Lebron >>>>>>> Kobe

[SinBAD]

If lakers fan dont see it then you are idiots.Lebron is more dominant and makes his team better.Lebron will get to 25K faster than Kobe unless he gets injured.Kobe is a great better but its obvious that at 25 lebron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kobe at 25 and 32 and he isnt even in his prime.Sorry but Kobe is just a little past his prime. this is james league now.
Even if lakers win today, they wont repeat.Its bad enough they have only 1 all star and they are best in the west.

[Allanon]

Please put general Kobe trash talk in the sticky thread up top.

Makes the forum more readable, thanks.

[MiamiHeat]

That 'youngest to' record stuff is stupid because these guys like kobe and bron entered the NBA right out of high school

Check seasons played/ games played.

and yeah, LeBron has already shattered every single kobe 'youngest' record so far, and he'll continue breaking all of them as he gets older


LeBron > Kobe

I been saying it for years.

[Banzai]

lol stupid asses.

[Bukefal]

Don't penalize Kobe just because Jordan wasn't good enough to go pro from high school. Hell, MJ was barely making his varsity team at the age Kobe was dropping shit on legends.

:lol come on. are you serious?

[ezau]

That 'youngest to' record stuff is stupid because these guys like kobe and bron entered the NBA right out of high school

Check seasons played/ games played.

and yeah, LeBron has already shattered every single kobe 'youngest' record so far, and he'll continue breaking all of them as he gets older


LeBron > Kobe

I been saying it for years.

Agree with this. At the rate that Lebron is going, all the youngest crap achievements of Kobe will be surpassed. Statistically, Lebron will surpass whatever Kobe has reached. The only thing that is haunting him is his inability to win championships.

Once Kobe retires, the NBA will be Lebron's league whether we like or not

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Kobe thread.

[Killakobe81]

Lebron is a beast I can see argument >Kobe ..but >>>>>> better? People who say that ARE the idiots ...

[MiamiHeat]

Who can seriously try to deny that LeBron is not the best player in the NBA today?

It's plain as day.

[Gutter92]

I'm stating historical facts, kid.

lol

[hitmanyr2k]

Who can seriously try to deny that LeBron is not the best player in the NBA today?

It's plain as day.

At the end of the day Kobe has the better team. Whoever gets the last say in June gets the hype as best player in the league. Lebron was hands down the best player in the league last year but Kobe got the last say in June and now he gets the hype as "best player" which I don't believe is true but that's the way it is.

[Josepatches_]

The fact is Lebron is going better and Kobe is going worse.That's the time. Kobe had his years,Shaq and Duncan too and now it's Lebron's time.

Even if someone still believe Kobe>LBJ that's not going to be forever.

Lebron is the present and the future of the NBA.

[namlook]

Lebron doesn't have the skills to sustain a high level of performance past 30. Once his athleticism goes so will his game. He better hope he can get a ring or two between now and then because he has about a 5 year window and it may be more like a 2 or 3 year window if the Lakers do what is expected of them over the next couple years.

[bostonguy]

Lebron doesn't have the skills to sustain a high level of performance past 30. Once his athleticism goes so will his game.

As much as I am a Bron fan, I easily agree with this. Lebron will decline in his early 30's because he relies so much on his athleticism. He will need to add to his game to stay playing at a high level past 30.

[TinTin]

Lebron doesn't have the skills to sustain a high level of performance past 30. Once his athleticism goes so will his game. He better hope he can get a ring or two between now and then because he has about a 5 year window.

Wait what are you basing this off?

[DPG21920]

He is a lot more skilled than you give him credit for. His passing has nothing to do with his athleticism.

He is not as "skilled" offensively, but he is not a scrub.

[namlook]

Wait what are you basing this off?

Most players show a clear decline in athletic ability after the age of 30. So Lebron has about 5 years left as a dominant player. He just doesn't have the basketball skills to be a top 5 player after the age of 30.

[hitmanyr2k]

As much as I am a Bron fan, I easily agree with this. Lebron will decline in his early 30's because he relies so much on his athleticism. He will need to add to his game to stay playing at a high level past 30.

That's if Lebron doesn't work on his game between now and the next 5 years. And from what I've seen the guy has a high work ethic so I can't see him just sitting around and not getting better. He should be using that post game more and working on that. I don't remember him taking Artest in the post once tonight.

