Rumor: Tayshaun Prince to the SPURS?

[DynastySpurs210]

According to ESPN.com, Detriots Pistons starting small forward is on the move.


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[timvp]

Prince sucks these days. He looks broken.

[Muser]

No thanks, injury prone..

[blkroadrunners]

No. For who anyways?!

[TheSpursFNRule]

someone with insider post the article.

[Chomag]

He is on a huge decline because of back injuries. A season or two ago I would be all over this but now... he is almost done.

[TheSpursFNRule]

I would be willing to give up Bonner, Finley or Ian if anyone else has to go...no thanks.

[Libri]

With his $10 million salary, Spurs would have to give up Mason.

[BlackBellamy]

We need another 3? We gonna put Prince on the bench then? I dunno, his contracts at 11mil. What are we trading to get him? I'm not a Prince hater, but I doubt he comes to the Spurs.

[bus driver]

the spurs all ready have their problems we dont need more.....

[mazerrackham]

I haven't watched him in a long time, but I used to like his game, so dunno how I'd feel. His contract's too hefty though...

[baseline bum]

Prince could be the new Finley.

[yavozerb]

The guy is still owed 21 million..No way, pass

[Muser]

Although if there was a way to get him and trade finley away then i'd take him.

[baseline bum]

Ouch. And he's due $10M this season and $11M next. I'm going to have to pass.

[antgomez2009]

Prince sucks these days. He looks broken.


I think he is just discouraged, with the break up of the Pistons Squad and the team they have now.

I think a trade to a contending or at least, a playoff bound team will revitalize his game a bit! :greedy

[ChumpDumper]

No.

[galvatron3000]

Would Pop play him if he was not in decline, probably not...too young. We only play older guys now a la Larry Brown. If Prince is not in decline he would fit perfect, doesn't need the ball to be successful. We don't have room for him because we don't like size either. We micro ball these days.

[slick'81]

3-4 years ago yes not now

[Muser]

We have a board that is 3/4 Pistons fans. Why don't we ask them their opinions on him?

From what i've seen they all think he's a giant pussy..:lol

[Libri]

Or McDyess...

Buyout?

McDyess is a keeper unless it's for another big.

[Spursmania]

3-4 years ago yes not now


We always get them when they are old and broken apparently.

[galvatron3000]

He should atelast be better than Haislip who never plays plus he's 6'9. If they can work it out I'd pull the trigger, we have too many wings anyway. Ian is not playing so if it can be done, include Bonner, make it happen. If it doesn't workout what does it matter we don't play our guys anyway but if it does, we just broke the bank with a lineup of

Duncan
Blair
Prince
Jefferson
Parker

Ginobili
Hill
McDyess
Ratliff
Bogans
Finley

[Bukefal]

No thanks, I dont want him. He is shitty recently and too much injury risks.

[I Heart Ginobili]

John Hollinger
Prince comes with risk
"I don't think Keith Bogans is a solution as a starter and I think a healthy Prince would be a great fit in San Antonio. But they have to be careful -- like I said above, Tay's looked terrible this year and back issues are nothing to sneeze at, and adding an $11 million player for next year would almost certainly put Spurs into tax. At the very least I'd want to see how he looks over this next month, and even if he looked good I'd still be on the fence."

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

hes almost done...please no

[galvatron3000]

John Hollinger
Prince comes with risk
"I don't think Keith Bogans is a solution as a starter and I think a healthy Prince would be a great fit in San Antonio. But they have to be careful -- like I said above, Tay's looked terrible this year and back issues are nothing to sneeze at, and adding an $11 million player for next year would almost certainly put Spurs into tax. At the very least I'd want to see how he looks over this next month, and even if he looked good I'd still be on the fence."

Forget what I said I thought his contract was up this season:wow

[BacktoBasics]

The shittier a your team is the worse the back issues seem to be.

[bigdog]

Hell no. He sucks now.

[MRduncan2010]

Pull the damn trigger on this deal another person to throw at odom ,Dirk ,and kobe:ihit

[lurker23]

I really can't see this happening. Trading expiring contracts for another $11 million next year (particularly a swingman) would all-but guarantee that Manu signs somewhere else next season.

