 2008, Kobe 36 points, 14 of 23 shots, 61%

What is the relevance of how many shots Kobe takes?



This leads to the second question, and it's a tough one.

2) In 2007 no one was probably happier than Tim Duncan when Tony Parker won the finals MVP. Would Kobe feel the same way if another Lakers won the finals MVP this year if the Lakers win it all?

Here's some hypothetical scenarios for a Lakers 2010 finals, don't laugh at them, it's just an illustration:

Finals MVP candidates:

A) Pau Gasol dominates Kevin Garnett offensively and defensively Putting up 20 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 blocks every game.
B) Ron Artest's defense takes LeBron/Pierce/Carter out of their game plan and his offense is strong.
C) Lamar Odom comes of the bench like a man possessed, putting up 20 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 blocks every game.
D) Andrew Bynum finds his game by dominating Shaq/Howard/Perkins putting them in foul trouble every game and averaging 25 points and 20 rebounds.
E) Derek Fisher, in limited minutes, draws 10 charges a game and hits many critical buzzer beaters.

You only have to look at the last Lakers game against Boston to see why these aren't Finals MVP type guys.

2 points in 7 minutes in the 4th quarter.

That has NEVER happened with Kobe on the court and that is why nobody will ever be Finals MVP other than Kobe on his team.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Why did you skip all the way to the 2007-2008 season? :lol

Why didn't you list the wins?

November 6th, Kobe 41 points, 19 of 30 shots. 61%
March 3rd, 2009 Kobe 31 points, 12 of 23 shots, 52%
December 22, 2008, Kobe 36 points, 14 of 23 shots, 61%

What is the relevance of how many shots Kobe takes?


I didn't list the wins because I was too lazy to look them up. I also left off assists. The relevance of how many shots Kobe takes is what fuels most the fire between the lovers and the haters. I'm just stirring the pot, and you shouldn't mind at all. I have nothing for or against Kobe. He is what he is and does what he does. He will be missed when he leaves the NBA. Some will be happy and some will be sad. Besides, I love to own trolls and I guess you could say I am baiting them. MiamiHeat got a good spanking recently. Maybe I can catch a Lakers fan now, but certainly you won't fall for it, you're too wise. :)



You only have to look at the last Lakers game against Boston to see why these aren't Finals MVP type guys.

2 points in 7 minutes in the 4th quarter.

That has NEVER happened with Kobe on the court and that is why nobody will ever be Finals MVP other than Kobe on his team.

I agree another Lakers player would probably never become finals MVP, but certainly the players I listed have the ability to rise up and dominate in a given game. So, I am just baiting to see how people attack or defend Kobe. I may not have anything else to say, or then again I might. Just trying to contribute. Thank you for your reply. Don't ask me questions, answer mine, or just ignore it. :)

[Allanon]

Don't ask me questions, answer mine, or just ignore it. :)

I get the feeling you're not a hater per se or even an ass.

I'm not going to waste our time arguing with you; I save that just for the real haters :lol :toast

[Killakobe81]

LOL funny stuff ...this stuff just makes me laugh it's an never ending battle...the guys on this site fit in to these stereo-types (mostly):

Kobe fananatics: All he needs is 6 rings and he is GOAT they dont care how much he shoots or if we should play inside out in Kobe They trust

MJ lovers: Even if Kobe (or Lebron wins 6) they can never be as great as MJ

Lebron fans (aka Witnesses): he is the Chosen one he doesnt need a ring or 6 titles he is already Greater than Kobe and Mj for that matter ...

Diehard Laker fans: Admit Kobe/ has his flaws (a bit shot hungry, breaks the offense sometimesy on defense when we KNOW he can be one of ythe best defender) BUT we defend him because the HATERS will not give him his due

Realistic NBA fan (insert team name here): Concerned about their team, will question the front office or coach REALISTICALLY, recognize there is a salary cap and will not ALWAYS (but sometimes) sacrifice the future to win now, will give credit to opposing teams or players instead of looking for excuses ...

average Spur fan: Inferiority complex: "the refs and Stern hate us!!" Duncan and David worshipers, Pop bashers who think THEY know more than the 4 time champion coach. Yell 4 rings! fa44ot, rapist!, Or dirk has a mangina crap ...

Real Spur fan: they keep this site the best NBA site I have found. They back their posts with facts or at the very least intelligent and fair reasoning ... they trust in POp and duncan sometimes to a fault ...but they love good basketball above all else ...

Real Basketball fans: They contribute and will engage in healthy debate but don't typically name call or get trolled

Syphatisizer/Bandwagoner: not a fan of theirown particular team but if their "home" team sucks they symphatize with a fanbase, take their side in debates or jump on the bandwagon while their own team rebuilds ...

Troll/Haters: Too many on here to name but because their team sucks, or they have some kind of inferiority complex or even worse a holier than though attitude endlessly bash Kobe, C3p, Dirk etc. BUT if they love a player overlook their flaws

It's funny I bet most on here can classify the high volume posters in to one (or more) of these classes and get a good feel for the NBA forum ... thank God though for teh good posters.
I no longer get upset by the ridiculous posts on here (ocassionally I admit I got trolled) now I respond when i have time ...ignore most of the crap I see and i have had great dialogue with Duns&dave, Duncanowns kobe, Jamstone, Alanon etc.

This is a great site I hate to see it detoriate in to crap ...like it has at times lately ....

[jmill]

So, my question is, now that his team has won 4 of 5 without him, how many shots will Kobe take tonight?

19

32 points on those 19 shots. Pau/Fisher missed 5 FTs in a row late in the 4th quarter, Artest missed a wide open 3 about as bad as you could miss, and Odom had a pretty lolbad turnover that could of cost them the game. TBH, the team sort of imploded in crunch time. Kobe then hit the game winning 3 with 4 seconds left.

Proof, as always, that small sample sizes(i.e. 5 game sample sizes) really don't mean a whole lot, and people generally just use them to argue a point to fit their own agenda. Kind of like what I just did, except that I realize that 1 game doesn't actually mean very much, and I don't actually believe Kobe is some mythical creature who's that much better than everyone else. I'll leave that to Lebron.

Oh yea, more fun with numbers over a limited sample size of games, since everyone enjoys pointing out LA was 4-1 in those 5 games w/o Kobe.



Pau Gasol's FG% in those 5 games without Kobe: 48%
Pau Gasol's lifetime FG% with Kobe: 56%
Pau Gasol's lifetime FG% without Kobe: 50%

Looks like there's a correlation there.

[redzero]

I have an obligation to post this.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9379/godbe.png

[JamStone]

Props to ESPN for not making Kobe's game winner a top ten play... of course they did give Kobe a game winner montage to end the show though lmaoooo

[DAF86]

Most FGM in the final 24 seconds of a one-possesion game since 2002-03:

1-Lebron - 25
2-Kobe - 24

I bet all you Kobe lovers thought he was the one leading this category.

[jmill]

Most FGM in the final 24 seconds of a one-possesion game:

1-Lebron - 25
2-Kobe - 24

I bet all you Kobe lovers thought he was the one leading this category.

No, don't really care either. Lebron is and has been the best player in the NBA for a while. Sorry to disappoint.

[ChrisRichards]

ESPN

Reporter: What is it about this guy (Kobe) that makes him so great during clutch situations?
Phil: (straight face) He's lucky.


love phil


:lol:lol:lol

[bostonguy]

If Kobe wants to have 4-6 more kickass seasons, he needs to take better care of his body. Sitting out for 17 days was the best thing for him. He looks fresh.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

If Kobe wants to have 4-6 more kickass seasons, he needs to take better care of his body. Sitting out for 17 days was the best thing for him. He looks fresh.

i thought he looked a step slow, wasn't cutting/planting as fast. still raped with utmost efficiency

[IronMexican]

No, don't really care either. Lebron is and has been the best player in the NBA for a while. Sorry to disappoint.
:tu

Most FGM in the final 24 seconds of a one-possesion game since 2002-03:

1-Lebron - 25
2-Kobe - 24

I bet all you Kobe lovers thought he was the one leading this category.

Seriously? Lol. LeBron leading by one. Who gives a shit.

[supervietnamlakers]

hi my name is bao, im a big vietnamese lakers fans. i ask y people hating on kobe so much?:depressed

[Allanon]

hi my name is bao, im a big vietnamese lakers fans. i ask y people hating on kobe so much?:depressed

Bao, this is a Spurs forum. So this is the "game" we have to play here. :lol

A) Kobe hater says shit about Kobe
B) Reasonable fan says good thing about Kobe back to hater
C) Start over

[Kobe Bryant Fan]

Man, I am impressed there is a Kobe Bryant stickied thread here. LeBron sucks, that's why he doesn't have one. Kobe for MVP!

[supervietnamlakers]

Bao, this is a Spurs forum. So this is the "game" we have to play here. :lol

A) Kobe hater says shit about Kobe
B) Reasonable fan says good thing about Kobe back to hater
C) Start over
i see. thanks much men. i never understand this hate. but i guess people hate great players. nothing new hehehe.

[BadOdor]

i see. thanks much men. i never understand this hate. but i guess people hate great players. nothing new hehehe.

Son, what kind of stupid name is Bao??!! are you a fucken Chihuahua?

[Cane]

Bao, this is a Spurs forum. So this is the "game" we have to play here. :lol

A) Kobe hater says shit about Kobe
B) Reasonable fan says good thing about Kobe back to hater
C) Start over

Definitely has that but you're also forgetting:

1A) Before this sticky, the amount of threads pro-Kobe trolls made was nuts and turned turned the NBA forum into a Kobe one. Most of it was about stupid and minor shit and worse than the already low quality of threads around here.

I blame Kool Aid Woman and the other such shitty fans around here. Also dumb shit like saying Kobe > Jordan also warrants a special place for those special people.

[RedsLakers24]

Deshawn Stevenson About Bryant and James - Kobe is better all around player than Lebron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVIBjPL1NFo&feature=player_embedded

[IronMexican]

Deshawn Stevenson thinks he's better than LeBron.

[Cry Havoc]

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2010/03/kobe-bryant-punches-iguodala-where-the-sun-dont-shine-video/

Classy, Kobe.

[JamStone]

Was already a thread about that...

Andre should just give Kobe $10. Seems like a pretty harmless handjob right there. Kobe a celebrity, so maybe it's worth $25.

[king andoks]

I know, why is there all this Kobe hate? I'd love to give Kobe a nice big pixie hug and cherish that moment for a lifetime. All of you know, if you had a chance you would show your flamboyant ways with Kobe.

[Venti Quattro]

http://www.the33tv.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2010-03/52512394-01184717-400225.jpg

[Venti Quattro]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100228/capt.ed66b62f57894b179153377dce9e74a4.nuggets_lake rs_basketball_cadm108.jpg

[noob cake]

Kome is a closet homo; he had to rape that white hoe in order to establish his 'heterosexuality' orientation in the league.