[DAF86]

Lebron doesn't have the skills to sustain a high level of performance past 30. Once his athleticism goes so will his game. He better hope he can get a ring or two between now and then because he has about a 5 year window and it may be more like a 2 or 3 year window if the Lakers do what is expected of them over the next couple years.

Lebron's court vision and passing skills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe's

That ought to help him past his prime, besides he will still have his big body and if he develops a post up game watch out.

[itzsoweezee]

lebron is better in every capacity. only laker fans don't realize this.

[namlook]

lebron is better in every capacity. only laker fans don't realize this.

Here are a few things no one can dispute: Kobe is the better ball handler, has a better post up game and is the better shooter...and so far is the better winner.

[j.dizzle]

Sons seems like Lebron is a better shooter then Kobe these days..Hopefully that fuckin finger heals soon cuz these 12 for 30 type of games are not doing anyone any favors.

[DAF86]

Here are a few things no one can dispute: Kobe is the better ball handler, has a better post up game and is the better shooter...and so far is the better winner.

I can dispute that and I'm sure most of the people who watch the NBA can too.

[ChrisRichards]

Sons seems like Lebron is a better shooter then Kobe these days..Hopefully that fuckin finger heals soon cuz these 12 for 30 type of games are not doing anyone any favors.
He is. You just cant make any case anymore for Kobe.


Lebron has become the better shooter, he was always a better finisher,rebounder and playmaker than Kobe too. So really what else can you use against Lebron? That Kobe had 4 rings? Those 4 rings becomes irrelevant seeing as Bron is becoming better every season. Its only a matter of time before James gets a much more talented cast around him and starts a dynasty.

[namlook]

I can dispute that and I'm sure most of the people who watch the NBA can too.

You are blind then. Kobe's handles are clearly better than Lebron's.

[ChrisRichards]

You are blind then. Kobe's handles are clearly better than Lebron's.
This is pathetic. Kobe can have all the handles in the world. But if he's not shooting at least 40% and not gving them 9 boards and 7 assists its pointless.

[Banzai]

stats matter most.

[j.dizzle]

who gives a fuck about handles when you can just power drive to the rim non stop..Now Lebron is drilling 20 footers easily so its basically pick your poison..You either let him drive right by you or he'll just pop a 20 footer easily since its so tough guarding him.

[namlook]

Championships matter most. When you don't win a ring what you did does not have nearly the same significance as when you win it all.

[namlook]

who gives a fuck about handles when you can just power drive to the rim non stop..Now Lebron is drilling 20 footers easily so its basically pick your poison..You either let him drive right by you or he'll just pop a 20 footer easily since its so tough guarding him.

I was responding to someone who posted that Lebron is better than Kobe in all areas. He's not.

But I agree, for now. Right now Lebron doesn't need a lot of skills because of his power and athleticism. But when the athleticism goes his basketball skills get magnified and post 30 years of age Lebron will start to have problems scoring because he won't be able to blow past people anymore.

[ezau]

Lebron doesn't have the skills to sustain a high level of performance past 30. Once his athleticism goes so will his game. He better hope he can get a ring or two between now and then because he has about a 5 year window and it may be more like a 2 or 3 year window if the Lakers do what is expected of them over the next couple years.

5 years? Once Lebron develops a post-up game, nobody can ever stop that guy. He still needs to polish some aspects of his game but Kobe should be lucky that he's no longer around to play against a prime Lebron

[ezau]

That's if Lebron doesn't work on his game between now and the next 5 years. And from what I've seen the guy has a high work ethic so I can't see him just sitting around and not getting better. He should be using that post game more and working on that. I don't remember him taking Artest in the post once tonight.

He did and it resulted in a left-handed layup. Artest is a big guy but when Lebron posted him up, he looked like a little kit:lol

[j.dizzle]

Lebron will work on his post game eventually but he can do whatever he damn wants right now..Never seen a player his size do the shit he does. I hope LA watches this game though & sees Lebron rapping n shit, dancing & all that other nonsense. I know hes having fun & all but this aint fuckin rucker park homie.

[Johnny RIngo]

Here are a few things no one can dispute: Kobe is the better ball handler, has a better post up game and is the better shooter...and so far is the better winner.

Better winner? Kobe can't win without another all-star/all-NBA player. Lebron has been carrying a group of role players for most of his career.

