Yoni's Official State of the Union Address Thread

[Yonivore]

As Don Surber (http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/8311) said in his column before the speech...


“Tonight’s State of the Union address is the least important one since Richard Nixon’s in 1974. The State of the Union address was delivered 8 days ago by the voters of Massachusetts. They killed the centerpiece of Barack Obama’s presidency and without his health care plan, he is nothing.

“There is nothing President Obama can say or do tonight that could save his presidency. It is over. He is through. It lasted exactly 365 days. The one year president.”
Even Harry Reid Agrees...


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Harry Reid also knows his political career is nearing an end and just can't be bothered to get excited about another Obama teleprompter-a-thon.

Most telling image of the day?


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hnqpvFwIwnw/S2Gh62X4CnI/AAAAAAAAFMQ/cysxDCPZHtY/s1600/hope%2Bchange%2B75%2Bperecent%2Boff.jpg

Stick a fork in him, he's done unless he's willing to put down his arrogance and start realizing he and the American People aren't on the same page. Hell, he's not even reading the same book from the same genre as the American People.

Arrogance? Yeah, arrogance.

“The Big Difference” Between 2010 and 1994 “Is Me,” President Obama Says, Per Congressman (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/01/the-big-difference-between-2010-and-1994-is-me-president-obama-says-per-congressman.html)

The only difference between 2010 and 1994 is that Bill Clinton "got it" and Obama still does not appear to have a clue.

[clambake]

Rise up, white people!

[coyotes_geek]

Really? The "yawn" card?

[Yonivore]

Really? The "yawn" card?
Metaphor

And, clambake, you might want to direct your comments to MSNBC's Chris Matthews...he's the one, once again, injecting race into the debate.

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[clambake]

you know i only watch fox.

why do you keep pushing other networks?

[Yonivore]

you know i only watch fox.

why do you keep pushing other networks?
Maybe I don't care about your preferences.

[clambake]

maybe?

[Yonivore]

maybe?
I was just suggesting, you draw your own conclusions about why my posts don't seem to consider your proclivities.

[panic giraffe]

so how does a small state voting of a guy who would be a dem in a state like texas equate to "the whole country hates the president"?

explain?

[Yonivore]

so how does a small state voting of a guy who would be a dem in a state like texas equate to "the whole country hates the president"?

explain?
In what is arguably the most liberal state, President Obama was unable to persuade the electorate to not vote for what is, in that "small state," a conservative and stop the complete abandonment of his centerpiece domestic agenda item, Obamacare.

If Massachusetts will elect a Senator to the right of Ted Kennedy and, in doing so, flush the agenda of a president with whom they ostensibly identify, the other 49 would have done the same and possibly will in November.

Explained.

[Winehole23]

According to you and Don Surber Obama already lies in his political grave, scratching the coffin with zombie fingers, plotting his zombie comeback.

[Winehole23]

It's wishful thinking. The president is still the president.

[George Gervin's Afro]

In what is arguably the most liberal state, President Obama was unable to persuade the electorate to not vote for what is, in that "small state," a conservative and stop the complete abandonment of his centerpiece domestic agenda item, Obamacare.

If Massachusetts will elect a Senator to the right of Ted Kennedy and, in doing so, flush the agenda of a president with whom they ostensibly identify, the other 49 would have done the same and possibly will in November.

Explained.

:lmao

[ElNono]

Who is Don Surber and why should we care?

[panic giraffe]

In what is arguably the most liberal state, President Obama was unable to persuade the electorate to not vote for what is, in that "small state," a conservative and stop the complete abandonment of his centerpiece domestic agenda item, Obamacare.

If Massachusetts will elect a Senator to the right of Ted Kennedy and, in doing so, flush the agenda of a president with whom they ostensibly identify, the other 49 would have done the same and possibly will in November.

Explained.


so you don't think that there's a slight possiblity that maybe the people of MA were fed up w/the continued trend of obama to the right that they said "well if you want a Snowe, than a Snowe you will get" or that they know its a short election and they wanted to send a message that there needs to be a true progressive in or they will vote any trash in?

i guess its all a matter of perception.

p.s. vermont has a freggin socialist, a real, breathing, living, proud socialist as a senator, so they should take the crown as most liberal.

in my opinion however MA feels about healthcare is irrealavent, they have theirs already.

