What happened to Laker fans proclaiming Bynum to be the next great Laker?

[djohn2oo8]

Lakers down on Andrew Bynum

Andrew Bynum hasn't made enough progress this season to keep Lakers executives happy. Bynum has been such a disappointment, he's been made available on the trading block, two different Eastern Conference sources confirmed to me this week.

While Bynum's overall numbers are pretty good (15 ppg 8.4ppg, but he's been far too quiet most nights. Bynum has also struggled to perform along side talented teammate Pau Gasol.

A source confirmed to me this week that the Lakers have taken Bynum's name off the untouchable list and would deal him for a player that they feel will give them the best chance to win another championship this season.

Peter Vecsey tossed out Raptors star Chris Bosh's name last week. This is a longshot but I'm told told Bosh loves the idea of playing in Los Angeles.

A person in the know tossed out the idea of a blockbuster trade that would send Andrew Bynum back to his home state of New Jersey. In a multi-player deal the Lakers would end up with Brook Lopez and Devin Harris of the Nets.

http://benmaller.com/archives/2010/01/22/lakers-down-on-andrew-bynum/

[The Gemini Method]

If he's going to be lacking on fulfilling on his potential, then he needs to go. He has considerable talent, but where is the heart? Where is the sustained effort that all Laker fans deserve from him? He says some really bad things and is worthless when the chips are on the table...

[ffadicted]

Brook Lopez > Andrew Bynum, so why the fuck does NJ do this

[TheManFromAcme]

Drew is what, 21?
His problem is not his tools or skills. We all know what he's capable of doing and if you deny this than you proably haven't seen the Drew I know is there but refuses to come out on a consistent basis a'la Lamar Odom. Still won't give up on him.

The boy needs to get his head out of his a$$ and play like he gives a damn. It's there alright, potential that is.

Bosh for Drew? That is stupid on so many levels. No need to go through the X's and O's with this. If the Lakers somehow go beyond just entertaining this and actually really consider it, it will be plain stupidity on their end.

Can't give up on Drew just yet.

[Reeko_Htown]

Bynum has no passion for the game or at least I haven't seen it.

It's like he doesn't even like Basketball but since he was tall it was easy for him.

[BlackSwordsMan]

it takes great big men to teach rookie big men to be great
robinson- duncan
duncan - blair

[IronMexican]

He's 21 years old and he's a Center.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

robinson- duncan
duncan - blair


:lmao

[BlackSwordsMan]

You're right I was kind of hesitant to put robinson - duncan, Duncan is a prodigy.

[BlackSwordsMan]

shaq - brooke lopez

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

shaq - brooke lopez


If you mean Shaq - brook lopez they were never on the same team, idk who the fuck brooke lopez is either.

[BlackSwordsMan]

If you mean Shaq - brook lopez they were never on the same team, idk who the fuck brooke lopez is either.

:downspin:

[The Gemini Method]

brooke lopez sounds like a porn starlet's name or a teen pop-star...

[Johnny RIngo]

it takes great big men to teach rookie big men to be great
robinson- duncan
duncan - blair

1. I know Robinson was a mentor to Duncan but how much did he really teach? TD was a 21/12 all-star player straight out of college. It's not like he was a project player like Bynum.

2. Blair's solid but I don't think he'll ever be "great".

[JamStone]

If the Lakers are serious about trading Bynum, they should look at trying to acquire Brendan Haywood from Washington along with their first round pick. As rumors have been suggesting, the Wizards are looking to blow up the whole team. Haywood is on an expiring $6 million contract and would probably fit better alongside Gasol. Mitch has that UNC connection as well. You add Washington's first round pick, that looks to be a pretty good lottery selection, and the Lakers could be looking at adding a pretty good player in the draft as well. If Washington adds a player like DeShawn Stevenson or Randy Foye, you would have a very good deal for the Lakers as both are big guards who can each play PG, hit three point shots, and defend pretty well. There is risk as the Lakers might not be able to re-sign Haywood so they could lose Bynum for just that first round pick and Stevenson/Foye. But, if they really believe Bynum can't play alongside Gasol, it might be a good risk to take. I would think Washington would agree to the deal, although including the first round pick might be a deal breaker. But, Bynum still has some pretty good value as a young center capable of 20/10. He'd instantly become a top 2 or top 3 center in the Eastern Conference.

[sook]

most laker fan admit how overrated he is except 21fuckingshits who rides his cock night and day.

[TheManFromAcme]

most laker fan admit how overrated he is except 21fuckingshits who rides his cock night and day.

Has yet to exploit his potential? Yes. Overrated? No.
It's not like he hasn't had some damn good games.
It's all mental with Drew.

[sook]

Has yet to exploit his potential? Yes. Overrated? No.
It's not like he hasn't had some damn good games.
It's all mental with Drew.

No, i would constantly see threads about him becoming a HOFer just last year. Lakaluva has been pretty good at judging him.

[TheManFromAcme]

No, i would constantly see threads about him becoming a HOFer just last year. Lakaluva has been pretty good at judging him.

Well ,the HOF'er rants are crazy at this point. I agree with you on that.
My only concern is that Bynum has that potential but refuses to tap into it on a nightly basis.