[HarlemHeat37]

This isn't even debatable at all..there will be people picking Kobe out of respect, but Lebron has been better for a minute now..

[Johnny RIngo]

This isn't even debatable at all..there will be people picking Kobe out of respect, but Lebron has been better for a minute now..

Actually, I think Lebron's been better for a while now. He's just been saddled with a weak supporting cast and an inconsistent coach.

[HarlemHeat37]

Yup..I would understand if Lebron had played poorly last playoffs, but he dominated at that time too..there's nothing Kobe really has over Lebron in the argument..Lebron and Kobe have the same usage % this season, meaning they use the same amount of possessions for their teams, yet Lebron averages more assists in a slower-paced system, more points, and shoots a ridiculous 5% higher from the field..it's gotten to the point where Lebron is shooting significantly better than Kobe from 3-point range too..

I don't really know what can be used to argue Kobe is better at this point..his fans will point out trivial aspects like Kobe's post-up game that he can barely even use with LA's spacing problems..even with the improved post-up game, he's shooting 46%, nothing special..

It's gotten to the point where his fans have to point out that Lebron won't be effective when he's past the age of 30 LOL..

[TheMACHINE]

I can careless if Lebron is better. At the end, you'll be judged by championships. RIght now, Kobe is trying to cement his legacy with the greats like Duncan, Shaq, Magic and MJ. Lebron is currently linked to the greats like KArl Malone, Reggie Miller and Charles Barkley.

[TheMACHINE]

Better winner? Kobe can't win without another all-star/all-NBA player. Lebron has been carrying a group of role players for most of his career.

Shaq, MJ, Magic didnt win without another hall of famer. But Kobe did. ANd you are right...Lebron is carrying a group of role players. What did that get him? NOTHING. When he gets another all star, maybe he'll win a ring right?

Your whole arguement is pointless.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if its base on championships then kerr, horry > kome

[namlook]

Better winner? Kobe can't win without another all-star/all-NBA player. Lebron has been carrying a group of role players for most of his career.

Lebron has been carrying teams nowhere. Lebron had an all-star in Mo Williams last year and couldn't get it done. Lebron also had a big man who has been an all-star in the past. Kobe had only one all-star last year and no other player who had ever made an all-star game but he got it done.

Last year Lebron's team won 66 games, the most in the NBA, so no one can say he didn't have the talent around him. They had the talent to win 66 games didn't they? Yet in the playoffs his team got rolled by a team that had won 7 fewer games. And it took a miracle shot for the Cavs to avoid an embarrassing 4-1 series loss.

Magic had two Hall of Fame players around him, one of the guys was a 6 time MVP. Bird had two and and sometimes three Hall of Famers. Bill Russell had six Hall of Famers on his team. Shaq never won without a top 5 player on his team.

Those other guys had all that talent around them, but when Kobe wins with only one all-star that means he's not that good? Do you see the total absurdity of your logic? Kobe won a championship with less talent around him than Magic, Bird, Russell or Shaq had to name a few.


if its base on championships then kerr, horry > kome

Don't be a dumbshit. Those are role players. Role players don't get credit for championships. Players that get credit for winning championships are the ones that are elite, Hall of Fame caliber players.

[j.dizzle]

Stop wasting your time..You already know that Kobe will be hated on even if he wins a few more rings..Ppl just love putting him down for some reason..Maybe cuz they dont like Lakers fans or whatever but a lot of ppl need to chill out. Everytime LA loses I come to this site expecting to see 75% of the threads related to kobe or Lakers sucking balls hahaha..Shit is a little overboard but i guess thats what happens when the most popular team in the league loses a few games.

[Bukefal]

I'm stating historical facts, kid.

Kid, It's ridiculous to even consider comparing Kobe with MJ. Same goes for Lebron btw.

[ChrisRichards]

For the sake of equality, I would say that all this talk about Lebron carrying a bunch of scrubs is getting real old now. Yes, he does'nt have a legitimate superstar by his side, but to be honest, the cast that Lebron has right now quite possibly has the best chemistry and fits Lebron's skillset. They are faaaaraway from being scrubs, so drop that and respect the Cavs role players. These are probably one of the toughest minded and physical teams out there. These Cavaliers has surpassed the Celtics in terms of defensive prowess.


