Brown wins Massachusetts Special Election

[Spursmania]

53%-46% for Brown. AP is now predicting a Brown win.

[Spursmania]

Is healthcare and cap and trade dead?

[possessed]

Is healthcare and cap and trade dead?

Yes.

Thankfully.

The implosion of the Democrats continues... :corn:

[Yonivore]

Is healthcare and cap and trade dead?
God, I hope so.

Expect big gains in the market tomorrow...particularly with health care related stocks.

[Spursmania]

God, I hope so.

Expect big gains in the market tomorrow...particularly with health care related stocks.

I bought some more healthcare stocks yesterday:lol:toast

[EmptyMan]

I would not get too confident about health care not passing.

This is the land of politicians and lawyers.

[TheProfessor]

Is healthcare and cap and trade dead?
Cap and trade was already dead. I don't think you can engrave healthcare's tombstone quite yet, though Democrats proceed at their own peril if it isn't overhauled.

[spursncowboys]

i would not get too confident about health care not passing.

This is the land of politicians and lawyers.
+1

[Spursmania]

I would not get too confident about health care not passing.

This is the land of politicians and lawyers.

You're right. They will ram something down our throats, I'm sure. There is no indication Obama will change course. But it will be interesting to watch and play the market.

[da_suns_fan]

Thank god.

Way to go Brown!!

[jack sommerset]

I predict...................Far left is dead!

[jack sommerset]

:toast Thank goodness!

:toast

[Marcus Bryant]

Ted Kennedy replaced by a Republican in the United States Senate. Now that's some "change" you can actually believe in. FTL.

[Spursmania]

This is a historical moment in politics. It is a tremendous shift in Massachusetts. The implications are huge.

To all Americans, some Dems, Moderates, Independents and Republicans and Teabaggers who helped reverse the course of history. Thank you!

[Yonivore]

Let's hope the Democrats continue their idiocy and try to delay Brown being seated.

[Spursmania]

This is a book waiting to be written.

[Crookshanks]

This is a historical moment in politics. It is a tremendous shift in Massachusetts. The implications are huge.

To all Americans, some Dems, Moderates, Independents and Republicans and Teabaggers who helped reverse the course of history. Thank you!

+1,000 :clap :tu :toast


To the dems: :yield

[jack sommerset]

Talk about Ironic.. Kennedy's Health care will probably die by Kennedy's own senate seat!

Can u say "Chappaquiddick"

[Nbadan]

pfff......41 to 59 Scoreboard!

[jack sommerset]

Coakley looks like a middle age Pelosi.

[Nbadan]

What filibuster, the Dem super-majority was a myth anyway because they don't vote lock-arm with lobbyist and special interest the way the GOP does...

[baseline bum]

God, I hope so.

Expect big gains in the market tomorrow...particularly with health care related stocks.

Are you crazy? Did you see the way health insurance stocks spiked the day Nelson gave the Democrats their 60th vote?

[jack sommerset]

She thanked the Kennedys and Clintons (dems royal family) but no Obama!!!!!!!!!!!! HUGE!!!!!

BLAME OBAMA, BLAME OBAMA, BLAME OBAMA!

[baseline bum]

Still, this is a positive for the country, as much as I can't stand the douchebag Republican party. This piece of shit health bill the Democrats were proposing would be a disaster for the nation.

[Marcus Bryant]

My God. If you can't win an election to replace Teddy Fucking Kennedy's seat after he dies with his cause de celebre on the line...ROFL.

[Spursmania]

My God. If you can't win an election to replace Teddy Fucking Kennedy's seat after he dies with his cause de celebre on the line...ROFL.

The irony is too much. If I was a better writer, I'd go down to Martha's vineyard for a few months and be the first to research and write a book about this. Oh well, in my next lifetime.

[Nbadan]

Still, this is a positive for the country, as much as I can't stand the douchebag Republican party. This piece of shit health bill the Democrats were proposing would be a disaster for the nation.

It'll still pass, because it is designed to do just that - pass...

[BRHornet45]

hahaha ... fuck your health care bill Obama

[Nbadan]

:rolleyes

How many seats did the GOP lose in 2006 and 2008?....all those seats were seats formerly held by Republicans.....

[Supergirl]

If you're wondering why this happened to the great Ted Kennedy's seat, it's because MA already has near-universal health care coverage, and people are afraid of the possibility of having to take a hit for the betterment of the nation. THAT is the real reason Brown won.

Never underestimate the power of human selfishness.

[Nbadan]

hahaha ... fuck your health care bill Obama

What does this have to do with the health-care bill? Brown is for Romney-care.....jezzz....inform yourself....

[Supergirl]

and actually, the terrible irony is that because Kennedy fought so hard for us here in MA, and helped get us health care coverage, people now take it for granted and can't see past their own fear to want the rest of the country to have it too.

[Spursmania]

I'm listening to MSNBC right now. Both Maddow and Mathews are saying the bill has to pass and the Dems have to do it through the reconciliation process or the Dem party will lose 50 seats come Fall.

Wow-I'm not sure their assessment is accurate. You'd have to have a lot of balls to try to pass this bill with even less support than what you had before this election took place. This will be interesting.:corn:


I'm going back to watch CNN and Fox to see what the political pundits have to say there.

[Nbadan]

If you're wondering why this happened to the great Ted Kennedy's seat, it's because MA already has near-universal health care coverage, and people are afraid of the possibility of having to take a hit for the betterment of the nation. THAT is the real reason Brown won.

Never underestimate the power of human selfishness.

Exactly, all those subsidized red-states aren't going to pay for their own citizens health-care...just like they won't pay for health-care for kids, the poor and expectant mothers...

[Crookshanks]

I actually switched from watching Fox News to watching MSNBC just because it's so much fun seeing the libtards have a meltdown. Right now Keith "Countdown to No Ratings" Olbermann is on a very distasteful rant. Can you say "sour grapes"? LOL

[Supergirl]

also, health care reform will still pass. Dems still have the largest majority since 1979. They'll just have to either rely on reconciliation, which requires only 50+ votes, or call the Repuglicans bluff and force them to waste taxpayers' money with a filibuster that will backfire on them.

[Marcus Bryant]

And the spin begins. As for "selfishness," comrade, fuck you. Stop being so greedy and give up all you own.

[Spursmania]

I love the rose colored glasses libs have on. Just keep wearing them as they look cute on you.

[Crookshanks]

also, health care reform will still pass. Dems still have the largest majority since 1979. They'll just have to either rely on reconciliation, which requires only 50+ votes, or call the Repuglicans bluff and force them to waste taxpayers' money with a filibuster that will backfire on them.