[21_Blessings]

the Lakers are serious about trading Bynum,

They aren't.


they should look at trying to acquire Brendan Haywood from Washington along with their first round pick.

Jesus christ you're dumb.

[21_Blessings]

most laker fan admit how overrated he is except 21fuckingshits who rides his cock night and day.

Where did I proclaim him as the next great Laker though? Exactly because I haven't.


No, i would constantly see threads about him becoming a HOFer just last year. Lakaluva has been pretty good at judging him.

Both those statements are completely untrue.

[ChrisRichards]

Yeah, Bynum for Haywood is an aweful trade no matter how you look at it. Haywood is made of glass.

[The Gemini Method]

The only trade I'd make right now is the Brooks/Harris one...other than that, we'll go with what we have even if it is truly finesse. Or, if somehow we could get Charles Oakley's soul transplanted into Pau Gasol's body and Wilt Chamberlain's drive into Bynum's...

[j.dizzle]

Sons how many god damn times do i gotta explain this..If Andrew is not scoring, then he is not gonna play hard on defense or rebound..If this lazy overpaid beee-ach did half of the shit Kendrick Perkins did on defense, then LA would be even better.

[21_Blessings]

Or, if somehow we could get Charles Oakley's soul transplanted into Pau Gasol's body and Wilt Chamberlain's drive into Bynum's...

Ok.....

But then you were cool with trading for two overrated players that currently are leading the Nets to a 3-38 record? Oakley by himself would have lead a lesser talented team to more wins than that.

[j.dizzle]

If he's never gonna be gonna be able to play well with Pau, then i highly recommend trading him for a defensive minded player or really good PG..Im sick of this shit, I wish he had a quarter of the attitude Kobe has.

[ChrisRichards]

Perkins for Bynum straight up and im tellin you, no one would fuck with LA after that. Someone needs to unpussify this kid.

[The Gemini Method]

I don't see the Lakers and Celtics ever making a deal that would give each other an advantage

[The Gemini Method]

Ok.....

But then you were cool with trading for two overrated players that currently are leading the Nets to a 3-38 record? Oakley by himself would have lead a lesser talented team to more wins than that.

I'm really interested in one part of that trade, 21. The upgrade at PG...the Brook part of the equation would be a wash or maybe an slight upgrade because Lopez actually looks like he gives a damn out there as opposed to the aloof way Bynum plays. I have mulled it over in my head in regards of whether or not it'll give us the required toughness and it doesn't always add up in my head that way. I really think that you couple the complacency, injuries, and opposing teams desire to beat the Lakers up and you get the main reasons why the Lakers are looking to change something up. Either way, I don't necessarily want Mitch to do something drastic, but if Bynum is going to eat up valuable time and money w/o expected returns, then why keep wasting Kobe and Gasol's twilight years with potentiality?

[ChrisRichards]

Yeah, definitely. Just throwing it out there for the sake of hypothetical conversation.

[21_Blessings]

I'm really interested in one part of that trade, 21. The upgrade at PG...

Except it won't be much of an upgrade based on how Harris is currently playing and the Lakers would be paying an extra 14 million after taxes for a 38.5% shooter. While the Lakers downgrade at center and deal with even more chemistry issues. That's one way to fuck up a team with the best record in the NBA.


the Brook part of the equation would be a wash or maybe an slight upgrade because Lopez actually looks like he gives a damn out there as opposed to the aloof way Bynum plays.

Brook looks like he gives a damn and yet his team is 3 and 38. Riiiiight. :lol And no it wouldn't be a wash at all. The Lakers get hosed on that front.

[The Gemini Method]

Except it won't be much of an upgrade based on how Harris is currently playing and the Lakers would be paying an extra 14 million for a 38.5% shooter. While the Lakers downgrade at a center and deal with even more chemistry issues.



Brook looks like he gives a damn and yet his team is 3 and 38. Riiiiight. :lol

Yeah, cuz Shannon Brown came from a title contending team...

It isn't always where you're playing that determines the way you'll play in a different venue. Winning is contagious and if you think that Brook or Devin would automatically bring our team down to the Nets' level, you don't have much credibility of logic.

[21_Blessings]

It isn't always where you're playing that determines the way you'll play in a different venue. Winning is contagious and if you think that Brook or Devin would automatically bring our team down to the Nets' level, you don't have much credibility of logic.

You have no credibility of logic when you spout a Strawman like this.

Hypocritical when you call Bynum out for his lack of effort but give Brook and Devin a pass when leading their team to a 3-38 record.

[j.dizzle]

21 blessings, whats the point of having Bynum if hes not gonna man up while while playing with Pau. LA is not gonna pay a mother fucker 14 mil a year to come off the bench.

[The Gemini Method]

Look, I'm not opposed with the idea of going with what got the team the title last year, so don't count me as a total anti-Bynum fan. I want him to do extremely well--I want the whole team to do well. We are merely discussing what's been thrown out there. In no way do I think any of this will actual happen.

[21_Blessings]

21 blessings, whats the point of having Bynum if hes not gonna man up while while playing with Pau. LA is not gonna pay a mother fucker 14 mil a year to come off the bench.

What's the point of paying Pau 19 million a year when he isn't going to man up against the Cavs playing next to Drew?