[peter_slb]

if we could get him for "nothing" and be sure he is healthy, it would improve our team. Kobe scored a lot and at a high percentage in the first half of Tuesday's game and he wasn't even at 100%.

[ffadicted]

No
no no no no no no no no no

We could do better with a trade, and his contract is hefty

[wildbill2u]

But...but... Jefferson was the answer at the 3. Why do we need another 3?

[murpjf88]

Thanks, but no thanks.

[edgar]

Someone please close this crappy thread.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Come on take him. We are not going any where fast Prince is dogging it because of this too.

[TJastal]

If the spurs could get him and he's relatively healthy I wouldn't be against it at all, in fact I think he'd be a great fit actually and make the spurs a more versatile team that can match up with anyone.

I'd plug him in the starting lineup immediately for Bogans because he's a much more versatile defender against lengthy wings. Bogans would come off the bench as a situational defender (for the smaller quicker guards).

I don't know how the spurs would get him but if they did and he's healthy and rejuvenated this would help the spurs tremendously.

[Fdawg07]

Would Prince fit with Spurs?

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Tayshaun Prince | Pistons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=det)

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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/1724.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1724)With two young small forwards waiting in the wings -- Jonas Jerebko (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3998), Austin Daye (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3976) -- it's rumored that the Pistons are actively shopping Tayshaun Prince (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1724).
They'd also perhaps like to deal Richard Hamilton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=294), but his contract is probably too big for anyone to want to take on.
So where might Prince land? It's not quite ideal, but ESPN's John Hollinger fielded a question today in his chat about the possibility of him being traded to the Spurs.
Take it away, Mr. Hollinger.

[Thompson]

Come on take him. We are not going any where fast Prince is dogging it because of this too.

If you really want him gone see if he wants to win badly enough that he's ready to accept a buyout; then we'll take him at the vet minimum after we make another two-for-one trade somewhere else.

Otherwise, no.

[murpjf88]

Would Prince fit with Spurs?

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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/1724.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1724)With two young small forwards waiting in the wings -- Jonas Jerebko (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3998), Austin Daye (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3976) -- it's rumored that the Pistons are actively shopping Tayshaun Prince (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1724).
They'd also perhaps like to deal Richard Hamilton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=294), but his contract is probably too big for anyone to want to take on.
So where might Prince land? It's not quite ideal, but ESPN's John Hollinger fielded a question today in his chat about the possibility of him being traded to the Spurs.
Take it away, Mr. Hollinger.

Hollinger again, garbage trade proposal.

[Chieflion]

Even if the Spurs add a 3, it should be a tweener for the SF/PF position, to back up RJ, not to have one competing for a starting spot.

[TJastal]

Even if the Spurs add a 3, it should be a tweener for the SF/PF position, to back up RJ, not to have one competing for a starting spot.

That was the whole point Hollinger was making was to get a replacement for Bogans as a starting 2. Prince is versatile enough of a player to play 2/3/4.

[Chieflion]

That was the whole point Hollinger was making was to get a replacement for Bogans as a starting 2. Prince is versatile enough of a player to play 2/3/4.
I wouldn't want to see a brokeback playing for the Spurs. Prince playing the 4 is like me going to the NBA, we would get our bones snapped.

[murpjf88]

That was the whole point Hollinger was making was to get a replacement for Bogans as a starting 2. Prince is versatile enough of a player to play 2/3/4.

At what cost? The last thing the spurs need is another guy who's injury prone. Who would the spurs move to pick him up? Do you think Bogans is the Spurs biggest weakness?

[TJastal]

I wouldn't want to see a brokeback playing for the Spurs. Prince playing the 4 is like me going to the NBA, we would get our bones snapped.

:lol

[5in10]

Back problems should be a red flag for the spurs

[SpurNation]

Regarding making a trade...I would hope they could do better than this. I just can't see how Prince would make that much of a difference towards helping the team win a title.

[objective]

No thanks, this guy's more finished than Jefferson.

[024]

prince is overrated defensively and offensively. spurs can do much better finding a defensive wing.

[TJastal]

At what cost? The last thing the spurs need is another guy who's injury prone. Who would the spurs move to pick him up? Is Bogans the Spurs biggest weakness?