[ChrisRichards]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100228/capt.ed66b62f57894b179153377dce9e74a4.nuggets_lake rs_basketball_cadm108.jpg

I swear Gasol gives the manliest hug in the league. Something's wrong with that guy. http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/88026172.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D05222C5358031D532 EB5D7A5A9ACB5A417C050FC19AF41F7BE30A760B0D811297
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[Brazil]

hi my name is bao, im a big vietnamese lakers fans. i ask y people hating on kobe so much?:depressed

better being hated than ignored

[Spurologist]

:lmao

Kobe is Matt Barnes' bitch

[mogrovejo]

Kobe Bryant



22.1 field goal attempts per game -- 45.9%
4.1 three point attempts -- 31.4% -- lowest 3FG% in seven years
7.3 free throw attempts per game -- 82.3% -- second lowest number of FTAs in the last eight years. Lowest last season.
eFG% -- 48.8% -- lowest in five seasons
True shooting percentage -- 54.6% -- lowest in seven years. It was 56-58% for the previous four years.
Assist rate - 22.7% -- lowest since.... 1999/2000.
Rebounding rate - 7.5% --- lowest since... 1998/1999.
Shot-blocking rate - 9.7% --- career low.
FG% for shots at the rim - 58.1%. Career low, in the last 3 years: 66%, 63%, 64%
And yet his usage rate is increasing for the 3rd consecutive season - it's like the better his teammates are, the more Kobe tries to act as the "saviour" and "the man".

Kobe's game has dropped off this season big, big time and it's a trend that started awhile ago - and the quality of his teammates, especially defensively+rebounding wise is hiding it.

[Double-Up]

Kobe Bryant



22.1 field goal attempts per game -- 45.9%
4.1 three point attempts -- 31.4% -- lowest 3FG% in seven years
7.3 free throw attempts per game -- 82.3% -- second lowest number of FTAs in the last eight years. Lowest last season.
eFG% -- 48.8% -- lowest in five seasons
True shooting percentage -- 54.6% -- lowest in seven years. It was 56-58% for the previous four years.
Assist rate - 22.7% -- lowest since.... 1999/2000.
Rebounding rate - 7.5% --- lowest since... 1998/1999.
Shot-blocking rate - 9.7% --- career low.
FG% for shots at the rim - 58.1%. Career low, in the last 3 years: 66%, 63%, 64%
And yet his usage rate is increasing for the 3rd consecutive season - it's like the better his teammates are, the more Kobe tries to act as the "saviour" and "the man".
Kobe's game has dropped off this season big, big time and it's a trend that started awhile ago - and the quality of his teammates, especially defensively+rebounding wise is hiding it.

+1...truer words have never been spoken. (in this thread at least)

[redzero]

I'm glad Kobe reached his elbowing quota for the day.

[picc84]

Kobe is declining. Thats no secret.

[Donkeybong]

+1...truer words have never been spoken. (in this thread at least)

i guess that has nothing doing with all his injuries huh? :rolleyes

He's lost explosiveness, that's for sure. But when healthy, he's still at the top of his game.

[DPG21920]

i guess that has nothing doing with all his injuries huh? :rolleyes

He's lost explosiveness, that's for sure. But when healthy, he's still at the top of his game.

Sounds like Spurs fans and Manu. Welcome.

[RsxPiimp]

Kobe has played 14 years. He also played the most minutes among active NBA players right now (including post season minutes). Its amazing his craft is still at this level. Most of his peers have seen a huge drop or are out of the league. Kobe's still leading the Lakers with solid numbers across the board and he's probably going to win his second Finals MVP. Thats truly remarkable if you put things in perspective.

[TampaDude]

Kobe is declining. Thats no secret.

+1 He's still got mad game, but time catches up to all of them sooner or later.

[mogrovejo]

Kobe has played 14 years. He also played the most minutes among active NBA players right now (including post season minutes). Its amazing his craft is still at this level. Most of his peers have seen a huge drop or are out of the league. Kobe's still leading the Lakers with solid numbers across the board and he's probably going to win his second Finals MVP. Thats truly remarkable if you put things in perspective.

Sure. He's still a top-5 player in the league, although he's not nearly as good as LBJ. But that's not the point: the problem is that he plays like he's getting better and his teammates worse when exactly the opposite is happening.

[RsxPiimp]

Sure. He's still a top-5 player in the league, although he's not nearly as good as LBJ. But that's not the point: the problem is that he plays like he's getting better and his teammates worse when exactly the opposite is happening.

That is my gripe as well. Kobe has been horrible with his decision making since January. Kobe had a great start and was the unanimous MVP in November-December, maybe he feels he can continue his early season streak and regain his efficiency thus he kept forcing the issue.

[Killakobe81]

Enjoy your gripe ...he was efficient clutch had assists ... no problem with anyone saying LBJ is better ...
Kobe still the better closer ...has the rings.

[Allanon]

Kobe's game has dropped off this season big, big time and it's a trend that started awhile ago - and the quality of his teammates, especially defensively+rebounding wise is hiding it.

Kobe was shooting a career high 50% before breaking his finger this year.

This was Kobe's best year until he broke his finger and he was high in the MVP race prior to that.

To not mention his broken finger at all in your "analysis" is ridiculous.

Kobe only had 3 good fingers on his right hand the last 2 months.

Has there ever been a player in basketball history that had a better shooting year after they broke their finger on their shooting hand and played through it? :lol

Injuries lower your stats...it's a fact of life. Failed "analysis"

[ChrisRichards]

Do you guys really think Kobe will retain that efficiency? I mean come on now, sure that was impressive but Kobe is a career 45% FG shooter. I have no reason to believe he will magically start shooting at a 50% clip especially when he's 31 y/o

[duncan228]

Long piece on Kobe in the March issue of Dime. It doesn't seem to be online; it's a good read if anyone wants to pick the issue up.

[duncan228]

New numbers on Kobe Bryant in crunch time (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/14218/new-numbers-on-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time)
By Henry Abbott

Through the years, there have been many different sets of data about clutch shooting (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/11587/kobe-bryant-in-a-nutshell). Any which way I have ever seen it sliced (last five minutes of close games to last ten seconds), as I have written on TrueHoop before, it has looked like Kobe Bryant has been a guy who shoots a ton in crunch time, and hits at a pretty good, but not elite, rate.

I'm open to the idea that he could still be the best clutch player in the NBA. At that time of the game, there's value in being able to create scoring opportunities. Bryant may shoot those difficult fallaways that often miss, but he'd be a far worse player if he couldn't get a shot off at all. And that's the situation some lesser players would find themselves in.

Quite honestly, I think the real way to crown a crunch time king would be with video. Somebody should make a TV special where they string together every crunch time touch of the handful of elite end-game players (Bryant, LeBron James, Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony etc.) If we want to tell the world that somebody is the most likely to succeed in a certain setting, let's take an honest and complete look at how they do in that setting. Show me the turnovers, the misses and all that. Let everyone watch all of that video -- not just the makes! -- and at the end of that I think we'll end up with a good sense of who's the best.

A lot of sports fans think it's crazy talk to even consider candidates other than Bryant. And they're especially vocal right now, when Bryant seems to be hitting game-winners just about every night.

So, how's it going?

Very well.

Peter D. Newmann of NBA Statistics and Information Research has tallied some numbers that take into account this season. Here are some of his findings:


* This season, Bryant has made seven of the 12 shots, with a chance to win or tie the game, in the last ten seconds of regulation or overtime.

* Bryant's the only player in the last decade who has made seven such shots in a season.

* Bryant has made 26 of the 89 potential game tying or game-winning field goals he has shot over the last decade. That's 29.2%, which is slightly above League average.

* His game-winners, against the Heat, Bucks, Kings, Celtics, Grizzlies, Heat and Raptors come in a season when no other player has hit more than three such shots. Derrick Rose has the second-most attempts, with eight.

* The best field goal percentage, on potential game-tying or game-winning field goals in the last 10 seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime, belongs to Chris Paul. He has hit three of his four shots. Chris Bosh, Chris Duhon, Tim Duncan, Raymond Felton, Rudy Gay, David Lee, Rashard Lewis and O.J. Mayo are all two of three. This season, the League as a whole makes just 26.7% of its shots in that situation.

* Over the last decade, by field goal percentage the best shooters in this setting have been Carmelo Anthony (13-28, .464), Pau Gasol (9-22, .409), Tony Parker (11-29, .379), Chris Paul (9-24, .375) and Shawn Marion (10-28, .357). Bryant over the same period is 26-89 (.292).

* Bryant has attempted by far the most such shots of anyone over the last decade. His 89 is trailed by Vince Carter's 69, Paul Pierce's 57, Dwyane Wade's 51 and LeBron James' 50.

* Bryant's 26 makes also lead the League, followed by Carter with 20, Ray Allen with 17 and Allen Iverson's 14. Carmelo Anthony, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce have each made 13.

[namlook]

Suns coach just called Kobe the best closer in NBA history yesterday.

"He's the best closer in the history of the game if you ask me," Gentry said. "Yeah, that is including Michael Jordan.

[HarlemHeat37]

* Bryant has made 26 of the 89 potential game tying or game-winning field goals he has shot over the last decade. That's 29.2%, which is slightly above League average.

Kobe is an above average closer, good for him..

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't..

[Allanon]

I heard on the radio that Kobe Bryant has made the most game winning shots in 1 season...EVER. More than the other guys recognized as "clutch" (ie. Bird, Jerry West and Jordan).

No wonder Philip said he'd give the ball to Kobe for the last second shot over any player he's ever coached.

[ChrisRichards]

kobe had 80 attempts. any player with that much attempts is bound to hit a decent percent. i think fisher is much more clutch than kobe. fisher would shoot less than 8 times and probably miss 5 of those but you give him that shot to win a game and he'll win it for you.

[cobbler]

kobe had 80 attempts. any player with that much attempts is bound to hit a decent percent. i think fisher is much more clutch than kobe. fisher would shoot less than 8 times and probably miss 5 of those but you give him that shot to win a game and he'll win it for you.

ChrisRichards and thinking, what an oxymoron. :bang

[ChrisRichards]

I post. you bait. :lol

[cobbler]

I post. you bait. :lol

Hmmmmmm.... WRONG AGAIN. I believe you meant you bait and I post. If that's what floats your boat.... so be it. I actually enjoy pointing out your stupidity, lies, and obsession. :lol

[ChrisRichards]

38%>47%

Regular season stats>Playoff stats


-Cock Cobbler March 12, 2010

:lol

[cobbler]

38%>47%

Regular season stats>Playoff stats


- I sucked Cobbler's cock March 12, 2010

:lol

Since those were your quotes... I fixed it for ya.

[SomeCallMeTim]

That is my gripe as well. Kobe has been horrible with his decision making since January. Kobe had a great start and was the unanimous MVP in November-December, maybe he feels he can continue his early season streak and regain his efficiency thus he kept forcing the issue.

I agree with this. He's struggling to adjust to playing with the latest injury and just slowing down as he gets older. Still a very smart player but his own smarts are thwarted by his stubbornness.

If this team loses to any other squad than the Cavs in the POs, it will be because of the team-destructive habits of players like Kobe, Fisher, Artest, and Bynum, not to mention the recurring weaknesses of Odom and Gasol. If this team plays up to its potential it beats any team except the Cavs... and I'd give them close to even odds against Cleveland even without HCA.

[Allanon]

Kobe's getting over his injuries and it shows.

You can hate all you want but Kobe will have #5 in a few months.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Kobe's getting over his injuries and it shows.

You can hate all you want but Kobe will have #5 in a few months.

If Kobe plays like the Kobe of the 09 playoffs, they'll be hard to beat.

[wanggi]

Some people think Kobe is great when he hit the buzzer beaters.

The problem is the Lakers can win the game easier without his selfishness. Need his buzzer beaters? Of course no need.

[21_Blessings]

The problem is the Lakers can win the game easier without his selfishness. Need his buzzer beaters? Of course no need.

What would you know about winning, wanggi? Kobe already has more championship rings than the Phoenix Suns will ever have.

[KobeBryant]

Yoo, what's up my groupies. Thanks for holding it down for me, but let me worry about me.

