Captain Kirk To The Lakers?

[RedsLakers24]

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Kirk Hinrich to the Lakers a Possibility…

The Lakers have been in the market for a starting point guard most of the season, with Derek Fisher shooting under 40% from the field and from three-point range. Kirk Hinrich would provide a viable defensive point guard who can knock down an open shot, even though he is also shooting under 40% from the field.

Basically Hinrich would provide some fresh legs on the court for the Lakers. He could be that spark that D-Fish use to be when he was a bit younger. If the Lakers pull the trigger on a deal for Hinrich, look for them to finish even stronger down the stretch. If this trade is a possibility, Danny Ainge may also want to inquire about Hinrich’s services. Kirk could take the place of Tony Allen off the bench; it would give them an extra offensive option and a winning player who oculd fit in their system. It would also give the Celtics a chance to rest their vets down the stretch of the season.

In either scenario the Bulls would receive expiring contracts in exchange for Kirk Hinrich. The extra cap space would allow the Bulls to get even further under the salary cap to offer a bigger deal to free agents. If the Bulls could also move John Salmons for expiring contracts, they would then have enough money to offer max contracts to two players.

Look for the Bulls to be a hot topic of free agent talk in the coming months.


http://indyposted.com/9644/kirk-hinrich-to-the-lakers-a-possibility/

[21_Blessings]

no

[himat]

I think that wouldn't be a good move.

Derek Fisher: Struggling with shot, plays solid defense, lots of experience in playoffs.

Kirk Hinrich: Struggling with shot, plays solid defense, little experience in playoffs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

^Fisher doesn't play solid defense anymore :lol

[himat]

^Fisher doesn't play solid defense anymore :lol

Really? I just assumed that.:lol

I still don't think Hinrich is going to be the Lakers savior...if they need one. How many players do they need? They can win a championship with what they have if they just can mesh. Sometimes it is detrimental to have too many good players. Check 04 Lakers.

[ffadicted]

Upgrade, but nah

[Chieflion]

If the Lakers get Hinrich, then they would have almost no flaws on defense to exploit. So, why do the Bulls do this to make the Lakers unstoppable?

[Andrew Bynum]

I can already see the headline

"The Rich get HinRicher"

Seriously though this would be a huge upgrade on D, his O is sketchy though, he shooting like 38%. Whoever said Fisher plays solid D is completely talking out of his ass and knows nothing.

[ffadicted]

If the Lakers get Hinrich, then they would have almost no flaws on defense to exploit. So, why do the Bulls do this to make the Lakers unstoppable?

Cuz with this and a few moves they can get Bosh-Lebron/Wade-Rose next year and be better then the lakers lol

[Chieflion]

Cuz with this and a few moves they can get Bosh-Lebron/Wade-Rose next year and be better then the lakers lol
LOL Pipedream. They might as well gut the whole team and keep Taj Gibson, Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose and send the rest of them packing.

[ffadicted]

LOL Pipedream. They might as well gut the whole team.

Just saying, I don't think Chicago really gives a shit about how good the lakers are considering they'll never play against each other in the playoffs as is. And if they can get enough capspace, I can see all three of Lebron/Wade/Bosh very interested, and the potential to get Bosh and one of the other two, which along with Rose makes them the most kickass fucking team in the league on paper lol

Plus, Chicago is a big market too

[Allanon]

Hinrich hit 80 games before his fat contract extension.

He's been steadily playing fewer and fewer games since then.

And his production keeps going down. Coincidentally, as well, his contract was frontloaded and gets lower and lower as the years go by.

$10 million a year for a 10 point player who keeps playing fewer and fewer games each year until his contract year?

Hinrich to me is a dude that plays basketball just for the money, No thanks.

[Chieflion]

Just saying, I don't think Chicago really gives a shit about how good the lakers are considering they'll never play against each other in the playoffs as is. And if they can get enough capspace, I can see all three of Lebron/Wade/Bosh very interested, and the potential to get Bosh and one of the other two, which along with Rose makes them the most kickass fucking team in the league on paper lol

Plus, Chicago is a big market too
We know that Chicago is a big market and there is a big chance to strike big there. It is also Wade's hometown, I believe. It will be a scary team, but that is a long shot. The thing is not about the free agents going where. It is about who signs a contract first. I believe Bosh may make his decision first and Wade or LeBron would weigh in and then make their decision. But that is just my opinion. That is what excites people the most about the 2010 FA market.