Bynum won't be coming off the bench. What the fuck are you talking about?

[ChrisRichards]

The only problem with a huge trade like that Gemini is making sure the new pieces fits in the system. Brook is already a work in progress. Asking him to suddenly understand the complexity of the Triangle mid point into the regular season with a team trying to defend its championship could be a disaster. Devin Harris is the lesser problem of the two, but still how would you incorporate a scoring guard when the team itself is already struggling in getting touches? I thought when lakers fan said "They need an upgrade at PG" they mean "defensively" to which Devin Harris is not a fan of.


Phil has said numerous times in the past that he does'nt like adding players midseason because it takes a whole training camp to get a player familiarize with his system. Not all players can fit immediately like Pau Gasol.

[j.dizzle]

What's the point of paying Pau 19 million a year when he isn't going to man up against the Cavs playing next to Drew?

Bynum won't be coming off the bench. What the fuck are you talking about?

Pau will be fine..He'll man up when hes 100% healthy. Andrew can NOT play with Pau at the same time..LA's OFFENSE flows 10x better when Odom is playing with the starters. Whats the point of having bynum if he's never gonna be able to co-exist with Pau??

[ChrisRichards]

Pau will be fine..He'll man up when hes 100% healthy. Andrew can NOT play with Pau at the same time..LA's OFFENSE flows 10x better when Odom is playing with the starters. Whats the point of having bynum is he's never gonna be able to co-exist with Pau??
If that's the case then the Lakers are missing out by starting Bynum. Its just common sense, but what the hell do i know. Phil has 10 shiny, diamond studded NBA Champibship rings.

[j.dizzle]

If that's the case then the Lakers are missing out by starting Bynum. Its just common sense, but what the hell do i know. Phil has 10 shiny, diamond studded NBA Champibship rings.
Bynum doesnt know how to pass..Odom is versatile..He can drive, pass, & he spreads the floor..With Bynum in there he just clogs the paint..Bynum has a pretty good post game but who gives a shit when he gives a half ass effort on the defensive end.

[baseline bum]

Perkins for Bynum straight up and im tellin you, no one would fuck with LA after that. Someone needs to unpussify this kid.

Perkins is one of the most underrated players in the league. I love his game. Great screens, hard fouls, physical defense, decent rebounding, etc. No way the Celtics win the 08 title without him. Still, no way in hell I'd trade Bynum for him.

[21_Blessings]

Pau will be fine..He'll man up when hes 100% healthy. Andrew can NOT play with Pau at the same time.

Except Pau didn't 'man up' in the 2008 finals when he was healthy.


.LA's OFFENSE flows 10x better when Odom is playing with the starters. Whats the point of having bynum if he's never gonna be able to co-exist with Pau??

Best record/defense in the NBA thus far and a championship last season and you're claiming they can't coexist? Good logic.

Good thing Mitch has become a smart GM and Buss is even smarter. They'll never become reactionary like some fans after a January regular season loss.

[j.dizzle]

LOL at 21 blessings..Bynum was fucking invisible in all of last years playoffs.Just get off his balls already..He has no fire for the game.

[milkshakeballa]

Except Pau didn't 'man up' in the 2008 finals when he was healthy.



Best record/defense in the NBA thus far and a championship last season and you're claiming they can't coexist? Good logic.

Good thing Mitch has become a smart GM and Buss is even smarter. They'll never become reactionary like some fans after a January regular season loss.


God damn you are a fukin homer 21.

Best record in SPITE of Pau/Drew.

Championship in spite of Pau/Drew

If you really think Pau/Drew are a good combination and have good chemistry may god have mercy on your pathetic lack of bball iq soul.

All the Laker success is becuase of Kobe/Pau/LO combination. Drew is NOT an important part of this time. When Pau was down he was. But he has shown he can't fit in with Pau...how can you not accept this?

[21_Blessings]

LOL at 21 blessings..Bynum was fucking invisible in all of last years playoffs.Just get off his balls already..He has no fire for the game.

Actually he wasn't invisible when guarding Dwight 1v1. The Lakers specifically double Dwight with Gasol on him for a reason. And he wasn't even close to healthy. Of course you wouldn't realize that.

If the Lakers do trade Bynum it will be for a guy like Bosh and I can guarantee he won't be moved by this deadline. And it won't be for two losers that are currently leading their team to a 3-38 record. Buss is all about star power.

[j.dizzle]

Actually he wasn't invisible when guarding Dwight 1v1. The Lakers specifically double Dwight with Gasol on him for a reason. And he wasn't even close to healthy. Of course you wouldn't realize that.

If the Lakers do trade Bynum it will be for a guy like Bosh and I can guarantee he won't be moved by this deadline. And it won't be for two losers that are currently leading their team to a 3-38 record. Buss is all about star power.
:lol Same excuses year after year for the guy. Shit is getting old..Wish LA never gave him that huge contract..I wouldnt be as pissed if he was makin 7-8 mil a year but hes making double that.

[21_Blessings]

Best record in SPITE of Pau/Drew.

Best record despite Kobe's broken fingers, Ron's concussion and Pau Gasol missing 17 games.


Championship in spite of Pau/Drew

No championship without Drew in 2008.