I got this. My elbows are all greased up and ready to shoot, YOU KNOW IT!!

-MAMBA

[namlook]

Warriors guard Raja Bell is perhaps most known for his rivalry with Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant.

During his days with the Phoenix Suns, Bell was Bryant's personal defender in multiple playoff series. The heated matchup included verbal jabs, elbows and shoves, a couple of physical altercations and zero love lost.

But ask Bell who's the best player in the game, and he'll answer without hesitation. He won't say LeBron James or Dwyane Wade or Carmelo Anthony.

"Kobe," Bell said. "He's a winner, man. Not that the LeBrons and D-Wades and 'Melos aren't. But he just seems to have a sixth sense about closing and timeliness with his game that I think he's developed over time. I think they don't necessarily have it to the degree he has it yet. They're on his heels. But if you ask me who I'd take to win this year, I'd take Kobe."

The consensus in the Warriors locker room is that they are facing the best player in the game tonight when Bryant and the Lakers come to town.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Warriors guard Raja Bell is perhaps most known for his rivalry with Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant.

During his days with the Phoenix Suns, Bell was Bryant's personal defender in multiple playoff series. The heated matchup included verbal jabs, elbows and shoves, a couple of physical altercations and zero love lost.

But ask Bell who's the best player in the game, and he'll answer without hesitation. He won't say LeBron James or Dwyane Wade or Carmelo Anthony.

"Kobe," Bell said. "He's a winner, man. Not that the LeBrons and D-Wades and 'Melos aren't. But he just seems to have a sixth sense about closing and timeliness with his game that I think he's developed over time. I think they don't necessarily have it to the degree he has it yet. They're on his heels. But if you ask me who I'd take to win this year, I'd take Kobe."

The consensus in the Warriors locker room is that they are facing the best player in the game tonight when Bryant and the Lakers come to town.

Raja and Kobe both put their beef behind them a few years ago. Kobe did act like a jerk and Raja just gave it back, but by next season, they seemed to have genuinely put it behind them, with both going out of their way to show respect to each other on the court and in post-game comments.

They're both north of 30 now, a little older and wiser.

[DAF86]

22 pts, 4/11 shooting, 13/14 from the FT line. Where's BRhornet?

[noob cake]

22 pts, 4/11 shooting, 13/14 from the FT line. Where's BRhornet?

sons nothing new from Kobe tonight. he put up 22 points off of PATHETIC 27% shooting and tons of help from the refs ... 4 of 11 shooting (LMAO) and 13 of 14 from the freebie line (LMAO). get those freebie, bullshit free throws out of my house! its ruining and tarnishing the game!

[duncan228]

...Lakers guard Kobe Bryant has been showing up three hours before games in recent weeks to get some extra shooting before his teammates arrive. Why? “I just need to tighten some things up,” Bryant said. …

Marc J. Spears
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-afterthebuzzer032610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[JamStone]

Last two Lakers games, Kobe has scored 48 points on 21-for-33 (64%) field goal shooting with 0 free throw attempts.

[cobbler]

Love him or hate him.... you have to respect his work ethic. I have had many issues with his attitude and selfishness at times but no more than the issues I have with others lack of effort. It's his work ethic and determination to win that has earned my respect.

[FeZZy]

:lmao

[rhyputa]

How come Kobe slipped that many times? Old legs or the ZK5?

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Nothing new here, just the lovers and the haters feeding each other.....

[djohn2oo8]

Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=110) has signed a three-year contract extension with the Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal), the team announced Friday.

http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/110.jpg
Bryant

The deal will keep Bryant a Laker through the 2013-14 season.
"We are extremely pleased that we were able to reach an agreement and come to terms on the extension at this time," said Lakers general manger Mitch Kupchak. "Kobe has been a cornerstone of the Lakers for well over a decade, helping to lead us to four NBA championships and in the process developing into one of the greatest players in basketball history."

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5050933

[JamStone]

Does the extension also include full GM powers so Kobe can trade Pau to Toronto in a sign-and-trade for Chris Bosh?

[djohn2oo8]

Does the extension also include full GM powers so Kobe can trade Pau to Toronto in a sign-and-trade for Chris Bosh?
:lmao

[ChrisRichards]

Is Chris Bosh really much different than Pau Gasol? I mean seriously, think about it for a second.

[Smooth Criminal]

:lmao

If only

[duhoh]

Is Chris Bosh really much different than Pau Gasol? I mean seriously, think about it for a second.

better rebounder i think? (correct me if i'm wrong)

but still soft. REAL soft.

[ChrisRichards]

better rebounder i think? (correct me if i'm wrong)

but still soft. REAL soft.
I think this season is a wash. Gasol is what averaging 11 boards a game? Bosh is right around those numbers.

[KidCongo]

Is Chris Bosh really much different than Pau Gasol? I mean seriously, think about it for a second.

Bosh attacks the hoop, less post ups.

I'd take Bosh before Gasol.

[ChickHearnMic]

Funny ASS THREAD!!!!!

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Ashy Larry]

All I know is that there's a few games left in the regular season and now would be a good time to go into the playoffs with some so4rt of momentum ........

[JamStone]

I think Bosh and Gasol are close. Bosh a little better perimeter scorer even though Gasol has a pretty good jumper. Gasol a better post-up player and passer. I think Bosh would complement Bynum better so that the Lakers could actually really give that center spot to Bynum. Defensively, I actually think Gasol has become a pretty good defender and Bosh is still a little questionable in that regard. Both about the same caliber of rebounder. Bosh is 4 years younger though.

The thinking would probably be that Gasol has started to mouth off a bit and maybe he's gotten a little too high opinion of himself. However, except for a couple quotes in the media, Pau has actually been a pretty good and accepting second banana to Kobe. Would Chris Bosh be? He's made comments himself talking about he still wants to be the franchise player of a team, not a second fiddle. Could he accept the role of sidekick the way Gasol did effectively for two years?

Talent-wise, I don't think it's necessarily an upgrade or a downgrade but more of a wash. Bosh and Gasol are similarly talented, depending on what things you might consider when you evaluate how good players are. The issue is rather whether Bosh would be a better (or at least as good a) fit personality wise and all the other peripheral factors other than just on the court.

[Muser]

Gasol is the better player IMO. When he's not being a pussy he's the top PF in the league.

[duncan228]

Bryant still hopes to play in Worlds (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-kobeworldchampionships040810)
By Marc J. Spears

Kobe Bryant said he’s still planning to play for Team USA in this summer’s World Championships – if his health permits.

LeBron James and Dwyane Wade announced recently they’re leaning toward skipping the World Championships in Turkey. Both will be free agents this summer and have cited business and family commitments as reasons why they might not play.

When asked Thursday if he plans to play, Bryant said: “As far as I know. Obviously, I got a couple of health issues, one being a cracked finger. We’ll see how it goes.”

Bryant said he had no problem with James and Wade not playing.

“They’re grown men,” Bryant said. “They make their own decisions. At the end of the day, they’re going to listen to what their bodies are telling them and make that call. But it’s something I won’t talk to them about.”

USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo recently told Yahoo! Sports that any player who skips prior Team USA commitments “without a legit issue” does so with the risk they might be passed over for the 2012 London Olympics. Colangelo’s comments didn’t go over well with James, who cited his lengthy commitment to USA Basketball.

“That’s Mr. C’s call,” Bryant said. “It’s his show. He’s done a great job of running it so far. That’s on him to make that determination.”

If James or Wade don’t play, Oklahoma City Thunder forward Kevin Durant – who wasn’t on the Beijing roster – could have a large role in Turkey.

“We don’t have a shortage for talent. That’s for sure,” Bryant said. “That’s never been our problem. Our problem is having a group of guys that play together and play well together. That’s been our biggest issue.”

[redzero]

Kobe's shooting really well tonight.

8-22 and the game isn't over yet.

[JamStone]

8-for-22 when you posted, and Kobe proceeds to go 4-for-6 to end the game.

[MiamiHeat]

jamstone, change your team to "Los angeles Lakers"

all you ever do is suck on the lakers cock. i never see you even ONCE oppose anything kobe or laker related. you ALWAYS find some bullshit excuse or a way to explain and spin it in a favorable way for the lakers/kobe.

[JamStone]

I have never hidden the fact that I'm a fan of the Lakers and Kobe. After the Pistons, the Lakers are my second favorite team. But I'm not a bandwagoner. Growing up, Magic Johnson was my favorite player. And I actually lived in LA for 2 years right at the time of the Shaq-Kobe first two titles. But, hey, you can think and say whatever you want.

And I don't see how stating statistical facts is sucking on Lakers cock. If anything, you and ChrisRichards incessantly posting about Kobe "suck on his cock" more than Laker fans and Kobe apologists.

[cobbler]

jamstone, change your team to "Los angeles Lakers"

all you ever do is suck on the lakers cock. i never see you even ONCE oppose anything kobe or laker related. you ALWAYS find some bullshit excuse or a way to explain and spin it in a favorable way for the lakers/kobe.

As you should change your name to "OBSESSED" :toast

[RsxPiimp]

11 more 30 point games in the playoffs and Kobe will pass West and Kareem on the all time list.

[cobbler]

11 more 30 point games in the playoffs and Kobe will pass West and Kareem on the all time list.

Friggen ballhogs one and all.

[RsxPiimp]

Just shows how great Kobe's work ethic is. 44k minutes and the guy is still a legitimate show stopper and is still on the cusp of breaking legendary records. Very unfortunate he's suffering from injuries, I was hoping he would close out the season with another 2000+ total points.

[duncan228]

Bryant breaks Lakers’ playoff scoring record (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-lakers-bryantrecord)

Kobe Bryant has broken the Los Angeles Lakers’ career record for scoring in the playoffs that was previously held by Jerry West.

Bryant surpassed West’s mark of 4,457 postseason points with a fadeaway 16-foot jumper from the left side just over 3 minutes into the second half of Game 3 against the Oklahoma City Thunder on Thursday night. That also moved him into fifth place in NBA history.

He entered needing only 16 points to match West’s mark.

Earlier this season, Bryant passed West’s record for most career points during the regular season by a Lakers player.

[ChrisRichards]

Just shows how great Kobe's work ethic is. 44k minutes and the guy is still a legitimate show stopper and is still on the cusp of breaking legendary records. Very unfortunate he's suffering from injuries, I was hoping he would close out the season with another 2000+ total points.
44k minutes/ 14 seasons


Still chucking like its 2005

[cobbler]

44k minutes/ 14 seasons


Still chucking like its 2005

Chris Richards... Predictably OBSESSED!

[ChrisRichards]

Thanks man. :toast

[pauls931]

He's old, Lebron has taken his place with Durant as a backup.

[Metheny]

Kobe never had a era he had a year remember that.


It was duncan and shaq's era now its Probably going to be Durant lebron era.

[Cry Havoc]

tNBsg43cdTc

[z0sa]

This thread needs to follow the Oden thread's example.

[Muser]

tNBsg43cdTc

:lmao:lmao

[The_Dude]

Brian Windhorst Twitter: Kobe has taken 1 more shot than LeBron thru 4 playoff games...and scored 44 fewer points. Obviously Kobe struggling but LBJ very efficient.



:downspin:

[himat]

:lmao:lmao

:lmao The newscaster has no idea what to do. He's just sitting there like WTF is going on? :lmao:lmao:lmao

[DAF86]

:lmao The newscaster has no idea what to do. He's just sitting there like WTF is going on? :lmao:lmao:lmao

It's fake, imho.

