Weekly Pit Bull Mauling…

[Sportcamper]

Pit bulls: kind, loving dogs; until they are not...

Police are investigating the death of a 56-year-old Far South Side man whose daughter came home Sunday night to find him covered in blood and apparently killed by the pit bulls she was raising...

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/01/man-found-dead-after-apparently-being-attacked-by-dogs.html

[JMarkJohns]

I've known three Pit Bulls in my life. I spent years of my life with them. I've been bitten three times, by a Chow, a Collie and a Shepherd.

Investigate the people raising the dogs wrong, or place some responsibility on people buying dogs bred from wrongly raised parent breeds. It's nurture, not nature.

Now, I'm not saying that aspects of their nature doesn't make them more dangerous than other breeds when the nurture makes them monsters. Such is the case, but I've seen some of the most vicious and snarling dogs be breeds most consider "family" and "friendly" breeds.

I recall that Pit Bulls were once used as rescue dogs.

[Sportcamper]

I have never seen a story about a Fluffy Golden Retriever mauling children & elderly to death…

[koriwhat]

dude probably beat them or some shit. i have a pit at work that is nothing but love. i could care less for these stories cause there's no background on what has happened to these dogs or who is caring for these dogs.

[iggypop123]

just force them to have mouth guards in public and everyone is happy

[Bigzax]

as long as the maulings occur within the owners home or backyard, it's their problem. i'm sorry for the family though...tough lesson to learn.

yes, it's how they are raised and yes, it's the fact that they are beasts with beastly mauling ability.

i can raise a lion to be a kittycat, but if a kittycat has a bad day and gets pissed off, it's not likely to rip my head off and eat me.

[benefactor]

I have never seen a story about a Fluffy Golden Retriever mauling children & elderly to death…
Perhaps you haven't...but that doesn't change the fact that Golden Retrievers and Pit Bulls scored almost exactly the same in temperment tests(The Pit Bulls actually scored slightly better).

American Pit Bull Terrier - 85.3% pass rate (http://www.atts.org/stats1.html)

Golden Retriever - 84.6% pass rate (http://www.atts.org/stats4.html)

There are also plenty of examples (http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/OtherBreedBites/AllDogsBite.htm)
of other dogs that bite. Pits are just singled out.


Oh..and here's a few people you might know (http://www.understand-a-bull.com/PitbullInformation/FamousOwners.htm) that own Pit Bulls. I wonder why they haven't eaten them yet?

[tlongII]

Perhaps you haven't...but that doesn't change the fact that Golden Retrievers and Pit Bulls scored almost exactly the same in temperment tests(The Pit Bulls actually scored slightly better).

American Pit Bull Terrier - 85.3% pass rate (http://www.atts.org/stats1.html)

Golden Retriever - 84.6% pass rate (http://www.atts.org/stats4.html)

There are also plenty of examples of other dogs that bite. Pits are just singled out.

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/OtherBreedBites/AllDogsBite.htm

The problem is the pit bull's capacity for doing damage.

[Heath Ledger]

I've been around dozens of pitbulls in my lifetime. I have also been bitten by more chihuahua's than pitts by a score of 3-0.

[benefactor]

The problem is the pit bull's capacity for doing damage.
Meh...that's a cop out. Any large dog that attacks a human is just as capable of mortally wounding them...and as you can see by that list of articles, all dogs are capable of biting if they are not raised properly.

[benefactor]

So when is Racheal Ray's pit going to eat her? What's the over/under on our timeline here?

[lil_penny]

only dog i was bit by was a pitbull.. ive been around alot of them and never had a issue and until me the dog hadn't bit a person before in its life.. that was until it heard its owner screaming and moaning, ran into her room and bit me in the leg:lmao

[JMarkJohns]

I have never seen a story about a Fluffy Golden Retriever mauling children & elderly to death…

Was not Lassie a Collie? I have three scars around my left eye from the time lil' miss Lassie attacked me when I was four. Had the dog not been a family friend's, and had the father not been right there, I may have been mauled to death by a dog historically viewed to be a family friendly dog.

Maybe not a retriever, but still...

[CubanSucks]

The problem is the pit bull's capacity for doing damage.

Exactly. Which is why you want to raise them right. Exercise, loving attention, food, water, and perhaps NOT having them chained up in the backyard 24/7. I doubt it's a coincidence this story took place on the south side of Chicago considering like 99.9% of these pitbull stories are either in a trailer park or a rough urban setting.

[pawe]

But how come the reports I see is all about pit bull maulings? And why do they have to ban pit bulls in cities like Denver?

I wont let my boy be alone with a neighbor's pitbull. It was bred for biting down without letting the prey go. It's only friendly and lovable and sweet until someone gets hurt.

[CubanSucks]

But how come the reports I see is all about pit bull maulings? And why do they have to ban pit bulls in cities like Denver?

I wont let my boy be alone with a neighbor's pitbull. It was bred for biting down without letting the prey go. It's only friendly and lovable and sweet until someone gets hurt.

Because of people like you who don't really understand. It's ignorant public pressure. A whole lot of pitbull owners are either stupid redneck trailer trash or inner city thugs who get it only for street cred. Those kind of people are gonna cause trouble either way. But for people like my sister and her husband with 2 of them, who feed them, let them indoors, take them for walks, and treat them civilly, they WILL be the most loyal and submissive of dogs.


BTW, if I saw a big dog that I have no idea about, I really wouldn't mind its breed only where the fuck can I run to if it chases me

[lil'mo]

This is why Pit Bulls are a superior breed.

[pawe]

It's not being ignorant when you dont want to risk your child being mauled by pitbulls. I know other dogs can hurt you too but pits are more aggressive.

If a nationwide law will be made banning this breed, I will vote for it and encourage others to do so.
There are other breeds of dogs, why get a pitbull? When they attack, they will not stop and let go. Plus, it already has a reputation that tempts those rednecks/thugs to parade them and train them for attacking just to earn streetcred.

[CubanSucks]

It's not being ignorant when you dont want to risk your child being mauled by pitbulls. I know other dogs can hurt you too but pits are more aggressive.

If a nationwide law will be made banning this breed, I will vote for it and encourage others to do so.
There are other breeds of dogs, why get a pitbull? When they attack, they will not stop and let go. Plus, it already has a reputation that tempts those rednecks/thugs to parade them and train them for attacking just to earn streetcred.

There is no such thing as a "universally aggressive breed". If there were, Cesar Millan would be out of business. The breed is never going to go away no matter any laws. The dogfighters will continue to breed them and the plain ol animal abusers will only go on to the next "badass" breed (setting that one up for a mauling). So by doing so you are only potentially taking a loving member of a family away from those who are competent enough to raise them. I wouldn't mind however, a law banning the breeding of them considering there are too many of every breed. I'm not sure if you meant that or banning them as in Jews in the holocaust style

[pawe]

Holocaust style man. Like shipping them bastards into one island and nuke it to smithereens.

[RedsLakers24]

Right now i have a 12 week old doberman, i feel for him, he just had his ears crop today

[benefactor]

But how come the reports I see is all about pit bull maulings?
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/OtherBreedBites/AllDogsBite.htm

I know other dogs can hurt you too but pits are more aggressive.


Perhaps you haven't...but that doesn't change the fact that Golden Retrievers and Pit Bulls scored almost exactly the same in temperment tests(The Pit Bulls actually scored slightly better).

American Pit Bull Terrier - 85.3% pass rate (http://www.atts.org/stats1.html)

Golden Retriever - 84.6% pass rate (http://www.atts.org/stats4.html)

They are not more aggressive. It's a myth created by the media. Any dog that is not raised properly(training, dog/people socialization) can become aggressive.

[benefactor]

Here's a couple of pics of my boy Memphis and my cat Duncan. His aggressive nature is on full display.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/gospelrapper/memphisduncan.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/gospelrapper/memphisduncan1.jpg

[lebomb]

Here's a couple of pics of my boy Memphis and my cat Duncan. His aggressive nature is on full display.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/gospelrapper/memphisduncan.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/gospelrapper/memphisduncan1.jpg


Nice, but if he ever snaps.......he will rip that cat to shreds and then its your turn!!! :depressed

[koriwhat]

Nice, but if he ever snaps.......he will rip that cat to shreds and then its your turn!!! :depressed

stop being dumb.

[romad_20]

Four pit bulls and two puppies in the home were turned over by police to Chicago Animal Care and Control.

A source said the daughter was breeding the dogs, but there was no signs of dogfighting in the house. She told investigators that the dogs were afraid of her father because his voice was loud.

Sounds like a wonderful home. Breeding pitbulls, check. Run down neighborhood, check. Father with a "loud voice" aka yelling and abusive, check. Yes this was definitely the breed's fault.

Give me a fucking break, any dog with a powerful bite can be dangerous. Just like a gun, its the person behind the dog that is responsible for the damage.

[CavsSuperFan]

Rottweiler, Pit Bull, Doberman, Chow, or German Shepard are not covered if they bite someone in your own yard by many homeowner insurance carriers…Sorry but Golden Retrievers, Pointers & Labradors are not on the banned list…:lol

http://www.247quoteus.com/home/home-owners/homeowners-insurance-premiums-dogs

[romad_20]

Rottweiler, Pit Bull, Doberman, Chow, or German Shepard are not covered if they bite someone in your own yard by many homeowner insurance carriers…Sorry but Golden Retrievers, Pointers & Labradors are not on the banned list…:lol

http://www.247quoteus.com/home/home-owners/homeowners-insurance-premiums-dogs

What does this have to do with anything? They aren't covered because they of their bite power. Goldens, pointers, labs all have a "soft mouth" where they don't crush fowl when they retrieve them. That's not to say they can't bite the hell out of you, though. Rotts, Pits, Dobermans, chow and the rest are guard dogs by nature (man-made nature, anyway) so their bite is powerful. This is not that hard to understand.

I've seen dogs of every type be aggressive and 99.9% of the time its not their fault, its the owner who doesn't know how to socialize and care for them. A very small percentage of dogs are neurotic, just like people and there isn't any help, but it doesn't limit itself to one breed.

[CavsSuperFan]

Pit Bull Owner Logic-Pit Bulls dont kill children...The Child must have done something terribel to the Pit-Bull...

[romad_20]

Pit Bull Owner Logic-Pit Bulls dont kill children...The Child must have done something terribel to the Pit-Bull...

:lol Right. I'm not even a pit bull owner. I'm just someone who volunteers at the humane society, owns 4 animals, Mom is a vet and was raised around everything from a kangaroo to a llama. Never been bit by a pit, but sure have by tons of small dogs and a horse. I've never even seen a pit get aggressive in real life, just on TV.

Do you have any idea how many pits are brought into shelters because people want them as a status symbol and don't realize that its a full time job to own, train and care for a dog? They have to be exercised, daily. They have to be trained and socialized. This goes with every dog.

This thread reeks of ignorance towards dogs. People like the girl in the story are the problem. Is there any reason for her to be breeding a dog that requires so much exercise in the inner city? Is there any reason for anyone to be breeding pitbulls or any non-working dog, period? These are the issues people should take issue with, not a breed of dog.

[benefactor]

stop being dumb.
That's like me telling you to stop breathing.

[koriwhat]

That's like me telling you to stop breathing.

no what you just said is more along the lines of... if you keep breathing who knows, you might end up mauling someone.

[lebomb]

This is how I personally feel about Pit bulls...........having know someone that has raised one from a puppy. All dogs can bite and maul someone. Pit bulls just dont stop mauling till you are dead. They never, ever stop their attack at some point like many other breeds will.

[CubanSucks]

Nice, but if he ever snaps.......he will rip that cat to shreds and then its your turn!!! :depressed

Ya and IF I decide to drive to taco bell at 2 in the morning there's a good chance I'll get in a car wreck. And IF I go surfing I could get attacked by a shark. And IF I decide to walk out in the rain I could get struck by lightning. ANYTHING'S freaking possible. But you need to get it through your thick ignorant skull that an attack by a pitbull that has been raised up right is just as likely as these other 3 things.

[JMarkJohns]

Pit Bulls were bred to mirror the traits of their handler. Hence, it is entirely the fault of nurture when something goes wrong. It isn't to say they can't be dangerous. They can be. But such is way overblown...

Scholarly Publication on media coverage and Pit Bull bias: http://www.forpitssake.org/MediaPitbull.html

[I. Hustle]

Either way I would still never get one. Maybe that's all the news reports but it was enough to sway my decision to never allow one in my house.

[sabar]

Weekly media frenzy.


It's not being ignorant when you dont want to risk your child being mauled by pitbulls. I know other dogs can hurt you too but pits are more aggressive.

If a nationwide law will be made banning this breed, I will vote for it and encourage others to do so.
There are other breeds of dogs, why get a pitbull? When they attack, they will not stop and let go. Plus, it already has a reputation that tempts those rednecks/thugs to parade them and train them for attacking just to earn streetcred.

How ignorant. Why would anyone give the government the power to dictate their personal lives? Perhaps we also need a law so you can't walk outside if there is a thunderstorm. Why even think when a bunch of suits 1400 miles away can decide what is best for me?

This is 100% media hype. No one covers all the deaths from dobermans and other breeds (pitbulls make up less than half of all dog assault deaths, media ignores all other killings).

Arguing that they are bred to kill is a pretty bad argument too. People keep pure and hybrid wolves/wolfdogs and they don't go on killing sprees. Predictably, there is no media coverage about those exotic pets.

This thread should be in the political forum as an example of the gullibility of the average person, the uselessness of a collective mind, and an example of how politicians somehow wield so much power.

[EmptyMan]

Pitbulls are little league son.

http://www.presa-ironbull.com/imagenes_bull/presa_quien.jpg
http://www.breederretriever.com/photopost/data/500/presa_canario_in_the_canary_islands.jpg

[2Blonde]

I thought pit bull mauling season didn't start until around April when the dumbass parents let their 2 year olds go play in the sunny backyard to be babysat by "Precious", the family pit bull, while mom watches her novelas.