Bonner, Finley, Mason Jr would work. All expiring deals. Much as I hate losing Roger and losing his bench punch, Tayshaun in the starting lineup is a gargantuan improvement over Bogans.

[Supergirl]

Bogans is doing just fine as our starter, Hollinger doesn't watch enough SPurs games.

[TJastal]

Bogans is doing just fine as our starter, Hollinger doesn't watch enough SPurs games.

Except for the fact that the only teams he can shoot against are the ones sporting losing records. Get past that little detail and yah he's doing great.

:lol

[Ocotillo]

Is Hollinger in danger of losing his job at ESPN?

Sounds like he is auditioning for Hoopsworld. :lol

[lurker23]

Bonner, Finley, Mason Jr would work. All expiring deals. Much as I hate losing Roger and losing his bench punch, Tayshaun in the starting lineup is a gargantuan improvement over Bogans.

I implied the financial issues earlier; now I'll state them explicitly. Here's what the Spurs contract situation looks like next year if you get Prince for expirings:

Duncan: $18.8 million
Jefferson: $15.2 million
Parker: $13.7 million
Prince: $11.1 million
McDyess: $4.8 million
Blair: $918,000
Hill: $854,389

That's $65.4 million on 7 guys. The highest the luxury tax threshold is expected to be next season is $65 million. That means unless you sign 5 other players to minimum contracts, you can wave Manu Ginobili goodbye (and even then it might be iffy). Also, hard to imagine being willing to pay even $5 million (much less $7-10 mil) for another wing player when you've got $26+ mil wrapped up in 2 guys.

[baseline bum]

Wait, so the whole rumor is based on someone asking Hollinger in chat whether the Spurs would want him? WTF? :rollin

[jhuan16]

Prince will be a better "PF" in Pop's small ball lineup.

[TJastal]

I implied the financial issues earlier; now I'll state them explicitly. Here's what the Spurs contract situation looks like next year if you get Prince for expirings:

Duncan: $18.8 million
Jefferson: $15.2 million
Parker: $13.7 million
Prince: $11.1 million
McDyess: $4.8 million
Blair: $918,000
Hill: $854,389

That's $65.4 million on 7 guys. The highest the luxury tax threshold is expected to be next season is $65 million. That means unless you sign 5 other players to minimum contracts, you can wave Manu Ginobili goodbye (and even then it might be iffy). Also, hard to imagine being willing to pay even $5 million (much less $7-10 mil) for another wing player when you've got $26+ mil wrapped up in 2 guys.

Give Manu an less than market value offer and explain why. I know it sounds bad but if he wants to retire a spur I would bet he'd take less $$ for the better chance to win another couple titles.

[yavozerb]

Except for the fact that the only teams he can shoot against are the ones sporting losing records. Get past that little detail and yah he's doing great.

:lol

I dont think the spurs got Bogans to be a scorer...The guy only gets a shade over 1mil and is already the best perimeter defensive player on the spurs. I'd say for the $, bogans is a steal..

[TJastal]

I dont think the spurs got Bogans to be a scorer...The guy only gets a shade over 1mil and is already the best perimeter defensive player on the spurs. I'd say for the $, bogans is a steal..

Yah, but that's why Matt Bonner was put on the bench, because he can't play defense to save his life. Bogans is the opposite, the spurs won't go far in the playoffs if he's putting up 1-7 type nights consistently.

[HarlemHeat37]

Bogans isn't the answer as a starter IMO, but Prince isn't a guy I'm interested in..

[phxspurfan]

Wait, so the whole rumor is based on someone asking Hollinger in chat whether the Spurs would want him? WTF? :rollin

I know, right? I feel sorry for those who waste their time and money on ESPN Insider.

[TJastal]

Bogans isn't the answer as a starter IMO, but Prince isn't a guy I'm interested in..

Why not? He's around 29-30 which is perfect age. He has enough experince to quickly step in and help but not too old and brittle yet (like Jefferson).

He's extremely versatile and would enable Pop to run many different lineups. He's an athletic and long defender who can impact a game many ways.

[JustinJDW]

With that contract? I'll pass.