[Mavs_man_41]

is this where i go to make sig bets with laker fan?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

LOL Thanks Lakers for proving yet again that Gasol is the best player on the team.

Fuckin black mamba almost singlehandedly lost the game with that clanked fadeaway.

LOL bailed out by an ostrich.

[Mavs_man_41]

LOL bailed out by an ostrich.

:lmao that was funny, even coming from a faggot

[cobbler]

LOL Thanks Lakers for proving yet again that Gasol is the best player on the team.

Fuckin black mamba almost singlehandedly lost the game with that clanked fadeaway.

LOL bailed out by an ostrich.

Yeah cause Paus 4 for 11 for 9 pts just totally outshined Kobe's 12-25 and 32. And how soon you forget that they would not have needed the last shot had Pau not thrown up an awful 4 footer the previous posession or his 2 turnovers during that last 4 mins. Did you even watch the game?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

lol @ people saying kobe is the best laker


lol needing to steal an ostrich from the memphis zoo to finally get your MVP and your title

lol only having 1 mvp your entire career and trying to be the best

[ChrisRichards]

Yeah cause Paus 4 for 11 for 9 pts just totally outshined Kobe's 12-25 and 32. And how soon you forget that they would not have needed the last shot had Pau not thrown up an awful 4 footer the previous posession or his 2 turnovers during that last 4 mins. Did you even watch the game?
Only a Kobe homer would say this. Nevermind the fact that Gasol had 18 boards, did a stellar job defensively and had the put back GW.


Why are you such a faggot?

[cobbler]

Only a Kobe homer would say this. Nevermind the fact that Gasol had 18 boards, did a stellar job defensively and had the put back GW.


Why are you such a faggot?

Kobe definetly was the player of the game and only a OBSESSED hater like you would see otherwise. Yes, Pau got a lot of boards. Good thing he did too or his game would have been totally horrible. He was 4 for 11 and had several clumsy turnovers late in the game. The previous posession to the game winner he flubbed a wide open 4 footer. It should not have come to a last shot.

Funny how you argue all year long how Kobe's game winners don't excuse the fact that he was shooting a terrible % in the games and yet now when it's Pau, the tune changes because it doesn't support your Kobe OBSESSION. That you even convince yourself of these absurdities is the comical part. :lol

As for your last comment. How gradeschool of you. Bravo!!!:toast

[himat]

Good point Cobbler, but you have to love Gasol for running in their for the board. It could have been easy for him to say "Well Kobe is taking the shot anyways so what am I going to do?"

[cobbler]

Good point Cobbler, but you have to love Gasol for running in their for the board. It could have been easy for him to say "Well Kobe is taking the shot anyways so what am I going to do?"

I have lots of respect for Paus game. In fact, when he and Kobe are in tune and play off each other they are a force to be dealt with. Some nights it's Kobe, some its Pau, etc etc. I just made the comment to show how absurd CR's response was. Couldn't have asked for a better tip in.

[SomeCallMeTim]

11 more 30 point games in the playoffs and Kobe will pass West and Kareem on the all time list.

Make it 10.

I am encouraged and tentatively hopeful that Kobe may have gotten back on track. He's looked great these past couple games.

No way LA gets past C's/Magic/Cavs without Kobe playing well. They'd be hard pressed against the Spurs, too. Even the Suns would be no cakewalk.

[SomeCallMeTim]

I have lots of respect for Paus game. In fact, when he and Kobe are in tune and play off each other they are a force to be dealt with. Some nights it's Kobe, some its Pau, etc etc. I just made the comment to show how absurd CR's response was. Couldn't have asked for a better tip in.

Today was a good example of how putting Kobe in the post can actually open up scoring opps for Gasol, even though it seems like it should do the opposite.

Kobe was setting up in the high post and posting against his defender and several times dribbled until the 2nd guy (generally Boozer) went over for the double. Kobe then just raised up and dropped dimes to Pau and Bynum. More of that, please.

[doobs]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0134802f972f970c-800wi

[benefactor]

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/ae300/Quiet-Strength/0088.jpg

[Reeko_Htown]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d75/jl0ch0/et-bmx-bicycle-scene-Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2aj0yhd.jpg

[IronMexican]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2aj0yhd.jpg



:lmao

[Scola]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

I'm liking where this thread is going :lol

[DMX7]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2aj0yhd.jpg

Who put Kobe up to this? It must have been the same people responsible for the ShakeWeight.

[DAF86]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

I'm liking where this thread is going :lol

The you would love this thread

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153163

[pauls931]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs391.snc3/23824_545611234139_58803008_32194416_6972353_n.jpg

[Fabbs]

Where did the original thread with Komes coming out pictures go?
The LA Times spread in gay white clothes with mascara?

[ffadicted]

About time the red rocket takes off :smokin

[DAF86]

About time the red rocket takes off :smokin

I'm gonna go ahead and just asume that you posted on the wrong thread.

[Kobe™]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c0/fullj.cebe7a2f8915930d6fbd5a00d9fc3ddb/cebe7a2f8915930d6fbd5a00d9fc3ddb-getty-98746941ng012_lakers_jazz.jpg

[rhyputa]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c0/fullj.cebe7a2f8915930d6fbd5a00d9fc3ddb/cebe7a2f8915930d6fbd5a00d9fc3ddb-getty-98746941ng012_lakers_jazz.jpg

:lmao
they should've held any of those PSed ones

[redzero]

So, is Manu still better than Kobe, Spurs fans?

[BadOdor]

So, is Manu still better than Kobe, Spurs fans?

Son, please don't jinx him like that.....Lakers can't afford kobe going 2-9 like manu's been playing lately.

[Cane]

Lmao TNT crew talked about Sloan's quote about how Kobe is like Miss America. Fun shit.

[DAF86]

Son, please don't jinx him like that.....Lakers can't afford kobe going 2-9 like manu's been playing lately.

In Kobe's case it would be more like 4-18 than 2-9.

[BadOdor]

In Kobe's case it would be more like 4-18 than 2-9.

Exactly son, which is why I don't want spur fan to jinx him. I don't want my team swept like the spurs.
Thanks.

[ChickHearnMic]

http://i49.tinypic.com/mh61dz.jpg

[dbestpro]

I really don't like the Suns, but the calls are really bogus for a WCF. They should call it like the Boston Orlando game. No blood no foul.

[Killakobe81]

Kobe just adding to his lore ...but man jordan has like over 4o more 30 point games in the playoffs

Kobe is GREAT best player since MJ ...

BUT MJ>Kobe ...

[21_Blessings]

ChrisRichards and MiamiHeat nowhere to be found :lol

[mystargtr34]

Kobe just adding to his lore ...but man jordan has like over 4o more 30 point games in the playoffs

Kobe is GREAT best player since MJ ...

BUT MJ>Kobe ...

Please.

[JamStone]

Perhaps arguably "best talent" since MJ, and that's only arguable because of LeBron.

But much harder to argue "best player" since MJ when you must consider Duncan and Shaq.

[Ghazi]

history always finds a way to repeat itself.

lakers dynasty... 2 year bridge with pistons titles... bulls dynasty

spurs "dynasty" ... 2 year bridge with lakers titles... mavericks dynasty

just funny how things work out

torch passed in the '91 Finals... I suspect the 2011 WCF will be like a passing of the torch as well.

[Killakobe81]

Please.

I never said that Kobe was Indisputably the best player ...

This is an Internet "forum" a place to make your opinions known and to make your case ...

I think he is the best player since MJ for the rings, scoring and consistently high levele of great play on both sides of the court even THOUGH he can be sometimesy on defense ...

I disagree with Jamstone ...BOTH Lebron and Shaq have MORE talent than Kobe ...

But Shaq has not shown the drive or dedication to maximize his talent ...IMHO Shaq had the talent and skill for a big man to be the GREATEST CENTER since Kareem AND at least in the argument with MJ Bird and Magic for greatest player of the past 30 years ...but he is not even as great as Duncan ...

Lebron has the physical TALENT to be the GREATEST of them all (even MJ)

BUT He has no rings and cant join this debate until otherwise ...

Duncan>Kobe BEFORE this season but Kobe has been in the league almost the same time and Kobe is STILL putting up MVP caliber seasons ...

Slight edge to Kobe but JUST AN OPINION someone is gonna argue they have TANGIBLE proof that Shaq or Duncan is better?
There is none.

[duncan228]

Kobe makes opening statement to Suns (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-kobelakers051810)
By Marc J. Spears

A week had passed since Kobe Bryant had done anything substantial on a basketball court, and when he walked onto the floor early Monday evening, a bright yellow sleeve covered his troublesome right knee. A report earlier in the day said fluid had been drained from Bryant’s knee, the first alarm in Lakerland that something could be amiss. After the Phoenix Suns twice knocked Bryant to the floor and he was slow to get up, the question was fair to ask: Would Bryant’s injury limit him too much for him to be effective in the Western Conference finals?

Hardly.

Just when it looked like the NBA had discovered a chink in Bryant’s armor, that familiar scowl reappeared. He arched in a tough shot over a pair of defenders, then shook his head in disdain at both his opponent and skeptics. By the time Bryant was done, he had scored 40 points and brought down a 128-107 beating on the Suns.

His message was clear: Until someone knocks him from his throne, he still reigns over the league.

“It just comes with being at the top of the hill,” Bryant said of the doubts that have accompanied his injury. “Just more fuel for me.”

Not that Bryant was lacking for motivation. The Suns ran him out of the playoffs in consecutive years, frustrating him so much that he demanded a trade in the summer of 2007. Bryant’s injury problems and LeBron James’ second straight MVP award also had led many to wonder if Bryant even belonged in James’ class anymore.

Bryant, however, measures his success only in championships, and the start of the West finals signaled just one thing: Eight more wins and he would have his fifth title, leaving him just one shy of Michael Jordan. So when Suns forward Grant Hill tried to get physical with Bryant, the result was predictable: He attacked Hill and the Suns time and again.

Was this personal?

“It’s never personal with me,” Bryant said behind a smirk that revealed it was exactly that.

For all of the Lakers’ struggles, for all of Bryant’s injury concerns, both he and the team have only grown stronger as the playoffs have progressed. He scored at least 30 points in all four games of the Lakers’ second-round sweep of the Utah Jazz, then he didn’t practice a single time this past week so he could rest his legs. A Los Angeles Times report on Monday saying Bryant had his knee drained sent Los Angeles Lakers fans aflutter, but a team source told Yahoo! Sports that the medical procedure took place before the second round.

Bryant was amused by all of the concern. He chided one reporter for being “so observant” about a knee brace he had worn for much of the playoffs in different colors, joked that he was “a couple pounds lighter” after having his knee drained and said “old age” was the key to him settling into a scoring rhythm.

“My legs benefitted a lot,” Bryant said of his week off. “I was just able to take some time off and get stronger, get my upper body stronger. It’s just kind of like training camp all over again where I don’t do much on the court, but I was in the weight room doing what I needed to do.”

Bryant seemed to lack his usual explosiveness early in the first quarter and twice got up slow from the court. He didn’t make his first shot until there was a minute left in the quarter. Even so, the Suns weren’t quite ready to believe Bryant was headed for an off night.

“I don’t think I ever overestimate him,” Suns coach Alvin Gentry said. “You knew at some stage he would try to take the game over. That’s what he does. He’s a great player. He has the focus in one area and that’s to try to win a championship.”

Bryant closed the opening quarter with a flurry, scoring seven quick points to put the Lakers firmly in control. He floored the Suns in the third quarter while scoring a staggering 21 points that included a two-handed dunk and a tough baseline drive for another basket that left him shaking his head at the fans.