I'll make sure to bump this when healthcare reform dies a painful death. Moderate Democrats are peeing their pants right now, and it might be hard to get even 50 votes.

[Nbadan]

also, health care reform will still pass. Dems still have the largest majority since 1979. They'll just have to either rely on reconciliation, which requires only 50+ votes, or call the Repuglicans bluff and force them to waste taxpayers' money with a filibuster that will backfire on them.

They'll pass it before Brown has time to drop his pants for a Washington call-boy..

[Supergirl]

I'll make sure to bump this when healthcare reform dies a painful death. Moderate Democrats are peeing their pants right now, and it might be hard to get even 50 votes.

It won't.

[Spursmania]

I'll make sure to bump this when healthcare reform dies a painful death. Moderate Democrats are peeing their pants right now, and it might be hard to get even 50 votes.

Let them plunge to their own political death. I'm enjoying watching it:lol

[Nbadan]

I love the rose colored glasses libs have on. Just keep wearing them as they look cute on you.

...scoreboard 59 - 41.....

[Marcus Bryant]

Senator Webb's calling for a suspension of health care votes until Senator Brown is seated. Game over.

[baseline bum]

also, health care reform will still pass. Dems still have the largest majority since 1979. They'll just have to either rely on reconciliation, which requires only 50+ votes, or call the Repuglicans bluff and force them to waste taxpayers' money with a filibuster that will backfire on them.

Isn't Congress allowed to essentially pause a filibuster and move on to other issues with the filibuster technically still going on? Reconciliation is the Democrats only way to pass it. Hopefully it will push them to actually put some reform back into the bill now that they won't have to fellate losers like Lieberman, Landrieu, Nelson, and Baucus.

[Supergirl]

And the spin begins. As for "selfishness," comrade, fuck you. Stop being so greedy and give up all you own.

Actually, I would gladly take the higher premiums (if they come, and they've come every year, without health care reform) if that's the payoff to get health insurance for everyone in this country. I would gladly take the higher premiums if it means that health care companies can no longer deny people coverage because of pre-existing conditions. I would gladly take higher premiums if it means insurance companies have to have some limits to what they can charge patients and pay doctors a reasonable rate.

The problem is, most people in this country, and the people who watch Fox News and are depressingly easily manipulated, would not. That is what this loss is about. Fear. Republicans are frighteningly good at it. It's the only way they know how to win. When people are feeling good and confident and positive about each other, they vote Dem. When they are feeling fearful and insecure, they vote Repuglican, and then the Repuglicans rape them yet again. It's a little like an abusive relationship.

[baseline bum]

Actually, I would gladly take the higher premiums (if they come, and they've come every year, without health care reform) if that's the payoff to get health insurance for everyone in this country. I would gladly take the higher premiums if it means that health care companies can no longer deny people coverage because of pre-existing conditions. I would gladly take higher premiums if it means insurance companies have to have some limits to what they can charge patients and pay doctors a reasonable rate.

So you actually like the piece of shit the Senate has right now?

[Nbadan]

Senator Webb's calling for a suspension of health care votes until Senator Brown is seated. Game over.

Won't work...besides there is a rumor that the public option is now back on the table....if that's the price of a vote delay on Health-care reform then by all means delay further..

[Marcus Bryant]

You're free to pay whoever's insurance premium you would like.

[Spursmania]

I need to give Supergirl my address. Can you pay for my premiums too?

[TheProfessor]

My rose-colored contribution - Joe Lieberman is now irrelevant :tu

[baseline bum]

Won't work...besides there is a rumor that the public option is now back on the table....if that's the price of a vote delay on Health-care reform then by all means delay further..

Hope so. The current bill is worthless without it.

[Marcus Bryant]

Won't work...besides there is a rumor that the public option is now back on the table....if that's the price of a vote delay on Health-care reform then by all means delay further..

LOL. Get a clue. Who else wants to lose?

[Crookshanks]

Senator Kirk said he's done and will help make the transition go as smoothly and quickly as possible.

[Clandestino]

What were they chanting?

[Spursmania]

What were they chanting?

I was trying to figure it out but couldn't. Anyone else hearing Brown's victory speech?

[ElNono]

I think the message is pretty clear: The complete failure of this administration and Congress to deliver on their promises will not be tolerated. They had all the power and momentum after the presidential election to really legislate change, and instead they started doubting and delaying. Right now, Gitmo is still open, we're still fighting two wars, Healthcare is still status quo and unafforrdable, companies keep on handing out bonuses like they've never been bailed out. One year later this is still the same as dubya's policies.
I expect them to keep on losing ground as long as Pelosi and Co. keep on doubting and failing to deliver.

[Clandestino]

I was trying to figure it out but couldn't. Anyone else hearing Brown's victory speech?

It sounded something like "pants on the ground"

[TheProfessor]

LOL. Get a clue. Who else wants to lose?
It's a no-win situation. Continue to get mired in the current healthcare debate, you risk alienating independents. Fail to get healthcare through, and the base grows apathetic and doesn't turn out at midterms.

[baseline bum]

I think the message is pretty clear: The complete failure of this administration and Congress to deliver on their promises will not be tolerated. They had all the power and momentum after the presidential election to really legislate change, and instead they started doubting and delaying. Right now, Gitmo is still open, we're still fighting two wars, Healthcare is still status quo and unafforrdable, companies keep on handing out bonuses like they've never been bailed out. One year later this is still the same as dubya's policies.
I expect them to keep on losing ground as long as Pelosi and Co. keep on doubting and failing to deliver.

My feelings exactly.

[Nbadan]

Look, the Dems still have the largest majority in Congress since 1929....its time to force a filibuster by GOP senators on issues that matter to people like consumer predatory lending protections, real health-care reform, and ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan..

[Yonivore]

It's a no-win situation. Continue to get mired in the current healthcare debate, you risk alienating independents. Fail to get healthcare through, and the base grows apathetic and doesn't turn out at midterms.
It's gonna be comedy gold.

[Crookshanks]

I was trying to figure it out but couldn't. Anyone else hearing Brown's victory speech?
First they were chanting "41", but I couldn't make out the rest of it. Almost sounded like "take them down", but I can't be certain.

Scott sure is having fun now - it's so great to see him and his family so happy.

[Spursmania]

"Gas up the truck":lol

[Clandestino]

I'd take one of the two daughters!!!