[XFactor]

I think that wouldn't be a good move.

Derek Fisher: Struggling with shot, plays solid defense, lots of experience in playoffs.

Kirk Hinrich: Struggling with shot, plays solid defense, little experience in playoffs.

He's played 25 games in the playoffs. Not alot but I wouldn't consider that little experience. He doesn't just play solid defense, he plays great defense. Pat Riley was quoted as saying he's one of the best defending point guards in the league. He does struggle with his shots but then again the Lakers don't need much offense from him.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

With the Bulls on a roll since inserting Kirk in the starting lineup, I highly doubt they trade him to LA

[Chillen]

Hinrich was a monster against Boston, he may have little experience in the playoffs, but he competes hard night in and night out. If the Lakers could land Hinrich, that would boost their shot at a repeat really high.

[HarlemHeat37]

I said the Lakers should get him a few months ago when one of the Laker fans here was saying they should get Calderon..

Hinrich on the Lakers would be scary..he really is a very good perimeter defender, which is one of their main flaws..I also think it's very possible that his offense gets a spark from going to a better team and getting a change of scenery, this is the case most of the time..

[FkLA]

Hinrich hit 80 games before his fat contract extension.

He's been steadily playing fewer and fewer games since then.

And his production keeps going down. Coincidentally, as well, his contract was frontloaded and gets lower and lower as the years go by.

$10 million a year for a 10 point player who keeps playing fewer and fewer games each year until his contract year?

Hinrich to me is a dude that plays basketball just for the money, No thanks.

Ridiculous.

Hinrich busts his ass out on the court, he is far from being one of those players that simply plays for the money. His production decrease also has alot to do with his role/minutes/starting spot decreasing when they drafted Rose.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Ridiculous.

Hinrich busts his ass out on the court, he is far from being one of those players that simply plays for the money. His production decrease also has alot to do with his role/minutes/starting spot decreasing when they drafted Rose.

I agree entirely with that. Allanon has obviously never seen Hinrich get fired up or looked closely at the general intensity with which he plays.

The fact that he got overpaid (which he certainly did - he's an MLE player really) is not his fault and doesn't diminish his competitive fire.

[21_Blessings]

I said the Lakers should get him a few months ago

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Hinrich to the Lakers rumors have been around for about 4 years now.

[2Cleva]

Indeed they have.


...Brown's primary role figures to be as a replacement for Salmons or Hinrich, maybe even Luol Deng, should the Bulls succeed in making another trade before the Feb. 18 deadline.

There is no guarantee that will happen, since most NBA teams are reluctant to take on any extra salary right now. Hinrich has two more years remaining on his contract at a total of $17 million. That's not outrageous by NBA standards but definitely above market value.

A source confirmed the Bulls have had discussions with the Lakers about Hinrich, most likely for Adam Morrison and Sasha Vujacic, but nothing is imminent.....

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=354128

[pauls931]

^Fisher doesn't play solid defense anymore :lol

Yes he does, but in fisher land solid defense consists of hand checking, grabbing, and pushing who you're defending whenever they're within arm's reach.

[21_Blessings]

Why would any team want Sasha?

[anakha]

Why would any team want Sasha?

Photo-ops with Sharapova?

[2Cleva]

Why would any team want Sasha?

Chi doesn't want Sasha - they want all last year's for Kirk. Problem for them is no one will give them.

If its Sasha/Morrison for Hinrich (which would only happen deadline if no one offers anything better), Chicago at least clears an additional $4 mil for cap space this summer.

[hater]

with Derek Fisher shooting under 40% from the field and from three-point range. Kirk Hinrich would provide a viable defensive point guard who can knock down an open shot, even though he is also shooting under 40% from the field.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[TheMACHINE]

the issue isnt if we want Hinrich for Fisher. Fisher aint going anywhere. Its who we give up for Hinrich...it looks like Farmar, Ammo or maybe Sasha.

I say we do it. lol

[jermaine]

no
I'm with you! I pray you'll don't get him. He was wetting our ass up at will. I wish the Spurs would trade Parker for Kirk an tyrus Thomas!