[2Blonde]

:rolleyes
Okay, i fixed it. Is this better??? I grew up in Okla. & my first husband was a bubba, so these are my people.

I thought pit bull mauling season didn't start until around April when the dumbass parents let their 2 year olds go play in the sunny backyard to be babysat by "Precious", the family pit bull, while Bubba and the missus watch NASCAR.

[Blue Jew]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/pit.jpg

[romad_20]

This is how I personally feel about Pit bulls...........having know someone that has raised one from a puppy. All dogs can bite and maul someone. Pit bulls just dont stop mauling till you are dead. They never, ever stop their attack at some point like many other breeds will.


You know one person that's raised one dog? That's what you're basing it on?

I would like to ask you another question, how many dog fights have you seen in person? Have you witness two dogs fighting and then stop because one says uncle? Dogs won't stop attacking if they fight, regardless of breed. If a dog gets to the point where they are literally fighting, not nipping, not growling, they will not stop until the other doesn't have the ability to get up or is dead, its a survival instinct.

I have broken up fights between mix breed (non pits) and guess what, you can hit, kick, yell and they don't stop, in fact it just makes them more pissed off. There is one way to break them up and that's grab their back legs and take them off the ground. That's the only way.

I'm not coming after you in this post, but this type of misinformation that people spread that just isn't true.



The sad part is the dogs are caught up in the middle of this stupid shit that is all to blame on people. You believe pits are made for killing, who did that? One half hates the breed and wants it banned, the other half wants dogs for fighting or status. Its f-ing sucks seeing so many put in shelters and killed b/c of stupid ass people.

If you think pits are horrible, you should really watch Dogtown with the Vick dogs.

[pawe]

As I've said before, they already have the reputation of being the meanest dogs and a symbol of toughness thus creating a temptation for idiots to own one and not training them properly.
The only way you can discourage irresponsible ownership is to ban this breed so people cant get them. (yes, there is still the underground dog fighting ring but that's a different story)

I just hate seeing another family suffer because their only child was killed by a pitbull who got out of house. Why risk these kind of stuff?

[lebomb]

You know one person that's raised one dog? That's what you're basing it on?

I would like to ask you another question, how many dog fights have you seen in person? Have you witness two dogs fighting and then stop because one says uncle? Dogs won't stop attacking if they fight, regardless of breed. If a dog gets to the point where they are literally fighting, not nipping, not growling, they will not stop until the other doesn't have the ability to get up or is dead, its a survival instinct.

I have broken up fights between mix breed (non pits) and guess what, you can hit, kick, yell and they don't stop, in fact it just makes them more pissed off. There is one way to break them up and that's grab their back legs and take them off the ground. That's the only way.

I'm not coming after you in this post, but this type of misinformation that people spread that just isn't true.



The sad part is the dogs are caught up in the middle of this stupid shit that is all to blame on people. You believe pits are made for killing, who did that? One half hates the breed and wants it banned, the other half wants dogs for fighting or status. Its f-ing sucks seeing so many put in shelters and killed b/c of stupid ass people.

If you think pits are horrible, you should really watch Dogtown with the Vick dogs.



Dude that was just an example..............this person actually has TWO pitbulls, raised them both from puppies. One is pretty sweet, the other is just friggen psycho. He said he was getting rid of that one because it is very, very aggressive and is getting worse. Both dogs were raised by him and his family............never abused or pushed to fight or be aggressive. But one of them is.

Whatever...........Pit bull owners vs those who dont care for them is like debating religion or politics. :rolleyes

[romad_20]

Whatever...........Pit bull owners vs those who dont care for them is like debating religion or politics. :rolleyes


I agree with this, and this debate contains as much misinformation as both of those as well.

[koriwhat]

the dogs at my work are a great example of how misinformed you all are...

1 is a red healer and the other a blue nose pit. guess who's aggressive and who's docile. guess?! i'll give you a hint, it's not the pit at all.

the healer is going to get us in trouble cause he has now attacked 2 mail men and got mased, attacked a lady client of ours and just recently got out and bit a kid but didn't draw any blood. he ain't my dog and i love him to death but sooner or later his owner, my boss, is going to have to put him down or give him away.

the pit on the other hand is a stout baby. he is such a lovable dog you'd be hard pressed to find any fault with him.

[benefactor]

On second thought, my dog probably is dangerous. There is a good chance he might drown you with a tongue bath.

[760Spursfan]

On second thought, my dog probably is dangerous. There is a good chance he might drown you with a tongue bath.


This is exactly how my dog is. I have had him since he was 4 weeks and now he is 10 yrs old. He will likely lick you to death then bite or tear you to shreds. He will chase and probably kill cats/rabbits but as far as being aggressive toward people it just hasn't happened. I didn't raise him to be that "type" of pit. I agree though that I personally don't feel comfortable with leaving him alone with a child because he weighs 85lbs and is very playful. He just doesn't know his own strength and kids tend to freak out scream and cry and that could just freak him out as well. So its better to be safe then sorry. At the end of the day all of these dogs that are mentioned are still animals with unpredictable behavior IMHO.

[I. Hustle]

This is exactly how my dog is. I have had him since he was 4 weeks and now he is 10 yrs old. He will likely lick you to death then bite or tear you to shreds. He will chase and probably kill cats/rabbits but as far as being aggressive toward people it just hasn't happened. I didn't raise him to be that "type" of pit. I agree though that I personally don't feel comfortable with leaving him alone with a child because he weighs 85lbs and is very playful. He just doesn't know his own strength and kids tend to freak out scream and cry and that could just freak him out as well. So its better to be safe then sorry. At the end of the day all of these dogs that are mentioned are still animals with unpredictable behavior IMHO.

This is the most sense I have heard from a pro pit person.

[lebomb]

the dogs at my work are a great example of how misinformed you all are...

1 is a red healer and the other a blue nose pit. guess who's aggressive and who's docile. guess?! i'll give you a hint, it's not the pit at all.

the healer is going to get us in trouble cause he has now attacked 2 mail men and got mased, attacked a lady client of ours and just recently got out and bit a kid but didn't draw any blood. he ain't my dog and i love him to death but sooner or later his owner, my boss, is going to have to put him down or give him away.

the pit on the other hand is a stout baby. he is such a lovable dog you'd be hard pressed to find any fault with him.

Point taken bro....... I just have a 3yr old and would not have him wondering around any large dog, especially a Pit. Hope you understand........ a little maybe? :toast

[CubanSucks]

As I've said before, they already have the reputation of being the meanest dogs and a symbol of toughness thus creating a temptation for idiots to own one and not training them properly.
The only way you can discourage irresponsible ownership is to ban this breed so people cant get them. (yes, there is still the underground dog fighting ring but that's a different story)

I just hate seeing another family suffer because their only child was killed by a pitbull who got out of house. Why risk these kind of stuff?

The problem is that those people will only move onto another large breed. I seriously doubt that these irresponsible idiots will stop creating ticking time bombs (a mistreated large dog) just because the gov took away ONE type of breed.

[benefactor]

This is exactly how my dog is. I have had him since he was 4 weeks and now he is 10 yrs old. He will likely lick you to death then bite or tear you to shreds. He will chase and probably kill cats/rabbits but as far as being aggressive toward people it just hasn't happened. I didn't raise him to be that "type" of pit. I agree though that I personally don't feel comfortable with leaving him alone with a child because he weighs 85lbs and is very playful. He just doesn't know his own strength and kids tend to freak out scream and cry and that could just freak him out as well. So its better to be safe then sorry. At the end of the day all of these dogs that are mentioned are still animals with unpredictable behavior IMHO.
Mine is very playful too...and he is around 70lbs. He is actually an oversize lap dog. He thinks he is the same size as the cat. :)

But as others have stated, no one with any sort of common sense would leave a young child alone with a dog, especially a large dog that could knock them over. People who leave kids under the age of 8 or so unattended with large dogs need to have their animals taken from them.

[benefactor]

The problem is that those people will only move onto another large breed. I seriously doubt that these irresponsible idiots will stop creating ticking time bombs (a mistreated large dog) just because the gov took away ONE type of breed.
Indeed. If we follow that type of logic we me might as well go ahead and ban all large dogs.

[JMarkJohns]

Dude that was just an example..............this person actually has TWO pitbulls, raised them both from puppies. One is pretty sweet, the other is just friggen psycho. He said he was getting rid of that one because it is very, very aggressive and is getting worse. Both dogs were raised by him and his family............never abused or pushed to fight or be aggressive. But one of them is.

This could be traced back the the aggressive dog's breeding.

It's not natural, but can become inbred nature through breeding of aggressive parents. In a very short period of time, you can have two or three dog generations of very nurtured aggression manifest itself in pups. There as aspects of nature that can be manipulated...

[760Spursfan]

Mine is very playful too...and he is around 70lbs. He is actually an oversize lap dog. He thinks he is the same size as the cat. :)

But as others have stated, no one with any sort of common sense would leave a young child alone with a dog, especially a large dog that could knock them over. People who leave kids under the age of 8 or so unattended with large dogs need to have their animals taken from them.


I know what you mean, my dog tries to climb into bed when I fall alseep thinking I can't feel his heavy ass moving around and hogging the pillow. As soon as he sees me wake up he gets right off.:blah

We had a BBQ at my house a while back and had to tie him up so that he wouldn't get into everyone's biz and my buddy brought his little 6yr old who loves dogs. Well she kept getting closer to him trying to pet him and he was getting excited because he was ready to play. next thing we know she got to close and he knocked her over and stood there licking her face. Obviously, she was freaking out and crying but all he wanted to do was play with her. It was a scary moment for us because it happened so fast and we didn't know what to expect. She was fine just a little scurred but that's why I don't let my 9yr old niece hang out with him by herself.

[RedsLakers24]

my doberman puppy is the best, right now he is hurting cuz he just had his ears crop,

Doberman>>>Pitbulls

[koriwhat]

This could be traced back the the aggressive dog's breeding.

It's not natural, but can become inbred nature through breeding of aggressive parents. In a very short period of time, you can have two or three dog generations of very nurtured aggression manifest itself in pups. There as aspects of nature that can be manipulated...

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

[JMarkJohns]

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Yeah... I don't know anything. My sister's husband only breeds the dog. Much of the information you claim is dumb is verbatim from him.

I'll take his word over yours.

[koriwhat]

Yeah... I don't know anything. My sister's husband only breeds the dog. Much of the information you claim is dumb is verbatim from him.

I'll take his word over yours.

well i have yet to be bitten by any dog other than those dumb fuckin' small chicocksuckers and whatnot.

i love me some pits!

btw, maybe he's the dumb one too but you've gotten be a bit dumb as well to be reciting the dumb.

[I. Hustle]

i love me some pits!



I do too. Let it roast for about 8 hours with a good rub and some lime juice. mmmmmmmmmmm This thread is making me hungry.

[JMarkJohns]

well i have yet to be bitten by any dog other than those dumb fuckin' small chicocksuckers and whatnot.

i love me some pits!

btw, maybe he's the dumb one too but you've gotten be a bit dumb as well to be reciting the dumb.

All he's saying is you have to be careful who the parents of the pup are. If you have nurtured aggressive Pits as parents, that nurture can be bred into the pups.

You are a little too hyped on the topic. You're going only off of personal experience. Well, you may have never been bit by pits (neither have I, despite being around three growing up, and around several for small periods of time via my brother in law's business), to deny that some can develop aggressive characteristics is dumb. Pit Bulls were bred to adapt to their handler. They mirror the traits. Those traits don't just become habits, but become bred-in nature.

Simply put, you can take a calm pup, nurture aggression into him, it become the dogs nature, then breed that dog, and that aggressive nature can manifest itself in the pups. Take that slightly more aggressive dog, nurture further levels of aggression into it, then breed that dog, and that aggressive nature will manifest itself at a higher level in that next breed of pups.

In as little time as three/four years, you can take a completely loving breed and nurture an aggressive mentality into it and create a dog that can be prone to violence.

This is why my brother in law is so careful. He owns two pure-bred female Pits, and works with only three or four handlers that he trusts don't abuse the males that he breeds with his females. No inbreeding, no nurtured aggression...

Considering he makes thousands of dollars a year on the side, I'll take his word over yours.

[Sportcamper]

In general, people who own pit bulls never made the high school basketball, baseball or football team…They never excelled in academics…They were the people who spent their youth getting drunk, throwing up in public and driving their loud cars through the parking lot while school was in session….

Now these people with low self esteem have to have the bad-est dog in the neighborhood to prove their self worth…It is a fact that business professionals & blue collar workers in high paying jobs do not own pit bulls…They own Poodles, Labradors, Pointers, Retrievers etc etc….

[koriwhat]

In general, people who own pit bulls never made the high school basketball, baseball or football team…They never excelled in academics…They were the people who spent their youth getting drunk, throwing up in public and driving their loud cars through the parking lot while school was in session….

Now these people with low self esteem have to have the bad-est dog in the neighborhood to prove their self worth…It is a fact that business professionals & blue collar workers in high paying jobs do not own pit bulls…They own Poodles, Labradors, Pointers, Retrievers etc etc….

if this is really your serious input then you gotta be the dumbest motherfucker to walk this planet.

did you see the list of people mentioned earlier in this thread who own pits? you're one dumb motherfucker.

[JMarkJohns]

In general, people who own pit bulls never made the high school basketball, baseball or football team…They never excelled in academics…They were the people who spent their youth getting drunk, throwing up in public and driving their loud cars through the parking lot while school was in session….

Now these people with low self esteem have to have the bad-est dog in the neighborhood to prove their self worth…It is a fact that business professionals & blue collar workers in high paying jobs do not own pit bulls…They own Poodles, Labradors, Pointers, Retrievers etc etc….

Yeah, I don't own a Pit right now, but will eventually (likely from my brother in law).

Pretty much everything you said a Pit owner never did or did do, is the exact opposite of myself, both growing up and currently.