[jack sommerset]

Samuel Alito knows Obama is a liar.

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[FromWayDowntown]

Hooray for my team!
Boo for the other team!

[Marcus Bryant]

Really, the State of the Union address shouldn't matter all that much. That is, governance in this country, at least at the federal level, shouldn't warrant the import. It is, of course, a media event as much as a political event. Or, the great leader directing the masses to the great poll-driven national goal(s) of the week and duking it out in the Nielsen ratings with re-runs of Flavor of Love, Season II.

[to21]

I thought the Official JV State of the Union Response after was more of a yawner.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Samuel Alito knows Obama is a liar.

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I trust a conservative activist judge's opinion of obama.. :rolleyes


we know jack, lying is ok if they are on your team..

[boutons_deux]

Alito is troll punk, a really nasty little package, just another pile of shit dumped left by the Repugs.

[jack sommerset]

I trust a conservative activist judge's opinion of obama.. :rolleyes


we know jack, lying is ok if they are on your team..

Atleast you acknowledge Obama is a liar. You are catching up with the rest ot the country. Plus his policies suck ass! Go team America!

[Winehole23]

Obama saying "including foreign corporations" was very provocative. I thought that was what Alito was reacting to, but I could be wrong.

Are foreign companies in any way already barred or restrained in their political giving? (That's an honest question: this poster is unfamiliar with any relevant US law.)

Or do foreign companies have unfettered free speech rights in US elections too?

[Yonivore]

I trust a conservative activist judge's opinion of obama.. :rolleyes


"Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law..."
It wasn't an opinion, Justice Alito was pointing out the inaccuracy of that statement.

Last week, the Supreme Court found unconstitutional a provision in the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance law. Last time I checked, neither McCain nor Feingold were around, in Congress, prior to 1910 and, the law, I believe, is less than a decade old.

[Winehole23]

Laws in 24 states may fall as a result. We'll see.

[Yonivore]

Laws in 24 states may fall as a result. We'll see.
That doesn't change the untruth of the statement.

On campaign finance, though. Exactly how does money translate to votes? Unless donors are buying the electorate's vote at the polling booth, I don't see the problem with lifting restrictions on political giving.

The underlying complaint seems to be that politicians can remain in power just by virtue of being the biggest recipient of campaign donations. If that's the case, we get the government we deserve.

I think more attention should be given the veracity of political speech. Just like truth in product advertising, I think political ads should be accompanied by the facts supporting the claims made.

[DarrinS]

As far as his disrespect towards the SCOTUS:

http://www.politico.com/arena/perm/Randy_Barnett_79413362-DD20-46A2-A092-D0579CC7D13F.html




In the history of the State of the Union has any President ever called out the Supreme Court by name, and egged on the Congress to jeer a Supreme Court decision, while the Justices were seated politely before him surrounded by hundreds Congressmen? To call upon the Congress to countermand (somehow) by statute a constitutional decision, indeed a decision applying the First Amendment? What can this possibly accomplish besides alienating Justice Kennedy who wrote the opinion being attacked. Contrary to what we heard during the last administration, the Court may certainly be the object of presidential criticism without posing any threat to its independence. But this was a truly shocking lack of decorum and disrespect towards the Supreme Court for which an apology is in order. A new tone indeed.

[Winehole23]

I think more attention should be given the veracity of political speech. Just like truth in product advertising, I think political ads should be accompanied by the facts supporting the claims made.You'd restrict speakers to making objectively verifiable claims. Like we do with drug ads, I guess. Hilarious.

In any case factuality can be completely blown out of the water by simple statements of opinion about so-called facts such as, "I believe that.." or "some people are concerned that", so why even bother?

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm surprised FDR's court packing scheme hasn't been resurrected yet.

Hey, if FDR wunted it den it musta be good.

[Marcus Bryant]

The common appeal to nostalgia for historical political figures is one of the most pungent, foul, and untoward aspects of American politics. Of course, it's nostalgia of the sanitized Disney-esque view perpetuated by American pedagogues and solidified in the mindless American media.

[Marcus Bryant]

Duh president should be able to dew whut he wants unless he's der president.

[Winehole23]

But this was a truly shocking lack of decorum and disrespect towards the Supreme Court for which an apology is in order. A new tone indeed.On the contrary, we've had this very discussion a small number of times in the last year alone. Joe Wilson, anybody?