Varejao, Hikcson and Shaq are nothing to sneeze at. They will not give you ESPN highlight plays but they body up, box out and hustle like no other. Mo Williams is not an All Star but he sure can hit the lights out. Same with boobie Gibson. And despite of his bi polar disorder, Delonte West IMO is that x-factor that turns momentum up another notch when Lebron is doing his amzingness. He's a momentum turner. IF they get a healthy Leon Powe then he's just icing on the cake.


Yes, Kobe's team is much more talented, thats undeniable, but the nitty gritty mentality does not exist with Gasol, Odom, Bynum and Luke Walton. Ron Artest has really not made much of a difference defensively,and he's such a downgrade compared to Ariza offensively. Fish has dead legs and his backups could not get a lot of burn, thanks to Phil Jackson.



Right now, Cleveland though an inferior team when it comes to talent will beat the Lakers 4 times out of 7 if they meet in June. Why? because the team has exhibit their hunger and passion to prove they belong in the upper echelon of title contenders.

[stretch]

Hell, MJ was barely making his varsity team at the age Kobe was dropping shit on legends.

maybe you need to do research. that was when MJ was like 15, only 5'11, and a sophmore in high school. by his senior year, he was averaging a triple double, and many people said he was more than capable of jumping straight to the NBA. he probably wouldnt have hit the ground running the way that Lebron was able to (and Kobe clearly wasnt able to as it took a good 3-4 years for him to figure it out), but he still more than likely could have made the jump.

[stretch]

You are blind then. Kobe's handles are clearly better than Lebron's.

kobe is better at handling the rock, although not to a point that it really makes a difference. lebron handles the ball extremely well. the only thing that hinders him really is his height.

[stretch]

Kobe had only one all-star last year and no other player who had ever made an all-star game but he got it done.

very misleading too, because in most any era, Gasol would have been an all-star and All-Pro player on a near yearly basis. he just had the misfortune of playing on a crappy small market team like the Grizzlies in a conference that featured Duncan, Nowitzki, and Garnett, who might end up going down as the three greatest PFs of all time.

he may be a bit soft when things get physical, but Gasol is without a question, one of the most skilled big men of all time

[TheManFromAcme]

The passing of the torch has not yet begun but no doubt this will be Lebron's league in the not to distant future.

Look, Kobe bashing aside and belittlement of his accomplishments aside, Kobe still has some thunder in him and it's ridiculous to think he's just going to lay down and let Lebron just pass him by. You can say all you want about Kobe but if anything is he is still a competitive guy.

The current Laker team is designed to compete fo the next 2,3 maybe 4 years. Rest assured the Lakers FO will do whatever it takes to compliment Kobe's game even if his game comes to mere post and no slashing. Kobe's skills at whatever level will be well complimented with whoever plays with him.

The colletive talent of the Lakers (okay, maybe not the bench at present state) will be in the running guys. Hate on Kobe all you want and make less of what he's done but surely the basketall knowledge in all of you that you claim you have will tell you this team has the moxy to do what it needs to do, albeit a 31-33 year old Kobe.

The Lakers will be hanging around for a while. Guaranteed LOB? Who knows... But the 2008-2009 LOB is not their last one.

[Bukefal]

The passing of the torch has not yet begun but no doubt this will be Lebron's league in the not to distant future.

Look, Kobe bashing aside and belittlement of his accomplishments aside, Kobe still has some thunder in him and it's ridiculous to think he's just going to lay down and let Lebron just pass him by. You can say all you want about Kobe but if anything is he is still a competitive guy.

The current Laker team is designed to compete fo the next 2,3 maybe 4 years. Rest assured the Lakers FO will do whatever it takes to compliment Kobe's game even if his game comes to mere post and no slashing. Kobe's skills at whatever level will be well complimented with whoever plays with him.

The colletive talent of the Lakers (okay, maybe not the bench at present state) will be in the running guys. Hate on Kobe all you want and make less of what he's done but surely the basketall knowledge in all of you that you claim you have will tell you this team has the moxy to do what it needs to do, albeit a 31-33 year old Kobe.

The Lakers will be hanging around for a while. Guaranteed LOB? Who knows... But the 2008-2009 LOB is not their last one.

