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Clandestino
04-27-2005, 12:23 PM
A380 Set for Maiden Flight Before 50,000

Tue Apr 26, 2:04 PM ET Business - AP


By LAURENCE FROST, AP Business Writer

BLAGNAC, France - After 11 years of preparation and $13 billion in spending, the world's largest passenger plane, the Airbus A380, is scheduled to fly for the first time on Wednesday.

Weather permitting, Airbus test pilots will power the four engines on a test model of the 555-seat "superjumbo" to lift its 308-ton frame aloft. About 50,000 onlookers are expected for what some are calling the biggest aviation event since Concorde's first flight in 1969.

The first A380 flight is tentatively set to begin around midmorning and could last for much of the day as the plane circles the region, beaming back real-time measurements of 150,000 parameters to Airbus headquarters from its 20 metric tons (22 tons) of on-board test instruments.

Industry analysts are keeping a close watch on Airbus, which hopes to woo customers away from rival Boeing Co. with the A380 but has yet to prove that it can turn a profit on its superjumbo investment, a third of which came from came from European governments.

As Airbus and Boeing spar over what each calls unfair government subsidies for the other, the rival aircraft manufacturers have staked their success on competing visions of the future of commercial air travel.

The A380, with a catalogue price of $282 million, represents a huge bet that international airlines will need bigger aircraft to transport passengers between ever-busier hub airports. But some analysts say signs of a boom in the market for smaller wide-body planes, such as Boeing's long-range 787 "Dreamliner," show that Airbus was wrong to focus so much time and money on its superjumbo.

Just this week, Air Canada said it had firm orders for 32 new Boeing jets, including 14 787s, with a list value of about $6 billion, and Air India announced plans to order 50 Boeing jets worth $6.8 billion. Air India wants 27 of the 787s, which will carry up to 257 passengers and have a list price of $120 million, boosting total orders and commitments for the plane to 237. The 787, which was launched a year ago, is scheduled to enter service in 2008.

"If the A380 costs Airbus the mid-market then it's the biggest misinvestment in aerospace history since Concorde," said Richard Aboulafia of the U.S. consultancy Teal Group. "The way the market's changing makes this look more like a science fair project every day."


Airbus, a unit of European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., is also planning to bring its own mid-sized jetliner, the A350, into service in 2010 — two years after the Boeing 787, but the United States government is demanding that no European government launch aid be extended for the A350.


So far, Airbus has booked 154 orders for the A380, which it says will carry passengers 5 percent farther than Boeing's longest-range 747 jumbo at a per-passenger cost up to one-fifth below its rival's.


While plane enthusiasts have lined fences in recent days at the airport in the Toulouse suburb of Blagnac, where Airbus is headquartered, Airbus has warned that the first flight of the A380 — already about a month behind schedule — could be further delayed by any unforeseen weather conditions.


A strong southerly wind from the Mediterranean would mean automatic postponement, since it would require a takeoff over the town — considered too risky for a test flight.


Aviation experts say risks remain very slim on the maiden test flight since a plane's aerodynamic characteristics are already well known before it takes off, thanks to years of computer modeling and wind-tunnel tests.


Problems are more likely, but still very rare, later in the test-flight program, when the pilots deliberately take the plane to its limits. An Airbus A330 prototype crashed here in July 1994, killing chief test pilot Nick Warner and six others as they conducted a simulated engine failure exercise.


Airbus chief test pilot Jacques Rosay, flight captain Claude Lelaie and four fellow crew members will take no chances. They will wear parachutes during the first flight, in accordance with Airbus policy. A handrail leads from the cockpit to an escape door that can be jettisoned if the pilots lose control of the plane.


The test-flight program is likely to finish soon before the A380 enters service for Singapore Airlines in mid-2006, Airbus said — about three months behind the previous schedule.


Part of the delay is down to the superjumbo's struggle with a weight problem that consumed months of engineering time and most of the program's $1.88 billion in cost overruns. Competitive pressure on airlines to offer plusher business-class seating tightened the squeeze — compounded by the A380's sheer scale.




IMO, a failure. Many airports aren't equipped to have the plane land at their place and most have said they will not spend the millions/billions it takes allow this plane to land. On a smaller problem, it takes forever trying to load 200-300 passengers, how are they going to load 800!!! The process alone will take 1-2 hours!

Phenomanul
04-27-2005, 12:26 PM
Multiple loading gates, one for the top section, and one for the bottom section....

Clandestino
04-27-2005, 12:27 PM
Multiple loading gates, one for the top section, and one for the bottom section....

400 on top and 400 on bottom will still take a long time. it is still 800 people with 800 sets of luggage...

exstatic
04-27-2005, 12:35 PM
Its' easier to retro fit gates to load more passengers at once than it is to expand airports with more gates for more, smaller planes. This is the direction things are headed. You use one gate at the departing airport, one gate at the arriving airport, one pilot, one co-pilot and some extra crew, one air traffic controller and you transport essentially two flight's worth of people.

MannyIsGod
04-27-2005, 12:36 PM
If it saves money, it will be a success regardless of the time it takes to load passengers.

Phenomanul
04-27-2005, 12:41 PM
400 on top and 400 on bottom will still take a long time. it is still 800 people with 800 sets of luggage...

555 people... 278 on top, 277 on the bottom...

samikeyp
04-27-2005, 12:43 PM
If it has 555 seats...how will it seat 800? Must be realll cozy! :lol

Clandestino
04-27-2005, 01:43 PM
Only 4 U.S. airports pursuing plans to land superjumbo A380

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Feb/13/bz/bz16a.html

Aggie Hoopsfan
04-27-2005, 10:47 PM
If they can't land in the big US business markets, it'll be a failure.

scott
04-27-2005, 11:35 PM
I tend to argree more with Boeing's strategic plan in thinking that air travel will continue to drift towards smaller planes and more direct routes rather than the super-hub and super-plane set up that AirBus seems subscribe to.

If the Boeing 7E7 can make just about every flight the A380 can, customers will chose the convience of fewer or no stops versus travelling to one of the 4 hubs that will handle the A380.

With that said, I'd love to ride in an A380, just for the experience. Once would be enough though.