[benefactor]

In general, people who own pit bulls never made the high school basketball, baseball or football team…They never excelled in academics…They were the people who spent their youth getting drunk, throwing up in public and driving their loud cars through the parking lot while school was in session….

Now these people with low self esteem have to have the bad-est dog in the neighborhood to prove their self worth…It is a fact that business professionals & blue collar workers in high paying jobs do not own pit bulls…They own Poodles, Labradors, Pointers, Retrievers etc etc….
Great post. Rachael Ray, Jessica Biel, Jon Stewart, Bonnie Hunt, Mel Brooks, Shannon Elizabeth and Brad Pitt all seem to fit well within your stereotype.

[pawe]

if this is really your serious input then you gotta be the dumbest motherfucker to walk this planet.

did you see the list of people mentioned earlier in this thread who own pits? you're one dumb motherfucker.

Why cant you participate in a discussion without insulting anyone? Are you really that insecure that you have to call people dumb motherfucking idiots? Calm down pepe.

[BlackSwordsMan]

one less fat person

[marini martini]

Now these people with low self esteem have to have the bad-est dog in the neighborhood to prove their self worth…It is a fact that business professionals & blue collar workers in high paying jobs do not own pit bulls…They own Poodles, Labradors, Pointers, Retrievers etc etc….

WTF??? Blue collars do not own poodles!!!:toast

[Slydragon]

Today at a HEB store a lady had her big dog in the car, said it look like a lab mix and when the lady open the door to load the car the dog got out and attack another customer. Small lady, it bit her arms as she was trying to shield her face. The lady was shaking like crazy they got a wheel chair to take her in cause she was so scared to move.

Was this on the news? NO, 2 reasons why

1. it was not a pitbull

2. (i believe) the lady was Chris Marrou Wife as he showed up after it happen.

If this was a pitbull it would have made national headlines.

[pawe]

Today at a HEB store a lady had her big dog in the car, said it look like a lab mix

Mixed with a pitbull maybe. :lol

[Slydragon]

Mixed with a pitbull maybe. :lol

Naa, because if it was, the news would have just said "yet another pitbull mauling" because it makes better news.

[young_prosecutor]

My dog is so cute and he never bites

[I. Hustle]

I say let all the pits run wild and if you aren't able to defend yourself you aren't supposed to live.

[CubanSucks]

Why cant you participate in a discussion without insulting anyone? Are you really that insecure that you have to call people dumb motherfucking idiots? Calm down pepe.

Did you not see what he was replying to? Pretty dumb motherfucker if you ask me

[koriwhat]

Why cant you participate in a discussion without insulting anyone? Are you really that insecure that you have to call people dumb motherfucking idiots? Calm down pepe.

yes... i am really that insecure. dipshit!

[Guru of Nothing]

In general, people who own pit bulls never made the high school basketball, baseball or football team…They never excelled in academics…They were the people who spent their youth getting drunk, throwing up in public and driving their loud cars through the parking lot while school was in session….

Now these people with low self esteem have to have the bad-est dog in the neighborhood to prove their self worth…It is a fact that business professionals & blue collar workers in high paying jobs do not own pit bulls…They own Poodles, Labradors, Pointers, Retrievers etc etc….

Late to the thread, but homo say what?

Majority of "rescue" dogs are of pit bull mix. If well-to-do individuals are paying bucks for non-rescue dogs, that speaks ill of well-to-do individuals.

I just adopted a 40 pound three-legged pit bull and I cannot beat chicks off with a stick. Chicks dig pit bulls, and I dig chicks.

Suzie's loyalty defies elaboration, yet I've no doubt she'd save a random child before she would save me.

It might take me a day or two, but stay tuned for pics of my floppy-eared, three-legged Scrappy Doo.

... and you keep on reading the news, because they have your best interest at heart.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Just had my little pit of 7 years put down due to bone cancer. RIP.

Rescued a beautiful blue nose from a pit rescue a few months ago, good timing I guess. I'm going to rescue from now on. The place I got him from deals with pits only, and every dog up for adoption has gone through rigorous training and temperament testing.

Itsthepits.org

[balli]

Just had my little pit of 7 years put down due to bone cancer. RIP. That sucks. Sorry.


Rescued a beautiful blue nose from a pit rescue a few months ago, good timing I guess. I'm going to rescue from now on. The place I got him from deals with pits only, and every dog up for adoption has gone through rigorous training and temperament testing.

Itsthepits.org
:tu

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The american community should just start destroying every pit they come across by gunfire to the skull.

[Wild Cobra]

The american community should just start destroying every pit they come across by gunfire to the skull.
Are you a shithead in every topic?

Pit bulls are one f the best pets ever. They are powerful however, and they must be cared for properly not to be a threat.

[HarlemHeat37]

..

[benefactor]

The american community should just start destroying every pit they come across by gunfire to the skull.
They would have to walk over my corpse to take mine. Not kidding.

[Guru of Nothing]

Say hello to my little Suzie.

I hope I did this correctly. I spent all of five minutes trying to figure out WTF Picasa was all about.

http://picasaweb.google.com/107007777105195604289/RecentlyUpdated?authkey=Gv1sRgCIbTlKiB_abpvQE#

[MaNuMaNiAc]

The problem is the pit bull's capacity for doing damage.

You're against owning guns then I suppose

[benefactor]

Say hello to my little Suzie.

I hope I did this correctly. I spent all of five minutes trying to figure out WTF Picasa was all about.

http://picasaweb.google.com/107007777105195604289/RecentlyUpdated?authkey=Gv1sRgCIbTlKiB_abpvQE#
Very sweet looking girl. What's the story behind her leg?

[desflood]

Say hello to my little Suzie.

I hope I did this correctly. I spent all of five minutes trying to figure out WTF Picasa was all about.

http://picasaweb.google.com/107007777105195604289/RecentlyUpdated?authkey=Gv1sRgCIbTlKiB_abpvQE#
She looks very sweet. Don't let her eat anybody.

[desflood]

You're against owning guns then I suppose
Guns don't shoot themselves. Dogs, however, are completely mobile without the aid of humans.

[silverblk mystix]

I have a question for the PRO pit people in here.

Seems that you have some good arguments and it seems that you are very compassionate about pit bulls rights-so to speak.

So my question is;

where do you stand on illegal immigration?

Seriously, because I wonder if this same compassion given to pit bulls who have historically mauled human beings, is also given to human beings who come here from another country and want to be U.S. citizens.

In other words, do you give the same compassionate arguments when people start waving US flags and telling other humans to GTFO?

[DisAsTerBot]

I have a question for the PRO pit people in here.

Seems that you have some good arguments and it seems that you are very compassionate about pit bulls rights-so to speak.

So my question is;

where do you stand on illegal immigration?

Seriously, because I wonder if this same compassion given to pit bulls who have historically mauled human beings, is also given to human beings who come here from another country and want to be U.S. citizens.

In other words, do you give the same compassionate arguments when people start waving US flags and telling other humans to GTFO?

contradiction. move along.

[redzero]

I have a question for the PRO pit people in here.

Seems that you have some good arguments and it seems that you are very compassionate about pit bulls rights-so to speak.

So my question is;

where do you stand on illegal immigration?

Seriously, because I wonder if this same compassion given to pit bulls who have historically mauled human beings, is also given to human beings who come here from another country and want to be U.S. citizens.

In other words, do you give the same compassionate arguments when people start waving US flags and telling other humans to GTFO?

That's a non sequitur if I've ever seen one.

[silverblk mystix]

contradiction. move along.

Unable to give an honest answer?

Why?

There is no contradiction.

[Guru of Nothing]

Very sweet looking girl. What's the story behind her leg?

Vet believes she was it by car. Said the leg was broken in two place and the bone had set completely wrong. Only good option was to amputate.

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

K.

[Sportcamper]

This is a very good start & I applaud the efforts of The Douglasville City Council….However I advocate registration & mandatory drug testing for all owners of pit-bulls as well…

Douglasville, Ga. -- The Douglasville City Council could vote tonight to ban ownership of pit bulls.
If the measure passes, Douglasville will become the first city in the state to approve such a ban...
Current owners would be allowed to keep them, but required to register the animals...

http://www.11alive.com/rss/rss_story.aspx?storyid=154843

[CubanSucks]

This is a very good start & I applaud the efforts of The Douglasville City Council….However I advocate registration & mandatory drug testing for all owners of pit-bulls as well…

Douglasville, Ga. -- The Douglasville City Council could vote tonight to ban ownership of pit bulls.
If the measure passes, Douglasville will become the first city in the state to approve such a ban...
Current owners would be allowed to keep them, but required to register the animals...

http://www.11alive.com/rss/rss_story.aspx?storyid=154843

If you look at my previous posts you'll know I'm one of the "don't blame the breed" posters, and I'm COMPLETELY ok with this. If this means all the irresponsible PoS asshole owners can't abuse them anymore, and the current responsible owners can keep theirs, then this is worth applauding. They really should however extend it to all power breeds, considering those PoS asshole owners will only move on to the next best thing. I view this is as saving the breed

[Sportcamper]

Pit-Bulls are not dogs...This is a dog...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9xq-TVyHI&feature=player_embedded

[DisAsTerBot]

Pit-Bulls are not dogs...This is a dog...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9xq-TVyHI&feature=player_embedded

that's more like some dude's sick substitute for a lady friend. And drug testing to keep a certain breed? That makes sense. See the above poster for logic. No pits means criminals move on to the next available option.

[Guru of Nothing]

This is a very good start & I applaud the efforts of The Douglasville City Council….However I advocate registration & mandatory drug testing for all owners of pit-bulls as well…

Douglasville, Ga. -- The Douglasville City Council could vote tonight to ban ownership of pit bulls.
If the measure passes, Douglasville will become the first city in the state to approve such a ban...
Current owners would be allowed to keep them, but required to register the animals...

http://www.11alive.com/rss/rss_story.aspx?storyid=154843

Nerf the world!

[CubanSucks]

Drug testing is completely unnecessary. All you need is employment status and criminal history. If you rely on government for financial help or if you have a criminal background, you're not suited for owning the dog

[bus driver]

one more for the books (http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Woman-in-hospital-after-neighbors-pitbull-jumps/QuL5oVsn5E2V1gTS4TPpHg.cspx)


the PB's name is 'baby'
:lmao

[CuckingFunt]

the PB's name is 'baby'
:lmao

You are what you eat?

[CubanSucks]

one more for the books (http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Woman-in-hospital-after-neighbors-pitbull-jumps/QuL5oVsn5E2V1gTS4TPpHg.cspx)


the PB's name is 'baby'
:lmao


his other three pit bulls

so he owns 4 and sounds like they're always in the backyard. I'm sure they're getting plenty of affection

[phxspurfan]

Pit-Bulls are not dogs...This is a dog...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9xq-TVyHI&feature=player_embedded

:lol


You, sir, are an internet hero. Thanks for posting.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/kerrville_woman_mauled_by_sons_dog_104777919.html

[DisAsTerBot]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/kerrville_woman_mauled_by_sons_dog_104777919.html

not pitbull

[Sportcamper]

Pit bulls maul woman video…

”But it is how you raise them, my pit bull is so sweet”…

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1621471377001/warning-graphic-video-pit-bulls-maul-woman/?playlist_id=87485

[CubanSucks]

Pit bulls maul woman video…

”But it is how you raise them, my pit bull is so sweet”…

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1621471377001/warning-graphic-video-pit-bulls-maul-woman/?playlist_id=87485

:lmao

>implying that this minority in the BRONX raised them properly :downspin:


I keep thinking you're gonna have a point in one of your numerous bumps of a thread over 2 years old. I keep getting disappointed

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol in all honesty, Pitties are probably in the top 5 friendliest dog breeds I've ever encountered..I have 10-15 friends that own pitbulls, none of them have had any problems with human aggression..

I have a German Shepherd, he's 2 years old, and he's a much more complicated and intense dog than any pitbull I've ever seen, tbh..I've raised him properly, but he has serious prey drive and guard dog instincts..

[RaZon]

I hate to see that young Mexican dude with his pants hanging half way off his ass, tattoo of a spider on his neck with a black hairnet on walking a pit. Trying way too hard to look bad. I wanna pull up roll the window down and laugh.

[angelbelow]

Perhaps you haven't...but that doesn't change the fact that Golden Retrievers and Pit Bulls scored almost exactly the same in temperment tests(The Pit Bulls actually scored slightly better).

American Pit Bull Terrier - 85.3% pass rate (http://www.atts.org/stats1.html)

Golden Retriever - 84.6% pass rate (http://www.atts.org/stats4.html)

There are also plenty of examples (http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/OtherBreedBites/AllDogsBite.htm)
of other dogs that bite. Pits are just singled out.


Oh..and here's a few people you might know (http://www.understand-a-bull.com/PitbullInformation/FamousOwners.htm) that own Pit Bulls. I wonder why they haven't eaten them yet?

Excellent post. Thanks for the links. I lived with a pitbull for 2 years in college and he was one of the sweetest dogs I've ever met. He got along really well with my own dog (Shiba Inu) as well. It's really hard for me to picture him ever being violent.

On the other hand, I can see why they're considered to be dangerous. Their jaw strength has proven to be deadly and they are much stronger than they look. However, in the right training environment with the right kind of knowledgeable owner, I sincerely doubt there's any potential danger.

My next dog is definitely going to be a pitbull. I really like their friendly personality and their playfulness. My Shiba is a little dominant with her food and territory, so a pitbulls submissive personality is a plus too. That way I don't have to worry as much about them butting heads. I'm going to be looking for one from the shelter too.. there's just too many in need to ignore.

[Sportcamper]

Perhaps you haven't...but that doesn't change the fact that Golden Retrievers and Pit Bulls scored almost exactly the same in temperment tests(The Pit Bulls actually scored slightly better).

Has to be the most ignorant post in the history of mankind…. :rolleyes

[Goran Dragic]

:lol so the post with actual facts and data is more ignorant than the "Pitbulls are meanies!" generalization?