If you really think Pau/Drew are a good combination and have good chemistry may god have mercy on your pathetic lack of bball iq soul.

Pau is the backup center. He doesn't have the balls or durablity to play center for 38 minutes a night. Odom plays well with either Bynum or Gasol.

You're the only one here with a lack of bball iq soul. Best defense in the league with Bynum playing the 3rd most minutes on the team.


All the Laker success is becuase of Kobe/Pau/LO combination.

No it's not. The Lakers were the NUMBER 1 seed at one point before they even traded for Pau. That was with a 20 year old Bynum.


Drew is NOT an important part of this time. When Pau was down he was. But he has shown he can't fit in with Pau...how can you not accept this?

Your agenda is clear. YOu don't like Bynum, that's great. Thankfully you're not the Lakers GM.

[21_Blessings]

:lol Same excuses year after year for the guy. Shit is getting old..Wish LA never gave him that huge contract..I wouldnt be as pissed if he was makin 7-8 mil a year but hes making double that.

How is that an excuse when it's FACT? Freaking 14 year old Laker fans, I swear. Please tell us how Kobe diving into Andrew Bynum's knee was Bynum's fault again? Despite not being healthy Drew played in the playoffs and contributed in the finals with his 1v1 defense on Dwight.

Bynum puts up 19/11.5 when giving proper touches/minutes. He's more than earned his contract. Which isn't even bad considering the Lakers are capped regardless and has a team option on the last year.

[The Franchise]

Put Bynum on a team with less offensive talent and he will be average or below.

[j.dizzle]

LOL why u getting butthurt...We all know he was comin off a little injury but he still looked like garbage. Bynum will NEVER be a 20 & 10 player with Pau being in a Lakers jersey. I dont give a fuck how many times u say it. Your just a blind homer that doesnt know when somebody doesnt have a natural love for the game of basketball. Bynum is just a player that probably started to play the game cuz he was tall..You can just tell with his attitude..Everyone seems to see it except you for some reason.

[21_Blessings]

Put Bynum on a team with less offensive talent and he will be average or below.

No, he would be putting up Al Jefferson pre-ACL surgery numbers with better defense.

[Donkeybong]

It's funny seeing all these knee-jerk reactions due to this loss.

[21_Blessings]

I will be vindicated.

I'll guarantee that Bynum will not be moved before this year's trade deadline. If I'm wrong I won't post until the playoffs. :)

[j.dizzle]

It's funny seeing all these knee-jerk reactions due to this loss.

I can care less about one loss but when you see the same attitude for the whole season, then something has to be said.

[Baseline]

I've always thought Bynum was overrated, but the good thing is that he's still very young. It's not his fault that the Lakers overpaid him. They also overpaid Walton and Vujacic, so it's not like we haven't seen that before.

That said, you try being a big man on Kobe Bryant's team. It's no bargain.

It's hard to put up amazing numbers on 9 shots a game, especially when two or three of those shots are from offensive rebounds. Bryant has no patience for anybody but himself, so frankly I'm surprised that Bynum is doing as well as he is playing with Bryant.

[j.dizzle]

I've always thought Bynum was overrated, but the good thing is that he's still very young. It's not his fault that the Lakers overpaid him. They also overpaid Walton and Vujacic, so it's not like we haven't seen that before.

That said, you try being a big man on Kobe Bryant's team. It's no bargain.

It's hard to put up amazing numbers on 9 shots a game, especially when two or three of those shots are from offensive rebounds. Bryant has no patience for anybody but himself, so frankly I'm surprised that Bynum is doing as well as he is playing with Bryant.
My whole argument is that Bynum cares about offense more then defense..The only times he tries hard on D is when he scores points..He is lazy as hell when he doesnt get a lot of touches..All the Lakers need from him is what Boston gets from Perkins..Just play good D & rebound the ball but it seems like he wont do either if he doesnt score atleast 20 pts in a game

[21_Blessings]

My whole argument is that Bynum cares about offense more then defense..The only times he tries hard on D is when he scores points..He is lazy as hell when he doesnt get a lot of touches..All the Lakers need from him is what Boston gets from Perkins..Just play good D & rebound the ball but it seems like he wont do either if he doesnt score atleast 20 pts in a game

Except Bynum has been playing good D and rebounding despite his scoring. You want proof? Well advanced statistics prove it. So does the Lakers defensive rating.

You overreact to one game and ignore the 10 good ones. It's hilarious.

[milkshakeballa]

Except Bynum has been playing good D and rebounding despite his scoring. You want proof? Well advanced statistics prove it. So does the Lakers defensive rating.

You overreact to one game and ignore the 10 good ones. It's hilarious.


Its been proven the Lakers best defensive teams DO NOT include Bynum...so what in the fuck are you talking about????

One bad game for every 10 good????


Try ten good games this year and the rest fucking horrible....













21...get that jizz of your chin homeboy.....

[21_Blessings]

Its been proven the Lakers best defensive teams DO NOT include Bynum...so what in the fuck are you talking about????

Do you even know how defensive rating and efficiency even works? Bynum has played the 3rd most minutes on the Lakers and they are tops. Also have the lowest opp FG% which is a direct result of Bynum's altering shots. Learn how basketball works, kid.