So much for his sore knee.

“He looked pretty healthy today,” Suns forward Jared Dudley said.

Bryant coolly drained a 19-foot turnaround jump shot with 9:35 left in the game to push the Lakers’ lead to 103-85. He exited the game 42 seconds later with his 11th career 40-point playoff performance. He is now averaging a dominant 28.1 points in this postseason, including six straight games with 30-plus points.

“He continues to do things that put him in a category of his own,” Lakers guard Derek Fisher said. “We like to compare guys to other guys, but there are times where he does things that nobody else could really do it.”

Yes, this was yet another statement by Bryant. The Suns aren’t getting off easy. He’s hungry and he’s feeling good about his game again.

“When Kobe has the repertoire that he has and the ability to do so many different things,” Fisher said, “when he’s healthy, I don’t know how much more you can do if you’re the opponent.”

[LakerHater]

He sure did carry the ball to cross over Hill!

http://i41.tinypic.com/35l821x%C2%AD.jpg

[TheMACHINE]

Game 1 Kobe - 40 points
Game 2 Kobe - 13 Assist
Game 3 Kobe - 20 rebounds!

[monosylab1k]

lame

[dirk4mvp]

yeah i got tats on my legs, yeah they're spurs and yeah they're on my calves... we've gone over this yrs ago and yet it's still being brought up like a bad joke. it's fuckin' old man and you think it gets to me when you say the bs you do? you think it gets to me especially coming from some chump off the internet? come on now man... i didn't get these tats because i thought i'd shrivel up into a ball and hide when someone put me down about my decision to tat my calves up with spurs, i got these tats because i wanted to, because i like them and because i could give 2 shits less about some bitchmade chump on the internet.

get over it man and add to this thread or get the fuck out already. come up with something clever or shut the fuck up and get out of my thread.

[redzero]

lame

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/73/mavsfans3.png (http://img257.imageshack.us/i/mavsfans3.png/)

[Pelicans78]

Kobe actually had a strong game tonight, other than 3-point shooting.

[LakerHater]

1 rebound away from a Triple Double!

[admiralsnackbar]

LMAO being married to Vanessa:

http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/23/kobe-bryant-maid-lawsuit-settlement-agreement-confidential-vanessa/#ixzz0oqJPxKp8

[HarlemHeat37]

Meh, Kobe is used to settling out of court to get rid of his problems..

[BadOdor]

C'mon, who here would not let kobe rape their asshole for a cool mil?

Hell, luva would probably do it for free.

[Bukefal]

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/73/mavsfans3.png (http://img257.imageshack.us/i/mavsfans3.png/)

:rollin

[jacobdrj]

LMAO being married to Vanessa:

http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/23/kobe-bryant-maid-lawsuit-settlement-agreement-confidential-vanessa/#ixzz0oqJPxKp8

*facepalm*...

[LakerHater]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CqDk4jAv_Y4/S_yw7CarEmI/AAAAAAAADk8/q2mt8KcRwy0/s1600/07.jpg

[Killakobe81]

38 and 10 in back 2 back games ...

First time it was donse since MJ in 1992 ...just saying.

Like someone said ...Kobe aint no MJ but he is the closest we got.

[JamStone]

Kobe's numbers for this series so far. Wow.

33 PPG
9.6 APG
7.2 RPG
53% FG
44% 3PT

[cobbler]

Kobe's numbers for this series so far. Wow.

33 PPG
9.6 APG
7.2 RPG
53% FG
44% 3PT

Other than the first 2 games of the Thunder series, he is having a playoffs for the ages. The haters are just dying inside.

[HarlemHeat37]

Not really, I'll give him credit for a dominant playoffs, he's really feasting on these bad defensive teams, doing what a great player should..

[mystargtr34]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CqDk4jAv_Y4/S_yw7CarEmI/AAAAAAAADk8/q2mt8KcRwy0/s1600/07.jpg

Lol

[JamStone]

Not really, I'll give him credit for a dominant playoffs, he's really feasting on these bad defensive teams, doing what a great player should..

Oklahoma City and Utah were both top 10 defensive teams in the league this season.

Up to this point so far, this has been one of the best complete playoff performances the NBA has seen in a long time. Kobe is dominating. It's his best playoffs so far in his career. Whether he can keep it up all the way through the finals and the Lakers win, we'll have to wait and see.

[ChrisRichards]

Typical Kobe. He always have a great series against WCF teams, nothing has changed. Sacramento, Portland, Denver, San Antonio and now the Suns.


I bet he drops down to earth in the Finals though. 40% shooting 4 APG/3 TO is the standard for him.

[ChrisRichards]

38 and 10 in back 2 back games ...

First time it was donse since mj in 1992 ...just saying.

Like someone said ...kobe aint no mj but he is the closest we got.
no.

[Muser]

Kobe has been a beast this playoffs, even the biggest hater has to recognise.

[The Gemini Method]

look at ChrisRichards hanging on to the single thread of hate as he is unwilling to give credit where credit is due. I, for one, don't like to compare players, but even if I weren't a Laker fan--it would be hard not to notice and be impressed at the recent run of Kobe in these playoffs. Now, if he's able to carry on through to the finals and a repeat championship, there isn't really much anyone can rightfully say. I mean, there isn't anything at this point. Rue the day that Kobe retires because this place would lose a ton of comedic value.

[redzero]

Kobe's numbers for this series so far. Wow.

33 PPG
9.6 APG
7.2 RPG
53% FG
44% 3PT

Shit, that means that Kobe is hogging the ball and being detrimental to his team.

/LeBron hater logic

[ChrisRichards]

look at ChrisRichards hanging on to the single thread of hate as he is unwilling to give credit where credit is due. I, for one, don't like to compare players, but even if I weren't a Laker fan--it would be hard not to notice and be impressed at the recent run of Kobe in these playoffs. Now, if he's able to carry on through to the finals and a repeat championship, there isn't really much anyone can rightfully say. I mean, there isn't anything at this point. Rue the day that Kobe retires because this place would lose a ton of comedic value.
Im reaching there a bit with my hatred sure, but he aint close to Jordan.


Kobe is having a god like postseason, if you dont include his 1st 2 games against OKC, his PER is right around 28-29ish which is pretty outstanding. Ill give him the respect he deserves, because he's on fire since the Utah series, but at the same time what I said is true. Kobe has never had a great Finals series in his career. Last year was very good but falls short among the best of all time and given the hype some of his rabid fans surround him, its only right I put them in their place and let them realize that realisitically they are way off.

[HarlemHeat37]

Oklahoma City and Utah were both top 10 defensive teams in the league this season.

Up to this point so far, this has been one of the best complete playoff performances the NBA has seen in a long time. Kobe is dominating. It's his best playoffs so far in his career. Whether he can keep it up all the way through the finals and the Lakers win, we'll have to wait and see.

Utah's defense is 6 points worse without Kirilenko, a massive margin, making them a below average defensive team..I'm not a fan of his and I think he's overrated, but his impact on their D when he's healthy is undeniable..

No denying that his series' vs. Phoenix and Utah have been straight up dominant..

If he can continue this and win it in the Finals, it could go down in a history as one of the greater playoff runs for an individual..

[The Gemini Method]

Im reaching there a bit with my hatred sure, but he aint close to Jordan.


Kobe is having a god like postseason, if you dont include his 1st 2 games against OKC, his PER is right around 28-29ish which is pretty outstanding. Ill give him the respect he deserves, because he's on fire since the Utah series, but at the same time what I said is true. Kobe has never had a great Finals series in his career. Last year was very good but falls short among the best of all time and given the hype some of his rabid fans surround him, its only right I put them in their place and let them realize that realisitically they are way off.

What would define great? Last year's Final performance wasn't all that bad and in the years when he teamed up with Shaq, he wasn't chopped liver. This argument will be moot because he will be regarded as one of the best to ever play the game. The goal is to win the championship and if you're going based on last year...then how is 32.4 pts, 7.4 assists, 5.6 rebounds, 1.4 steals, and 1.4 blocks on 46% shooting in last year's finals not great? I would hate to see if that is very good--what defines very great? You shouldn't allow your hatred to block all logic and reality and just leave it alone.

[JamStone]

Funny thing is Utah pretty much conceded Pau Gasol's impact in that series. They were letting Gasol get his. They were trying to stop Kobe. They put up to 5 different guys to defend him that series. They tried doubles and triples on Kobe. They were focused on Kobe. Not having Kirilenko at the beginning and a much less than 100% Kirilenko for the last couple games obviously hurt. But the Jazz even without Kirilenko are not a below average defensive team. Especially when Okur getting injured meant more shotblocking and physical play by Fesenko and Millsap.

32 points on 52% shooting is amazing even against a "bad" defensive team, much less one that is good and focuses their attention trying to stop that one player.

[JamStone]

Kobe had a great NBA Finals last year. He shot 43% from the field, not 46%. But it was still a great NBA Finals performance.

Kobe also had a great NBA Finals in 2002 against the Nets.

27 PPG
5.8 RPG
5.3 APG
1.5 SPG
51% FG
54% 3PT

[The Gemini Method]

Kobe had a great NBA Finals last year. He shot 43% from the field, not 46%. But it was still a great NBA Finals performance.

Kobe also had a great NBA Finals in 2002 against the Nets.

27 PPG
5.8 RPG
5.3 APG
1.5 SPG
51% FG
54% 3PT

I stand corrected on the FG %...I read it as 45.7 on the recap, so it was wrong.

[HarlemHeat37]

Funny thing is Utah pretty much conceded Pau Gasol's impact in that series. They were letting Gasol get his. They were trying to stop Kobe. They put up to 5 different guys to defend him that series. They tried doubles and triples on Kobe. They were focused on Kobe. Not having Kirilenko at the beginning and a much less than 100% Kirilenko for the last couple games obviously hurt. But the Jazz even without Kirilenko are not a below average defensive team. Especially when Okur getting injured meant more shotblocking and physical play by Fesenko and Millsap.

32 points on 52% shooting is amazing even against a "bad" defensive team, much less one that is good and focuses their attention trying to stop that one player.

I accounted for adding Fesenko, which is why it's below average and not "bad", IMO..

Either way, I already said it was dominant, I was just stating the facts about his opposition..I'm already impressed, although everybody knows he can do this, but I'll be extremely impressed if he can do it in the Finals vs. a defensive team like Boston/Orlando..

[The Gemini Method]

Didn't he do it last year against Orlando? Boston okay...he has to atone for 2008, but playing the Magic would be playing the same song on repeat. There will be detractors thus again trying to say something.

[HarlemHeat37]

I didn't say he wasn't dominant vs. Orlando last year, he certainly was..I'm talking about this year's playoff run, since it obviously isn't complete without the Finals..

2 dominant playoffs in a row would be really impressive and would really cement his legacy..

[The Gemini Method]

I didn't say he wasn't dominant vs. Orlando last year, he certainly was..I'm talking about this year's playoff run, since it obviously isn't complete without the Finals..

2 dominant playoffs in a row would be really impressive and would really cement his legacy..

I think, though, it would be super cemented if he had the opportunity to do it in revenge against the Celtics. That is my hope--though...I don't know if he'll get the Magic as I'm not ready to say that they'll pull the improbable. But I see what you mean.

[MiamiHeat]

Kobe's career stats go down in the playoffs.

Most of the greats go up in the playoffs.

[The Gemini Method]

Kobe's career stats go down in the playoffs.

Most of the greats go up in the playoffs.

48% for the playoffs so far is going up from the regular season I believe...