:lmao at some video of two pits raised by a lazy spook in the Bronx thinking that proves anything. That moon cricket probably keeps them outside all but a few hours every day, never gives them any attention outside of the occasional walk (which we know is occasional given how clueless he is about keeping them restrained), and has times where he forgets to give them water. I'm willing to bet he abuses them too.

I've had a pitbull for a little over a year now and it's the sweetest dog I've ever met. Similar to Harlem, the shepherd/chow mutt my mom's had for over 8 years had a lot more aggressiveness to be corrected than the pitbull we own. The pitbull I've had for over a year loved to nibble on people's fingers as a puppy but has never tried to bite anybody.

The reason you've never seen a Golden Retriever attack someone is because Jamal and Leroy never chose golden retrievers as the dogs they're gonna raise to be brutal animals who they can bet on to win fights. The people who adopt golden retrievers are people who want to raise a sweet house pet, not a killer. If Golden Retrievers were just as "sweet and loving" as they are now but had maybe the strongest jaw of any breed, niggas like Mike Vick would be buying them up and subjecting them to the torture his dogs got for losing fights.

[Goran Dragic]

Here's a couple of pics of my boy Memphis and my cat Duncan. His aggressive nature is on full display.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/gospelrapper/memphisduncan.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/gospelrapper/memphisduncan1.jpg


Nice, but if he ever snaps.......he will rip that cat to shreds and then its your turn!!! :depressed

You stupid coon, that could be said about any medium-large sized dog laying next to a cat. Benefactor having his pit trained to get along with cats and be affectionate towards them is more than a lot of people can do to have their dogs/cats get along. Does that look like a dog that's ready to snap? it sure as hell doesn't to me.

[Goran Dragic]

Pit Bull Owner Logic-Pit Bulls dont kill children...The Child must have done something terribel to the Pit-Bull...
That's not the logic at all. You're blaming the wrong party with these "pitbull gets loose and kills kid" stories. It doesn't just go for pitbulls, but any dog in general, if you can't manage the simple task of making sure your dog doesn't get loose and have free reign over the neighborhood, you don't deserve to own a dog. It's a really fuckin simple task people struggle with.

The biggest pet peeve of mine is when I'm walking my dog and have to deal with some dog who's loose and its owner doesn't even know it. A few months ago I was walking my dog and someone's dog (looked like a lab of some sort) was loose. It ran over and the minute it showed its teeth at my dog I kicked the shit out of it a few times till the owner actually saw it as he was driving by and started to bitch at me and threatened to call the police. I said go ahead you fuckin dumbass because you're the only one here who broke a law by not keeping your dog restrained on a public street. The guy said nothing else and took his dog back to his house :lmao. If I wasn't a 6'2" guy who weighs 200+ pounds walking a pitbull but rather an elderly 5'2" woman who couldn't fend off an attack, it wouldn't have been the dog's fault. It woulda been the fatass owner who can't keep his dog restrained.

[mavs>spurs]

^yup, it's the dumbass owners who are to blame for that sort of thing. what most people don't know is that originally, the dog was bred to have zero aggression towards humans as people would come into the ring to tend to it after a fight. originally they were pretty much useless as guard dogs because they absolutely wouldn't bite a human being. all the aggression has been bred in over time.

[mavs>spurs]

people also say that rottweilers are vicious whenever the fact is that those 2 are the most overbred breeds in america and stupid people are attracted to them, hence the bad rep. rottweilers are actually amazing family dogs, highly intelligent, and good at competitive obedience. studies show that a golden retreiver or a lab are more likely to bite a human than a rottweiler or pitbull.

[tlongII]

people also say that rottweilers are vicious whenever the fact is that those 2 are the most overbred breeds in america and stupid people are attracted to them, hence the bad rep. rottweilers are actually amazing family dogs, highly intelligent, and good at competitive obedience. studies show that a golden retreiver or a lab are more likely to bite a human than a rottweiler or pitbull.

Stop smoking crack.

[mavs>spurs]

^I'ma take a page out of DoK's book, I'll take facts and data from scientific studies over ":cry the big bad rottweilers are mean :cry"

[mavs>spurs]

I got a bullmastiff and he's never bitten anyone, another "dangerous" breed :cry

[Goran Dragic]

met a pit bull 2 weeks ago

family friend invited me inside her house. her adult son was home with his pit bull.

opened the door for her, was standing behind her. pit bull and chihuahua run up to me in the doorway like stupid dogs do.

chihuaha jumps on my leg and licks me, pit bull comes right up and bites the fuck out of the inside of my knee.

no bark, no growl, just walk up and bite

awesome dog
My pit would do that if he saw you.

I trained him to be nice to everyone except be@ners

[Goran Dragic]

?
You're a be@ner, hence my pit wouldn't be nice to you.

He comes in handy when your people come by axing to trim the palm trees.

[Goran Dragic]

:lol is that the new defense Mexicans have when they're called out for being the worst group of human beings

[IWantsACuatro]

You're a be@ner, hence my pit wouldn't be nice to you.

He comes in handy when your people come by axing to trim the palm trees.


lol Statistics turned against you. This game is fun.

I'd shoot your fucking dog, btw.

[mavs>spurs]

Hemann's argument isn't very scientific. First off, pit bulls and rottweilers are two of the most popular breeds in america, so theoretically if all dogs were created equal they would naturally account for the majority of all bites due to sheer numbers. Secondly, when a chihuahua or even a lab or golden retreiver bites, it's not nearly as likely to cause serious injury or even death, hence may not even be reported. Of course the more powerful dogs are going to do more damage when they do bite and it'll make news.


:lol so mean and aggressive

http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/

Description of the Temperament Test
The ATTS Temperament Test focuses on and measures different aspects of temperament such as stability, shyness, aggressiveness, and friendliness as well as the dog’s instinct for protectiveness towards its handler and/or self-preservation in the face of a threat.

The test simulates a casual walk through a park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog’s ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions.

Dogs must be at least 18 months old to enter this test. The test takes about eight to 12 minutes to complete. The dog is on a loose six-foot (6′) lead. The handler is not allowed to talk to the dog, give commands, or give corrections.

Failure on any part of the test is recognized when a dog shows:

Unprovoked aggression
Panic without recovery
Strong avoidance
The ATTS Temperament Test consists of ten subtests divided into five subcategories:


Behavior Toward Strangers
Objective: To measure the dog’s reaction to strangers in a non-threatening situation.

Subtest 1: Neutral stranger
A stranger to the dog approaches the handler, shakes hands with the handler and engages the handler in a brief conversation, ignoring the dog.
The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog’s reaction to passive socialization and the dog’s protective instinct.

Subtest 2: Friendly stranger
A stranger to the dog approaches happily and briskly, is very friendly to the dog and pets the dog.
The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog’s active social skills.

Reaction to Auditory Stimuli
Objective: To measure the dog’s reaction to auditory stimuli and the dog’s investigative behavior.

Subtest 3: Hidden Noise
The handler/dog team approaches a hidden assistant who rattles a metal bucket filled with rocks and sets this bucket in the path of the team. The handler may encourage the dog to investigate the bucket only when asked to do so. The handler’s focus must be on the bucket, not on the dog.
The purpose of this subtest is to test alertness and curiosity.

Subtest 4: Gunshots
The handler stops at a designated marker with his/her back towards a well hidden assistant. The assistant fires three shots using a .22 caliber starter pistol (SHOT-PAUSE-SHOT-SHOT).
The purpose of this subtest is to measure the dog’s recovery response to a sudden noise.

Reaction to Visual Stimulus
Objective: To measure the dog’s reaction to a sudden visual stimulus.

Subtest 5: Umbrella
The handler/dog team approaches an assistant sitting in a chair holding a closed umbrella parallel to the ground at a 90 degree angle to the approaching team. When the dog is five feet from the assistant, the umbrella is opened. The handler may encourage the dog to investigate the umbrella only when asked to do so. The handler’s focus must be on the umbrella, not on the dog.

Tactile Stimuli
Objective: To measure the dog’s reaction to unusual footing.

Subtest 6: Plastic Footing
Both the handler and the dog walk the entire length of a 15-foot by 6-foot clear plastic strip.

Subtest 7: Wire Footing
Only the dog will walk the entire length of a 12-foot by 3-foot unfolded exercise pen.

The purpose of these subtests is to measure the dog’s sensitivity to unusual footing, its ability to recover from the fear of unusual footing and to measure its investigative behavior to the unusual footing.

Self Protective/Aggressive Behavior
Objective: These tests collectively evaluate the dog’s capacity to recognize an unusual situation, its threshold to provocation, its protective instincts, and its propensity to realize when the situation becomes a threat.

Subtest 8: Non-Threatening
The handler/dog team stops at the designated marker. A weirdly-dressed stranger crosses the path 38 feet in front of the team.
The purpose of this subtest is to test the dog’s alertness to an unusual situation.

Subtest 9: Threatening
The weird stranger advances 10 feet towards the stationary handler in a threatening manner.
The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog’s ability to recognize when an unusual situation turns into a provocation.

Subtest 10: Aggression
The weird stranger advances to within 18 feet of the stationary handler in an aggressive manner.
The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog’s protective instincts.

The stranger is never closer than 10 feet from the dog. The handler’s 2 foot arm and the 6′ lead is added in for a total of 18 feet. Aggression here is checked against the breed standard and the dog’s training. A schutzhund trained dog lunging at the stranger is allowed, but if an untrained Siberian husky does the same, it may fail.

At the conclusion of the test, the handler will receive a critique about the dog’s performance. Certificate will be mailed within 90 days of the test.

[mavs>spurs]

If a thousand labs bit for every 1 rottweiler, rottweilers would still account for more fatalities due to the fact that they more much more powerful.

:lol bean mann

[IWantsACuatro]

If a thousand labs bit for every 1 rottweiler, rottweilers would still account for more fatalities due to the fact that they more much more powerful.

:lol bean mann


So you agree that they're most likely to maul someone than any other breed solely because of their power?

[Goran Dragic]

lol Statistics turned against you. This game is fun.

I'd shoot your fucking dog, btw.
rofl typical mexican needing guns and knives cause he's a pussy with his hands

[IWantsACuatro]

rofl typical mexican needing guns and knives cause he's a pussy with his hands


You'd fight a pit bull with your hands? Such a tough guy.

pOnATYQQ6Ew

[mavs>spurs]

So you agree that they're most likely to maul someone than any other breed solely because of their power?

Yeah that's why they are only for responsible owners. You don't get a dog like that just to put in the backyard and do it's own thing. Those are what are known as "working dogs."

If you socialize one and have experience with large dogs they really aren't going to maul someone. I've got a bullmastiff, the only person he's biting is an intruder.

[Goran Dragic]

You'd fight a pit bull with your hands? Such a tough guy.

pOnATYQQ6Ew
Fighting/abusing animals isn't something I think about very much. It's an activity that mostly minorities (i.e. Mexicans and blacks) take part in :lol

[mavs>spurs]

Honestly I prefer animals to people tbh (especially beaners). My dog is my nigga he ain't gonna backstab me or fuck around, he's got my back. They love their owners unconditionally :cry

[IWantsACuatro]

Yeah that's why they are only for responsible owners. You don't get a dog like that just to put in the backyard and do it's own thing. Those are what are known as "working dogs."

If you socialize one and have experience with large dogs they really aren't going to maul someone. I've got a bullmastiff, the only person he's biting is an intruder.


It's a breed that needs to be reigned in, regardless of its temperment because the death ratio is appauling. Prospective owners atleast need a background check before they buy one. There's no excuse why pit bulls kill 52+ ppl in two years compared to the other "aggressive" breeds who only account for 2-3 each.

[GoodOdor]

Tbh there's some confusion between causation and correlation....if you think about it, the type of people who would raise a shitty, overaggressive dog are the type to choose a powerful/"scary" breed to begin with. People who choose labs are probably more likely to be a family, and thus will probably have it trained to be friendly.

I've yet to see an aggressive lab tbh.

[mavs>spurs]

It's a breed that needs to be reigned in, regardless of its temperment because the death ratio is appauling. Prospective owners atleast need a background check before they buy one. There's no excuse why pit bulls kill 52+ ppl in two years compared to the other "aggressive" breeds who only account for 2-3 each.

because they're powerful and minorities like to use them as a "macho symbol." instead of treating them like a pet. minorities should be banned first and we wouldn't have a problem at all.

[Goran Dragic]

They're the type who would pick a strong breed capable of brutal attacks, which pittbulls are. If labs had notoriously strong jaws, every spook in the dirty south would want one to bet on in fights.

[benefactor]

lol dogsbite.org. Only a faggot like hemann would choose such a shit source.

http://www.pitbulletinlegalnews.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/116-dogsbiteorg-dogbite-qstatisticsq-the-fox-guarding-the-henhouse

[benefactor]

lol Statistics turned against you. This game is fun.

lol uneducated faggot. Do some real research instead of trusting some shitty source that a dumbass posts.

[IWantsACuatro]

lol uneducated faggot. Do some real research instead of trusting some shitty source that a dumbass posts.


http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

Ouch, faggot with very conservative goverment data. Gay boy got you bent over. Mmmmm.

Now that I threw some poo back, let me explain the serious problem I have with the pit bull community.

Regardless of what statistics you present, pit bulls are THE deadliest breed in the United States hands down. There should be no reason why a purported domesticated animal should be so aggressive towards people who aren't directly harming the owner.

My problem isn't with the breed itself, but with the breeders and owners. Having been an owner of an 'aggressive breed,' I did hours and hours of research on the dog I wanted.

The breed I own was depicted as a man-killing breed (and yes, it was bred to be a guard dog and used in war) in the 60s and 70s. Breeders made it a conscious effort to breed out the aggression, and now fatalities among the breed are minimal. When I purchased my dog, the breeder did an in-depth background check on me, and I went through an interviewing process. I was approved, and the puppy I purchased is the best damn dog I've ever owned. Believe me, I kept him on a short leash, and now he's the world's biggest couch potato.