Yeah, bashing aside. Of course Kobe has still thunder in him, he proves that game after game and of course he still is competitive. But, I just think Lebron is better in many ways, on both ends, he can do everything and the athleticism the guy has is amazing. plus Lebron has still a longer bright future in front of him.

[MiamiHeat]

Kobe is in the position Shaq was in 2003, 2004.

LeBron is the younger, bright future ahead of him player, and Kobe is now the 31 year old, aging, slowing and declining player

:)

[TheManFromAcme]

Yeah, bashing aside. Of course Kobe has still thunder in him, he proves that game after game and of course he still is competitive. But, I just think Lebron is better in many ways, plus Lebron has still a longer bright future in front of him.

Agreed Bukefal.

That was really the meat of what I was trying convey. Youth does wonders. We all remember a 24-25 year old Kobe right? We all remember a 24-25 year old Duncan right? Tim is slower these days but to think he still can't school a young one out there is stupid.

Youth is great especially in this sport but experience, knowledge and a high IQ for this game are attributes that Tim and Kobe have that still make them dangerous.

Simply put; sleeping on the old timers( :lol ) will burn you at some point.

[TheMACHINE]

LeBron is the younger, bright future ahead of him player, and Kobe is now the 31 year old, aging, slowing and declining player

:)

Thanks for pointing that out Mr. Obvious.

Who knows?...maybe Kobe is in Duncan position...just waiting for the playoffs to start.

[JamStone]

Lebron doesn't have the skills to sustain a high level of performance past 30. Once his athleticism goes so will his game. He better hope he can get a ring or two between now and then because he has about a 5 year window and it may be more like a 2 or 3 year window if the Lakers do what is expected of them over the next couple years.

Utter lunacy.

There have been plenty of freakish athletes in the NBA that never sniffed anywhere close to 30/7/7. LeBron has plenty of skill people continue to deny. He's a great passer. He's an improving jump shooter, and at the very least an adequate one in the NBA. He has become a very, very good defender. LeBron does not rely only on his athleticism. Sure, he uses it, but he has plenty of skill. Even if he loses some quickness, that doesn't mean he'll lose his strength at 30. And the kid does work on his game. He's not the fanatic Kobe is, but he still works on his game and is improving. Barring a career ending type injury, LeBron will be a dominant player in the league well into his mid 30s if he chooses to play that long.

And it's not like after you pass the age of 30 you go from elite athlete to horrible athlete. While there might be regression, it won't be as drastic as you suggest. When LeBron hits around the age of 32, maybe he'll go from freakish elite athlete to great athlete. You don't just completely become nonathletic because you're passed 30. It would be a better argument to say once a player hits around the ages of 34-35, they see a noticeable decline in athleticism and production. But, 30 is still prime years. Again, barring a career ending type injury, LeBron has a good 8-10 years of being dominant in the league.


LeBron is better than Kobe now. He's probably been better the last couple seasons. But, it's not like Kobe is a slouch. Saying LeBron is better only means he's the only one better than Kobe in the league. Kobe is still at least the second best player in the league, and on some nights, for some stretches of games, he plays better than LeBron. It's close. LeBron is more dominant physically. Kobe is still more skillful and probably still has the edge in mental toughness. I'll take LeBron for the first 44 minutes of the game, and then I'll take Kobe for the final 4 minutes.

[TheManFromAcme]

Utter lunacy.

There have been plenty of freakish athletes in the NBA that never sniffed anywhere close to 30/7/7. LeBron has plenty of skill people continue to deny. He's a great passer. He's an improving jump shooter, and at the very least an adequate one in the NBA. He has become a very, very good defender. LeBron does not rely only on his athleticism. Sure, he uses it, but he has plenty of skill. Even if he loses some quickness, that doesn't mean he'll lose his strength at 30. And the kid does work on his game. He's not the fanatic Kobe is, but he still works on his game and is improving. Barring a career ending type injury, LeBron will be a dominant player in the league well into his mid 30s if he chooses to play that long.

And it's not like after you pass the age of 30 you go from elite athlete to horrible athlete. While there might be regression, it won't be as drastic as you suggest. When LeBron hits around the age of 32, maybe he'll go from freakish elite athlete to great athlete. You don't just completely become nonathletic because you're passed 30. It would be a better argument to say once a player hits around the ages of 34-35, they see a noticeable decline in athleticism and production. But, 30 is still prime years. Again, barring a career ending type injury, LeBron has a good 8-10 years of being dominant in the league.