[JamStone]

Kobe's one of those players who plays the same way in the regular season as he does in the playoffs. That's a credit to him never coasting in the regular season like some other stars have, take for example Shaquille O'Neal. Kobe is extremely competitive in the regular season. That's a big reason why his playoff stats don't take a huge jump. And they don't go down. They're pretty consistent with his regular season stats.

Kobe's career stats:

25.3 PPG
5.3 RPG
4.7 APG
45.5% FG
34.0% 3PT

Kobe's playoff stats:

25.3 PPG
5.1 RPG
4.9 APG
45.0% FG
33.7% 3PT

Wilt and Magic and Bird and Kareem didn't really improve their regular season stats in the playoffs. People don't mention that when talking about their legacies.

Jordan was more the exception than the norm when it comes to something like that.

[Ghazi]

Kobe's career stats go down in the playoffs.

Most of the greats go up in the playoffs.

WEll Jamstone just posted that his stats stay relatively the same, regular season or postseason.

And this just isn't even true. At least from a FG% standpoint, mostly everyone's stats I've studied go down in the playoffs for obvious reasons (better defenses). D

If their overall stats improve it's because their minutes increases.

[LakerHater]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CqDk4jAv_Y4/S_9WFFmDEyI/AAAAAAAADuE/yf6ePGpI_8o/s1600/08.jpg

[redzero]

Kobe just made some crazy ass shots to put Phoenix down for good and nobody posts in this thread?

[LakerHater]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CqDk4jAv_Y4/TAHz6hRVbuI/AAAAAAAADzU/detiyCZtUJ8/s400/09.jpg

[Killakobe81]

Kobe is the best player in the game ...

I conceded Lebron but after this playoffs i take the title back ...end of thread ...

[duncan228]

Props to Kobe, he's on another level and it's a treat to watch him play. :toast

Kobe is a killer, ask the Suns (http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bryant-251127-lakers-game.html)
'Killer' Kobe Silences Suns
Kevin Ding
The Orange County Register

It was a long time ago that Kobe Bryant said there were just two killers in the NBA. Michael Jordan was still playing, which should answer both the when and who questions.

It was back then that Bryant sat in the locker room at the Rose Garden in Portland in the middle and best season of the Lakers' 2000-02 three-peat, just before playing an elimination game against the Trail Blazers. An interview with Scottie Pippen came on the TV in the locker room, and Bryant half-listened.

Then he said to Pippen but really to himself: "This is your last day of work."

The Lakers finished Pippen's team that day in their first chance.

They did the same to the Phoenix Suns to end the Western Conference finals Saturday night.

This is what Bryant, the killer, does ... and it was perfectly appropriate that he did so this time with blood on his hands. It was his own, which he actually likes because he feels that seeing it motivates him during games, from a first-quarter cut on his left ring finger.

But with the gold "E" in "LAKERS" on his chest splotchy with blood Saturday night, Bryant scored 11 of the Lakers' last 14 points — and assisted on the only other field goal.

"He's the best player in basketball," Suns coach Alvin Gentry said. "And I don't think it's even close."

With the victory, Bryant moved into a tie with Pippen for most playoff victories with the same coach — and he is literally the same, Phil Jackson: 110. Difference is that Bryant has many more days of work, starting Thursday night in the NBA Finals.

Bryant averaged 33.7 points, 8.3 assists, 7.2 rebounds and 1.2 blocks in perhaps the best playoff series he has ever played. He was magical in all three games in Phoenix, even though the Lakers lost two of those. Bryant hadn't played a playoff game here since losing that Game 5 in 2007, after which he asked for the trade that he's now glad never happened.

But that sort of unhappy ending to a series is now the clear aberration for Bryant, whom longtime teammate Derek Fisher said Saturday night "literally can will the ball in the basket" when necessary.

And to relish the opportunity to drive that dagger into the opponent so much, you need a rare coldness.

He did it down the stretch Saturday night. He has done it often in making the Lakers so heavy-footed when the opponent's fingertips are all that's left on the cliff.

Bryant has at least 30 points in the past eight consecutive road games with the Lakers in a close-out opportunity. It's an NBA record. Even Jordan only did it five consecutive games.

This is the killer for you.

"We couldn't quite get over the hump," Gentry said. "Every time we got it close, Kobe made an incredibly tough shot that was well defended. For that, there is no answer."

Said Lakers forward Lamar Odom: "There were a couple plays where he trusted us and we didn't come through, and he decided to take the game over."

One Laker, in particular, is glad Bryant did. Sasha Vujacic's flagrant foul gave the Suns renewed fire. Asked about wanting to kill Vujacic for that, Bryant said afterward: "He's still breathing."

If not for Vujacic's gaffe 1:41 into the fourth quarter, Bryant doesn't have to bring out the best in him for everyone to see, though. Bryant had 26 points entering the fourth quarter.

He finished with 37 points. He had tied Jerry West in the previous game for third-most playoff games with at least 30 points in NBA history. With this game, Bryant tied Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for second place to Jordan.

Although work remains to be done against the Celtics, people are coming off the debate about Bryant vs. LeBron James and moving on to Bryant vs. Jordan. It's true that if Bryant wins his fifth NBA championship this season, he's right behind Jordan's six.

Odom brought up Bryant's goal to be the best player ever after this game. Odom noted that it's easy to say that people want to be the best, but it's hard to believe.

"Not many guys want that responsibility," Odom said.

Bryant adjusted his routine this series to do more shooting before games and less at the early shoot-arounds on game days. Jackson pretty much lets Bryant make all his own calls on that sort of thing now. But then, that'll be the best relationship in NBA playoff history with the Lakers' next victory – and Bryant has given Jackson every reason to trust.

Despite the sleeve on his sore right knee, Bryant shot 52.1 percent from the field and 88.1 percent from the foul line in these six games. And in the end, he killed.

It's what he does.

[TampaDude]

Kobe just made some crazy ass shots to put Phoenix down for good and nobody posts in this thread?

+1 Kobe won that fucking game last night. Period.

[xtremesteven33]

If Kobe can beat this Celtics team....ill consider him on the same level as MJ, regardless of accomplishments..

[pauls931]

If Kobe can beat this Celtics team....ill consider him on the same level as MJ, regardless of accomplishments..

As much as I hate to admit it, he is reaching MJ level, but won't surpass it. He was never on a team that would destroy other teams on a consistent basis like a couple of those bulls teams.

Back in they day, it was usually a matter of how much the bulls were going to beat you by. It's like teams have a subconscious barrier that keeps them from annihilating other teams, but that barrier did not exist with those bulls teams never giving you a chance to come back and just running up the score on you by not letting off the gas.

[XFactor]

As much as I hate to admit it, he is reaching MJ level, but won't surpass it. He was never on a team that would destroy other teams on a consistent basis like a couple of those bulls teams.

Back in they day, it was usually a matter of how much the bulls were going to beat you by. It's like teams have a subconscious barrier that keeps them from annihilating other teams, but that barrier did not exist with those bulls teams never giving you a chance to come back and just running up the score on you by not letting off the gas.

+1

The 1996 and 1997 season, the Bulls averaged 70.5 wins per season in those 2 years and had it not been for the injuries in the 1998 season they might have reached close to 70 in that year as well. After the triangle offense was introduce to the Bulls from 96-98 they were a dominating force in the league.

[JamStone]

+1

The 1996 and 1997 season, the Bulls averaged 70.5 wins per season in those 2 years and had it not been for the injuries in the 1998 season they might have reached close to 70 in that year as well. After the triangle offense was introduce to the Bulls from 96-98 they were a dominating force in the league.

I was more impressed with the first Bulls threepeat.

During the 1996-98 titles, the Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons were all completely finished. The great players in the league by then were not on great teams. Shaq bailed on Orlando. Hakeem had his short pair of titles, Charles tried to coattail on that Houston run, and the rest of the league was still trying to find the next group of young stars. Jordan's best opponents in that second run were the Patrick Ewing Knicks and the Stockton-Malone Jazz. Great players on pretty good teams. But also proven not nearly as great a competition because neither could win titles in those two years Michael went away or after Michael retired from the Bulls.

At least in the first Bulls threepeat, they beat Pistons to finally get to the Finals, beat a Magic Lakers team even though they were old, beat a Blazers team that had gone to the Finals before, and beat Charles in his prime on a very good Phoenix team. I was more impressed by those Bulls.

The Bulls were dominant no matter which of those championship teams you look at. But I think they had to do more to win their first three titles. The league was theirs for the taking in that second threepeat run.

[XFactor]

I was more impressed with the first Bulls threepeat.

During the 1996-98 titles, the Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons were all completely finished. The great players in the league by then were not on great teams. Shaq bailed on Orlando. Hakeem had his short pair of titles, Charles tried to coattail on that Houston run, and the rest of the league was still trying to find the next group of young stars. Jordan's best opponents in that second run were the Patrick Ewing Knicks and the Stockton-Malone Jazz. Great players on pretty good teams. But also proven not nearly as great a competition because neither could win titles in those two years Michael went away or after Michael retired from the Bulls.

At least in the first Bulls threepeat, they beat Pistons to finally get to the Finals, beat a Magic Lakers team even though they were old, beat a Blazers team that had gone to the Finals before, and beat Charles in his prime on a very good Phoenix team. I was more impressed by those Bulls.

The Bulls were dominant no matter which of those championship teams you look at. But I think they had to do more to win their first three titles. The league was theirs for the taking in that second threepeat run.

No doubt, the first three peat was impressive. Those Pistons and Lakers team dominated the last 4 years of the 80's and the Bulls took them out in that single year. I don't buy into the Lakers were getting old though because even though Kareem retired, Magic was still in his prime (31) and young players like Worthy were only getting better.

There is always an asterisk in that first 3 peat however because of the disparity of the wins of teams. If you look at the 1992 season in which the Bulls won 67 games, the disparity in wins between them and the second seeded Knicks was 16 games and 10 games for the 1st seeded Portland Trailblazers. Thats ridiculously huge. The 8th seeded Hawks won only 38 games which is below today's standards.

Nonetheless the first 3peat bulls had less to work with to win those titles which makes it impressive, you're talking about a roster of

C - Bill Cartwright
PF - Horace Grant
SF - Scottie Pippen
SG - Michael Jordan
PG - John Paxson
BENCH
B.J. Armstrong
Stacey King
Will Perdue

[lefty]

Kobe would havw been a good 3rd option on the 98 Bulls team

Dont flame me Laker fans, that was a great team

[JamStone]

Young players like Worthy?

James Worthy was 30 years old at the time of the 1991 Finals.

[JamStone]

Kobe would havw been a good 3rd option on the 98 Bulls team

Dont flame me Laker fans, that was a great team

Kobe comes off the bench on that 1998 Bulls team. He's not replacing Michael at shooting guard or Pippen at small forward and he simply doesn't have the mentality to play point guard.

But let's not get this twisted, even coming off the bench, he'd be the second leading scorer on the team.

[21_Blessings]

simply doesn't have the mentality to play point guard.


This is a pretty retarded statement if you knew anything about the triangle offense. Obviously you don't so I'll give your ignorance a pass.

[D2Procon]

This is a pretty retarded statement if you knew anything about the triangle offense. Obviously you don't so I'll give your ignorance a pass.

Notice the keyword 'POINT GUARD' Kobe is not a pass first player. He jacks up shots at will defeating the whole purpose of a POINT GUARD

[JamStone]

This is a pretty retarded statement if you knew anything about the triangle offense. Obviously you don't so I'll give your ignorance a pass.