[Ghazi]

Ok.....

But then you were cool with trading for two overrated players that currently are leading the Nets to a 3-38 record? Oakley by himself would have lead a lesser talented team to more wins than that.

you were sucking Harris's dick a few weeks ago

[milkshakeballa]

Do you even know how defensive rating and efficiency even works? Bynum has played the 3rd most minutes on the Lakers and they are tops. Also have the lowest opp FG% which is a direct result of Bynum's altering shots. Learn how basketball works, kid.


Sigh...

The Lakers best defensive lineup is as follows:

Farmar-Brown-Artest-Odom-Gasol 0.70 PPP

The Lakers 4 out of 5 WORST defensive lineups are as follows:

Fisher-Bryant-Artest-Odom-Bynum0.98 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Bynum1.01 Fisher-Bryant-Artest-Gasol-Bynum1.04 Fisher-Bryant-Odom-Gasol-Bynum1.07 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Gasol1.10

Bynum...whose played 62% of total minutes has a NET +/- of +186.

Gasol..whose only played 48% of the minutes already has a +/- of +209.

Odom, who has 65% of the minutes is at a +/- of + 229.

Lakers on offensive when each player is on the floor:

Odom 1.08 PPP
Gasol 1.15 PPP
Bynum 1.09 PPP

Defense:

Odom 0.98 PPP
Gasol 1.02 PPP
Bynum 1.02 PPP


Conclusion: The Lakers are by far a superior team when Bynum is NOT on the floor.






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Get off Bynum's dick

[Banzai]

Sigh...

The Lakers best defensive lineup is as follows:

Farmar-Brown-Artest-Odom-Gasol 0.70 PPP

The Lakers 4 out of 5 WORST defensive lineups are as follows:

Fisher-Bryant-Artest-Odom-Bynum0.98 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Bynum1.01 Fisher-Bryant-Artest-Gasol-Bynum1.04 Fisher-Bryant-Odom-Gasol-Bynum1.07 Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Gasol1.10

Bynum...whose played 62% of total minutes has a NET +/- of +186.

Gasol..whose only played 48% of the minutes already has a +/- of +209.

Odom, who has 65% of the minutes is at a +/- of + 229.

Lakers on offensive when each player is on the floor:

Odom 1.08 PPP
Gasol 1.15 PPP
Bynum 1.09 PPP

Defense:

Odom 0.98 PPP
Gasol 1.02 PPP
Bynum 1.02 PPP


Conclusion: The Lakers are by far a superior team when Bynum is NOT on the floor.






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Get off Bynum's dick

damn son..god bless.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's not really that they're superior BECAUSE of Bynum being off, but I'd say it's because Odom is a better defender than both Bynum and Gasol, at least IMO..Odom impresses me as a defender much more than either Bynum or Gasol..

Bynum is just soft IMO..he's a great scorer, very impressive and polished footwork, great size..I don't think he fits as well with the Lakers though, since he isn't usually a top 2 option when Gasol is in the lineup, and rightfully so..he doesn't seem like a guy that can just come in and focus on D + rebounding like a Kendrick Perkins, and he probably shouldn't considering his talent level..

If I'm the Lakers, I would only look to trade him if a very good PG + picks are included in a deal..not a guy like Devin Harris though, he wouldn't fit IMO..

[DazedAndConfused]

It's not really that they're superior BECAUSE of Bynum being off, but I'd say it's because Odom is a better defender than both Bynum and Gasol, at least IMO..Odom impresses me as a defender much more than either Bynum or Gasol..

Bynum is just soft IMO..he's a great scorer, very impressive and polished footwork, great size..I don't think he fits as well with the Lakers though, since he isn't usually a top 2 option when Gasol is in the lineup, and rightfully so..he doesn't seem like a guy that can just come in and focus on D + rebounding like a Kendrick Perkins, and he probably shouldn't considering his talent level..

If I'm the Lakers, I would only look to trade him if a very good PG + picks are included in a deal..not a guy like Devin Harris though, he wouldn't fit IMO..

You never trade big for small.

Bynum will be fine, he's only 22.

[ezau]

Lakers down on Andrew Bynum

Andrew Bynum hasn't made enough progress this season to keep Lakers executives happy. Bynum has been such a disappointment, he's been made available on the trading block, two different Eastern Conference sources confirmed to me this week.

While Bynum's overall numbers are pretty good (15 ppg 8.4ppg, but he's been far too quiet most nights. Bynum has also struggled to perform along side talented teammate Pau Gasol.

A source confirmed to me this week that the Lakers have taken Bynum's name off the untouchable list and would deal him for a player that they feel will give them the best chance to win another championship this season.

Peter Vecsey tossed out Raptors star Chris Bosh's name last week. This is a longshot but I'm told told Bosh loves the idea of playing in Los Angeles.

A person in the know tossed out the idea of a blockbuster trade that would send Andrew Bynum back to his home state of New Jersey. In a multi-player deal the Lakers would end up with Brook Lopez and Devin Harris of the Nets.

http://benmaller.com/archives/2010/01/22/lakers-down-on-andrew-bynum/


I think this is a fair trade. However, the Lakers are still going to be soft with a Gasol-Lopez frontcourt combo. The PG situation meanwhile will be fixed immediately by adding Harris into the the mix.