[ChumpDumper]

Why not? He's around 29-30 which is perfect age. He has enough experince to quickly step in and help but not too old and brittle yet (like Jefferson).Might he have just become brittle with this injury?

[lurker23]

Why not? He's around 29-30 which is perfect age. He has enough experince to quickly step in and help but not too old and brittle yet (like Jefferson).

He's extremely versatile and would enable Pop to run many different lineups. He's an athletic and long defender who can impact a game many ways.

?

Tayshaun Prince: Born February 28, 1980
Richard Jefferson: Born June 21, 1980

[yavozerb]

Why not? He's around 29-30 which is perfect age. He has enough experince to quickly step in and help but not too old and brittle yet (like Jefferson).

He's extremely versatile and would enable Pop to run many different lineups. He's an athletic and long defender who can impact a game many ways.

I guess you skipped every other post ahead yours indicating all of the injury problems he has had and the 20+ mil still owed.

[TJastal]

?

Tayshaun Prince: Born February 28, 1980
Richard Jefferson: Born June 21, 1980

That was my point, he's like Jefferson in that regard. A great basketball age where maximum NBA experience meets the start of athletic decline.

[objective]

Could he pass a physical?

[HarlemHeat37]

Obviously I would like Prince if we knew he was healthy..he's long, a great 1 on 1 defender, and he gives Kobe problems, which would obviously benefit us..but just like most others in this thread have said, he's already broken down and it doesn't look good for the rest of his career..

[gift of gab]

gumby is not worth over $10 mil per year. i'll pass

[lurker23]

That was my point, he's like Jefferson in that regard. A great basketball age where maximum NBA experience meets the start of athletic decline.

Sorry, I misread your intent as "he's not old and brittle (like Jefferson is)."

[MaNu4Tres]

Prince is not worth 10-11 million.

I agree with Harlem though, Spurs need to upgrade the 2 spot with a more all around player. Only if we could integrate Bogans and Mason into one player.

[TJastal]

I guess you skipped every other post ahead yours indicating all of the injury problems he has had and the 20+ mil still owed.

I did qualify my opinion by saying IF he can get get healthy and stay healthy for the two years and play at the level that has made him a star he could help out.

I did a little research .. found out he had a ruptured disc in his lower back earlier this year.

[hsxvvd]

I'd take Prince over Jefferson, after what I've seen from Jefferson so far. But if it means not leaving enough $ to resign Manu, then forget it.

I'm a HUGE Prince fan, playing for a contender again, I think you'd find he would step his game back up. I also think that the current Pistons line-up doesn't really compliment his game.

If he takes a buyout and signs, it's a no brainer.

[Andrew Bynum]

Why do the Spurs love going after shitty overpaid SF? 14M for Dick now 10+M for Prince. :lmao What a joke.

[HarlemHeat37]

He can't "step his game up" for a contender if he's having big injury problems..it's physically impossible..

[TheSpursFNRule]

Why do the Spurs love going after shitty overpaid SF? 14M for Dick now 10+M for Prince. :lmao What a joke.

learn to read. they are not going after him read what hollinger wrote....:toast

[Brazil]

Too expensive and too broken but I'm a big fan, he is a very very clever player. I think pop would love to have this kind of player but not this year.

[z0sa]

I don't approve of trading for anything short of a true big (6'10 or above) who can excel on the defensive end. Even then, don't know; depends on who we would give up.

So :td to a Prince acquisition thru trade.

[024]

Prince is not worth 10-11 million.

I agree with Harlem though, Spurs need to upgrade the 2 spot with a more all around player. Only if we could integrate Bogans and Mason into one player.
if the spurs can do that, i rather they put bonner in mahinmi's body. or maybe blair in mahinmi's body... oh oh oh duncan in mahinmi's body :wow

[Josepatches_]

Give Manu an less than market value offer and explain why. I know it sounds bad but if he wants to retire a spur I would bet he'd take less $$ for the better chance to win another couple titles.

:rolleyes:rolleyes

The better chance to win another couple of rings in the next 3 years isn't here.Duncan isn't going to be as great forever.IMo this year is our last chance in more than a couple of years.