As far as I can tell, pit bull breeders on a national scale haven't made it their goal to breed out aggression. Nor are they doing background checks on owners and continually instilling the need for owners to give their dog a role and not keeping them pinned in the backyard. Instead they take to apologetics. "The statistics are flawed, pit bulls are less aggressive than labs, etc. etc." Owners are making the same excuses, as evidenced by this thread. Noone has addressed why the public views pits as they do. Instead, breeders should start a national campaign on improving the dog's imagine - not creating 'legal think tank' websites (that I presume are started to counter lawsuits) to protect the owners. It should be a breed agenda. Instead, all I see is apologetics. tl/dr.

[benefactor]

:lol

Again...learn how to to proper research. The CDC themselves came out and said that very fact sheet you posted was worthless related to breed specific dog bites.

A CDC study on fatal dog bites lists the breeds involved in fatal attacks over 20 years (Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998 ). It does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus is not appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. Each year, 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs. These bites result in approximately 16 fatalities; about 0.0002 percent of the total number of people bitten. These relatively few fatalities offer the only available information about breeds involved in dog bites. There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill.
http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Dog-Bites/dogbite-factsheet.html

It's also hard to take you seriously when you say shit like, "pit bulls are the deadliest breed in the United States" and follow it up with with "My problem isn't with the breed itself, but with the breeders and owners." There's no such thing as a deadly breed. It's a myth created by the media. How is 16 fatalities a year out of 4.7 million bites(that's all breeds) deadly? Again, do some real research.

You are right about there being more aggressive breeds though...and when need to get information about such things I personally will yield to real professionals...like...the American Veterinary Medical Association. Here is a very recent publication from them regarding the role of breed in dog bite risk and prevention.

http://www.avma.org/reference/backgrounders/dog_bite_risk_and_prevention_bgnd.pdf

Owners of pit bull-type dogs deal with a strong breed stigma, however controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous. The pit bull type is particularly ambiguous as a “breed” encompassing a range of pedigree breeds, informal types and appearances that cannot be reliably identified. Visual determination of dog breed is known to not always be reliable. And witnesses may be predisposed to assume that a vicious dog is of this type.

Given that pit bull-type dogs are not implicated in controlled studies, and the potential role of prevalence and management factors, it is difficult to support the targeting of this breed as a basis for dog bite prevention. If breeds are to be targeted a cluster of large breeds would be implicated including the German shepherd and shepherd crosses and other breeds that vary by location.

[benefactor]

Listen...if you own a large breed dog...Pit bull, Doberman, Lab, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, etc. then you should own it responsibly. You aren't saving anyone's life by targeting a specific breed and saying that it's a born killer so we should get rid of it. You get rid of that breed and there will be another one in line...and getting rid of a breed that has tons of information about it not being dangerous is even dumber. If you are trying to get rid of dog bites by getting rid of pit bulls then you are horribly misguided.

[benefactor]

Please debunk:

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/dog-attack-deaths-maimings-merritt-clifton-2011.pdf

:wakeup
Already have.



Who is Merritt Clifton And What Are His Credentials?

Most news stories obtain their Pro-BSL statistics from dogsbite.org. As noted above, Colleen Lynn started this anti-pitbull blog in 2007 as a result of what she decribed as a vicious pit bull attack. PBLN has previously reported on the evolution of this preventable accident into the myth of vicious pit bull attack. Initially, Lynn compiled her dog bite data from a study done by Merritt Clifton. Nobody has any idea what his raw data was, and none of his statistics are consistent with what independent peer reviewed research shows. He has no qualifications to do scientific research into dog behavior. Out of all the dog bite reports and information available in 2008, including the CDC and AVMA, Lynn chose Merritt Clifton's self published unscientific and uncredentialed report? Yes. It is the only report that agrees with the agenda of DBO.
http://www.pitbulletinlegalnews.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/116-dogsbiteorg-dogbite-qstatisticsq-the-fox-guarding-the-henhouse
:wakeup

[CubanSucks]

The argument throughout this thread hasn't even been statistics, although benefactor is now making his case, it's been about pitbulls being an unconditionally aggressive breed.


If you look at my previous posts you'll know I'm one of the "don't blame the breed" posters, and I'm COMPLETELY ok with this. If this means all the irresponsible PoS asshole owners can't abuse them anymore, and the current responsible owners can keep theirs, then this is worth applauding. They really should however extend it to all power breeds, considering those PoS asshole owners will only move on to the next best thing. I view this is as saving the breed

still my overlying ideology on this issue. Nip it in the bud if nothing more than for the sake of all the dogs that would be abused in the future

[DMC]

Listen...if you own a large breed dog...Pit bull, Doberman, Lab, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, etc. then you should own it responsibly. You aren't saving anyone's life by targeting a specific breed and saying that it's a born killer so we should get rid of it. You get rid of that breed and there will be another one in line...and getting rid of a breed that has tons of information about it not being dangerous is even dumber. If you are trying to get rid of dog bites by getting rid of pit bulls then you are horribly misguided.

Pit bulls are misunderstood, especially by relatives of those people who've been mauled by them.

[IWantsACuatro]

http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Dog-Bites/dogbite-factsheet.html


http://www.avma.org/reference/backgrounders/dog_bite_risk_and_prevention_bgnd.pdf


Both studies conclude that pit-bull types accounted for most severe bites.

Other bites that aren't severe (ones in controlled studies) are mostly yip-yap dogs - not necessarily dangerous but annoying as fuck.

Then they basically say that they don't want to be involved in the discussion policy-wise because of the owner stigma and lack of breed stabilization.

If I were a pit-bull breeder, I'd try to establish new pedigree guidelines with breeders across the US and reign in the breed. Variability, in this case, is not a good thing. Maybe instead of trying to make it a non-issue, the pit-bull community should distance itself away from the owner stigma.

[TE]

:lol no offense to those who have pit bulls, but why would anyone want to own one?


Serious question.

[CubanSucks]

:lol no offense to those who have pit bulls, but why would anyone want to own one?


Serious question.

tell us which breed YOU prefer so we can all follow suit


Because they are affectionate, loyal, and protective?

and on top of that because some prefer their looks the same way some may prefer labs or jack russells or dalmations, because they think they're "cuter." I for one can't stand the way labs look. The most plain ugly dog in the world imo. Yet it seems most people in the world think they're absolutely adorable. Is that really too much to understand, triggered?

[CubanSucks]

Pit bulls are misunderstood, especially by relatives of those people who've been mauled by them.

this might have been considered witty or funny 4-5 pages ago

[benefactor]

Both studies conclude that pit-bull types accounted for most severe bites.

Other bites that aren't severe (ones in controlled studies) are mostly yip-yap dogs - not necessarily dangerous but annoying as fuck.

Then they basically say that they don't want to be involved in the discussion policy-wise because of the owner stigma and lack of breed stabilization.

If I were a pit-bull breeder, I'd try to establish new pedigree guidelines with breeders across the US and reign in the breed. Variability, in this case, is not a good thing. Maybe instead of trying to make it a non-issue, the pit-bull community should distance itself away from the owner stigma.
Actually German Shepherds make the list more, but the bite studies are beside the point...as the AVMA points out that many times pit bulls cannot be properly identified visually and that witnesses may be predisposed to assume that a vicious dog is a pit bull(i.e. the many false reports from d:lolgbite.org). That sums up the problem with any bite study. You have to rely on the people reporting and as you can see in the previous link I posted many times those people say whatever they want.

Meanwhile, I will continue to rely on more concrete data:

-the statement from the AVMA that says "controlled studies have not
identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous."

-tests done by the ATTS that show pit bulls pass at rate of almost 87%(better than Golden Retrievers).

Find me some information about the actual breed being dangerous that can disprove these two things and get back to me.

/thread

[Goran Dragic]

rofl what a slut loser whoever made that blog is

:crya big mean pitbull bit me so now I'm gonna dedicate my life to some shitty blog about how big and mean pitbulls are:cry

[IWantsACuatro]

Actually German Shepherds make the list more, but the bite studies are beside the point...


You do realize the list is by country right? We're talking the US here. Go back and recount. Look at the source as well - severe attacks, hospital visits and fatalities are what we're talking about.




-the statement from the AVMA that says "controlled studies have not
identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous."

/thread

Controlled studies. What about non-controlled? You know...something called real life. The data of bite hierarchy doesn't lie. Thats four different sources with pit bulls on top of severe attacks with two of them you consider from valid institutions. Still you say you don't believe them.

Disproportionately is a loaded term that means "Eh, we don't want to get involved. Yeah they're on top, but there's more to it."

Sorry man, but it seems like nothing's going to get through your head that pit bulls maul people. I guess there's reason for that since its a personal issue for you. Same for others on this site who are at the opposite end of the spectrum.

[mrsmaalox]

Any breed of dog can be dangerous in the hands of a stupid owner. Smart people choose pits because they love dogs or the breed; stupid people choose pits for some kind of stupid person manufactured "status" or to exploit the dog. The obvious study that needs to be done is what percentage of attacks are carried out by pets of stupid owners vs. pets of smart owners.

[Sportcamper]

Pit-Bull owners may want to check their homeowners policy & to see if they are covered if their dog bites someone…In Cali insurance companies like All-State will not insure homeowners who have Pit-Bulls…To me that speaks volumes about the breed…

[benefactor]

You do realize the list is by country right? We're talking the US here. Go back and recount. Look at the source as well - severe attacks, hospital visits and fatalities are what we're talking about.

So different countries make dogs more aggressive? lol.


Controlled studies. What about non-controlled? You know...something called real life. The data of bite hierarchy doesn't lie. Thats four different sources with pit bulls on top of severe attacks with two of them you consider from valid institutions. Still you say you don't believe them.

Disproportionately is a loaded term that means "Eh, we don't want to get involved. Yeah they're on top, but there's more to it."

Sorry man, but it seems like nothing's going to get through your head that pit bulls maul people. I guess there's reason for that since its a personal issue for you. Same for others on this site who are at the opposite end of the spectrum.
lol making up your own definitions to words to fit your agenda.


Meanwhile, I will continue to rely on more concrete data:

-the statement from the AVMA that says "controlled studies have not
identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous."

-tests done by the ATTS that show pit bulls pass at rate of almost 87%(better than Golden Retrievers).

Find me some information about the actual breed being dangerous that can disprove these two things and get back to me.

/thread
:wakeup

[mrsmaalox]

Pit-Bull owners may want to check their homeowners policy & to see if they are covered if their dog bites someone…In Cali insurance companies like All-State will not insure homeowners who have Pit-Bulls…To me that speaks volumes about the breed…

That also speaks volumes about the insurance company.....State Farm does not discriminate against certain breeds. On their site their spokesman, Jeff McCollum, says that "there are good and bad dogs within each breed, just like there are responsible and irresponsible dog owners."

[benefactor]

lol bite studies
lol relying on information from ghettos and rednecks

[Bill_Brasky]

I don't trust pit bulls. When I was younger I had a friend who's mom owned a kennel and would bring various dogs home while they found a permament home for them. At one point she had a pit bull and a pug. Both super sweet dogs, got along great. Then one day she came home from the store to find pug guts all over her living room. That pit bull ripped it to fuckin shreds.

Needless to say, there were no more pit bulls after that.

[IWantsACuatro]

So different countries make dogs more aggressive? lol.

lol making up your own definitions to words to fit your agenda.

:wakeup

Lol some of those countries BANNED pit-bulls. I find it ironic that Germany was the first to do so.

I guess they don't have the Beanerfactor, tbh, like US owner stigmas.

[Sportcamper]

That also speaks volumes about the insurance company.....State Farm does not discriminate against certain breeds. On their site their spokesman, Jeff McCollum, says that "there are good and bad dogs within each breed, just like there are responsible and irresponsible dog owners."

That’s not the complete story…The list of insurance companies that will insure a dangerous breed of dog is very short…You will also make up for it with higher premiums…

[IWantsACuatro]

That’s not the complete story…The list of insurance companies that will insure a dangerous breed of dog is very short…You will also make up for it with higher premiums…


Depends what neighborhood or city you're in as well. To be fair, some breeds that aren't covered kind of leave me scratching my head.

Quick google search: http://www.insure.com/articles/homeinsurancefaq/do-home-insurance-companies-have-a-dog-black-list.html

[benefactor]

Lol some of those countries BANNED pit-bulls. I find it ironic that Germany was the first to do so.

I guess they don't have the Beanerfactor, tbh, like US owner stigmas.
Not a be@ner. You're getting pretty good at this stereotyping thing.


Meanwhile, I will continue to rely on more concrete data:

-the statement from the AVMA that says "controlled studies have not
identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous."

-tests done by the ATTS that show pit bulls pass at rate of almost 87%(better than Golden Retrievers).

Find me some information about the actual breed being dangerous that can disprove these two things and get back to me.

/thread
Still waiting.

[benefactor]

I love how you keep ignoring the fact that the CDC and AVMA have both said that bite statistics are not a reliable way to measure or determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill.

[Sportcamper]

-tests done by the ATTS that show pit bulls pass at rate of almost 87%(better than Golden Retrievers).

That is hysterical gibberish…The same folks also claim that elephants make excellent house pets...:lol

If any of that were to be true insurance companies would also ban Golden Retrievers for homeowners policies…

[benefactor]

-tests done by the ATTS that show pit bulls pass at rate of almost 87%(better than Golden Retrievers).

That is hysterical gibberish…The same folks also claim that elephants make excellent house pets...:lol

If any of that were to be true insurance companies would also ban Golden Retrievers for homeowners policies…
Hate to bust your bubble, pit hater.

American Pit Bull Terrier (http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/)

Golden Retriever (http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page4/)

Sample size is almost exactly the same.