[hater]

:lol at some stupid lakerfans not wanting Kirk to replace Fisher's rotting carcass

[LakeShow]

Seems like a smart Lakersfan to me. I have no problem with Kirk but not at the expense of giving up Fisher. If that what it takes, no deal. The Lakers need Fisher in the playoffs, screw the regular season.

[The Gemini Method]

I thought William Shattner was going to suit up for us...That would've made us pretty much un stop pa ble.

[RsxPiimp]

Seems like a smart Lakersfan to me. I have no problem with Kirk but not at the expense of giving up Fisher. If that what it takes, no deal. The Lakers need Fisher in the playoffs, screw the regular season.

As far as I can tell, the Lakers are set in the PG spot. Phil just needs to give more playing time to Farmar and Brown. Reserve Fisher on those tigh, clutch situations. That being said, its still not a bad idea to upgrade. Hinrich is above and beyond a better guard than Fisher whose been playing the worst basktetball of his career. I think he's dead last in PER among NBA starters.

[LakeShow]

As far as I can tell, the Lakers are set in the PG spot. Phil just needs to give more playing time to Farmar and Brown. Reserve Fisher on those tigh, clutch situations. That being said, its still not a bad idea to upgrade. Hinrich is above and beyond a better guard than Fisher whose been playing the worst basketball of his career. I think he's dead last in PER among NBA starters.

It's true fisher is struggling this season, he also struggled last season in the regular season and you see how he came thru in the playoffs. Fisher never could guard quick guards, even during the Lakers 3 peat run but he does the intangibles and he's clutch when you need him most. I'm all for giving Brown and Farmar all the minutes in the regular season but I and Phil trust Fisher more in the playoffs. Fisher stays and retires a Los Angeles Lakers.

[XFactor]

Seems like a smart Lakersfan to me. I have no problem with Kirk but not at the expense of giving up Fisher. If that what it takes, no deal. The Lakers need Fisher in the playoffs, screw the regular season.

You realize if you guys had Hinrich instead of Fisher last year, you wouln't have been pushed to 7 games by the Rockets and probably would have finished the Magic in 4. Just saying, ya Fisher provides the 'clutch' aspect of the game but I doubt you guys would even be in that position with a guard who can defend really good.

Your worries shouldn't be about losing a clutch player during the playoffs but can Hinrich learn the Triangle offense easily and run it? That was one of the reasons why you guys got Fisher back from Utah was because he knew the system really good. From what I understand the triangle offense takes time to master.

[LakeShow]

You realize if you guys had Hinrich instead of Fisher last year, you wouln't have been pushed to 7 games by the Rockets and probably would have finished the Magic in 4. Just saying, ya Fisher provides the 'clutch' aspect of the game but I doubt you guys would even be in that position with a guard who can defend really good... Just my 2 cents.

See that's the thing. We don't know. Who's to say we even beat the Rockets with Kirk? What I do know is that with Fisher the Lakers have won 4 titles. I rather take my chances with him this season.

Edit: Don't get me wrong if the Lakers can pull it off without fisher, I'm for it. I just feel more comfortable with a proven veteran and leader in the playoffs for the lakers.

[lefty]

I think that wouldn't be a good move.

Derek Fisher: Struggling with shot, plays solid defense, lots of experience in playoffs.

Kirk Hinrich: Struggling with shot, plays solid defense, little experience in playoffs.
Good comparison

[lefty]

I thought William Shattner was going to suit up for us...That would've made us pretty much un stop pa ble.
Naah

He is from Montreal, he would have played for the Canadiens

[LOL@MavsFan]

He looked like John Paxson last night against the Spurs....take him!

[XFactor]

See that's the thing. We don't know. Who's to say we even beat the Rockets with Kirk? What I do know is that with Fisher the Lakers have won 4 titles. I rather take my chances with him this season.

Edit: Don't get me wrong if the Lakers can pull it off without fisher, I'm for it. I just feel more comfortable with a proven veteran and leader in the playoffs for the lakers.

Fisher is like Robert Horry who happens to be on the team at the right time. Horry played with Olajuwon, Shaq, and Duncan, arguably top 5 Big man of all time. Believe it or not I think Kobe and Shaq could have done it without Fisher. But like I said I think you guys will be missing his knowledge on the triangle offense more than his experience in the playoffs.