[Crookshanks]

Ha Ha - he asked Obama if he wanted him to drive his truck to D.C. so Obama could see it. :lmao

[Crookshanks]

He's really ragging on Obama - he'd better watch out, the Chicago machine will be gunning for him. I bet Obama is really having a snit fit.

[baseline bum]

It's a no-win situation. Continue to get mired in the current healthcare debate, you risk alienating independents. Fail to get healthcare through, and the base grows apathetic and doesn't turn out at midterms.

Healthcare is the only thing the Democrats have left. If they don't get something done, they will have absolutely nothing to run on in the midterms. Blaming Bush isn't going to get the job done.

[possessed]

He's really ragging on Obama - he'd better watch out, the Chicago machine will be gunning for him. I bet Obama is really having a snit fit.

He'll be taking his frustrations out on the croquet course on the White House lawn tomorrow. You can take that to the bank.

[baseline bum]

He's really ragging on Obama - he'd better watch out, the Chicago machine will be gunning for him. I bet Obama is really having a snit fit.

What's he saying? Obama should be having a fit. He and the Democratic party have done it to themselves.

[Clandestino]

next presidential candidate...

[Nbadan]

What's he saying? Obama should be having a fit. He and the Democratic party have done it to themselves.

I'm not sure why you think Obama is to blame...this wasn't a referendum on Obama....it was a referendum on the Coakley campaign, the DNC and DLC leadership, and a candidate who ran on a populist campaign, when nothing could be further from the truth...

[Crookshanks]

What's he saying? Obama should be having a fit. He and the Democratic party have done it to themselves.

He's making fun of Obama making fun of his pick-up truck and he said the campaign ended with an emergency landing of Air Force One at Logan Airport. He also said he asked Obama if he wanted to play a game of basketball.

[baseline bum]

I'm not sure why you think Obama is to blame...this wasn't a referendum on Obama....it was a referendum on the Coakley campaign, the DNC and DLC leadership, and a candidate who ran on a populist campaign, when nothing could be further from the truth...

Obama is to blame because he's cheerleading for a piece of shit welfare to the insurance companies bill, which is the antithesis of the change he promised.

[Crookshanks]

I'm not sure why you think Obama is to blame...this wasn't a referendum on Obama....it was a referendum on the Coakley campaign, the DNC and DLC leadership, and a candidate who ran on a populist campaign, when nothing could be further from the truth...

:lmao Whatever helps you get thru the night...

[baseline bum]

He also said he asked Obama if he wanted to play a game of basketball.

:lol I'd pay to see that

[Spursmania]

next presidential candidate...
:corn:

[xrayzebra]

He's really ragging on Obama - he'd better watch out, the Chicago machine will be gunning for him. I bet Obama is really having a snit fit.


In the bathroom practicing his chin jut, like old Musillini, and then him and
TOTUS hold each other close and shed a few tears. And working on that
finger point thingy. He is so cute when does the chin jut and finger point
thingy together.

[Nbadan]

Obama is to blame because he's cheerleading for a piece of shit welfare to the insurance companies bill, which is the antithesis of the change he promised.

He's cheerleading health-care reform, something unthinkable just a few years ago...this bill is far from perfect, but most programs start far from perfect...with the GOP you'd get a bill completely written by health-care lobbyists...or no reform at all...

[Spursmania]

Rasmussen says the decisive factor in tonight's election according to the
polls was: Healthcare.

I think most of us not wearing rose colored glasses can believe that.

[Crookshanks]

He's cheerleading health-care reform, something unthinkable just a few years ago...this bill is far from perfect, but most programs start far from perfect...with the GOP you'd get a bill completely written by health-care lobbyists...or no reform at all...

It starts out far from perfect...and then goes down hill from there.

[Yonivore]

Wasn't it a liberal meme for decades? "Keep your laws off my body!"

[Crookshanks]

Wasn't it a liberal meme for decades? "Keep your laws off my body!"

Yeah - who would've thought our government would fine and jail its citizens for not buying health insurance? :nope

[coyotes_geek]

this bill is far from perfect, but most programs start far from perfect...

And invariably they end up much further away from perfection than from where they started.

[Nbadan]

Rasmussen says the decisive factor in tonight's election according to the
polls was: Healthcare.

I think most of us not wearing rose colored glasses can believe that.

GOP pollster can say whatever they'd like....discontent Democrats voted for Brown were duped, but they won't have to wait a full term to throw Brown out...

[EmptyMan]

Pretty sure his hot daughter could beat Obama at basketball.

[Spursmania]

GOP pollster can say whatever they'd like....discontent Democrats voted for Brown were duped, but they won't have to wait a full term to throw Brown out...

Go on...:drunk Just take another drink.

[jack sommerset]

America is embarrassed for electing Obama....Time will show my opinion.

[Yonivore]

GOP pollster can say whatever they'd like....discontent Democrats voted for Brown were duped, but they won't have to wait a full term to throw Brown out...
Duped?

His whole campaign was centered around the importance of that seat in the national debate over Healthcare.

I would buy that Massachusetts Democrats are stupid but, duped? C'mon.

[Yonivore]

Democrats at about 8:30 this evening:

2s8sXdL3IIo

[baseline bum]

He's cheerleading health-care reform, something unthinkable just a few years ago...this bill is far from perfect, but most programs start far from perfect...with the GOP you'd get a bill completely written by health-care lobbyists...or no reform at all...

It is pretty far from perfect... as in, on the other extreme of the spectrum. I have no illusions of the Republicans not giving us even worse solutions, as they have since Reagan, but calling this disaster of a bill reform when it does nothing to lower costs and forces even more artificial demand into the insurance market is ridiculous.

[iggypop123]

it wouldnt be crazy to say the only reason he was elected because he would vote no on the bill.

[TheProfessor]

Rasmussen says the decisive factor in tonight's election according to the
polls was: Healthcare.

I think most of us not wearing rose colored glasses can believe that.
But Coakley was up double-digits not a month ago, and healthcare was pissing off people then too. Strange that their constituents could have soured so overwhelmingly on that one issue so quickly. At the end of the day, Coakley had 19 events, and Brown had 66. He controlled the message and took advantage of her complacency. Had Coakley gone negative earlier and not overlooked him, I think this would be a very different result, even with the national mood as is.

[j.dizzle]

hahaha at democrats getting duped..So you guys prefer spending billions of dollars for nothing & paying a shitload of taxes???

[Yonivore]

But Coakley was up double-digits not a month ago, and healthcare was pissing off people then too. Strange that their constituents could have soured so overwhelmingly on that one issue so quickly. At the end of the day, Coakley had 19 events, and Brown had 66. He controlled the message and took advantage of her complacency. Had Coakley gone negative earlier and not overlooked him, I think this would be a very different result, even with the national mood as is.
It didn't help she's an idiot.