[TheSanityAnnex]

There is no point in arguing with the anti-pit crowd. Trust me, I used to do the same thing on this board. Having owned pits for over ten years I can say the only thing I do now is let my Pit's actions speak for themselves. Every single person that has met them, some weary at first, has fallen in love with them. Many want or have gotten their own pits after meeting mine. My brother and parents both own pits now after being scared of them thanks to the media. Until the media stops their biased reporting (and thugs quit owning them) pits will have a bad rap. I just say fuck it now, I know my pits are wonderful dogs, no reason to try and convince someone otherwise, they'll simply find out when they meet my dogs.

[benefactor]

Yeah...I know. I'm done here. I have supported my defense for the breed with facts and not hearsay driven or manipulated bite stats. I have my own ownership history and the history of others...plus tons of notable people who own them and have not been attacked. Cesar Millan has tons of them and still seems to be doing quite well after all these years.

Nothing really left to say. Believe in the pit bull boogeyman if you want. I choose the truth.

[IWantsACuatro]

Yeah...I know. I'm done here. I have supported my defense for the breed with facts and not hearsay driven or manipulated bite stats.


:lol


Cesar Millan has tons of them and still seems to be doing quite well after all these years.


And people watch his show. Being able to train a pit makes him credible. Steve Irwin of dogs, tbh.

[benefactor]

:lol



Meanwhile, I will continue to rely on more concrete data:

-the statement from the AVMA that says "controlled studies have not
identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous."

-tests done by the ATTS that show pit bulls pass at rate of almost 87%(better than Golden Retrievers).

Find me some information about the actual breed being dangerous that can disprove these two things and get back to me.

/thread
:lol

[IWantsACuatro]

-tests done by the ATTS that show pit bulls pass at rate of almost 87%(better than Golden Retrievers).

Find me some information about the actual breed being dangerous that can disprove these two things and get back to me.

/thread


Ok, lets ask your hero Cesar Millan!

5 main reasons dog bites happen.
http://www.cesarsway.com/askthevet/dogwellness/dog-bites-101-why-bites-happen

Seems to me that most bites happen around the owner's property, during maternity or when the animal is being hurt or threatened.

Let's ask a vet study

http://dogbitelaw.com/why-dogs-bite-people/motives-to-bite.html

Dog is hurt, afraid, protective or predatory instinct - particularly when there's other dogs involved (chasing the neighbor's kid, presumably. good dog!)

Now, does the ATTS test simulate any of that?

"The test simulates a casual walk through a park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog’s ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions."

http://atts.org/tt-test-description/

What happens when the dog isn't on a leash or the owner isn't present? A dog's temperment certainly doesn't change when it's on its own property, does it? Do they beat the dog during the test to see what it does? Who cares, they're more tempermental than Goldies!


-----------
Personally, I could see any dog failing the shit out that test, mine included. It seems that owners who train their dogs specifically for that test are more likely to include them in the study. You sign up to test your dog. It's not a random sample by any means.

[benefactor]

I could take all that apart and shit it right in the middle of your forehead but I'm done here. You are either a pure dumbass or trolling.

Have fun believing in the pit bull boogeyman.

[IWantsACuatro]

bump

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/05/man-returns-home-to-find-family-dog-mauled-father-to-death/

[IWantsACuatro]

my beagle mauls all the time

dogfood


and the psyches of its caretakers.

[lebomb]

http://www.kvia.com/news/31029079/detail.html?hpt=ju_bn5



:depressed

[IWantsACuatro]

Looks like pit-bulls had a two for one special today.

Sad day.

[Sportcamper]

LAS CRUCES, N.M. -- A 16-month-old girl has died from injuries suffered when a pit bull mauled her in the family backyard in Las Cruces.

What a horrible story....

[Bynumite]

GHkAejdpHlo

[Sportcamper]

What the heck, that is disgusting....

[TE]

:wow at that video

[CubanSucks]

:lol you've been beaten. Benefactor was surgical in this thread with science and facts. If you want to resort to anecdotes, which is was these bumps are, I could oblige with the total of 4 pitbulls in my immediate family. That would be just as relevant as these stories, wouldn't you agree?

[Sportcamper]

Well there is the video of the poor old guy getting his arm tore off...

[CubanSucks]

you mean in that shitty concrete cage? What's you point?

[IWantsACuatro]

:lol you've been beaten. Benefactor was surgical in this thread with science and facts. If you want to resort to anecdotes, which is was these bumps are, I could oblige with the total of 4 pitbulls in my immediate family. That would be just as relevant as these stories, wouldn't you agree?

If this was a jury, you'd be disqualified by association. Sorry senor, but you've been a little butt raped bitch ever since you signed on to the site.

BTW, Benefactor posted a pic of his pitbull with a cat, so according to your logic, his argument is irrelevant as well.

[CubanSucks]

smh, the pic isn't relevant but the SCIENCE and FACTS are. Nice try

so far it goes like this

pro pitbull people: life experience and facts

anti pitbull people: some news stories

btw, you've been following me the 4 years I've been on this site? You're more obsessed with me than you are with a breed of dog

[Sportcamper]

Cuban- I just want to say that I enjoy watching little people big world...

[IWantsACuatro]

smh, the pic isn't relevant but the SCIENCE and FACTS are. Nice try

so far it goes like this

pro pitbull people: life experience and facts

anti pitbull people: some news stories

btw, you've been following me the 4 years I've been on this site? You're more obsessed with me than you are with a breed of dog

I've been here since '06 but not under this name. I thought you were a big fan of mine :depressed.

What facts did he post other than the ATTS bullshit that simulates an environment that most dog bites don't even occur in?

What do you make of bite statistics from numerous sources (including government) that have been posted? Those are news stories?

What about "life experiences" of people on here who have been bit by pittbulls?

I had to let my own dog go because of breed restrictions and harsh insurance policies directed toward the breed. It's not a pitbull, and I bet the odds of me retaining my dog would be greater if bite stats weren't flooded by that breed.

[benefactor]

yawn

[mavs>spurs]

i'd just like one of the pit haters to tell me scientifically, what exactly is it that separates a pit bull from any other dog? is it their dna? be really really specific so we can start figuring out what's magic and different about them that makes them bloodthirsty killers..it has to be physical since you guys say it isn't the owners. i'll be listening..

[benefactor]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nevada-dog-mauled-1-year-old-boy-birthday-spared-death-sentence-judge-article-1.1074338?localLinksEnabled=false

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/viewart/20120509/NEWS/305090030/Father-charged-dog-mauling-death-devastated-?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CNews%7Cp

http://www.therecord.com/news/local/article/721528--attack-by-two-dogs-on-bell-worker-investigated

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Woman-Dog-Attack-Olney-150529665.html

http://www.thenewsherald.com/articles/2012/04/27/news/doc4f96e652e1723490704364.txt

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/monroe_county/two-recovering-after-dog-mauling-in-frenchtown-township

Wow...dog attacks by all kinds of dogs! What the fuck is going on here! Only pit bulls attack people!

My favorite gem is from the last link...

Neighbors describe them as pit bulls but Frenchtown Township officials say they are boxers.
:lol

:wakeup

[mavs>spurs]

i'll tell you one thing that actually is linked to aggression and random attacks on owners, hypothyroidism. it causes serious mental problems in a dog, always a good idea to get them tested periodically. my dog got aggressive once with a family member and we had him tested, never happened again in 8 years. just gotta give em a thyroid hormone pill twice a day.

[CubanSucks]

Cuban- I just want to say that I enjoy watching little people big world...

Isn't that a show about midgets? Never seen it. I'm assuming that guy in my avatar is on it? If not then I don't know why you think that

[703 Spurz]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/advocates-parade-in-support-of-pit-bulls/2012/05/20/gIQAYpzFeU_story.html?hpid=z5

+1

[BlackSwordsMan]

GHkAejdpHlo

cute daughter

[DisAsTerBot]

Isn't that a show about midgets? Never seen it. I'm assuming that guy in my avatar is on it? If not then I don't know why you think that

yep he's a midget that we all assume you look like

[tlongII]

i'd just like one of the pit haters to tell me scientifically, what exactly is it that separates a pit bull from any other dog? is it their dna? be really really specific so we can start figuring out what's magic and different about them that makes them bloodthirsty killers..it has to be physical since you guys say it isn't the owners. i'll be listening..

It's their bite-force dumbass.

[benefactor]

It's their bite-force dumbass.
Yet another myth. Does anyone do any sort of real research?

In any event, for the three dogs measured (an American Pit Bull, a German Shepherd and a Rottweiler) the average bite strength was 269 pounds of pressure, with the Rottweiler topping the group with 328 pounds of bite pressure.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/canine-corner/201005/dog-bite-force-myths-misinterpretations-and-realities

[Trill Clinton]

former pit bull owner and I swear I had the nicest dog on the block. I need to scan the photos so I can share her beauty with you guise.

[Sportcamper]

Giffords kill baby seal...:dramaquee

LAGUNA BEACH, Calif. (AP) — The daughter of former astronaut Mark Kelly was walking her pit bull Shiner on Goff Island Beach when the visious canine bolted, ripping the leash from her hand and fatally attacking a beached baby seal.

Kelly is married to former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords

http://news.yahoo.com/giffords-husband-pulls-dog-off-sea-lion-calif-025912905.html

[Woo Bum-kon]

Giffords kill baby seal...:dramaquee

LAGUNA BEACH, Calif. (AP) — The daughter of former astronaut Mark Kelly was walking her pit bull Shiner on Goff Island Beach when the visious canine bolted, ripping the leash from her hand and fatally attacking a beached baby seal.

Kelly is married to former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords

http://news.yahoo.com/giffords-husband-pulls-dog-off-sea-lion-calif-025912905.html

The seal was asking for it. Stop being a baby.

[Avante]

All anyone has to do is look at the stats, yes pit bulls are the most vicious breed of dog. Are all pit bulls vicious, of course not. We all know that one that wouldn't hurt a flea but the stats tell us how it really is.

[Sportcamper]

Pitbull bites eight year old girl in the face...:dramaquee

Little girl credits Chihuahua with saving her from vicious pit bull

Things could have ended very badly for 8-year-old Jenna Desrocher, an elementary school student from Chilliwack, Canada. She was looking for bunnies outside her grandparents' home last week when a neighbor's pit bull escaped its enclosure and attacked her. Luckily, she was saved by the heroic efforts of her dog: a big, strong ... Chihuahua. The much smaller dog, named Honey, drew attention to itself instead of Jenna while the pit bull's owner collared it. Jenna, who's recovering from severe facial injuries she sadly sustained in the attack, is just as brave as her rescuer:
http://now.msn.com/chihuahua-saves-jenna-desrocher-from-pit-bull

[Darth_Pelican]

Today's mauling:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/28/17504438-georgia-toddler-mauled-to-death-by-familys-pack-of-dogs?lite

Georgia toddler mauled to death by family's pack of dogs
By Elizabeth Chuck, Staff Writer, NBC News

A toddler was mauled to death after her family didn't notice she had gotten out of the house, and seven of their nine dogs attacked her in the backyard, Georgia authorities said.
Monica Renee Laminack, just 21 months old, crawled through the doggie door of her family's Ellabell, Ga., home on Wednesday evening and managed to slip out into the backyard, Debra Odom, Bryan County sheriff's office administrative secretary, said.
That's when the family's pet dogs — all pit bulls or pit bull mixes, according to Odom — seized on her.
"They started attacking the child, mauled her, drug her all over the yard, took her clothes off, scattered her clothes," Bryan County Sheriff Clyde Smith said in a news conference Thursday.

Emergency personnel arrived on the scene to find the girl covered in bite marks and were unable to revive her, reported WTOC.com in Georgia (http://www.wtoc.com/story/21812748/2-year-old-girl-killed-by-seven-pit-bulls-in-ellabell).
“When we got here and spoke to EMS, they told us that when they got here, she was already cold. There was nothing they could do,” Bryan County Deputy Sheriff James Beatty told The Savannah Morning News (http://savannahnow.com/news/2013-03-28/dogs-attack-and-kill-bryan-county-toddler#.UVQwIhyG0uc).
Five people were home at around 6 p.m. when the mauling happened, according to WTOC.com, including Monica's 12-year-old brother, who was assigned to watch her, and their grandmother.
The grandmother, who was not identified, reportedly woke up to hear the dogs barking; she looked out her window and yelled "They are killing Monica!", reported WTOC.com.
Bryan County Animal Control euthanized all seven of the dogs involved. An Irish settler and beagle that the family owned were spared, Odum said, adding authorities had never been responded to calls at the home before this.
An autopsy was being conducted on Thursday. No charges have been filed yet.
"It's still under investigation right now," Odum said.
It's unclear why the dogs became aggressive with the toddler, who would have turned 2 years old in June.
“She habitually played with dogs, all of them. But they drug her all over the yard. Something turned them on her. We don’t know what,” Smith said, reported The Savannah Morning News.

[Avante]

We've all seen this...

Young guy walking down the street in a t-shirt showing off his tattoos trying to look badass with his pants hanging halfway down his ass walking a pit bull. Try that with a poodle.

[Blake]

Giffords kill baby seal...:dramaquee

LAGUNA BEACH, Calif. (AP) — The daughter of former astronaut Mark Kelly was walking her pit bull Shiner on Goff Island Beach when the visious canine bolted, ripping the leash from her hand and fatally attacking a beached baby seal.

Kelly is married to former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords

http://news.yahoo.com/giffords-husband-pulls-dog-off-sea-lion-calif-025912905.html

Sidebar: If you get the opportunity to hear Mark Kelly speak, do it. Great stories of him being a pilot.

[benefactor]

yawn

[Sportcamper]

The owner of four pit bulls that killed a woman jogger in a gruesome mauling was charged with murder Thursday …
Alex Jackson, 29, was charged after DNA tests on his dogs found blood on their muzzles and coats that matched that of Pamela Devitt, 63, who died after being bitten 150 to 200 times by his four pit bulls…

But But But Its how you raise them...:dramaquee


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/murder-charged-calif-dog-pack-mauling-death-19289452#.UajbcNjMofI

[Frank Dux]

The owner of four pit bulls that killed a woman jogger in a gruesome mauling was charged with murder Thursday …

Sounds fair enough.