[Mike D]

I will be vindicated.

I'll guarantee that Bynum will not be moved before this year's trade deadline. If I'm wrong I won't post until the playoffs. :)
You're fine. Mitch can't trade him away unless a great deal is offered, and I don't foresee anything worth him.

A lot of people undervalue what he does for both Pau and Odom. He can be inconsistent, but he's young and coming off multiple knee injuries. All he needs is health and he will continue to grow.

[Allanon]

Bynum WILL be the next great Laker Center. He lacks the maturity and hard edge of a grown man like Shaq.

Only on the Lakers would Bynum's 15/10 be scoffed. We're spoiled with Shaq/Kareem.

Dwight Howard sucked until he reached 24. In fact, I think young Shaq was the last dominating Center at age 22.

By the time Bynum reaches 25, he'll be wiping the floor with Dwight.

Bynum >>> Lopez
Lopez is a decent center but his numbers are padded.

Lopez has shot over 100 more shots than Bynum and only leads him by only 3 points. And his defense is soft, look at the Nets record and how many points teams score on the Nets in the paint.

[Mike D]

Dwight Howard sucked until he reached 24. In fact, I think young Shaq was the last dominating Center at age 22.



I think you're off on this assessment of Howard. Howard did not suck, and has not sucked. Had holes in his game, struggled, had his inconsistencies from time to time? Yes. He's been the face of the franchise since he came into the league and the cornerstone in which the team was built around. Teams game planned to stop him and he was the focal point of opposing defenses after his first year or two. That's a far cry from the situation Drew came into, where he had a player at the top of the game to feed him easy points (and he still does in Kobe) and make the game easier.

At 22 Dwight Howard was averaging 20/14/1.3a/1s/2b.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818/career;_ylt=AsEH3SYOtTfa97Tw28aHJSnzPKB4

Would Drew average better number than he currently does if he had more touches and poor rebounders around him as D12 does? Certainly. Would he be able to carry a team on the defensive end, on the glass, and still be good enough on offense to shoulder the burdens that come with being the number 1 guy? We can't say.

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Bynum WILL be the next great Laker Center. He lacks the maturity and hard edge of a grown man like Shaq.

Only on the Lakers would Bynum's 15/10 be scoffed. We're spoiled with Shaq/Kareem.

Dwight Howard sucked until he reached 24. In fact, I think young Shaq was the last dominating Center at age 22.

By the time Bynum reaches 25, he'll be wiping the floor with Dwight.

Bynum >>> Lopez
Lopez is a decent center but his numbers are padded.

Lopez has shot over 100 more shots than Bynum and only leads him by only 3 points. And his defense is soft, look at the Nets record and how many points teams score on the Nets in the paint.
i love the picture of the kardashians sisters.

[Allanon]

I think you're off on this assessment of Howard. Howard did not suck, and has not sucked. Had holes in his game, struggled, had his inconsistencies from time to time? Yes. He's been the face of the franchise since he came into the league and the cornerstone in which the team was built around. Teams game planned to stop him and he was the focal point of opposing defenses after his first year or two. That's a far cry from the situation Drew came into, where he had a player at the top of the game to feed him easy points (and he still does in Kobe) and make the game easier.

At 22 Dwight Howard was averaging 20/14/1.3a/1s/2b.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818/career;_ylt=AsEH3SYOtTfa97Tw28aHJSnzPKB4

Would Drew average better number than he currently does if he had more touches and poor rebounders around him as D12 does? Certainly. Would he be able to carry a team on the defensive end, on the glass, and still be good enough on offense to shoulder the burdens that come with being the number 1 guy? We can't say.

When I say sucked, I mean it relatively. Similar to Bynum "sucking" while averaging 15/10.

Dwight has never actually sucked in the literal sense until last year, it was always "if only Dwight did this or did that or learned this or learned that".

Bynum doesn't suck either..he's actually pretty good, I just know he can be a helluva alot better.

Like I said, by the time Bynum reaches 25, he'll be owning the Center spot.

[Allanon]

i love the picture of the kardashians sisters.

I'm glad you liked it, I gotta make up some more :lol

[Cry Havoc]

:lmao at a thread where Laker fan calls people and other Laker fan stupid for disagreeing with him.

[himat]

Hey Bynum all I need from you today is 16 points and 5 rebounds to win my matchup in my fantasy league. Can you please stop being a **** and do that for me? Thank you.

[Goran Dragic]

Dwight Howard sucked until he reached 24.


Dwight Howard turned 24 a little over a month ago, I wasn't aware he sucked up until that point.

[TJastal]

Bynum's problem is he is pretty damn good and proved it earlier this year when Gasoft was nursing his hamstring and now that his counterpart in the paint is back his numbers are way down again and he's pouting. His ego can't handle it.

If he was a team player that was primarily concerned about winning or even an honorable one that wanted to live up to the contract he signed, he would suck it up and give it 100%. He's not, thus the lazy pouty indifference.

And the rest of the league thanks you, Drew.

[z0sa]

There's a reason Kobe wanted him traded.





:lol

[21_Blessings]

Bynum shitted all over the RuPaul of big men tonight. To bad no one passed Drew the ball in the fourth.