Calling Curt Shilling a Yankee Fan probably lost her 2% alone.

[ElNono]

Yeah - who would've thought our government would fine and jail its citizens for not buying health insurance? :nope

Who would have thought our government would jail and torture it's citizens without due process? :nope

But I digress... You forgot to add your fearmongering part:
Death Panels!!!! Can you hear me??? Death Panels!!!

:rolleyes

The currently proposed healtchare legislation sucks balls, but mainly because it doesn't include a public option and because it's been negotiated to benefit all the entities it encompasses except for the doctors and patients.
And votes like this one simply reflect the failure to deliver on those promises, IMO

[Yonivore]

hahaha at democrats getting duped..So you guys prefer spending billions of dollars for nothing & paying a shitload of taxes???
Actually, I think they do. Of course, the vast majority of the Democrat base doesn't pay taxes and are the recipients of the largess voted out of Congress by Democrats.

[TheProfessor]

It didn't help she's an idiot.

Calling Curt Shilling a Yankee Fan probably lost her 2% alone.
:lol More, I expect. How out of touch can one person be?

[baseline bum]

It didn't help she's an idiot.

Calling Curt Shilling a Yankee Fan probably lost her 2% alone.

Holy shit. What a moron.

[Crookshanks]

GOP pollster can say whatever they'd like....discontent Democrats voted for Brown were duped, but they won't have to wait a full term to throw Brown out...

Rasmussen is not a GOP pollster. He's been the most accurate pollster in the last few elections. I think he had the Bush/Kerry result within one percentage point of the actual results.

The people of Massachusetts were not duped - if they don't know who Scott Brown is and what he stands for, then they just weren't paying attention. Kinda like all those Obama voters...

[jack sommerset]

Never believe in polls, just ask Obama.

[EmptyMan]

I think huffpost is down

edit: now it's up

[ElNono]

Rasmussen is not a GOP pollster.

LOL, what's next? Palin is fair and balanced? Only a GOP cheerleader would try to say that with a straight face...

[jack sommerset]

Anyone that votes for Obama is stupid.

[ElNono]

Anyone that votes for Obama is stupid.

You're 3 years early, jack

[jack sommerset]

you're 3 years early, jack

blame obama

[Yonivore]

You're 3 years early, jack
Or, a year late.

[TheProfessor]

Or, a year late.
Not like the alternative was all that attractive.

[Yonivore]

I wonder how stupid Ben Nelson's feeling about right now.

[jack sommerset]

I wonder how stupid Ben Nelson's feeling about right now.

Stupid. His state will never see that money.

[Crookshanks]

Stupid. His state will never see that money.
He's already asking to have the deal rescinded because it so angered the people of Nebraska. I bet there are many, many democrats seriously rethinking their stance on Obamacare. If a Republican can take Teddy Kennedy's seat, anything can happen.

[SnakeBoy]

Healthcare is the only thing the Democrats have left. If they don't get something done, they will have absolutely nothing to run on in the midterms. Blaming Bush isn't going to get the job done.

This is the most interesting question. They can't run on healthcare reform. They can't run on cap&trade/global warming. They can't run as the anti war party. They can't run as the tough on terrorism party. They can't run against the status qou since they are the status quo. Should be interesting to see what they try to do.

The most impressive thing is how quickly republicans have been able to pivot to the anti washington party after in power for so long. Less than a year later they are the anti establishment party.

[jack sommerset]

Seriously, Obama should quit.

[Yonivore]

Not an original idea, I've read it in a couple of places now, but, I agree, I think Scott Brown should give the Republican response to this year's SOTUA.

[DarrinS]

A Republican taking away "Teddy's seat". I never thought I'd see the day.


Obama going there to "help out" probably sealed the deal.


Watching CNN and MSNBC coverage has been priceless.

[TeyshaBlue]

...scoreboard 59 - 41.....
Gradeschool.:lmao:lmao

[possessed]

They'll pass it before Brown has time to drop his pants for a Washington call-boy..

They've done nothing for a full year, but they're all going to pull together and accomplish something in a few days? You are delusional. :lol

[Crookshanks]

A Republican taking away "Teddy's seat". I never thought I'd see the day.


Obama going there to "help out" probably sealed the deal.

Watching CNN and MSNBC coverage has been priceless.

Yeah, he's what - 0 for 4 now? The New Jersey Election, the Virginia election, the Olympics bid and now the Massachusetts election. Smart democrats will keep Obama far, far away from their campaigns! :lol

[Nbadan]

They've done nothing for a full year, but they're all going to pull together and accomplish something in a few days? You are delusional. :lol

Yeah, only a paltry 2,916 bills by the Senate, 4,456 by the House.....dumbass

:rolleyes

[Nbadan]

Yeah, he's what - 0 for 4 now? The New Jersey Election, the Virginia election, the Olympics bid and now the Massachusetts election. Smart democrats will keep Obama far, far away from their campaigns! :lol

Obama ran in New Jersey? Virginia? He was in the Olympics?

Conveniently forget NY-21?

[TeyshaBlue]

Obama ran in New Jersey? Virginia? He was in the Olympics?

Conveniently forget NY-21?

And these equal the seat of the majestic Ted Kennedy, how?

[Nbadan]

And these equal the seat of the majestic Ted Kennedy, how?

How many former Republicans lost in 06 and 08 again?

[TeyshaBlue]

How many former Republicans lost in 06 and 08 again?

Again, this resembles the loss of Ted Kennedy's seat in what way?


Keep trying tho.

[Nbadan]

Again, this resembles the loss of Ted Kennedy's seat in what way?


Keep trying tho.

Ted Kennedy is dead, let go....

[TeyshaBlue]

Ted Kennedy is dead, let go....

Apparently the voters have.....

[jack sommerset]

Ted Kennedy is dead, let go....

"Dead man walking" Let Obama go.

[Nbadan]

Apparently the voters have.....

Just like Scott Brown in 2012

[Nbadan]

"Dead man walking" Let Obama go.

59 - 41 Scoreboard!

[jack sommerset]

59 - 41 Scoreboard!

You lose!

[TeyshaBlue]

Just like Scott Brown in 2012

We'll see when 2012 gets here.

[Nbadan]

We'll see when 2012 gets here.

There's something to hang your hat on....see you in 2 years..

[jack sommerset]

There's something to hang your hat on....see you in 2 years..

See him here now, dumbass.