We needed the best PF of the history to win the first tittle in 25 years so if we are realistic it's going to be hard to win more tittles.See what happen in Houston after Olajuwon even when they were lucky in the NBA draft.What can I say of Chicago even when they had 2 first pick in the NBA draft (Brand & Rose)

There are not a lot of Duncans.We were lucky to have him here.

[itzsoweezee]

Prince looks washed up this year. And doesn't he have a bad back?

[Thompson]

So no Prince (salary way too high for an injured player, I'd rather have Caron Butler at that price).

No Battier (Rockets won't give him up, though they have a lot of SF's);
who should we (could we) get to replace Bogans as the starter?

All I can think of is Salmons, but I don't know if the Bulls would part with him.

Maybe Hairston will blow up in Austin and they'll give him more play with the Spurs; he already knows the system and would adjust more quickly.

[HarlemHeat37]

Hairston isn't going to get a chance this year..

a deal for Salmons/Thomas would fill in 2 needs..

I'd still rather get a big over anything else though..

[Supergirl]

I dont think the spurs got Bogans to be a scorer...The guy only gets a shade over 1mil and is already the best perimeter defensive player on the spurs. I'd say for the $, bogans is a steal..

precisely. people's complaints about him are the same they had about Bowen. Now that Bowen's gone, people have conveniently forgotten they complained about him, too.

[poop]

:rolleyes:rolleyes

The better chance to win another couple of rings in the next 3 years isn't here.Duncan isn't going to be as great forever.IMo this year is our last chance in more than a couple of years.

We needed the best PF of the history to win the first tittle in 25 years so if we are realistic it's going to be hard to win more tittles.See what happen in Houston after Olajuwon even when they were lucky in the NBA draft.What can I say of Chicago even when they had 2 first pick in the NBA draft (Brand & Rose)

There are not a lot of Duncans.We were lucky to have him here.


epic post.

[NZ Spurs]

Wait, so the whole rumor is based on someone asking Hollinger in chat whether the Spurs would want him? WTF? :rollin

Exactly. ESPN "reports" Prince is being shopped, then slips in the fact that some random fan asked Hollinger (of all people) if he would fit on the Spurs. ESPN has no journalistic integrity at all.

[baseline bum]

Only if we could integrate Bogans and Mason into one player.

A bad defensive player who can't shoot?

Actually, it does kind of sound like Prince.

[phyzik]

ehhh..... hope it doesnt happen, but if it does I'd welcome him. Nothing us fans can do about it except support the team.

If it happens, Ideally keep him on the sidelines until he recovers and hope he steps it up come playoffs.

again, hope it doesnt happen.

[Blackjack]

The type of mileage he's got would make a pornstar blush; Manu's already got that covered..

[Thompson]

Sefolosha looked pretty good as a defender last night, though I doubt the Thunder would part with him (and I know nothing of the rest of his game).

I guess it is true that Bogans is a really good deal, and any offense we get from him is a bonus.

[Danny.Zhu]

No, but thanks.

[Big P]

its not a rumor if the "rumor" was a question from an internet q&a session. Prince aint happening

[Blackjack]

Sefolosha is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and, seemingly at least, a key cog to Presti's program moving forward; he's basically their Bowen. I don't see him going anywhere..

The Thunder actually remind me a bit of the Jordan Bulls in the way they're able to defend and play interchangeable roles on both ends. I just don't see the need for the dominant post-scorer some have mentioned. I'd either hope Krstic could be a Purdue/Wennington/Longley-type or go the Chandler route they almost went before being scared off by the physical; Presti's definitely got something going there..

[Pistons < Spurs]

Tay to the Spurs? I don't see it. Don't see any pieces Joe would want to take in exchange. And doing a quick browse through this thread, it looks like this is just some garbage Hollinger threw against the wall anyway. No substance.

But I do expect Tay to be dealt. Dumars finally came out today and made a few comments that he will look at possible trade options before the deadline.

I'll go ahead and play Hollingers game though. Would he fit on the Spurs? Sure he would. Mostly because of his IQ. He was/is the smartest player the Pistons had during our run. He'd also be a favorite of Pop's because of his versatility. He can play 4 positions. Very good in the point forward role. He'd love him for his small ball lineups. He can hit the open 3 that is a staple of Spurs ball. He can back players down and hit his lefty hook in the middle of the lane. He's a great finisher on the break.