LeBron is better than Kobe now. He's probably been better the last couple seasons. But, it's not like Kobe is a slouch. Saying LeBron is better only means he's the only one better than Kobe in the league. Kobe is still at least the second best player in the league, and on some nights, for some stretches of games, he plays better than LeBron. It's close. LeBron is more dominant physically. Kobe is still more skillful and probably still has the edge in mental toughness. I'll take LeBron for the first 44 minutes of the game, and then I'll take Kobe for the final 4 minutes.

Fair comment. :tu
As for the last comment; Eh, I'll still go with the Kobster. He's a seasoned veteran and for me that makes all the difference especially in "must win" games.

[hitmanyr2k]

Shaq, MJ, Magic didnt win without another hall of famer. But Kobe did. ANd you are right...Lebron is carrying a group of role players. What did that get him? NOTHING. When he gets another all star, maybe he'll win a ring right?

Your whole arguement is pointless.

Except for Magic your argument is completely false.

Shaq won a title without a Hall of Famer...unless some moron was calling Kobe a Hall of Famer back in 2000 :lol

Jordan won a title without a Hall of Famer....unless some moron was calling Pippen a Hall of Famer back in 1991 :lol He didn't even make the all-star team that year.

Kobe and Pippen built their resumes as their success continued and they got better after the first championship but don't even think they were HOF caliber teammates during that first title run. Gasol is in the exact position Pippen and Kobe were in back in the day. He was an all-star caliber player that was an important piece to a championship team. So, like Shaq and Jordan, Kobe won a championship with an all-star caliber player at his side. Trying to put Kobe on a pedestal for that is ridiculous.

[rAm]

Utter lunacy.

There have been plenty of freakish athletes in the NBA that never sniffed anywhere close to 30/7/7. LeBron has plenty of skill people continue to deny. He's a great passer. He's an improving jump shooter, and at the very least an adequate one in the NBA. He has become a very, very good defender. LeBron does not rely only on his athleticism. Sure, he uses it, but he has plenty of skill. Even if he loses some quickness, that doesn't mean he'll lose his strength at 30. And the kid does work on his game. He's not the fanatic Kobe is, but he still works on his game and is improving. Barring a career ending type injury, LeBron will be a dominant player in the league well into his mid 30s if he chooses to play that long.

And it's not like after you pass the age of 30 you go from elite athlete to horrible athlete. While there might be regression, it won't be as drastic as you suggest. When LeBron hits around the age of 32, maybe he'll go from freakish elite athlete to great athlete. You don't just completely become nonathletic because you're passed 30. It would be a better argument to say once a player hits around the ages of 34-35, they see a noticeable decline in athleticism and production. But, 30 is still prime years. Again, barring a career ending type injury, LeBron has a good 8-10 years of being dominant in the league.


LeBron is better than Kobe now. He's probably been better the last couple seasons. But, it's not like Kobe is a slouch. Saying LeBron is better only means he's the only one better than Kobe in the league. Kobe is still at least the second best player in the league, and on some nights, for some stretches of games, he plays better than LeBron. It's close. LeBron is more dominant physically. Kobe is still more skillful and probably still has the edge in mental toughness. I'll take LeBron for the first 44 minutes of the game, and then I'll take Kobe for the final 4 minutes.

I mean, is there any legit argument to counter this? because this is spot on.

[Native American]

It is a classic battle between lion and snake. The snake is deceptive and slippery, while the lion is mammoth and ferocious. While the snake strikes lethal, it is the lion who is able to capture the snake and mortally wound it. As the lion battles to mortally wound the snake, a hawk flies down to attack the lion seeing as it may be vulnerable. Then even though it's trapped in the jaws of the lion, the snake tears into the flesh of the hawk hen and injects its venom. More hawks fly down to attack the lion and the attacks are too much. The lion soon becomes motionless and won't even move its paws as it falls and drowns into the tall grass out of the picture of the landscape. Both predators fall. And when I say "lion and snake" of course I mean LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. And when I say "even though it's trapped in the jaws of the lion, the snake tears into the flesh of the hawk hen and injects its venom" I mean even after losing to LeBron, Kobe will tear into some ass, preferably teenage and white, and inject his mamba juice. And when I say "the lion soon becomes motionless and won't even move its paws as it falls and drowns into the tall grass out of the picture of the landscape" I mean after LeBron loses to the Hawks, he won't even shake hands and he'll avoid the media. It's quite the classic battle all right.