[George Gervin's Afro]

see him here now, dumbass.

59-41

[TheManFromAcme]

I predict...................Far left is dead!



:toast

[clambake]

it would be nice for the far left and the far right to join each other in death.

[coyotes_geek]

it would be nice for the far left and the far right to join each other in death.

+1

[TeyshaBlue]

it would be nice for the far left and the far right to join each other in death.

Has pay per view written all over it!

[xrayzebra]

53%-46% for Brown. AP is now predicting a Brown win.


Well old Teddy, the swimmer, Kennedy knew for sure he was in hell when they
told him his seat had been won by a Conservative Republican......:downspin::lol

[hope4dopes]

What a great day, the birds are singing sweeter, the sun is shinning brighter...I feel so...so...Oh what's the word........Oh yeah.....HISTORIC.

[George Gervin's Afro]

what a great day, the birds are singing sweeter, the sun is shinning brighter...i feel so...so...oh what's the word........oh yeah.....historic.

59-41

[boutons_deux]

"far left" is just another right-wing lie.

There's nothing far-left about Dem policies and bills except the lies from the nihilist Repugs (no matter what the question, the answer is ALWAYS NO (and we don't negotiate)) and far-right, self-deluding, self-scaring nutjobs.

The health reform bill is so rotten with compromises to BigPharma and BigInsurance, including killing extremely popular Medicare-for-all public option as talked about during the pres campaign. I assume the 100M+ people who said they'd buy insurance from a public option thought it would be cheaper (affordable premiums, deductible, co-pays, pre-existing conditions accepted, no cancellations ie, humane) than BigInsurance rip-offs.

Repugs are paid to LOVE the broken health care system.

[DarrinS]

59-41


What is this number you guys keep spewing forth?

[elbamba]

Man this country's political year has been crazy. First we elect a black president with a muslim name. Now we have a republican winning a seat owned by the Kennedy clan. Strange year indeed.

[George Gervin's Afro]

What is this number you guys keep spewing forth?

you don't know?

[boutons_deux]

It's 58-42 since some prick from, IIRC, Louisiana has made his play for fame (for "Christian" supremacist votes) and flip-flopped out of voting for the health reform bill.

[DarrinS]

you don't know?


I know what it is, but why is it meaningful to you? You guys keep pasting this as if it means something.

[boutons_deux]

58-42 means the Senate Repugs will filibuster (or just threaten/blackmail to) the healthcare reform bill to death.

[doobs]

I know what it is, but why is it meaningful to you? You guys keep pasting this as if it means something.

It does mean something, and they shouldn't be happy about it.

[jack sommerset]

What is this number you guys keep spewing forth?

They are holding on to anything they can. Obama is done.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I know what it is, but why is it meaningful to you? You guys keep pasting this as if it means something.

It means that the dems will still be able to move their agenda along. Of course the party of no will raise it's head and they will be labeled fairly during the mid term election.. you do realize that the healthcare isn't the only legislation that is going to be passed in '10 don't you? Are you hoping that nothing gets passed and that the GOP just perpetuate a calendar year filibuster? Good luck with that.

[George Gervin's Afro]

They are holding on to anything they can. Obama is done.

hey dummy he has three yrs left...

[jack sommerset]

hey dummy he has three yrs left...

Maybe......

[George Gervin's Afro]

Maybe......

you can still hold out hope jack..:lmao

[jack sommerset]

you can still hold out hope jack..:lmao

Kind of like I did for Scott Brown. Who would have thought that he would have taken over for the King of healthcare? Now thats funny.

[xrayzebra]

Maybe......

Oh, Jack. He has his three years. It just, hopefully, wont the like the last
year. He has still done a lot of damage. Even the good fairy, Barney Frank,
is sweet talking the voters of Mass. His district went for the Conservative.

Oh, how sweet it is. But it is only for now. Let's see what happens in the
next few months. See if the Republicans get the message. I mean the
good "Republican" Collin Powell voted for Obama. And we still have mealy
mouth McCain. Gee cant we just get along.:lol And reach across the aisle.

I still have my dumbass Congressman, about as Liberal as you can get.
Charlie Gonzalez.

[baseline bum]

I think it's ridiculous to think a strongly liberal state became conservative overnight as opposed to a strongly liberal state being mad as hell that the supposed progressives they elected haven't done anything they promised.

[doobs]

I think it's ridiculous to think a strongly liberal state became conservative overnight as opposed to a strongly liberal state being mad as hell that the supposed progressives they elected haven't done anything they promised.

LOL, nice try.

[baseline bum]

LOL, nice try.

Such witty rebuttal. Sarcasm is the lowest form of debate, so I would expect nothing less from the dead-enders.

[baseline bum]

Seriously, how many progressives are for that garbage health bill the worthless senate was proposing? I don't see many here at all, and you expect those voters, who make up a strong majority in Massachusetts, to show up in droves to ensure passage of something they hate almost as much as the right-wingers?

[EmptyMan]

If progressives were wise, they would understand Obama cannot curbstomp the country with one single bill. They will have to chip away at the system until they can fully obtain their wet dream, Obama's wet dream, single-payer system.

I'll place my chips on the idea that independents just stepped up after seeing the shitty performance the dems have carried out in the past year.

[coyotes_geek]

Seriously, how many progressives are for that garbage health bill the worthless senate was proposing? I don't see many here at all, and you expect those voters, who make up a strong majority in Massachusetts, to show up in droves to ensure passage of something they hate almost as much as the right-wingers?

No doubt the diehard progressives don't like the healthcare bill. But certainly the progessives had to understand that voting for Brown meant that they weren't going to end up with a plan that they'd like better than the current one. Brown's election made Obamacare difficult, if not impossible, to pass in it's current form, and the sledding gets even tougher next year after the republicans pick up some seats in November. I'll concede that I'm no expert in the progressive mindset, but do you really think that significant numbers of them chose to go with the "nuclear option" and blow the whole thing up instead of accepting the current bill?

JMO, but I think last night was more about the independents and middle-fringe democrats jumping ship. Again, JMO.......

[George Gervin's Afro]

Oh, Jack. He has his three years. It just, hopefully, wont the like the last
year. He has still done a lot of damage. Even the good fairy, Barney Frank,
is sweet talking the voters of Mass. His district went for the Conservative.

Oh, how sweet it is. But it is only for now. Let's see what happens in the
next few months. See if the Republicans get the message. I mean the
good "Republican" Collin Powell voted for Obama. And we still have mealy
mouth McCain. Gee cant we just get along.:lol And reach across the aisle.