Another key for the Spurs with Tay, is that he is a role player. He'd be a great 3rd or 4th option behind the Spurs key players. The mistake many have made ... myself included ... was having too high expectations. After his 2nd or 3rd year we kept expecting him to develop into something more. But really he sort of plateaued, but stayed very consistent. He is who he is. When we needed him at times in the post season to be more of a first or second option, he struggled. Missed open shot after open shot. Some of that is due to him constantly covering the primary scorer. He expends a ton of energy on the defensive side, and he's not really great at any one thing offensively as it is. Versatile, yes. But no real go to ability that is going to more often than not equate into points.

He got far too much hype for 'the block'. It seems like Doug Collins mentions it in every game he covers. So in some regards he is over-rated. And he may not completely be worth his contract. But I also don't think it's all that unreasonable. He's a good defender overall. Works hard and uses his length and smarts well. But he's not a shut-down type of guy. He was at his best defensively when a dominant Ben Wallace controlled the lane. As long as there was a no fly zone, and players were forced to be more perimeter oriented against us he was able to smother players at times with those go go gadget arms. But once Ben left, the red carpet was put out for players to drive the lane against us. It was easier to go through Prince when there was no one helping out. Not to mention his slim frame giving him difficulties against thicker SF's like Lebron and Pierce who he faced so much ... especially in the playoffs. If the team defense can keep guys out of the paint, Tay is a great man defender. But without that deterrent, he's just slightly above average.

He's got alot of miles on his legs for only being 29. We never had a legitimate backup for him, and coaches loved his IQ and versatility so much that they always wanted him on the floor. It'd be good for anyone that had him to try to limit his minutes to 30 or less. I'm a big Tay fan. But maybe it's time for him to go. He might do well with a change. It may re-invigorate him to go to a new city and accept a new challenge. He brings a lot to a team IMO.

And all this 'Tay is done' and 'broke down' talk is silly. Prior to this years ruptured disk that came out of no where, he held the active record for consecutive games played. 6 straight years of playing 82 games + an ungodly number of playoff games. And I remember them saying, last year or the year before, something about no player has played in more post season games in their first xx-number of years in the L. He's been incredibly healthy and extremely consistent up to this point in his career. You always know what you're going to get from Prince. 14pts 5rbs 3asts 45.00FG% 35.003PTFG% and he'll guard the main scorer of the opposing team.

[TheSpursFNRule]

Tay to the Spurs? I don't see it. Don't see any pieces Joe would want to take in exchange. And doing a quick browse through this thread, it looks like this is just some garbage Hollinger threw against the wall anyway. No substance.

But I do expect Tay to be dealt. Dumars finally came out today and made a few comments that he will look at possible trade options before the deadline.

I'll go ahead and play Hollingers game though. Would he fit on the Spurs? Sure he would. Mostly because of his IQ. He was/is the smartest player the Pistons had during our run. He'd also be a favorite of Pop's because of his versatility. He can play 4 positions. Very good in the point forward role. He'd love him for his small ball lineups. He can hit the open 3 that is a staple of Spurs ball. He can back players down and hit his lefty hook in the middle of the lane. He's a great finisher on the break.

Another key for the Spurs with Tay, is that he is a role player. He'd be a great 3rd or 4th option behind the Spurs key players. The mistake many have made ... myself included ... was having too high expectations. After his 2nd or 3rd year we kept expecting him to develop into something more. But really he sort of plateaued, but stayed very consistent. He is who he is. When we needed him at times in the post season to be more of a first or second option, he struggled. Missed open shot after open shot. Some of that is due to him constantly covering the primary scorer. He expends a ton of energy on the defensive side, and he's not really great at any one thing offensively as it is. Versatile, yes. But no real go to ability that is going to more often than not equate into points.

