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spursncowboys
01-25-2010, 09:45 AM
How Many Senators Are More Liberal than the Socialist One? (http://feeds.cato.org/%7Er/Cato-at-liberty/%7E3/PdBqaf1Ahd8/)

from Cato @ Liberty (http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cato-at-liberty.org%2Ffeed%2F) by David Boaz2 people liked this


By David Boaz
In a profile (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/18/AR2010011803526_pf.html) of the poetry-reading chief of staff to Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT), the Washington Post calls Sanders not only “the only socialist in the U.S. Congress,” but also “surely [the Senate's] most liberal [member].” Surely. I mean, he’s a socialist, right? (And by the way, that isn’t a label (http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=7b6eba9b-67f5-4d8f-bc75-ce63a07035d2) that Sanders rejects (http://www.democracynow.org/2006/11/8/vermonts_bernie_sanders_becomes_first_socialist).)
Well, maybe not. According to the National Taxpayers Union (http://www.ntu.org/misc_items/rating/VS_2008.pdf), 42 senators in 2008 voted to spend more tax dollars than socialist Bernie Sanders. They include his neighbor Pat Leahy; Californians Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, who just can’t understand why their home state is in fiscal trouble; and the Eastern Seaboard anti-taxpayer Murderers’ Row of Kerry, Dodd, Lieberman, Clinton, Schumer, Lautenberg, Menendez, Carper, Biden, Cardin, and Mikulski (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2007/06/15/the-mikulski-principle/). Don’t carry cash on Amtrak! Not to mention Blanche Lambert Lincoln and Mark Pryor of Arkansas, who apparently think Arkansans don’t pay taxes so federal spending is free. Sen. Barack Obama didn’t vote often enough to get a rating in 2008, but in 2007 (http://www.ntu.org/misc_items/rating/VS_2007.pdf) he managed to be one of the 11 senators who voted for more spending than the socialist senator.
Meanwhile, the American Conservative Union rated (http://www.acuratings.org/2008senate.htm) 11 senators more liberal than Sanders in 2008, including Biden, Boxer, Feinstein, and again the georgraphically confused Mark Pryor. The Republican Liberty Caucus declared (http://www.republicanliberty.org/LibDex/LI_2008.pdf) 14 senators, including Sanders, to have voted 100 percent anti-economic freedom in 2008, though Sanders voted better than 31 colleagues in support of personal liberties. The liberal Americans for Democratic Action provides more support for the Post’s claim, rating Sanders 100 percent liberal (http://www.adaction.org/media/votingrecords/2008.pdf). Most raters, though, don’t see it that way. In this compilation of ratings (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Comparison/Maps/Apr09.html) from left-leaning interest groups, 17 senators get higher scores than Sanders.
It almost seems that an avowed socialist is middle-of-the-road among Senate Democrats.

Winehole23
01-25-2010, 09:54 AM
Is it Bernie Sander's socialism that makes him "middle of the road", or is that just a convenient rhetorical prop?

TeyshaBlue
01-25-2010, 10:48 AM
Really. After a title like that, you actually read it?

Winehole23
01-25-2010, 10:51 AM
It was pretty short.

EVAY
01-25-2010, 11:20 AM
It was pretty short.

Unfortunately, it wasn't short enough to keep it from being convoluted.

SouthernFried
01-25-2010, 11:59 AM
Pretty much right on...(or is that left on?)

...and nothing anyone here shouldn't already know.

Just stating the public record, that everyone has access to.

...and so it goes.

mogrovejo
01-25-2010, 12:20 PM
I've always thought that within the current state of the Democrats and relatively to the Obama Administration, Bernie Sanders was pretty moderate.

balli
01-25-2010, 12:26 PM
snc really is retarded. Like mentally disabled. You guys shouldn't seriously respond to threads that are incoherent and exist to pimp the 'ideas' of think tanks. This moron might think he's not as dumb as he is.

Winehole23
01-25-2010, 12:35 PM
Sanders comes from New England village democracy as much as anything else.

Marcus Bryant
01-25-2010, 04:42 PM
Is it "socialist" to oppose a federal government bailout of large financial services firms?

And if I had to guess, Sanders probably doesn't get a 'most liberal' ranking due to his views on firearms ownership.

Further, what a clueless fucking political culture we live in when everything is black or white, either or, us v them, or 1 or 0. Our politics are mapped in a linear fashion, otherwise the majority of the country would be unable to understand. "Liberal" on the far left end of the line and "conservative" on the far right end. That there might be other viewpoints is beyond the comprehension level of most Americans.

Not to mention the usage of the term liberal itself, which has been bastardized for some time.

spursncowboys
01-25-2010, 04:44 PM
snc really is retarded. Like mentally disabled. You guys shouldn't seriously respond to threads that are incoherent and exist to pimp the 'ideas' of think tanks. This moron might think he's not as dumb as he is.
You said Mao did alot of good to the ones who survived.

Wild Cobra
01-26-2010, 12:43 PM
Is it Bernie Sander's socialism that makes him "middle of the road", or is that just a convenient rhetorical prop?
Well, I think labels are often misapplied. Our ultra-liberal democrats do go way past socialism. Never really followed Sanders, but I have though of him as a European style socialist. These democrats in congress, I think, have become so authoritarian, they don't believe in personal freedoms for us serf. They only talk as if they care. The bottom line for them, seems obvious to me, that they do whatever they can for more power. I see them as only ultra-leftist, to appeal to as many minority groups as possible, in an attempt to control the outcome in elections, to their favor.

I see them however, as the harbinger of death for the America we all love.

Marcus Bryant
01-26-2010, 12:45 PM
Well, I think labels are often misapplied. Our ultra-liberal democrats do go way past socialism. Never really followed Sanders, but I have though of him as a European style socialist. These democrats in congress, I think, have become so authoritarian, they don't believe in personal freedoms for us serf. They only talk as if they care. The bottom line for them, seems obvious to me, that they do whatever they can for more power. I see them as only ultra-leftist, to appeal to as many minority groups as possible, in an attempt to control the outcome in elections, to their favor.

I see them however, as the harbinger of death for the America we all love.

You mean the nationalistic, socialistic one you love.

Marcus Bryant
01-26-2010, 12:46 PM
Keep yer authoritarian socialism off mah Medikare!

Wild Cobra
01-26-2010, 12:58 PM
You mean the nationalistic, socialistic one you love.
My arguments may lead to an appearance of that, but that would be because I usually end up arguing against the radical left. There are bad parts of what you are calling nationalism, but I don't see them as near the threat as I do authoritarian liberalism.

Marcus Bryant
01-26-2010, 01:01 PM
Or, you don't recognize this nation as it is. Grafting the notion of the Republic of old on the current warfare-welfare state didn't take.

Marcus Bryant
02-06-2010, 03:51 PM
The amusing thing is that "conservatives" have some things in common with the socialist Senator from Vermont which are core ideals. Be it skepticism or outright hostility towards TARP and the Federal Reserve, support for 2nd amendment rights, and support for the family farm.

Assuming linearity for the spectrum of American political ideology is a mistake, IMO. Or, the linearity between the two points of "socialism" and "freedom" or what not. The line to draw is between the people or localities and the big guvmint-big bidness orgy.

Marcus Bryant
02-06-2010, 04:01 PM
Further, since when is socialism liberalism? Or, do the heirs to classical liberalism miss the distinction?

ChumpDumper
02-06-2010, 04:29 PM
Bush was a socialist too.

Marcus Bryant
02-06-2010, 04:32 PM
By the standards of the day, yes.