I still have my dumbass Congressman, about as Liberal as you can get.
Charlie Gonzalez.

I'm sure the feelings are mutual ray.

[George Gervin's Afro]

No doubt the diehard progressives don't like the healthcare bill. But certainly the progessives had to understand that voting for Brown meant that they weren't going to end up with a plan that they'd like better than the current one. Brown's election made Obamacare difficult, if not impossible, to pass in it's current form, and the sledding gets even tougher next year after the republicans pick up some seats in November. I'll concede that I'm no expert in the progressive mindset, but do you really think that significant numbers of them chose to go with the "nuclear option" and blow the whole thing up instead of accepting the current bill?

JMO, but I think last night was more about the independents and middle-fringe democrats jumping ship. Again, JMO.......

hell just froze over.. I agree with you.

[David Bowie]

The thing is Massachusetts already has a very good public healthcare system plan. I'm on it, and I wouldn't want it to change. I am not too familiar with obamacare, but I am happy with the way things are (health insurance wise) in Massachusetts. I am also happy Scot Brown won. I didn't vote because I never registered :lol (because democrats always win anyway in MASS) but the rest of my family did. Happy with the results.

And I do think that this is a a huge indicator that people are unhappy with Obama.

[baseline bum]

No doubt the diehard progressives don't like the healthcare bill. But certainly the progessives had to understand that voting for Brown meant that they weren't going to end up with a plan that they'd like better than the current one. Brown's election made Obamacare difficult, if not impossible, to pass in it's current form, and the sledding gets even tougher next year after the republicans pick up some seats in November. I'll concede that I'm no expert in the progressive mindset, but do you really think that significant numbers of them chose to go with the "nuclear option" and blow the whole thing up instead of accepting the current bill?

JMO, but I think last night was more about the independents and middle-fringe democrats jumping ship. Again, JMO.......

I don't think progressives were motivated to turn out to vote at all. I certainly wouldn't have, as destroying that 60-seat majority has killed a bill that was worse than doing nothing thanks to blue dog losers like Nelson, Baucus, Lieberman, and Landrieu who completely ruined it.

[Wild Cobra]

I think it's ridiculous to think a strongly liberal state became conservative overnight as opposed to a strongly liberal state being mad as hell that the supposed progressives they elected haven't done anything they promised.
But the two candidates were running as a filibuster breaking vote, and a filibuster maintaining vote, focusing on mandatory health care insurance being forced on us.

It was the authoritarian facists vs. freedom living Americans, and the Americans won!

[baseline bum]

But the two candidates were running as a filibuster breaking vote, and a filibuster maintaining vote, focusing on mandatory health care insurance being forced on us.

It was the authoritarian facists vs. freedom living Americans, and the Americans won!

It was people pissed that health reform equated to more welfare to insurance companies. No one in his right mind could be happy with the corporate handout the bill was watered down to or the fact that Obama turned out to be another worthless Bush/Bush/Clinton/Reagan clone.

[Supergirl]

For people who care about facts, here they are:
Massachusetts showed up to vote on Tuesday, despite it snowing all day. 50% turn out in a special election, after we've had to vote EVERY MONTH for the past five months, is awesome turnout for this country.

Massachusetts is not suddenly becoming conservative. Nor is the demographics even shifting. Boston, Worcester, Springfield, Gloucester/Rockport, Lowell, the Cape, and the entire western part of the state voted for Coakley. The places that voted for Brown were more rural cities on the South Shore and North Shore and central Massachusetts. These have always been the more conservative parts of the state, though they're by no means *that* conservative. But they're also the areas likely to have been hit particularly hard by the economic downturn, because they have less high tech, education, and variety in job opportunities to begin with.

Here's why Brown won:
1. Massachusetts has near universal health care coverage already, so the urgency Coakley and Obama tried to convey over ensuring health care reform for the rest of the country didn't translate. People voted out of fear rather than altruism.

2. In a down economy, the "incumbent" is always in danger of losing their job. Coakley was successfully labeled the "incumbent" by simply being a Dem, because the Dems are the ones in power right now.

3. Coakley ran a lazy campaign, expecting to cruise after the primary, and Brown capitalized. Coakley has also never faced a close race before - she won in a landslide the last time she ran for attorney general.

[baseline bum]

Not acknowledging this vote as a reflection on Obama is crazy.

[Wild Cobra]

Not acknowledging this vote as a reflection on Obama is crazy.
I think it would be more accurate to frame it as a vote against the liberal agenda.

[baseline bum]

I think it would be more accurate to frame it as a vote against the liberal agenda.

It's hard to call it a liberal agenda, when it was watered down by conservative democrats.

[Marcus Bryant]

I hope Obama's base continues to be so delusional.

[TeyshaBlue]

For people who care about facts, here they are:
Massachusetts showed up to vote on Tuesday, despite it snowing all day. 50% turn out in a special election, after we've had to vote EVERY MONTH for the past five months, is awesome turnout for this country.

Massachusetts is not suddenly becoming conservative. Nor is the demographics even shifting. Boston, Worcester, Springfield, Gloucester/Rockport, Lowell, the Cape, and the entire western part of the state voted for Coakley. The places that voted for Brown were more rural cities on the South Shore and North Shore and central Massachusetts. These have always been the more conservative parts of the state, though they're by no means *that* conservative. But they're also the areas likely to have been hit particularly hard by the economic downturn, because they have less high tech, education, and variety in job opportunities to begin with.

Here's why Brown won:
1. Massachusetts has near universal health care coverage already, so the urgency Coakley and Obama tried to convey over ensuring health care reform for the rest of the country didn't translate. People voted out of fear rather than altruism.

2. In a down economy, the "incumbent" is always in danger of losing their job. Coakley was successfully labeled the "incumbent" by simply being a Dem, because the Dems are the ones in power right now.

3. Coakley ran a lazy campaign, expecting to cruise after the primary, and Brown capitalized. Coakley has also never faced a close race before - she won in a landslide the last time she ran for attorney general.

Denial...river...and all that.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'll give her credit. At least she didn't mention voting machines, the CIA, and yellow cake.

[spursncowboys]

Such witty rebuttal. Sarcasm is the lowest form of debate, so I would expect nothing less from the dead-enders.

"You should go fuck your mother so she can have another baby for the welfare."

[jack sommerset]

Originally Posted by baseline bum

"You should go fuck your mother so she can have another baby for the welfare."

:lol

[hope4dopes]

[quote=Supergirl;4013916]For people who care about facts, here they are:
Massachusetts showed up to vote on Tuesday, despite it snowing all day. 50% turn out in a special election, after we've had to vote EVERY MONTH for the past five months, is awesome turnout for this country.