[Winehole23]

Alito's response, however be it justified in the rectitude of its truth, may betray an awkwardness of judicial comportment.

For example. The other justices didn't react demonstratively. Because they disagreed either more or less with President? I doubt it.

Obama shook Alito's cage. Unlike all the other judges, Alito hid his disposition poorly.

[FromWayDowntown]

I suppose it was an act of unmentionable temerity and defiance when calls were made to enact legislation to undo the Supreme Court's flag burning case (Johnson v. Texas).

Or maybe it's just that if a President is going to call for direct reaction to a Supreme Court decision, he or she should do so only when those jurists are cloistered.

[Marcus Bryant]

On the contrary, we've had this very discussion a small number of times in the last year alone. Joe Wilson, anybody?

This is America.

Everyone was born yesterday.

[Marcus Bryant]

No wonder being 'born again' is so popular.

[Marcus Bryant]

Ok, that was bad.

[Marcus Bryant]

I apologize.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'll come up with something better next time.

[Winehole23]

The common appeal to nostalgia for historical political figures is one of the most pungent, foul, and untoward aspects of American politics. Of course, it's nostalgia of the sanitized Disney-esque view perpetuated by American pedagogues and solidified in the mindless American media.I think it matters who you pick, even if it's the equivalent of conspicuous consumption at the shopping mall. Choices matter. For Ronald Reagan there was a halo around Harry Truman. Go figure.

And it isn't just nostalgia that I and a few others have the pre-digital America within living memory. There's a few old farts left. For good and for ill, some of em will leave a mark.

Others do too, and the inculcation of whippersnappers in America's pre-digital ways and American history in general, is very much in order, in the solitary opinion of this wino. It's old-fogeyish, old fartish and boring to be sure, but JMO boring is underrated.

[EVAY]

The gloves came off between the conservative judges on this court and Obama during the Oath of office, when Roberts, in a display of genuine arrogance, decided to try to lead Obama through the oath without having the words in front of him, resulting in a muffed oath-taking that marred the moment, at least, and required a 'do-over' the next day.

Obama did limit his comments by saying "I believe" ...will open the floodgates...etc., etc. Then he called on the congress to write a new law. I don't think what Obama did was that notable, but the media frenzy is what it is because everything else was so dull.

Other Supremes have probably said worse in years past but not been caught on camera doing it.

[Marcus Bryant]

I think it matters who you pick, even if it's the equivalent of conspicuous consumption at the shopping mall. Choices matter. For Ronald Reagan there was a halo around Harry Truman. Go figure.

And it isn't just nostalgia that I and a few others have the pre-digital America within living memory. There's a few old farts left. For good and for ill, some of em will leave a mark.

Others do too, and the inculcation of whippersnappers in America's pre-digital ways and American history in general, is very much in order, in the solitary opinion of this wino. It's old-fogeyish, old fartish and boring to be sure, but JMO boring is underrated.

But it glosses over the disagreements of the time and presents this false unanimity in our history. In the process, those who disagreed vehemently are forgotten, save for when they serve as useful villains.

The creation of these myths kills real tradition.

[Marcus Bryant]

The WWII/Cold War narrative essentially killed off any notion of an anti-war conservatism. The new sanitized tradition became America as the warrior state, liberating the Earth and making it safe for "democracy."

It would do Sparta some good to examine its past, to have a serious anti-war strain of thought running through it.

[Winehole23]

If there were any Spartans left, yes.

[Marcus Bryant]

Pseudo-Spartans then.

[Winehole23]

But it glosses over the disagreements of the time and presents this false unanimity in our history. In the process, those who disagreed vehemently are forgotten, save for when they serve as useful villains.

The creation of these myths kills real tradition.The false unanimity grows mainly on its ignorance about what it hoists up as holy, but partly also on its charismatic persuasion. Ignorance is a killer of tradition. One of the really big ones.

[Winehole23]

Pseudo-Spartans then.Oh, that'd be us. Forgive my slowness...

[Winehole23]

Other Supremes have probably said worse in years past but not been caught on camera doing it.That was my point, really. Alito was conspicuous.

[Marcus Bryant]

The false unanimity grows mainly on its ignorance about what it hoists up as holy, but partly also on its charismatic persuasion. Ignorance is a killer of tradition. One of the really big ones.