I know enough about the triangle offense. That's not why I don't think Kobe wouldn't be able to play PG with those Jordan Bulls. Kobe would play the Fisher/Paxson/Kerr role with Michael playing the midpost. You think Kobe can stand out on the elbow points or top of the key just chucking spot-up three point shots while Michael and Scottie get the vast majority of post-ups in the triangle?

Yeah, ok.

[21_Blessings]

I know enough about the triangle offense. That's not why I don't think Kobe wouldn't be able to play PG with those Jordan Bulls. Kobe would play the Fisher/Paxson/Kerr role with Michael playing the midpost. You think Kobe can stand out on the elbow points or top of the key just chucking spot-up three point shots while Michael and Scottie get the vast majority of post-ups in the triangle?

Yeah, ok.

And you think Ron Harper is starting over Kobe.

Yeah, ok. You're an idiot.

[JamStone]

No, I'm saying Kobe wouldn't start at point guard for those teams.

With Kobe's scoring ability, why would you waste him as a spot-up shooter?

Sure, let's start Kobe and have him out on the perimeter where 95% of his shot attempts are going to be spot-up jumpshots. Um no.

Let him come off the bench and be the main scorer in the second unit.

[21_Blessings]

Kobe would be starting on that 98 team. It's as simple as that. He's a much better version of Ron Harper in just about every way.

Just because he starts doesn't mean he wouldn't move down to the 2 when Jordan got a rest.

[lefty]

LOL at Kobe and passing the ball

[21_Blessings]

LOL @ Duncan getting swept by the Suns

onEnvKrxHVc

The Bulls would have won 75 games that year if they had Kobe. Imagine Kobe and Jordan going at it every day at practice.

[Dr House]

How dare you diss the 4 time champion of the 15 time NBA champion Kobe "JellyBean" Bryant the greatest scorer of this era by claiming he'd come off the bench of any team

[lefty]

LOL @ Duncan getting swept by the Suns

onEnvKrxHVc

The Bulls would have won 75 games that year if they had Kobe. Imagine Kobe and Jordan going at it every day at practice.
Kobe doesn't even deserve to wear a Bulls shootaround/practice jersey

[JamStone]

The Bulls would have won 75 games that year if they had Kobe. Imagine Kobe and Jordan going at it every day at practice.

They'd ridicule each other all practice long with gay slurs, leading to punching each other in the throat, and one or both of them demanding a trade.

[lefty]

http://c.complex.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kobe_jesus2.jpg

http://www.interbasket.net/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kobe-bryant-kick-linas-kleiiza.jpg

[namlook]

Steve Kerr:

"He's the only guy you can legitimately say is right there with Michael"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/30/AR2010053003391_3.html

[lefty]

Steve Kerr:

"He's the only guy you can legitimately say is right there with Michael"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/30/AR2010053003391_3.html
Kerr is an idiot

[himat]

Wow some of you guys are real dumbasses. Kobe would NEVER be a starting point guard on any team. He's a great player. He's a great scorer. Sometimes he's too great of a scorer so he'll go get his own instead of creating for his teammates. You don't want that as your starting point guard.

If Kobe was on MJ's Bulls here is how the lineup would be: Pippen would start at point, MJ and Kobe would be at the wings. Pippen was a great point forward anyways and would be more willing to pass first than Kobe.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm a huge Kobe fan, but the dude is a shooting guard and not a point guard. Guys like Brandon Jennings score a lot and have a lot of flash but I'm sure most people who know a thing about basketball would only say he's a solid PG, not a great one, because he sacrifices the team's initiation of the offense for his own points.

[himat]

No, I'm saying Kobe wouldn't start at point guard for those teams.

With Kobe's scoring ability, why would you waste him as a spot-up shooter?

Sure, let's start Kobe and have him out on the perimeter where 95% of his shot attempts are going to be spot-up jumpshots. Um no.

Let him come off the bench and be the main scorer in the second unit.

Agree with most of it except for coming off the bench. Even if it was for the team's benefit it takes great character to not let that effect one's ego. Especially MJ's or Kobe's. Even if it would help, it wouldn't b/c people would be fighting.

Start Pippen at point guard. MJ/Kobe at the wings.

[21_Blessings]

Start Pippen at point guard. MJ/Kobe at the wings.

The offense would be running inside-out through Jordan in the post. Kobe would and has facilitated the point in the triangle offense a number of times. It's an easy role Bryant and he would have performed it better in just about every facet in comparison to Ron Harper. Especially with his young legs and superior outside shooting.

Not to mention, young Kobe is more suited to defend PGs than Pippen is. Pip takes the biggest wing threat, Kobe chasing PGs and Jordan roaming off the spot up scrub players with Rodman doing whatever the fuck he wants. Best defensive team of all time.

You are serious retarded if you think Pippen would start at "point guard" though. Learn how the triangle offense works. He would be running point forward from the 3.

[BRHornet45]

http://www.absolutecelebrities.com/i/mugshot//BryantKobe.jpg

[lefty]

http://www.absolutecelebrities.com/i/mugshot//BryantKobe.jpg


Is that what you use to scare away annoying ugly white chicks from colorado?

[JamStone]

How many times are you going to call someone retarded and think that makes your argument better?

It's not that Kobe isn't capable of playing point guard. It's the fact that you take away his vast array of skills as a scorer if you make him play the majority of minutes at point guard with Jordan as the main scorer.

Did you think old ass Michael Finley or Brent Barry were better players than Manu Ginobili the couple of seasons they started over him at 2-guard?

It's not always a matter of ability. It's also a matter of balancing the team that's on the court.

Not to mention Kobe's mentality and ego wouldn't allow for good chemistry for it to happen. He'd be breaking off his responsibilities so he could score more. Even as a rookie and a second year player, he couldn't handle not being the main scorer. He couldn't take playing behind Van Exel and Eddie Jones. Ultimately, the team had to make a decision because the chemistry wasn't working and both those guys got traded. Kobe wouldn't work with Jordan on the court for the majority of the game. The best way to make it work before either or both demanded a trade would be to stagger minutes so that Kobe could also be the main scorer in the triangle. Kobe would come off the bench. Not because he wouldn't be a better player than a post-knee injury Ron Harper. But because it would make more sense chemistry wise for the offense.

[21_Blessings]

Stop being retarded and acting like you used to be a Laker fan Jammy. Look how sensitive you get.

Nick Van Exel was a pure point and All-Star in 98. Eddie was a Laker fan favorite and All-Star in 98. They were coached by a tool in Del Harris and they were not running Tex's Triangle. Comparing that to the Bulls situation is well, pretty dumb.

The chemistry argument has no basis in reality when Kobe is just a better, younger, quicker, more skilled version of Ron Harper. And proved he was capable of sacrificing his game en route to 3 straight championships.

Eddie was a playoff loser and Nice Van Exel was the guy that had trouble playing inside-out - not Kobe Bryant.

Phil Jackson of all people is not bringing Kobe off the bench, in the triangle, behind Ron Harper. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. Especially considering how well Kobe has flourished in the triangle, including his younger years.

Jordan was going to retire anyways. Seeing Kobe for what he would eventually become would have only made that decision easier.

[JamStone]

No. You're wrong.

[21_Blessings]

Oh and Buss wasn't paying Eddie Jones that much money regardless. And it turned out to be the right choice as Eddie never lived up that contract.

[LakerHater]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/363170/docfunk1.jpg

[Ghazi]

:lol

[ChrisRichards]

They'd ridicule each other all practice long with gay slurs, leading to punching each other in the throat, and one or both of them demanding a trade.
I honestly dont know who would win between the two, I mean MJ was a tough mofo back in the days, but at the same time his claim to fame was punching Steve Kerr in practice. Kobe? Dude smashed Samaki Walker's face, UFC style.


BUT


Kobe became Chris Child's bitch. I dont think Jordan would ever let a punk ass Knickerbocker like Chris Child get the best of him in a fight.

[Ashy Larry]

LOL at Kobe and passing the ball

what's funny about that?? Figuring he's led the team in assists for practically 7 of the last nine years ......

[LakerHater]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/TSB/Lakers_Rock__Roll.gif

[fevertrees]

10-29 = amazing

[jmill]

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/262/112907782.jpg

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[Killakobe81]

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Funny stuff Jmill

much love ...

[ChrisRichards]

Typical Kobe. He always have a great series against WCF teams, nothing has changed. Sacramento, Portland, Denver, San Antonio and now the Suns.


I bet he drops down to earth in the Finals though. 40% shooting 4 APG/3 TO is the standard for him.
Basically, im right again in this matter.

[21_Blessings]

Except you picked Cleveland to win it all :lmao

[Gutter92]

Does Kobe still have this little bitch voice?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3-lpFToU9k&feature=player_embedded

[cobbler]

Except you picked Cleveland, Orlando, and then Boston to win it all :lmao

Fixed

[LakerHater]

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[ezau]

I honestly dont know who would win between the two, I mean MJ was a tough mofo back in the days, but at the same time his claim to fame was punching Steve Kerr in practice. Kobe? Dude smashed Samaki Walker's face, UFC style.


BUT


Kobe became Chris Child's bitch. I dont think Jordan would ever let a punk ass Knickerbocker like Chris Child get the best of him in a fight.

:lol

[xtremesteven33]

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Greatness :toast

[xtremesteven33]

Wheres that dominate, take-over the game, F*** YOU attitude, take no prisoners, Jordanesque, Black Mamba, Hall of Famer, Better than MJ, Jelly Bean Bryant at???

If He doesnt win Game 5 for the Lakers. (and im not talking about Fisher bailing his ass out again.) im still not gonna put him in the same class as Jordan. Not even close. Jordan at Kobes same age was still dominating the game like no other.

What bullshit excuse does Kobe have now?? Hes got the weapons, HCA, and the best coach of all time...Kobe is a great player but when youre talking about reaching MJ level, he will never EVER be the player he was...

[LakerHater]

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[duncan228]

Moving Pictures: Safely Under the Radar (http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/06/13/moving-pictures-safely-under-the-radar/)
by Rob Mahoney
hardwoodparoxysm.com

Ray Allen’s record-setting shooting performance in Game 2 was beyond impressive, but Kobe Bryant’s showing in Game 4 wasn’t too bad, either. A bucket of turnovers and two triples (Kobe only made six to Ray’s eight) separate Allen and Bryant’s shooting exhibitions, but a look at the stat sheet alone ignores the brilliance that came with the difficulty of Kobe’s shots. He wasn’t catching and shooting wide open attempts, but attacking off the dribble, pulling up in the face of a defender, and hitting from all over. In this installment of Moving Pictures, we’ll take a look at just how difficult some of Kobe’s attempts were, particularly in contrast to Ray’s threes in Game 2.

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[JamStone]

Wheres that dominate, take-over the game, F*** YOU attitude, take no prisoners, Jordanesque, Black Mamba, Hall of Famer, Better than MJ, Jelly Bean Bryant at???

If He doesnt win Game 5 for the Lakers. (and im not talking about Fisher bailing his ass out again.) im still not gonna put him in the same class as Jordan. Not even close. Jordan at Kobes same age was still dominating the game like no other.

What bullshit excuse does Kobe have now?? Hes got the weapons, HCA, and the best coach of all time...Kobe is a great player but when youre talking about reaching MJ level, he will never EVER be the player he was...

Jordan at the same age took a break from the NBA because his gambling got out of control.

[xtremesteven33]

Jordan at the same age took a break from the NBA because his gambling got out of control.

Technically speaking yes, but you know what im sayin

[TampaDude]

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:lol Good stuff...