[703 Spurz]

The owner of four pit bulls that killed a woman jogger in a gruesome mauling was charged with murder Thursday …
Alex Jackson, 29, was charged after DNA tests on his dogs found blood on their muzzles and coats that matched that of Pamela Devitt, 63, who died after being bitten 150 to 200 times by his four pit bulls…

But But But Its how you raise them...:dramaquee


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/murder-charged-calif-dog-pack-mauling-death-19289452#.UajbcNjMofI

Why did the husband say this then?


Her husband told KCAL-TV he blamed the dogs' owner for what happened.

"I do not blame the dogs. I don't blame pit bulls," Ben Devitt said. "I blame people who don't take responsibility for their animals."

[703 Spurz]

Today's mauling:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/28/17504438-georgia-toddler-mauled-to-death-by-familys-pack-of-dogs?lite

Georgia toddler mauled to death by family's pack of dogs
By Elizabeth Chuck, Staff Writer, NBC News

A toddler was mauled to death after her family didn't notice she had gotten out of the house, and seven of their nine dogs attacked her in the backyard, Georgia authorities said.
Monica Renee Laminack, just 21 months old, crawled through the doggie door of her family's Ellabell, Ga., home on Wednesday evening and managed to slip out into the backyard, Debra Odom, Bryan County sheriff's office administrative secretary, said.
That's when the family's pet dogs — all pit bulls or pit bull mixes, according to Odom — seized on her.
"They started attacking the child, mauled her, drug her all over the yard, took her clothes off, scattered her clothes," Bryan County Sheriff Clyde Smith said in a news conference Thursday.

Emergency personnel arrived on the scene to find the girl covered in bite marks and were unable to revive her, reported WTOC.com in Georgia (http://www.wtoc.com/story/21812748/2-year-old-girl-killed-by-seven-pit-bulls-in-ellabell).
“When we got here and spoke to EMS, they told us that when they got here, she was already cold. There was nothing they could do,” Bryan County Deputy Sheriff James Beatty told The Savannah Morning News (http://savannahnow.com/news/2013-03-28/dogs-attack-and-kill-bryan-county-toddler#.UVQwIhyG0uc).
Five people were home at around 6 p.m. when the mauling happened, according to WTOC.com, including Monica's 12-year-old brother, who was assigned to watch her, and their grandmother.
The grandmother, who was not identified, reportedly woke up to hear the dogs barking; she looked out her window and yelled "They are killing Monica!", reported WTOC.com.
Bryan County Animal Control euthanized all seven of the dogs involved. An Irish settler and beagle that the family owned were spared, Odum said, adding authorities had never been responded to calls at the home before this.
An autopsy was being conducted on Thursday. No charges have been filed yet.
"It's still under investigation right now," Odum said.
It's unclear why the dogs became aggressive with the toddler, who would have turned 2 years old in June.
“She habitually played with dogs, all of them. But they drug her all over the yard. Something turned them on her. We don’t know what,” Smith said, reported The Savannah Morning News.

9 god damn dogs?

[FlaSpursFan]

My neighbor just demanded that I keep my dog on a leash when I let her outside today lol. My property is fenced, the gate stays closed, and when she is outside I am outside. Yet this ass hat decides to demand that I keep her on a leash and told me that he would shoot her if she ever got out. He kept on telling me about all these pits that maul people and shit. Its not like my dog is intimidating or anything, she is just a 120 pound baby, it shouldnt matter that she is a pit mix.

[Trill Clinton]

i think i posted a pic of me and my rednose in this thread. pits are what you make em. she was the sweetest dog on the block at the time.

[Darth_Pelican]

Police: Girl was watching TV when dog attacked

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Posted on March 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM
Updated today at 11:06 AM


Four-year-old Mia DeRouen was watching television with her mother Tuesday in their Houma apartment when the family pit bull attacked, police said.



The dog, which was later gunned down by police, was a 2-year-old pit bull named Niko who hadn't previously shown signs of aggression, police said. There is no evidence the dog had been abused or trained to fight.
DeRouen and her mother, Megan Touchet, 27, were each mauled by the 130-pound dog, sustaining injuries to their upper torsos, necks and faces. Touchet was attacked while trying to rescue the girl, police said.
DeRouen died at Terrebonne General Medical Center. She would have turned 5 on April 3. Touchet was treated and released.
Sudden attacks are a hallmark of pit bulls, said Colleen Lynn, founder and president of DogsBite.org, a nonprofit group that raises awareness about dangerous dogs, focusing particularly on pit bulls.
"Unlike other dog breeds, pit bulls will attack without warning signals. It will always look like the attack is sudden. One minute it's on your lap, the next minute it's attacking you. It's unusual for most dog breeds to attack their owners, but pit bulls have a history of that in spades," she said.
Niko was likely an American Bully, a breed specifically designed for its weight and aggression, Lynn said.
"When these dogs bite, it's a hold-and-shake bite style. When they start an attack, it's virtually impossible to get them to stop," she said.
It took 12 shots to kill the dog, which remained aggressive after officers arrived, Houma Police Chief Todd Duplantis said.
"This was a very large dog. A monster," Duplantis said in a Wednesday afternoon news conference held at police headquarters. At 130 pounds, the dog was about four times larger than DeRouen.
A second pit bull in the apartment, a 6-month-old female, did not attack, police said. That dog was taken to the Terrebonne Animal Shelter, where it remained this morning.
It's not clear yet if criminal charges will result, the chief said, but detectives have consulted with prosecutors.
DeRouen lived with her mother at Houma Highlands, 461 S. Hollywood Road. Her father, Christifer J. DeRouen, lives in New Iberia.
Visitation for Mia DeRouen is 4-9 p.m. Friday and 7 a.m. to funeral time Saturday at Pellerin Funeral Home in New Iberia. The funeral is at 10 a.m. Saturday at Our Lady of Prompt Succor Catholic Church in Coteau.
Officers on the scene, who described it as "horrific," were offered counseling, Duplantis said.
An online effort to raise money for the girl's funeral had collected nearly $29,000 in less than 24 hours. Donations can be made at www.gofundme.com/7tmy5k (http://www.gofundme.com/7tmy5k).

[TheSanityAnnex]

Tragic story but :lol @ a 130 lb American Pit Bull Terrier. I'm guessing Presa Canario or Cane Corso.

[xmas1997]

This wll keep happening until they ban the breed.

[SnakeBoy]

Tragic story but :lol @ a 130 lb American Pit Bull Terrier. I'm guessing Presa Canario or Cane Corso.

Yep anything over around 70lbs is a mix or different breed entirely.

[Gummi Clutch]

This wll keep happening until they ban the breed.
qft tbh

[Two10Whitey]

A Pitbull got hit by a bottle here in San Antonio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Msfq0a1TNY

[CubanSucks]

This wll keep happening until they ban the breed.

:lol brilliant

[DarrinS]

http://m.msnewsnow.com/#!/newsDetail/25123147?orgId=119

http://www.inquisitr.com/1196210/pit-bulls-attack-and-kill-an-elderly-woman-inside-her-home/

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/01/pit-bull-mauls-texas-toddler-and-her-mother

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594529/Tragedy-boy-3-mauled-death-two-family-pit-bulls-despite-mothers-desperate-attempts-save-him.html

[The Gemini Method]

Maybe I can get that wolverine I've always wanted...since, you know, the pit bull terrier is merkin' peeps.

[SnakeBoy]

Damn, another pit bull gets loose and attacks children


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BZt6QKhkg4

[koriwhat]

lol

[xmas1997]

Yup, still happening.
And putting the owners up on murder charges is a step in the right direction IMHO.
But until they ban the breed too, it will keep happening.
No dog breed has this much bad history surrounding it.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Cesar Milan just had a great special on the American Pit Bull Terrier. Well worth the watch.

[Big Empty]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/4-year-old-mauled-death-pit-bulls-florida-officials-article-1.1874267
(http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/4-year-old-mauled-death-pit-bulls-florida-officials-article-1.1874267)

4-year-old boy mauled to death by pit bulls in Florida: officialsThe tyke was visiting the Riverview home of his aunt and uncle when he was left alone. The adults heard screaming and then found the boy in the front yard with the dogs standing over him, police said.the associated press
Monday, July 21, 2014, 2:45 AM


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RIVERVIEW, Fla. — A 4-year-old boy in the Tampa Bay area has died after being mauled by his uncle’s two pit bulls, authorities said Sunday.
Logan Shepard was visiting the Riverview home of his aunt and uncle with his mother Saturday night. Billy Frederick Sr., Logan’s uncle, put the dogs in crates just before the boy arrived, said the Hillsborough County sheriff’s office.
Logan was left alone, eating ice cream, while his mother, a teen cousin and the other adults were talking in another room. The adults heard screaming and discovered the boy was not in the house, police said. Logan was found in the front yard with the dogs standing over him.
The dogs were taken by the county’s Animal Services



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/4-year-old-mauled-death-pit-bulls-florida-officials-article-1.1874267#ixzz38FeNPVCT

[Big Empty]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/infant-mauled-death-grandmother-pit-bull-article-1.1874961

Infant mauled to death by grandmother’s pit bull: policeThe dog, blamed for the death of a 7-month-old boy, was described by family members outside the Dayton, Ohio, home as usually quite pleasant, but one woman claims the same dog attacked her beagle in June.BY Nina Golgowski (http://www.spurstalk.com/authors?author=Nina Golgowski)
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http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1874956.1405976276!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/pitbull22n-5-web.jpg WKEF A pit bull is seen removed from a Dayton, Ohio, home after a 7-month-old boy was mauled to death by the dog, according to police.
An Ohio woman was babysitting her 7-month-old grandson when she says her pit bull lunged and killed the infant seconds after she took her eyes off the child.
The horrified grandmother scooped up the lifeless baby boy and hysterically ran next door, begging for someone to call 911 moments after the Sunday afternoon attack, according to a responding neighbor's frantic 911 call.
"She just knocked on my door, banging on my door. She had a baby in her hand and the baby's not breathing. I need you to get here now," the unidentified male caller urged a Dayton 911 dispatch officer, WDTN reported. (http://wdtn.com/2014/07/20/baby-dead-after-being-attacked-by-dog/)
The dog, seen taken away by animal control officers, was described by grief-stricken family members at the scene as usually quite pleasant.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1874960.1405976282!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/pitbull22n-2-web.jpg WDTN The dog's owner told police that she was babysitting the child when the dog suddenly attacked. Multiple family members were seen reacting to the child's death outside the home on Sunday.
But one woman claims that this wasn't the first time the dog has attacked.
Fellow dog owner Isabelle Crickmore told ABC22 (http://www.abc22now.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/wkef_vid_21290.shtml)that the same dog bit her beagle while they were taking a walk on June 3.
"She had three lacerations, 11 staples," Crickmore said while providing photos showing her dog's resulting scars.

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http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/2014/July/22/pitbull_attack-22Jul14.html



Pit bull attacks three family members



TOWN OF WALLKILL – A family pit bull that was sitting on a bed in a family’s residence at 124 Bellvernon Avenue in the Town of Wallkill, attacked three members including an eight-year-old girl late Sunday afternoon.
Family members told Wallkill Police they were sitting on the bed petting the animal when the three-year-old dog bit Janese Jones, 8, in the face. When Rosalind King, 57, and Darren Gardner, 55, who were both there, tried to stop the attack, the dog turned on them as well.
Janese and Rosalind were able to be removed from the house through a window, but Gardner was trapped inside.
Officers used a Taser, a ballistic shield and a catch pole to restrain the dog so that Gardner could be removed from the home.
The dog died a short time later. Its remains will be tested for diseases.
Janese was treated at Orange Regional Medical Center for a bite to her face. King was treated for bites to her hands and arms. Gardner was treated for bites to his arms and torso.

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http://www.semissourian.com/story/2102113.html



Man charged after pit bull attacks 7-year-old girl
Sunday, July 20, 2014
By Emily Priddy ~ Southeast Missourian
A Perryville, Missouri, man is facing a criminal charge after his dog mauled a young neighbor, Perry County Sheriff Gary Schaaf said Friday.
A pit bull owned by Christopher Gaulding, 26, of Perryville attacked a 7-year-old girl who came into Gaulding's yard July 9, Schaaf said.
"It chewed this little girl's arm up pretty good," he said.
Because the dog bit another child about a year ago, authorities charged Gaulding with a misdemeanor, Schaaf said.
The dog was on a chain in its yard when it attacked the little girl, Schaaf said.
He said a woman two doors down heard what was going on and called her husband, who came after the dog with a broomstick, Schaaf said.
The dog was standing over the child, but when the man approached with the broomstick, it charged after him, giving the girl a chance to roll to safety, Schaaf said.
"We've taken the dog," he said. "We've got it sequestered and given [Gaulding] notice he's got 10 days to appeal us putting him down."
Under state law, if a dog that previously has bitten a person or domestic animal without provocation subsequently bites another person, the owner can be charged with a crime.
The law also calls for the dog to be seized and held for 10 days before being destroyed.
If the owner appeals within the 10-day period, the dog remains impounded while the appeal is pending, the law states, with a disposition hearing to be held within 30 days to determine whether the dog should be put down.
The law does not apply to dogs that attack would-be criminals, such as a burglar breaking into a home.
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Poor child!
-- Posted by Spinning on Sat, Jul 19, 2014, at 12:04 PM

What do you mean poor child? More like idiot parents. The dog was on a chain in the owners yard. Now his dog is probably being put down because some irresponsible parents are incapable of properly monitoring their child. Some dogs are territorial. It's the other parties fault. If this had been a grown man trespassing (yes, that's what it was, even for being a small child), don't you think this story would have a different tone? Yeah, it does suck for the child, but this is not the fault of the dogs owner if he has the dog properly restrained.
-- Posted by Yale5683 on Sat, Jul 19, 2014, at 8:46 PM

http://www.semissourian.com/media/11/06/37/1106377-T.jpg It is a tragedy that the girl was hurt, but the dog was on a chain. It isn't right to put the dog down for defending his territory. The owner should have to pay the girl's medical bills and place the dog in a totally enclosed, padlocked kennel where he can't get out unless the owner lets him out.
-- Posted by RELee on Sun, Jul 20, 2014, at 1:46 AM

The parents of the child should be charged with neglect. If they had been supervising the child this never would have happened. The owner had the dog on a chain on his own property for goodness sakes.
-- Posted by laura63701 on Sun, Jul 20, 2014, at 9:22 AM

Regardless of whether the parents were negligent or not it is sad that a child is hurt. That is what I meant by that statement. I'm not blaming the owner nor the parents. Good Grief!
-- Posted by Spinning on Sun, Jul 20, 2014, at 9:30 AM





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http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/woman-dies-in-pitbull-attack-1.1722205
Woman dies in pitbull attackJuly 18 2014 at 04:11pm
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East London - A woman has been killed by pitbulls in Baysville, East London, Eastern Cape police said on Friday.
The incident happened at 11.30pm on Thursday, said Captain Stephen Marais.
The woman was walking on a road behind some friends when she was attacked.
“At this point in time, it cannot be confirmed how many dogs attacked her as there were two full grown and two small pitbulls in the yard,” he said.
The 45-year-old woman was declared dead on the scene.
The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA) was called in to remove the dogs.
Police have opened an inquest docket.
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[benefactor]

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[roninenix]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/4-year-old-mauled-death-pit-bulls-florida-officials-article-1.1874267
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4-year-old boy mauled to death by pit bulls in Florida: officials

The tyke was visiting the Riverview home of his aunt and uncle when he was left alone. The adults heard screaming and then found the boy in the front yard with the dogs standing over him, police said.