[LakeShow]

Fisher is like Robert Horry who happens to be on the team at the right time. Horry played with Olajuwon, Shaq, and Duncan, arguably top 5 Big man of all time. Believe it or not I think Kobe and Shaq could have done it without Fisher. But like I said I think you guys will be missing his knowledge on the triangle offense more than his experience in the playoffs.

I agree. Far as Kobe and Shaq without Fish, the world will never know. History says that they did not win without Fish.

That's why I would not get rid of Fisher, if Kirk catches on and fits in well with the triangle, fine. If he doesn't work out, the Lakers have Fish. I'm more comfortable with that scenario.

[TheMACHINE]

the trade isnt hinrich for fisher guys. Come on now.

[21_Blessings]

If its Sasha/Morrison for Hinrich (which would only happen deadline if no one offers anything better), Chicago at least clears an additional $4 mil for cap space this summer.

Sasha's contract is bad and he's an even worse player. Chicago would ask for Farmar or Brown + Ammo in such a deal. It's not like Hinrich is playing that well or anything so it would be a minimal upgrade over Brown/Farmar at the cost of about 20-30million extra after taxes for Buss. Farmar would make sense as there's a good chance he leaves in the off-season. But at that point I'd bet the Lakers would rather use their MLE on a pg than pay Hinrich 9 million for two more years. Could have just kept and overpaid Ariza if Buss wanted to pay that much.

There are other expiring out there. Not buying Chicago settling for Sasha Vujacic when Hinrich could actually contribute to their team next year.

[2Cleva]

Agreed with XFactor.

That said, it wouldn't be Fisher in the deal. Morrison, Sasha, and Farmar the likely bait.

[LakeShow]

I don't think Hinrich is worth the cost but If Dr. Buss doesn't mind, neither do I.

On paper Jefferson appeared to be the better player and upgrade over an aging Bruce Bowen. You see how that's working out. I would be willing to bet that the Spurs fans would rather have kept Bruce.

[21_Blessings]

Hinrich defends shooting guards waaaaaay better than he does point guards anyway. I could totally see Phil continuing to start Fisher while giving Kirk most of his minutes at the 2.

[Donkeybong]

lakers would never trade fish. and btw, this trade is 3 years too late.

[mojorizen7]

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[21_Blessings]

lakers would never trade fish. and btw, this trade is 3 years too late.

Exactly. Hinrich would have been great in 2006 against the Suns. Lakers would have beat the Clippers as well and then watch Kobe go berserk against Dallas in the WCF.

Now? 38% shooter with nagging injuries and too slow to defend quick points. He's not much better than either Brown or Farmar at this point of his career. Hinrich is a shadow of his former self.

[2Cleva]

Not worried about the shooting percentage. Rose isn't a playmaker and no one on that team is worth a double team. In LA, he'd be getting Fisher's wide-open looks.

Next, he does defend better than Farmar (who doesn't). And what's missing is he's a good passer. So many points LA loses because Fisher can't throw an entry pass worth shit.

[HarlemHeat37]

Hinrich to the Lakers rumors have been around for about 4 years now.

I know, I meant I was arguing for him before that he would be a good fit when a few Laker fans here wanted inferior players instead..

[21_Blessings]

Not worried about the shooting percentage. Rose isn't a playmaker and no one on that team is worth a double team. In LA, he'd be getting Fisher's wide-open looks.

Hinrich can't even get himself an open look anymore. How is a 38% shooter going to get Fisher open looks? Teams won't be double teaming him and he doesn't penetrate nearly as well as he did eariler in his career. 83% of Hinrich's shots are jumpers. Compare that to 75% with Farmar. Jordan can penetrate defenses with his speed and kick it out. Hinrich is more of a spot up shooter now.


Next, he does defend better than Farmar (who doesn't). And what's missing is he's a good passer. So many points LA loses because Fisher can't throw an entry pass worth shit.

Hinrich defending quick point-guards better than Farmar is a thing of the past. I can back this is up as well if you want. Farmar's defense is much improved this season compared to last and in no way bad. I can point to specific games where Farmar did a stand up job on Brooks and Deron (which was a first for Farmar in his career). Also opponent point guards only shooting efg 43%.