He got far too much hype for 'the block'. It seems like Doug Collins mentions it in every game he covers. So in some regards he is over-rated. And he may not completely be worth his contract. But I also don't think it's all that unreasonable. He's a good defender overall. Works hard and uses his length and smarts well. But he's not a shut-down type of guy. He was at his best defensively when a dominant Ben Wallace controlled the lane. As long as there was a no fly zone, and players were forced to be more perimeter oriented against us he was able to smother players at times with those go go gadget arms. But once Ben left, the red carpet was put out for players to drive the lane against us. It was easier to go through Prince when there was no one helping out. Not to mention his slim frame giving him difficulties against thicker SF's like Lebron and Pierce who he faced so much ... especially in the playoffs. If the team defense can keep guys out of the paint, Tay is a great man defender. But without that deterrent, he's just slightly above average.

He's got alot of miles on his legs for only being 29. We never had a legitimate backup for him, and coaches loved his IQ and versatility so much that they always wanted him on the floor. It'd be good for anyone that had him to try to limit his minutes to 30 or less. I'm a big Tay fan. But maybe it's time for him to go. He might do well with a change. It may re-invigorate him to go to a new city and accept a new challenge. He brings a lot to a team IMO.

And all this 'Tay is done' and 'broke down' talk is silly. Prior to this years ruptured disk that came out of no where, he held the active record for consecutive games played. 6 straight years of playing 82 games + an ungodly number of playoff games. And I remember them saying, last year or the year before, something about no player has played in more post season games in their first xx-number of years in the L. He's been incredibly healthy and extremely consistent up to this point in his career. You always know what you're going to get from Prince. 14pts 5rbs 3asts 45.00FG% 35.003PTFG% and he'll guard the main scorer of the opposing team.

Damn.

[Blackjack]

I agree with just about everything you posted. My concern is the mileage he's had, which you rightly noted, and that this ruptured disc is only a sign of things to come; he's looked worn down the last two years come the playoffs.

I obviously don't get to see him on a consistent basis and am forced to make a judgment from what I've seen and the current state he's in; there's no doubt he'd be a great fit if the Spurs were getting a 'whole' player. If a change of scenery is all he would need to be reinvigorated and get back to the player he was, I'd seriously entertain taking on the salary; after I'd exhausted opportunities to address more glaring needs, that is..

[SenorSpur]

We always get them when they are old and broken apparently.

Once again, a move that's a couple of years too late.

What's next? Lindsay Hunter and Jerry Stackhouse?

[himat]

Can't add much more to what P<S said, he basically summed it all up. Now for all the Spurs fans who are saying we want something better well most teams won't give up their good players just for the hell of it.

If I were the Spurs I might take the risk because the team might be able to have a serious chance to beat L.A. with Tayshaun. I don't know why the Pistons would do this trade though.

Draft picks-Spurs always have a good record

Dejuan Blair-first of all Spurs wouldn't do this but the Pistons already have a bunch of tough,undersized big men.

Like most of you have said though...this is Hollinger speaking.

[SenorSpur]

The thing is that ever since David Robinson the Spurs are always careful or try to avoid players with back issues.

The FO would be better off avoiding players with injury and age issues.

[GSH]

The salary issues alone make it look out of the question. But suppose we did find a way to bring him here. Next year we would be looking for some way to get out from under his $11M contract. Maybe we could send him to Houston along with the rights to Tiago Splitter in exchange for Yao Ming who will be moving back to China?

Nahhh... nothing like that could ever happen.

[draft87]

According to ESPN.com, Detriots Pistons starting small forward is on the move.





HEY HEY! (there's way too many pages but good guess tells me what I'm gonna write hasn't been discussed)

If we're quoting ESPN.com we have to do a better job than copying a title from the Rumor page. The rumor page sometimes has real news items in their infancy but sometimes it's pure bullshit.

This little rumor was taken from a fan mail sent to John Hollinger. A fan in Houston, Texas asked John Hollinger if Prince could get to the Spurs because he was tired of Pop acting like Keith Bogans is the second coming of Bruce Bowen.

John Hollinger wrote that he didn't think Bogans works as a starter, Prince's salary won't work, and his injuries are red flags.

This in no way means there is talk of trading for Tayshaun Prince. John Hollinger is an analyst. A Random fan in Houston is simply a fan sending a fan mail. There is no report of anyone from Detroit or San Antonio's organizations considering any transactions involving Prince, Bogans, or anyone.

Do yourself a favor and drop this nonsense. It's not worth your time.