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http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1874264.1405924677!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/logan-shepard.jpg Facebook Four-year-old Logan Shepard died after being mauled by two pit bulls while visiting his uncle in the Tampa Bay area, police said.
RIVERVIEW, Fla. — A 4-year-old boy in the Tampa Bay area has died after being mauled by his uncle’s two pit bulls, authorities said Sunday.
Logan Shepard was visiting the Riverview home of his aunt and uncle with his mother Saturday night. Billy Frederick Sr., Logan’s uncle, put the dogs in crates just before the boy arrived, said the Hillsborough County sheriff’s office.
Logan was left alone, eating ice cream, while his mother, a teen cousin and the other adults were talking in another room. The adults heard screaming and discovered the boy was not in the house, police said. Logan was found in the front yard with the dogs standing over him.
The dogs were taken by the county’s Animal Services



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Cute kid. Doesn't matter whose fault it is in this case, just hate to see stuff like this happen to an innocent kid with his whole life ahead of him.

[Franklin]

Florida again...

[boutons_deux]

10 dogs most often blacklisted by insurers

http://www.bankrate.com/lite/insurance/dogs-most-often-blacklisted-by-insurers-1.aspx?ic_id=tb_11051

[Bender]

^---- I can see the point regarding most of those breeds... except for Great Danes, very nice and friendly in my experience.

[pawe]

Can't wait for the day this breed gets banned.

[Darth_Pelican]

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Woman Arrested For Biting Off Pit Bull’s Testicles


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MADISON, West Virginia –
Witnesses told police this week that they pleaded with Boone county resident, Audrey Ranch, 62, to stop hurting her son’s pit bull, but she refused.
“Eventually she bit Pedro’s acorns clean off right there in the front yard,” a witness said. “Pedro hightailed it screeching like a wild Indian and when I tried to subdue Audrey, she knocked me out with an old tricycle.”
Realizing the police had been called and knowing she had time to hide (it is a 45 minute drive to her house), Mrs. Ranch cut off a length of garden hose, dug a hole and had her son help bury her. She used the garden hose as a breathing apparatus.
Officers from the Boone County Sheriff’s Office arrived, unburied Ranch and arrested her without incident.
Ranch explained her actions to police: “My son ate all the meat and I had warned him if he ate all the meat, I’d eat his dog.”
The dog underwent emergency surgery and is expected to make a full recovery. Ranch is facing charges of aggravated animal cruelty.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:cry Can't wait for the day this breed gets banned. :cry

I just had to put to dogs down in less than a month. Blue nose pit who was paralyzed and a toy fox terrier who had failing kidneys and a tumor on her stomach. Rescued two beautiful pits this weekend 6 months old and 3 months old. This will be pit 4 and 5 for me. Best breed I've ever owned. First one was a therapy dog. I'd show you pictures but I don't want to scare you.

[cantthinkofanything]

I just had to put to dogs down in less than a month. Blue nose pit who was paralyzed and a toy fox terrier who had failing kidneys and a tumor on her stomach. Rescued two beautiful pits this weekend 6 months old and 3 months old. This will be pit 4 and 5 for me. Best breed I've ever owned. First one was a therapy dog. I'd show you pictures but I don't want to scare you.

Sorry to hear that. It's tough. And 2 so close together. I have a 16 year old mixed breed (dog Avante) that is not doing well. Going to have to make a decision soon I fear.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Sorry to hear that. It's tough. And 2 so close together. I have a 16 year old mixed breed (dog Avante) that is not doing well. Going to have to make a decision soon I fear.
The toy fox lived a long life of 12 years, blind for 5 so that was a bit easier. The blue nose was only 6 years old so that was really tough. Came home one day and his back legs were paralyzed. Kept him caged confined for a month and a half, vet said it could get better and the growth on his spine only got worse. He was in too much pain to keep him living. Fucking sucked.

[cantthinkofanything]

The toy fox lived a long life of 12 years, blind for 5 so that was a bit easier. The blue nose was only 6 years old so that was really tough. Came home one day and his back legs were paralyzed. Kept him caged confined for a month and a half, vet said it could get better and the growth on his spine only got worse. He was in too much pain to keep him living. Fucking sucked.

That's terrible. Not knowing if he'll get better or not. Playing God to a certain extent. I always try to put myself in their place. Ours has arthritis and some days it's very bad. Had a friend say that we should put her down. I just kept thinking that with something that comes and goes, I'd want to deal with the pain and live for the good days. But you had a way different situation. I've been lucky that my last one passed away at 18 in her sleep. Nothing in the world like a great dog but losing them is like losing family. Anyway, glad you found some new buds.

[DJR210]

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My future mauler, dreaming about all the throats he's gonna tear out

[SnakeBoy]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/20150521_001136_zpslfzrtdpp.jpg

My future mauler, dreaming about all the throats he's gonna tear out

Nice pup. I'd love to own a pit again but with 3 rescue dogs and two Irish Wolfhounds on the way the house is full.

[Malik Hairston]

I have yet to meet a pitbull that wasn't a people person, even to an annoying extent, tbh..great dogs, generally speaking..of course there are the ghetto trash/White trash that make them unable to tolerate other dogs(which they're prone to if unsocialized IIRC), but you can find that with a large number of other breeds, too, not just pitties..

My dog was bred poorly, they only focused on aesthetics(he's one of the best looking dogs I have ever seen), unfortunately, and despite socializing him throughout his younger years, he's still extremely protective, fear aggressive and bad with strangers..his breed(King Shepherd/German Shepherd) does have a reputation for it, but pitbulls are much more scrutinized for aggressive behavior, for whatever reason..

I understand the fear, it's one thing for a little dog to go at you, but my dog is 120 pounds of mostly muscle and almost the same height and length as a Great Dane, if he even nips a stranger and isn't at fault, I would probably have to euthanize him immediately, sadly..

[DJR210]

Nice pup. I'd love to own a pit again but with 3 rescue dogs and two Irish Wolfhounds on the way the house is full.

Thanks. Yeah, too many dogs for me to deal with. This puppy has been enough dealing w/ de-worming, house training and keeping his area clean. Combined w/ the kids I'd kill myself. On the positive, this dog is pretty eager for training. He's pretty much completely house trained and knows about 5 words already.


I have yet to meet a pitbull that wasn't a people person, even to an annoying extent, tbh..great dogs, generally speaking..of course there are the ghetto trash/White trash that make them unable to tolerate other dogs(which they're prone to if unsocialized IIRC), but you can find that with a large number of other breeds, too, not just pitties..

Agreed. IMO fucking chihuahuas are way more aggressive and mean. Almost every chihuahua any of my friends and family have owned are highly territorial, overly possessive of their owners, and I've been bitten more times by a fucking chihuahua than any other dog.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/20150521_001136_zpslfzrtdpp.jpg

My future mauler, dreaming about all the throats he's gonna tear out

Beautiful pup. Blues tend to have a lot of skin problems. I spent over a thousand on mine doing blood/skin work to find out what he was allergic to and then changed foods/tons of meds/gave him injections twice a day and nothing worked well. They finally tried out this new drug called Apoquel and that shit is amazing. It's worked so well they aren't putting new dogs on it because they are backordered for a year. If you ever have any problems with his skin fuck all the treatments they recommend and just get Apoquel. A dollar a pill and it cures all, mine only needed a half pill a day.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's terrible. Not knowing if he'll get better or not. Playing God to a certain extent. I always try to put myself in their place. Ours has arthritis and some days it's very bad. Had a friend say that we should put her down. I just kept thinking that with something that comes and goes, I'd want to deal with the pain and live for the good days. But you had a way different situation. I've been lucky that my last one passed away at 18 in her sleep. Nothing in the world like a great dog but losing them is like losing family. Anyway, glad you found some new buds.
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Severely allergic to potatoes so he had his first French fries for his last meal.
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His favorite thing to do was riding in the car so he dragged himself all the way outside and got ready to go to the vet to be put down. They were nice enough to do the sedation while he was still in the car so his last memories were at least happy.
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He went first and the toy fox terrier shortly after so I buried his ashes with her body. Wasn't digging a grave for his big ass.
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Hewitt and Caymus paying their respect at the gravesite
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Best buds after day 2 together
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[Malik Hairston]

Beautiful pup. Blues tend to have a lot of skin problems. I spent over a thousand on mine doing blood/skin work to find out what he was allergic to and then changed foods/tons of meds/gave him injections twice a day and nothing worked well. They finally tried out this new drug called Apoquel and that shit is amazing. It's worked so well they aren't putting new dogs on it because they are backordered for a year. If you ever have any problems with his skin fuck all the treatments they recommend and just get Apoquel. A dollar a pill and it cures all, mine only needed a half pill a day.

My Shepherd has allergies, as well, they don't disturb him from a health perspective, but he used to have severe itching problems whenever Winter ended..severe, he would regularly scratch himself intensely a few times per hour..we tried many trial diets, had him on Vanectyl P for a while, ultimately put him on a hypoallergenic diet, which as worked, fortunately..my girlfriend used to be a Vet Tech, thankfully, she would get everything at cost + half, saved thousands of dollars:lol..

[Malik Hairston]

Thanks. Yeah, too many dogs for me to deal with. This puppy has been enough dealing w/ de-worming, house training and keeping his area clean. Combined w/ the kids I'd kill myself. On the positive, this dog is pretty eager for training. He's pretty much completely house trained and knows about 5 words already.



Agreed. IMO fucking chihuahuas are way more aggressive and mean. Almost every chihuahua any of my friends and family have owned are highly territorial, overly possessive of their owners, and I've been bitten more times by a fucking chihuahua than any other dog.

Yep..my girl has told me that, as well, that Chihuahuas are the most aggressive breeds she has dealt with at work over the years, one of them even bit through her thumb nail IIRC..

They aren't anywhere near as bad as cats(vicious animals), but most of the aggressive dogs she deals with at work are small breeds..

[TheSanityAnnex]

My Shepherd has allergies, as well, they don't disturb him from a health perspective, but he used to have severe itching problems whenever Winter ended..severe, he would regularly scratch himself intensely a few times per hour..we tried many trial diets, had him on Vanectyl P for a while, ultimately put him on a hypoallergenic diet, which as worked, fortunately..my girlfriend used to be a Vet Tech, thankfully, she would get everything at cost + half, saved thousands of dollars:lol..

His would get so bad he'd scratch off all the hair on his ass and he'd scratch his stomach so much his nipples looked like he'd just given birth to a litter of puppies. When I was home I'd put a tshirt on him or wrap him in a sheet but when I'd leave he'd just go to town on himself. That pill I got him on worked wonders. I've got the vet keeping him "alive" right now in the system so if I ever need it again I won't have to go on a waiting list :lol

[DJR210]

Beautiful pup. Blues tend to have a lot of skin problems. I spent over a thousand on mine doing blood/skin work to find out what he was allergic to and then changed foods/tons of meds/gave him injections twice a day and nothing worked well. They finally tried out this new drug called Apoquel and that shit is amazing. It's worked so well they aren't putting new dogs on it because they are backordered for a year. If you ever have any problems with his skin fuck all the treatments they recommend and just get Apoquel. A dollar a pill and it cures all, mine only needed a half pill a day.

Yeah, he had some minor irritation after I got him because I was giving him daily flea baths to make sure he was clean.. He started losing some spots of fur where he was chewing, so I used a combination of Sulfodene, and coated the areas with Eucerin.. his fur was back within a week, and he no longer has the flakes in his fur from the dry skin.

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll keep that in mind because his father's coat/skin looks like shit, but he's always outside and not really maintained like the favorite dog they have over there.

[DJR210]

Yep..my girl has told me that, as well, that Chihuahuas are the most aggressive breeds she has dealt with at work over the years, one of them even bit through her thumb nail IIRC..

They aren't anywhere near as bad as cats(vicious animals), but most of the aggressive dogs she deals with at work are small breeds..

Every time I visit my Dad, I get sneak attacked by a fucking gang of those little bastards.. they try and act cool when you walk up, but the minute my backs to them those faggots come straight for my shoes and ankles.. When he's not around I've put my foot under them and launched those fuckers.

[DJR210]

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/hend9_zpsof6qqci9.jpg
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Badass :tu.. The red nose is gonna be the shit when he's grown.