Massachusetts is not suddenly becoming conservative. Nor is the demographics even shifting. Boston, Worcester, Springfield, Gloucester/Rockport, Lowell, the Cape, and the entire western part of the state voted for Coakley. The places that voted for Brown were more rural cities on the South Shore and North Shore and central Massachusetts. These have always been the more conservative parts of the state, though they're by no means *that* conservative. But they're also the areas likely to have been hit particularly hard by the economic downturn, because they have less high tech, education, and variety in job opportunities to begin with.

Here's why Brown won:
1. Massachusetts has near universal health care coverage already, so the urgency Coakley and Obama tried to convey over ensuring health care reform for the rest of the country didn't translate. People voted out of fear rather than altruism.

2. In a down economy, the "incumbent" is always in danger of losing their job. Coakley was successfully labeled the "incumbent" by simply being a Dem, because the Dems are the ones in power right now.




Yeah, well nice thought, but your gonna have a hard time selling that to all the dem. rats in congress that are suddenly abandoning the U.S.S. Obama.

[Nbadan]

I hope Obama's base continues to be so delusional.

...big talk for 41 Senators..wake me up if you ever break 45.....

:sleep

[hope4dopes]

...big talk for 41 Senators..wake me up if you ever break 45.....

:sleepDude if the DNC just lost" kennedy's seat" and you're still napping,please don't let us disturb you.sleep on.

[Yonivore]

...big talk for 41 Senators..wake me up if you ever break 45.....

:sleep
Considering this is the most partisan Congress in recent memory, 41 is as good as 51.

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have decided they don't need Republicans to have their way -- ooops! -- there goes the super majority and their filibuster-busting swagger.

And, to the point of Massachusetts, if they learn nothing from losing "Kennedy's Seat" to a Republican who was behind by double-digits, just a month ago, November should be a bloodbath at the voting booth.

[Nbadan]

Kennedy's dead....if a real Kennedy had run, they would have won...what's your point?

More data..


Massachusetts voters who backed Barack Obama in the presidential election a year ago and either switched support to Republican Senate candidate Scott Brown or simply stayed home, said in a poll conducted after the election Tuesday night that if Democrats enact tougher policies on Wall Street, they'll be more likely to come back to the party in the next election.

A majority of Obama voters who switched to Brown said that "Democratic policies were doing more to help Wall Street than Main Street." A full 95 percent said the economy was important or very important when it came to deciding their vote.

In a somewhat paradoxical finding, a plurality of voters who switched to the Republican -- 37 percent -- said that Democrats were not being "hard enough" in challenging Republican policies.

It would be hard to find a clearer indication, it seems, that Tuesday's vote was cast in protest.

The poll also upends the conventional understanding of health care's role in the election. A plurality of people who switched -- 48 -- or didn't vote -- 43 -- said that they opposed the Senate health care bill. But the poll dug deeper and asked people why they opposed it. Among those Brown voters, 23 percent thought it went "too far" -- but 36 percent thought it didn't go far enough and 41 percent said they weren't sure why they opposed it.

Huff (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/20/obama-backers-more-commit_n_429673.html)

[Nbadan]

Considering this is the most partisan Congress in recent memory, 41 is as good as 51.

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have decided they don't need Republicans to have their way -- ooops! -- there goes the super majority and their filibuster-busting swagger.

....put down the bong, that's why they've been courting Snowe right?

[hope4dopes]

Kennedy's dead....if a real Kennedy had run, they would have won...what's your point?

More data..



Huff (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/20/obama-backers-more-commit_n_429673.html) The Huffungton Post? My God that's like the blind leading the stupid......I mean if you bought that Hope and Change shit you'll buy anything.

[Nbadan]

So now you hate polls again...did I miss a memo?

[Marcus Bryant]

Kennedy's dead....if a real Kennedy had run, they would have won...what's your point?

Gee, I don't know. A real entitled, privileged, establishment, neo-whatever Kennedy didn't. And the Dems lost. And the Dems are bailling on the president. Fairly obvious to the non-moron.

[baseline bum]

It was in response to WC telling me to go fuck myself, SnC, you inbred.

[Yonivore]

The Huffungton Post? My God that's like the blind leading the stupid......I mean if you bought that Hope and Change shit you'll buy anything.
You're delusional if you think Snowe or any other left-leaning Republican is going to vote for Obamacare after what we witnessed in Massachusetts last night. Hell, even Ben Nelson is trying to walk back from his blunder.

[TheProfessor]

Kennedy's dead....if a real Kennedy had run, they would have won...what's your point?
Hell, if Michael Capuano had run, Dem's would have won. No way he would have let Brown outwork him or define the election. I think people are seriously underestimating just how poor a campaign Coakley ran here.

[Supergirl]

Hell, if Michael Capuano had run, Dem's would have won. No way he would have let Brown outwork him or define the election. I think people are seriously underestimating just how poor a campaign Coakley ran here.

I don't know about that. Coakley ran a poor campaign, but the reason she got the nomination is because she EASILY won the entire state outside of Boston. And I say this as someone who voted for Capuano - he's a good guy, always responsive to my concerns (he's my rep) and a tough no-nonsense Somerville kinda guy. But I don't think he would have fared better than Coakley, even if he ran a better campaign. As I said earlier, Coakley didn't do poorly, and won all the parts of the state you'd expect. But she failed to convince the more rural voters of the urgency of health care reform. Trust me, the urban voters (Boston, Worcester, Springfield) and those in the western part of the state and the Cape are all very much behind the Dems.

[Supergirl]

The thing is Massachusetts already has a very good public healthcare system plan. I'm on it, and I wouldn't want it to change. I am not too familiar with obamacare, but I am happy with the way things are (health insurance wise) in Massachusetts. I am also happy Scot Brown won. I didn't vote because I never registered :lol (because democrats always win anyway in MASS) but the rest of my family did. Happy with the results.

And I do think that this is a a huge indicator that people are unhappy with Obama.

And why do you think that you deserve health insurance, but the rest of the country doesn't? I'm just sayin'.