[mavs>spurs2]

The problem is Bynum has this enormous POTENTIAL that people seem to be mistaking for actual present day skill. He still looks a little goofy and uncoordinated with his footwork and post moves. Granted that, he's still a fine player TODAY with enormous future potential. He's going through growing pains. Isn't he still like 21 or 22 years old? When someone grows so quickly so fast, it sometimes takes several years for their hand eye coordination to catch back up. He looks to be about 7'2 out there on the court to me now. The only way that will be straightened out is if Kobe sacrifices a few of his 30+ shots per game and those touches to inside to pao/bynum. They're the 2 most efficient players on the team and need to get more shots, especially Bynum who is so young and developing before it stunts his growth as a player.

[Iceman101]

Bynum should work with Hakeem

[j.dizzle]

I aint gonna blame Bynum today..He actually made Bosh look like a lil beee-ach..He had some bad D on some drives but I give him a pass..If Fisher lets guards assault him every game, then something has to be done. He needs to man up & come off the bench..He cant even score anymore.

[duhoh]

it takes great big men to teach rookie big men to be great
robinson- duncan
duncan - blair

blair & duncan is nothing like d-rob w/ duncan.

:lmao

[pauls931]

Bynum should work with Hakeem

No can do because Kobe is taking up all of Hakeem's time.

[TinTin]

it takes great big men to teach rookie big men to be great
robinson- duncan
duncan - blair

I think I saw a video where robinson was already amazed at tim duncan's arsenal. Don't think he taught him that much o_O

[2Cleva]

Just to interject some facts to this thread.

The Lakers don't want to trade Bynum. Phil does. His whole "win with men" motif. Nothing knew - he tried to get Kobe traded as well early on, even after winning the first ring with him.

Phil tries to snuggle up to his superstar so hard that he throws everyone else under the bus. His mouthpieces (Rosen/Vescey) are now doing to Bynum the same thing they did with Kobe almost 10 years ago. Blame Bynum for everything.

The true problem with LA is the PG position. Fisher is done. Shannon isn't ready to run the offense. Farmar isn't a playmaker for others nor can defend.

[Kai]

most laker fan admit how overrated he is except 21fuckingshits who rides his cock night and day.

:lol

[DazedAndConfused]

Bynum is only 22 and came into the league the youngest and perhaps most raw center there has ever been.

I'd reserve judgement on his ceiling for a few years. He's doing fine thus far into his career.

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

25 points on 11/13 shooting, 10 boards, 3/3 from the free throw line. He's having a good game and some laker fans want him gone, Wtf!!

[Allanon]

Andrew Wilt-Jabar-Robinson Bynum.

'nuff said.

[resistanze]

Andrew Wilt-Jabar-Robinson Bynum.

'nuff said.

Kobe needs to be going to Bynum for lessons, not Hakeem fucking Olajuwon.

[resistanze]

You're normally a pretty safe poster.

:lmao

[resistanze]

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/hubble2016/lakers526-3-012710.jpg

Rookie mistake.

[21_Blessings]

I fuckign hate dahntay jones

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Help me out here Lakerfan, is it just me, or has Shannon Brown started force up as many shots as he can ever since dropping 20+ on Orlando.....seems like that game made him a cocky idiot.

[Allanon]

Help me out here Lakerfan, is it just me, or has Shannon Brown started force up as many shots as he can ever since dropping 20+ on Orlando.....seems like that game made him a cocky idiot.

I don't know exactly when it happened but Shannon does shoot too much.

Still, I love the guy.

[21_Blessings]

Both Farmar and Brown shoot too much. To be fair though, the Lakers play at a much faster tempo with Farmar and Brown in the game.

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

Help me out here Lakerfan, is it just me, or has Shannon Brown started force up as many shots as he can ever since dropping 20+ on Orlando.....seems like that game made him a cocky idiot.

Brown was 1 for 9, yikes.... Let's trade this guy. He flat out sucks.

I agree he's shooting way too much but I rather have him shooting than that Dumbo looking boy, Fartmar

[Pelicans78]

i fuckign hate dahntay jones

+1

[j.dizzle]

Sons, Bynum is playing better then Pau lately. If he keeps it up & Pau mans up then this shit will be a joy to watch.. I'm starting to see the Bynum of Jan come alive. Kobe & Drew shot a combined 22 for 29 from the field today, beautiful.

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

Kobe & Drew shot a combined 22 for 29 from the field today, beautiful.


Son that's why Miami Heat/Chris Richards haven't even showed up. They can't bash on Kobe's shooting pct. for the last two games, which is at 60%. :lol

[21_Blessings]

If he keeps it up & Pau mans up then this shit will be a joy to watch.. .

Pau isn't going to man up. He is who he is. Which is why you don't trade Bynum for another soft-ass ball-gag bitch like Bosh.

[IronMexican]

:hat

[j.dizzle]

Pau isn't going to man up. He is who he is. Which is why you don't trade Bynum for another soft-ass ball-gag bitch like Bosh.
I would never want Bosh..He's even softer then Pau. Andrew always owns him head to head..I just wanna see him putting up monster numbers & play harder vs elite teams like Denver, Cle, & Boston.