[I_Speak_4_Dallas_Fan]

I hope you bums get him. Another guy past his prime Pop's going to fall in love with.

[spurs_philippines]

go for Rip hamilton instead of tayshaun

[Muser]

go for Rip hamilton instead of tayshaun

Have you seen his contract? Fuck no.

[Agloco]

Prince sucks these days. He looks broken.

Perhaps moving to a contender is exactly what the doctor ordered?

[Agloco]

if the spurs can do that, i rather they put bonner in mahinmi's body. or maybe blair in mahinmi's body... oh oh oh duncan in mahinmi's body :wow

Duncan's brain in Mahinmi's body? Yeah, thats full of win. :tu

[phxspurfan]

Tay to the Spurs? I don't see it. Don't see any pieces Joe would want to take in exchange. And doing a quick browse through this thread, it looks like this is just some garbage Hollinger threw against the wall anyway. No substance.

But I do expect Tay to be dealt. Dumars finally came out today and made a few comments that he will look at possible trade options before the deadline.

I'll go ahead and play Hollingers game though. Would he fit on the Spurs? Sure he would. Mostly because of his IQ. He was/is the smartest player the Pistons had during our run. He'd also be a favorite of Pop's because of his versatility. He can play 4 positions. Very good in the point forward role. He'd love him for his small ball lineups. He can hit the open 3 that is a staple of Spurs ball. He can back players down and hit his lefty hook in the middle of the lane. He's a great finisher on the break.

Another key for the Spurs with Tay, is that he is a role player. He'd be a great 3rd or 4th option behind the Spurs key players. The mistake many have made ... myself included ... was having too high expectations. After his 2nd or 3rd year we kept expecting him to develop into something more. But really he sort of plateaued, but stayed very consistent. He is who he is. When we needed him at times in the post season to be more of a first or second option, he struggled. Missed open shot after open shot. Some of that is due to him constantly covering the primary scorer. He expends a ton of energy on the defensive side, and he's not really great at any one thing offensively as it is. Versatile, yes. But no real go to ability that is going to more often than not equate into points.

He got far too much hype for 'the block'. It seems like Doug Collins mentions it in every game he covers. So in some regards he is over-rated. And he may not completely be worth his contract. But I also don't think it's all that unreasonable. He's a good defender overall. Works hard and uses his length and smarts well. But he's not a shut-down type of guy. He was at his best defensively when a dominant Ben Wallace controlled the lane. As long as there was a no fly zone, and players were forced to be more perimeter oriented against us he was able to smother players at times with those go go gadget arms. But once Ben left, the red carpet was put out for players to drive the lane against us. It was easier to go through Prince when there was no one helping out. Not to mention his slim frame giving him difficulties against thicker SF's like Lebron and Pierce who he faced so much ... especially in the playoffs. If the team defense can keep guys out of the paint, Tay is a great man defender. But without that deterrent, he's just slightly above average.

He's got alot of miles on his legs for only being 29. We never had a legitimate backup for him, and coaches loved his IQ and versatility so much that they always wanted him on the floor. It'd be good for anyone that had him to try to limit his minutes to 30 or less. I'm a big Tay fan. But maybe it's time for him to go. He might do well with a change. It may re-invigorate him to go to a new city and accept a new challenge. He brings a lot to a team IMO.

And all this 'Tay is done' and 'broke down' talk is silly. Prior to this years ruptured disk that came out of no where, he held the active record for consecutive games played. 6 straight years of playing 82 games + an ungodly number of playoff games. And I remember them saying, last year or the year before, something about no player has played in more post season games in their first xx-number of years in the L. He's been incredibly healthy and extremely consistent up to this point in his career. You always know what you're going to get from Prince. 14pts 5rbs 3asts 45.00FG% 35.003PTFG% and he'll guard the main scorer of the opposing team.

Didn't LeBron walk all over Tayshaun in recent matchups? If someone is going to guard the best player on the other team I'd rather them be competent.

[Baseline]

This isn't even a rumor. It was merely a fan's question.

I could ask Hollinger if the Spurs are trading Matt Bonner for Karl Malone. Would that make it a rumor?

[AussieFanKurt]

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