[TheProfessor]

I don't know about that. Coakley ran a poor campaign, but the reason she got the nomination is because she EASILY won the entire state outside of Boston. And I say this as someone who voted for Capuano - he's a good guy, always responsive to my concerns (he's my rep) and a tough no-nonsense Somerville kinda guy. But I don't think he would have fared better than Coakley, even if he ran a better campaign. As I said earlier, Coakley didn't do poorly, and won all the parts of the state you'd expect. But she failed to convince the more rural voters of the urgency of health care reform. Trust me, the urban voters (Boston, Worcester, Springfield) and those in the western part of the state and the Cape are all very much behind the Dems.
Even Capuano called how bad the situation was on the ground, I just have to think he would have cut off those avenues for Brown that Coakley didn't address early enough. Not to mention I would see him having more than 19 events. And knowing who Schilling roots for :lol Probably just petty speculation on my part after the fact.

I had read a conspiracy theory of sorts that the Boston machine didn't get out in force for Coakley, any truth to that?

[Wild Cobra]

It was in response to WC telling me to go fuck myself, SnC, you inbred.
OMG...

You're not ready to cry are you?

[baseline bum]

OMG...

You're not ready to cry are you?

Just responding to your stupid lap dog

[Supergirl]

Even Capuano called how bad the situation was on the ground, I just have to think he would have cut off those avenues for Brown that Coakley didn't address early enough. Not to mention I would see him having more than 19 events. And knowing who Schilling roots for :lol Probably just petty speculation on my part after the fact.

I had read a conspiracy theory of sorts that the Boston machine didn't get out in force for Coakley, any truth to that?

No, there was a HUGE push from multiple organized fronts. But Coakley got a late start thinking she could cruise to the election after the primary and couldn't catch all the way up.

Heard a stat tonight from the organizers that two weeks ago there was a 2o% difference in how likely Coakley supporters were to vote than Brown supporters. By election day they made up that gap. It just wasn't quite enough this time.

[Wild Cobra]

It's hard to call it a liberal agenda, when it was watered down by conservative democrats.
To call the ones who still voted for it conservative is a complete joke. Watering it down was required for them to whore out their vote.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.alternet.org/images/site/logo.gif
Will Brown Give Back the Federal Money that Subsidized Health Reform in Massachusetts?

By Igor Volsky, Think Progress

Posted on January 22, 2010, Printed on January 22, 2010
http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/http://www.thinkprogress.org//145336/


Senator-elect Scott Brown (R-MA) supports Massachusetts’ 2006 health care reform but opposes the near-identical Senate health care bill (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/01/20/brown-reform-referendum/). During the campaign, Brown promised to provide the 41st vote for any national reform effort that required states like Massachusetts to finance reform elsewhere (http://www.zimbio.com/Massachusetts+Politics/articles/7e4gNzkp1F2/Abridged+Transcript+Brown+Coakley+Kennedy):
Thank you for the question, the health care plan is not good for Bay State Health Center here in Springfield, I worked on that health care bill, the problem with it is that we have 98% of our people insured and we have to look at pricing it’s getting out of control – but the Federal plan, taking a half trillion from Medicare, why would we go and subsidize the failure of other states – not only would we be paying for our plan, we’d be paying for everyone else – and look at the back door deals – I think people have lost confidence – and I think that we need to go back – I’d work on it – why do we need a one size fits all government approach we already did it.
Watch it:

But if Brown believes that Americans should not have to finance other states’ reform efforts, he should return the federal dollars that subsidize Massachusetts’ Medicaid expansion. After all, the state’s 2006 health care reform legislation included an expansion of Medicaid for children up to 300% of the federal poverty level and increased enrollment caps on existing Medicaid programs for adults. Massachusetts relied “very heavily on federal Medicaid funds (http://www.allhealth.org/BriefingMaterials/Kaiser-MAHealthCareReformPlan-239.pdf) to finance the plan, including $385 million in annual federal Medicaid payments that would have been lost in the absence of a plan to reduce the number of uninsured.”

Massachusetts used federal funds because, like all states, it lacked the economic capacity to invest in something as big as health care reform. Only the federal government can fix the systematic problems plaguing the health care system and improve the system in an equitable manner. Brown’s insistence that states can do reform on their own (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/01/20/brown-reform-referendum/), is just a back door way for preserving the status quo that denies millions of Americans the kind of reforms that they’re financing in Massachusetts.

© 2010 Think Progress All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/http://www.thinkprogress.org//145336/

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So Brown loves to spend Other Peoples' Money? How deeply conservative and Ruggedly Socialist of him. :lol

[DarrinS]

And why do you think that you deserve health insurance, but the rest of the country doesn't? I'm just sayin'.


If the people of MA want their own state-run health plan, why should it be forced upon the rest of us? I'm just sayin'.

[George Gervin's Afro]

If the people of MA want their own state-run health plan, why should it be forced upon the rest of us? I'm just sayin'.

Is the current healthcare reform bill identical to the MA one? I'm just sayin'

[Supergirl]

Is the current healthcare reform bill identical to the MA one? I'm just sayin'

it's pretty similar - based on a marketplace for insurance co to offer plans, but with a public option for people who make less than 30K a year.

as a provider, I can say that there was a DRAMATIC shift when it went into effect. I used to routinely meet families who had no health insurance, were working and not eligible for Mass Health, which is the public option (the public option has been in effect prior to the health insurance reform). The change is that now, if families make too much money for Mass Health but can't afford private plans, they become eligible for Commonwealth Care, which offers health insurance plans at a reduced premium. It's been a lifesaver, and now 98% of people in Massachusetts have health insurance. Which has subsequently de-clogged our ERs and made the system more effective.

[George Gervin's Afro]

God, I hope so.

Expect big gains in the market tomorrow...particularly with health care related stocks.

:lmao

Nice !

[possessed]

They'll pass it before Brown has time to drop his pants for a Washington call-boy..

How's that goin' for ya Nambladan? Still think they'll hurry this thing through?

:lol

Fukkin wanker.

[jack sommerset]

Is the current healthcare reform bill identical to the MA one? I'm just sayin'

You just askin not sayin'

Whatever bill these wankers were trying to force down our throats is dead, dead and dead.

[spursncowboys]

It was in response to WC telling me to go fuck myself, SnC, you inbred.
What the hell are you talking about?

[George Gervin's Afro]

You just askin not sayin'

Whatever bill these wankers were trying to force down our throats is dead, dead and dead.

you have no idea what's in the bill do you?

[spursncowboys]

you have no idea what's in the bill do you?

Do you?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Do you?

I'd lke jack to explain specifically what he's against. it's already established that jack has double standards whe it comes to liars. he hates obma because he's a liar yet will support liars in order to vote Obama out of office. I'm not the one who saying that they want th bill to die. I'd like to know what specifically he is against in the bill.

[baseline bum]

What the hell are you talking about?

Not my fault you can't read, motherfucker.