[DPG21920]

He is a lot more skilled than you give him credit for. His passing has nothing to do with his athleticism.

He is not as "skilled" offensively, but he is not a scrub.


I mean, is there any legit argument to counter this? because this is spot on.

I said it first, but his was longer and more in depth :lol

[hater]

only a really sad pathetic delusional lakerfan would disagree with this.

Imagine how much of a massacre it would be if Lebron played with Artest,Gasol,Odom and coached by Phil jackson?????????

they would win at least 65 games on their way to 3 straight ships

[hater]

as much as it pains me as I am not a Lebron fan, it's not a question IF Lebron will win a championship, but how many? I say he will at least match Jordan's 6

[Nash2TimeMVp]

damn lebron is hella fucking good. his jumper looks so sweet when he releases the ball

[TheMACHINE]

as much as it pains me as I am not a Lebron fan, it's not a question IF Lebron will win a championship, but how many? I say he will at least match Jordan's 6

i say we wait till he gets over the hump first.

[TampaDude]

Kobe is a baller, no doubt, but his days of dominance are coming to an end. The 2010s will belong to LeBron. If LeBron gets the talent around him that Kobe has now, the Cavs will be unstoppable.

[JamStone]

I don't see why Kobe's days of dominance are coming to an end. I think he can be one of the top 5 dominant players in the league for a good 4 more years after this one. It's not like he's 35. He's still only 31 years old. He's still putting up 28 PPG. And, his work ethic in terms of keeping his body in top physical condition, as well as his insane determination to continue to improve his game and his competitive nature all give strong indications that he will remain a dominant player in the league for several more years. Perhaps not "the" best player in the league, but still dominant.

[TheMACHINE]

nothing wrong being the #2 guy in the NBA.

[namlook]

Ultimately that really matters is the championships. Kobe and every Lakers fan will trade personal accolades for championships in a second.

[OceaNus]

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[ezau]

For the sake of equality, I would say that all this talk about Lebron carrying a bunch of scrubs is getting real old now. Yes, he does'nt have a legitimate superstar by his side, but to be honest, the cast that Lebron has right now quite possibly has the best chemistry and fits Lebron's skillset. They are faaaaraway from being scrubs, so drop that and respect the Cavs role players. These are probably one of the toughest minded and physical teams out there. These Cavaliers has surpassed the Celtics in terms of defensive prowess.


Varejao, Hikcson and Shaq are nothing to sneeze at. They will not give you ESPN highlight plays but they body up, box out and hustle like no other. Mo Williams is not an All Star but he sure can hit the lights out. Same with boobie Gibson. And despite of his bi polar disorder, Delonte West IMO is that x-factor that turns momentum up another notch when Lebron is doing his amzingness. He's a momentum turner. IF they get a healthy Leon Powe then he's just icing on the cake.


Yes, Kobe's team is much more talented, thats undeniable, but the nitty gritty mentality does not exist with Gasol, Odom, Bynum and Luke Walton. Ron Artest has really not made much of a difference defensively,and he's such a downgrade compared to Ariza offensively. Fish has dead legs and his backups could not get a lot of burn, thanks to Phil Jackson.



Right now, Cleveland though an inferior team when it comes to talent will beat the Lakers 4 times out of 7 if they meet in June. Why? because the team has exhibit their hunger and passion to prove they belong in the upper echelon of title contenders.

Well said.

[namlook]

I've never seen so much made out of regular season games. Oh wait, I know why. It's because the Lakers lost . LOL. It's all people can grasp on to for some hope. The Lakers will make their statement in the playoffs. Wait and see.

[Smooth Criminal]

Who can seriously try to deny that LeBron is not the best player in the NBA today?

It's plain as day.

By saying he's the best, YOU deny he's not the best.

[namlook]

I agree Lebron is the best when Kobe is playing with injuries. When Kobe is healthy? Nope. Not yet.

Also as far as Lebron maintaining dominance past 30, another factor no one has mentioned is he is bow legged. Bow legged people suffer from more injuries and degradation in general. This condition puts him at higher risk of breaking down as he gets older.