2 years ago it would have been a no brainer with Hinrich. But he's declining even as I type this.

[2Cleva]

Hinrich can't even get himself an open look anymore. How is a 38% shooter going to get Fisher open looks? Teams won't be double teaming him and he doesn't penetrate nearly as well as he did eariler in his career. 83% of Hinrich's shots are jumpers. Compare that to 75% with Farmar. Jordan can penetrate defenses with his speed and kick it out. Hinrich is more of a spot up shooter now.

Neither can Fisher. Fisher got looks off the offense and what others did. A spot up shooter is exactly what LA needs - shooting wise.

As for the Jordan comparison - when does he ever kick it out? Farmar is always looking for his own shot.



Hinrich defending quick point-guards better than Farmar is a thing of the past. I can back this is up as well if you want. Farmar's defense is much improved this season compared to last and in no way bad. I can point to specific games where Farmar did a stand up job on Brooks and Deron (which was a first for Farmar in his career). Also opponent point guards only shooting efg 43%.

Farmar's improved D still sucks. Its the help behind him that keeps his (and Fishers) opponent EFG lower.



2 years ago it would have been a no brainer with Hinrich. But he's declining even as I type this.

He's declining? LOL. You're out the loop. LA won't do it for all last years but if they can dump Sasha its a done deal.

[Allanon]

So the Lakers should get a guy getting paid $5 million more than Fish so he can shoot 1% better on regular shots and 2% less on 3 pointers?

35 year old Fish has only missed 8 games since 2002
29 year old Hinrich has missed 52 games since 2002

Hinrich has already missed like 5 games this year and we're only halfway through.

How does this make sense?

No disrespect Laker guys but I'll never understand this Lakers infatuation with Hinrich (yeah, I've heard it for like 3 years now). :lol

[21_Blessings]

Neither can Fisher. Fisher got looks off the offense and what others did. A spot up shooter is exactly what LA needs - shooting wise.

Hinrich isn't a very good spot shooter either. And Lakers already have 2.


As for the Jordan comparison - when does he ever kick it out? Farmar is always looking for his own shot.

He's been looking for his own shot much more this year than previous. Phil Jackson is giving him crunch time minutes. He's playing at a higher confidence level. Looks like that's by design.

Farmar does get shot happy. But Fisher and Brown suffer from the same disease. Acting like Farmar never kicks it out is pretty inaccurate though. He definitely does penetrate and kick on a consistent basis and has the ability to create off the dribble.


Farmar's improved D still sucks. Its the help behind him that keeps his (and Fishers) opponent EFG lower.

You have a point with Derek Fisher, but not as much with Farmar. Fisher plays literally all of minutes with Bynum/Gasol or Odom and Kobe out there. Farmar has played many of his minutes with the 2nd unit and during garbage time.


He's declining? LOL. You're out the loop. LA won't do it for all last years but if they can dump Sasha its a done deal.

They won't do it with Farmar or Brown is probably a more apt description. As I pointed out no one wants Sasha - including Chicago. Can't wait for the trade deadline to be over.

[Allanon]

As for Point Guard defense, the last 5 point guards to see the Chicago Bulls:

Tony Parker, 20 points
Aaron Brooks, 20 points
Steve Nash, 8 points
Baron Davis, 23 points
Randy Foye, 22 points

So 36 year old Steve Nash was the only PG of the lot that didn't go off for 20+. Was this shitty defense on Hinrich or DRose?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Hinrich is one of the many overrated, overhyped products of fuckstick Chicago journalism that overhypes all of the players they draft. We're still waiting for this guy's inevitable"breakout year", and just like Eddie Curry, Tyson Chandler, Ben Gordon, and Luol Deng, we'll be waiting next year and the year after that.

[RedsLakers24]

As for Point Guard defense, the last 5 point guards to see the Chicago Bulls:

Tony Parker, 20 points
Aaron Brooks, 20 points
Steve Nash, 8 points
Baron Davis, 23 points
Randy Foye, 22 points

So 36 year old Steve Nash was the only PG of the lot that didn't go off for 20+. Was this shitty defense on Hinrich or DRose?

Hinrich guards the SG, Rose Guards the PG.