[MiamiHeat]

Jordan at the same age took a break from the NBA because his gambling got out of control.

look at this pathetic Laker cocksucker, typical Piston fan to blindly hate the GOAT MJ

Hey JamStone, what the fuck does Jordan's trip to baseball have to do with Kobe not even being close to MJ? Deflecting topic with pointless garbage? That's called "trolling" kiddo

and 2) show some proof of this "he took a break from the NBA due to gambling"

It's not true, but you and laker fans like to repeat it cause you have 0 dirt on MJ :)

[cobbler]

look at this pathetic Laker cocksucker, typical Piston fan to blindly hate the GOAT MJ

Hey JamStone, what the fuck does Jordan's trip to baseball have to do with Kobe not even being close to MJ? Deflecting topic with pointless garbage? That's called "trolling" kiddo

and 2) show some proof of this "he took a break from the NBA due to gambling"

It's not true, but you and laker fans like to repeat it cause you have 0 dirt on MJ :)

Why would the face of the league on the best team in the league who was known for his enormous competitive drive and his desire to be the best ever suddenly retire in the middle of his prime? Lets look at the facts.

In 1992, after winning his second championship, Jordan was called to testify in the criminal trial of James Bouler to explain why why Bouler, a convicted drug dealer, was in possession of a Jordan-signed personal check for $57,000.

First, Jordan claimed it was a business loan, but under oath he admitted that it was a payment for on gambling losses for a single weekend.

Then, in early 1993, San Diego businessman Richard Equinas revealed in his book Michael and Me: Our Gambling Addiction...My Cry for Help that he had won over $900,000 from Jordan in golf betting.

Around the same time, MJ was spotted in an Atlantic City casino in the early hours on the morning of Game Two of the Eastern Conference Finals.

After the Bulls won their third championship, the NBA launched an investigation into Jordan's gambling problems to check whether he had violated any league rules. Then, four months later Jordan stunned the world by suddenly retiring from professional basketball.

At the press conference when he was asked if he would ever return he said, " Five years down the road, if the urge comes back, if the Bulls will have me, if David Stern lets me back in the league, I may come back."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/131997-mjs-1st-retirement-was-it-a-secret-suspension

[MiamiHeat]

Why would the face of the league on the best team in the league who was known for his enormous competitive drive and his desire to be the best ever suddenly retire in the middle of his prime? Lets look at the facts.

In 1992, after winning his second championship, Jordan was called to testify in the criminal trial of James Bouler to explain why why Bouler, a convicted drug dealer, was in possession of a Jordan-signed personal check for $57,000.

First, Jordan claimed it was a business loan, but under oath he admitted that it was a payment for on gambling losses for a single weekend.

Then, in early 1993, San Diego businessman Richard Equinas revealed in his book Michael and Me: Our Gambling Addiction...My Cry for Help that he had won over $900,000 from Jordan in golf betting.

Around the same time, MJ was spotted in an Atlantic City casino in the early hours on the morning of Game Two of the Eastern Conference Finals.

After the Bulls won their third championship, the NBA launched an investigation into Jordan's gambling problems to check whether he had violated any league rules. Then, four months later Jordan stunned the world by suddenly retiring from professional basketball.

At the press conference when he was asked if he would ever return he said, " Five years down the road, if the urge comes back, if the Bulls will have me, if David Stern lets me back in the league, I may come back."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/131997-mjs-1st-retirement-was-it-a-secret-suspension


1) Las Vegas gambling that has nothing to do with the NBA is not against NBA rules. He can play blackjack all fucking day if he feels like it. If he feels like gambling $50,000 on a golf shot, he can fucking do that. Nothing wrong with it. He had money to piss away and he can spend it as he pleases.

2) He retired because his father was killed. MJ was already tired of the huge huge celebrity status he had, and was thinking about retiring for a while, but once his father was killed, MJ became depressed and lost all desire to play basketball anymore.

Mj's dad was a huge baseball fan, and initially wanted MJ to play baseball. He had always wanted MJ to play in the MLB.

So MJ went to play baseball to honor his father.

3) When a player retires, he sends paperwork to officially retire from the league. So if he wants to come back, he has to ask to be re-instated to the league. This is what he means by it. It's pretty obvious by the whole context of the sentence.

You have all the facts wrong. You are brainwashed by laker propaganda.

[cobbler]

1) Las Vegas gambling that has nothing to do with the NBA is not against NBA rules. He can play blackjack all fucking day if he feels like it. If he feels like gambling $50,000 on a golf shot, he can fucking do that. Nothing wrong with it. He had money to piss away and he can spend it as he pleases.

2) He retired because his father was killed. MJ was already tired of the huge huge celebrity status he had, and was thinking about retiring for a while, but once his father was killed, MJ became depressed and lost all desire to play basketball anymore.

Mj's dad was a huge baseball fan, and initially wanted MJ to play baseball. He had always wanted MJ to play in the MLB.

So MJ went to play baseball to honor his father.

3) When a player retires, he sends paperwork to officially retire from the league. So if he wants to come back, he has to ask to be re-instated to the league. This is what he means by it. It's pretty obvious by the whole context of the sentence.

You have all the facts wrong. You are brainwashed by laker propaganda.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Like father like son.... hanging with thugs, gamblers, and drug dealers.

[JamStone]

look at this pathetic Laker cocksucker, typical Piston fan to blindly hate the GOAT MJ

Hey JamStone, what the fuck does Jordan's trip to baseball have to do with Kobe not even being close to MJ? Deflecting topic with pointless garbage? That's called "trolling" kiddo

and 2) show some proof of this "he took a break from the NBA due to gambling"

It's not true, but you and laker fans like to repeat it cause you have 0 dirt on MJ :)

Hey, second grade reading level nitwit... it was a response to the comment that Jordan at the same age as Kobe now was still dominating the league. It was an inaccurate statement because Jordan wasn't playing in the NBA at the same age as Kobe is now. He was taking a "break" from basketball. That's what it has to do with this thread. If you actually took time to read before you post your unfounded quips, you'd have realized that already.

As for my saying Jordan retired because of gambling, it's not absolute certainty. It's based on a lot of other people with more credible sources suggesting as much. I do not know Michael Jordan. Never met him. Don't have any inside information or personal knowledge. It was more of a side bash than anything else. The way you swing on Kobe's nuts so much, one would assume you'd have understood that. Yet you still go into your vagina monologues because you didn't use enough lotion before reading my post. Have at it. My comment is based on rumor and non-corroborated reports. Some say Michael Jordan's father was killed because of his and/or Michael's gambling. Who knows? Neither you nor I.

Regardless, it's fairly unimpressive how your ass hairs get all knotted and twisted over a little joking blast on Michael.

[Killakobe81]

1) Las Vegas gambling that has nothing to do with the NBA is not against NBA rules. He can play blackjack all fucking day if he feels like it. If he feels like gambling $50,000 on a golf shot, he can fucking do that. Nothing wrong with it. He had money to piss away and he can spend it as he pleases.

2) He retired because his father was killed. MJ was already tired of the huge huge celebrity status he had, and was thinking about retiring for a while, but once his father was killed, MJ became depressed and lost all desire to play basketball anymore.

Mj's dad was a huge baseball fan, and initially wanted MJ to play baseball. He had always wanted MJ to play in the MLB.

So MJ went to play baseball to honor his father.

3) When a player retires, he sends paperwork to officially retire from the league. So if he wants to come back, he has to ask to be re-instated to the league. This is what he means by it. It's pretty obvious by the whole context of the sentence.

You have all the facts wrong. You are brainwashed by laker propaganda.

It is not "Laker" propoganda Man insiders ffrom NY will tell you the same ...

But Looking back ...be honest.

You actually buy that "there were no more challenges left" bull-shit?

AS ultra competitive as MJ is wouldnt 6 straight titles have been an important goal that mattered?

Look Mj is better than Kobe at this point and I doubt Kobe can catch him ...

But why this blind unsatiable love for MJ?

Arent you an MJ fanboi as bad as the Kobelovers are?

Both are great players (MJ has proved more) but both are far from perfect and you could make claims that other players are better than both ...

I wouldn't but I understand those that do ...

[Will Hunting]

It is not "Laker" propoganda Man insiders ffrom NY will tell you the same ...

But Looking back ...be honest.

You actually buy that "there were no more challenges left" bull-shit?

AS ultra competitive as MJ is wouldnt 6 straight titles have been an important goal that mattered?

Look Mj is better than Kobe at this point and I doubt Kobe can catch him ...

But why this blind unsatiable love for MJ?

Arent you an MJ fanboi as bad as the Kobelovers are?

Both are great players (MJ has proved more) but both are far from perfect and you could make claims that other players are better than both ...

I wouldn't but I understand those that do ...


lol 16th overall pick

[LakerLanny]

Ha ha, Kobe is a Living Legend and the MJ fans are getting butt hurt now.

Kobe is already better than MJ and both of them know it.

5 titles now (this one is in the bag) with #6 to follow next year.

Enjoy! :toast

[Man In Black]

Ha ha, Kobe is a Living Legend and the MJ fans are getting butt hurt now.

Kobe is already better than MJ and both of them know it.

5 titles now (this one is in the bag) with #6 to follow next year.

Enjoy! :toast

Hey LL...Kobe can't touch UNDEFEATED> YOU KNOW IT! YOU CAN'T BEAT IT. YOU CAN ONLY BEAT OFF!!!:hat

[Metheny]

Ha ha, Kobe is a Living Legend and the MJ fans are getting butt hurt now.

Kobe is already better than MJ and both of them know it.

5 titles now (this one is in the bag) with #6 to follow next year.

Enjoy! :toast

This one isn't in the bag secondly those titles that shaq gave him are counted i guess?


How are we butt hurt more annoyed that you even mention his name to MJ's

Wheres the 10 scoring titles
Wheres the DPOY
Wheres the 5 MVP's
Wheres the 6 Finals MVP's
Wheres the consistency
Wheres the Physical Defense
Wheres the influence on basketball forever?

The truth is Kobe is a amazing player one of the top 20 players of all time and one of the best perimeter players of all time he is fun to watch but he is extremely over hyped.

[LakerHater]

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[JamStone]

Thought this was interesting.

These are similar statistics, but which are more impressive? Which player would you take over the other? Or are the stats similar enough that neither is much better than the other?

A: 31.0 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 4.2 APG, 43.4% FG, 31.6% 3PT, 80.7% FT
B: 30.2 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 5.3 APG, 41.6% FG, 33.3% 3PT, 86.5% FT

Very, very similar. Is there an edge one has over the other?

[Chieflion]

Thought this was interesting.

These are similar statistics, but which are more impressive? Which player would you take over the other? Or are the stats similar enough that neither is much better than the other?

A: 31.0 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 4.2 APG, 43.4% FG, 31.6% 3PT, 80.7% FT
B: 30.2 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 5.3 APG, 41.6% FG, 33.3% 3PT, 86.5% FT

Very, very similar. Is there an edge one has over the other?

I would take player B because his TS% should be more impressive than player A, even if it is by a slight margin, meaning he is more efficient while scoring only 0.8 PPG lesser, all while having more influence on the boards and assisting his teammates for shots. If you could list the turnovers per game as well, that would be very helpful as we can look at the assist to turnover ratio, as well as to list the minutes played per game and the PER, steals and blocks because the stats here are not complete and from a statistical point of view do not tell the whole story. If by someway, because offensively, player B in this instance is better than player A slightly, player A has a massive advantage in defense over player B, my pick would be player A.