[IronMexican]

Just give Bynum time. He's 7 foot with sky high potential.

[21_Blessings]

Bynum should have had 35 tonight. He's not going to put up monster numbers every night playing with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol.

Leave the personal statistics at the door. It's winning championships time. That's all that matters.

[j.dizzle]

I dont expect 25 & 10 vs elite teams but if he plays hard on D & gets 8-12 shots I'll be happy. Phil is wierd as hell though, he always pulls Andrew out when hes hot & nobody on the second unit cares about throwing it into the post..He would of easily scored 30-40 tonight if they kept going to him..Oh well

[Allanon]

I would never want Bosh..he's soft

Agreed; especially since he's a max or close to max player. Now if he was a cheap $5 million player in a Morrison trade, he'd be well worth it. :lol

[ClippersDynasty]

Let me know when Bynum steps up like this in a big game against a legit front line. We'll see what he does against Boston this weekend... I'll say 8 and 4 in 21 minutes :lol

[HANNIBAL SMITH]

Let me know when Bynum steps up like this in a big game against a legit front line. We'll see what he does against Boston this weekend... I'll say 8 and 4 in 21 minutes :lol



:lol Long as the Lakers win, i dont give a shit if he puts up that. The Lakers never seem to give him the ball when they play elite teams either, they try to "pound it down low" with Gasol only to see him get biatched. Bynum can score against damn near anybody in the post 1 on 1, the Lakers on most nights totally ignore him. Like yesterday, he had 22 points on 10-12 shooting in the first half, the second half he only got 2 shots, and made them both.

That was a game he should of had 40 points easily they way he was scoring, the Lakers didn't even look for him in that second half. I cant complains since the Lakers won, but that pretty much sums it up on how the Lakers work mismatches, we unless it's Kobe or Gasol, we don't exploit that shit often when drew has em.

[HANNIBAL SMITH]

Oh yeah, the Lakers would be fools to trade Bynum for an even softer bigman in Bosh. All this move does is make the Lakers into a run and gun team ala Phoenix.

[RsxPiimp]

Just give Bynum time. He's 7 foot with sky high potential.

Sky high is an exaggeration. He's a 22 and 11 player in a course of a full 82 game season at best. Im not impress with Bynum simply because he does'nt exert enough effort defensively. He's a good defensive player with the Lakers by default, but the kid just does'nt have the fire to do some damage defensively which is quite a shame considering his built.



I think a player like Kendrick Perkins instead of Bynum would truly change the landscape of the Lakers defensively.

[HANNIBAL SMITH]

Sky high is an exaggeration. He's a 22 and 11 player in a course of a full 82 game season at best. Im not impress with Bynum simply because he does'nt exert enough effort defensively. He's a good defensive player with the Lakers by default, but the kid just does'nt have the fire to do some damage defensively which is quite a shame considering his built.



I think a player like Kendrick Perkins instead of Bynum would truly change the landscape of the Lakers defensively.


Kendrick Perkins playing on the lakers = Would foul out before halftime. He only gets away with that physical play shit because he plays in Boston. Look at Ron Artest, he cant even play his game with the Lakers, he's getting fouls tacked on him quick when guarding people now than he was when he played in Houston, Sac and Indiana.

[Allanon]

19 points and 11 rebounds for Andrew Wilt-Jabar Bynum

He outscored BOTH of the Celtics starting Big Men.

Kevin Garnett 10 point 9 rebounds
Kendrick Perkins 8 points 10 rebounds

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

And Phil trusted him in the last minutes over Paula Gasol

[21_Blessings]

We need a youtube of Bynum physically shitting in KGs mouth asap.

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

We need a youtube of Bynum physically shitting in KGs mouth asap.

I'll see what I can do.

[j.dizzle]

Sons, thats what the fuck Im talkin about..Drew has been playing better then Pau. After Pau got his extension he's played pretty shitty (hamstrings maybe) but its a good feeling to know Bynum manned up when Pau was playin timid n shit. Plus Phil gave him crunch time minutes which will do wonders to a young player. Post that slam on KG if ya'll got it

[21_Blessings]

Gasol turned into Kwame Brown there in the 4th. It was weird. Must have been his yeast infection.

[j.dizzle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySxAPjXhu2s

[j.dizzle]

he even stared down KG after that shit hahahahaha dude is turning into a man

[Allanon]

ySxAPjXhu2s

Sons,

[youtube]ySxAPjXhu2s[/youtobe]

I mis-spelled the last youtube so you can see the code for it. The middle gibberish code is the part after the v= in your link :lol

Is it me or has Bynum got his legs back? He looks athletic again.

[IronMexican]

Beast.

[Killakobe81]

If we get that bynum even for a 2 out of 3 games we set ...
I thought part of the problem vs. Cavs was Bynum not getting enough touches

[Obstructed_View]

I thought Bynum was pretty goddamn good against Boston. Gotta love him for dunking on KG while he was still running his fucking mouth.

[LOL texans]

If we get that bynum even for a 2 out of 3 games we set ...
I thought part of the problem vs. Cavs was Bynum not getting enough touches

NO.

The problem against the Cavs is that Lebron is a superior basketball player to that criminal Kobe.