[TheMACHINE]

I thought hinrich did a good job guarding Kobe the last time they played.

[21_Blessings]

I thought hinrich did a good job guarding Kobe the last time they played.

The Lakers are fine at SG and don't need another.

[TheMACHINE]

The Lakers are fine at SG and don't need another.

i never knew you liked Sasha so much ;)

[Andrew Bynum]

What do you think the Lakers should do at PG after this season 21?

[Allanon]

Hinrich guards the SG, Rose Guards the PG.

Thanks for clarifying this, Red....I don't really watch the Bulls.

If that is the case, why would the Lakers want him when they have Kobe, Shannon and Sasha at SG?

[Andrew Bynum]

Thanks for clarifying this, Red....I don't really watch the Bulls.

If that is the case, why would the Lakers want him when they have Kobe, Shannon and Sasha at SG?

Cause he's a PG who's playing SG cause the Bulls have a really good PG.

[21_Blessings]

i never knew you liked Sasha so much ;)

If Mitch can dump Sasha + Ammo for Hinrich then he's the best GM that ever lived. Literally.

[Allanon]

Cause he's a PG who's playing SG cause the Bulls have a really good PG.

That's the odd thing then. If Hinrich is the defensive specialist that can play either position, why isn't he guarding guys like Brooks, Parker, BDiddy, Nash, Foye.

All those guys (except Nash) lit up Derrick Rose for 20+ points, why didn't they switch their defensive specialist Hinrich onto them?

The Lakers already get lit up for 20+ points by other point guards at Fisher's $5 million, would Hinrich's $10 million change that for the Lakers if he can't even do it for the Bulls?

[RedsLakers24]

That's the odd thing then. If Hinrich is the defensive specialist that can play either position, why isn't he guarding guys like Brooks, Parker, BDiddy, Nash, Foye.

All those guys (except Nash) lit up Derrick Rose for 20+ points, why didn't they switch their defensive specialist Hinrich onto them?

The Lakers already get lit up for 20+ points by other point guards at Fisher's $5 million, would Hinrich's $10 million change that for the Lakers if he can't even do it for the Bulls?

thats because Rose cant guard SG, he is too weak so they have to put Hinrich on the opponents SG

[Andrew Bynum]

That's the odd thing then. If Hinrich is the defensive specialist that can play either position, why isn't he guarding guys like Brooks, Parker, BDiddy, Nash, Foye.

All those guys (except Nash) lit up Derrick Rose for 20+ points, why didn't they switch their defensive specialist Hinrich onto them?

The Lakers already get lit up for 20+ points by other point guards at Fisher's $5 million, would Hinrich's $10 million change that for the Lakers if he can't even do it for the Bulls?

All of those players aside from Foye are the best or second best players on their teams, so going for 20 points flat really ain't that big a surprise. Kirk Hinrich is not a shutdown guy guarding PGs, but he's far and away better than Fisher or Farmar. And there aren't that many better option for PG going forward that I know of, that's why a lot of Laker fans want him. I'd only do it if Sasha is involved and that's probably a long shot.

[RsxPiimp]

I'd only do it if Sasha is involved and that's probably a long shot.

You're not the GM. BTW, stop playing like a pussy tonight.

[21_Blessings]

thats because Rose cant guard SG, he is too weak so they have to put Hinrich on the opponents SG

Hinrich was guarding Wade in the playoffs long before Derrick Rose was ever drafted. He hasn't been quick enough to defend point guards for a couple years now.

[Smooth Criminal]

I think that wouldn't be a good move.

Derek Fisher: Struggling with shot, plays solid defense, lots of experience in playoffs.

Kirk Hinrich: Struggling with shot, plays solid defense, little experience in playoffs.

Are you new?

[Andrew Bynum]

You're not the GM. BTW, stop playing like a pussy tonight.

Bitch, shut the fuck up. I dropped 27 on 12-14 shooting and 12 boards. If that's playing like a pussy I'm going to be a fucking BEAST in a few years.

[Smooth Criminal]

If the Lakers get Hinrich, then they would have almost no flaws on defense to exploit. So, why do the Bulls do this to make the Lakers unstoppable?

Because they have no title chances anyway? Why should they care? They just need cap space for 2010.