And the pedagogues maintain that, ensuring the people spend their days flailing blindly at each other and remain susceptible to false calls to patriotism and history. Or, calls to patriotism based on a false history. Or an incomplete one.

[Winehole23]

Retail politics is a bitch.

[Marcus Bryant]

Retail politics is a bitch.

Kinda the perfect cluster. The television age and the consolidation and centralization of pedagogy arrived just as the country's politics were becoming increasingly democratic. Everyone's free to vote and yet, they know nothing. Or, they lack the skills to discern the information they have access to as well as to examine that which they know and believe.

[jack sommerset]

What happen to "you lost, we won" the dems used to pull out all the time. Now the President of the United States of America is wanting a do over when the Supreme Court comes back with a 5-4 verdict. And lies durning his first State of the Union about it. Obama has zero class,humility and credibility.

[Marcus Bryant]

So we're left with politics as lifestyle, two groups yelling at and creating caricatures of each other, content to seek comfort in conformity instead of diversity of opinion. And naturally the diversity we celebrate is superficial and based on physical characteristics instead of intellectual ones.

[Winehole23]

Everyone's free to vote and yet, they know nothing. Or, they lack the skills to discern the information they have access to as well as to examine that which they know and believe.Not even caring counts for much in my estimate, but yeah, people suck too.

[Marcus Bryant]

But why care when the Great American Progress Machine rolls on? Only when it breaks down is there a problem. Only when a war of choice doesn't end quickly and decisively does it become a problem.

[Winehole23]

He never had any to start with with you, jacksommerset

[jack sommerset]

Thats not true. Soon as he became President he had my support. Thing is, it didn't take long for him to fuck our country (Earmarks) and go back on his word. Lets not highjack Yoni's thread but that is the truth.


Obama last night showed his true colors again. I got a HUGE kick out of him talking down to the repugs about how they need to come up with a idea for Healthcare :lol He literally locked the doors for 6-7-8 months!

His lies are in your face, no spin, just lies. And I forget to mention most of the times, his policies suck. Most Americans do not want them. They ignore the polls, they ignore the votes and continue to say America wants healthcare. It's a joke and I don't need to try to convince anyone he is a liar anymore. They all know it. Now it is a waiting game.

I also like the freeze. :lol

[Winehole23]

I suppose it was an act of unmentionable temerity and defiance when calls were made to enact legislation to undo the Supreme Court's flag burning case (Johnson v. Texas). This?

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8127456.html


Or maybe it's just that if a President is going to call for direct reaction to a Supreme Court decision, he or she should do so only when those jurists are cloistered.The Supreme Court should be protected from the President's opinion?

Hilarious.

[Marcus Bryant]

Earmarks or what not are a drop in the bucket. It's something both sides play with to act as though meaningful cuts are occurring in the federal budget, or to paint as the real cause of the bloated budget instead of defense and entitlement expenditures. It's a convenient myth.

[jack sommerset]

This?

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8127456.html

The Supreme Court should be protected from the President's opinion?

Hilarious.

What's halirious is he didn't tell the truth. I think they made a mistake but don't lie about it. Tell them that but don't lie to make your case. He really can't help himself.

[jack sommerset]

Earmarks or what not are a drop in the bucket.

This guy with zero expierence was elected because he said he would change D.C, "NO EARMARKS" he said time and time again. Bam over 8,000 of them. He signed off on it. No problem. No "I'm sorry" , he just did it. Thats pretty fucking big but it does not stop there. The beat goes on.

[Winehole23]

What's halirious is he didn't tell the truth. I think they made a mistake but don't lie about it. Tell them that but don't lie to make your case. He really can't help himself.It was a very provocative opinion.

[Blake]

I'll come up with something better next time.

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[Marcus Bryant]

yonnnnnnnnivore?

[Winehole23]

Thats not true. Soon as he became President he had my support. Thing is, it didn't take long for him to fuck our country (Earmarks) and go back on his word. Lets not highjack Yoni's thread but that is the truth. Fair enough. I'll not contest that you gave Obama a fair chance, jack.

BTW, how long did it last?


What did Obama in, for you?

[Marcus Bryant]

Probably when he got all uppity.

[jack sommerset]

Fair enough. I'll not contest that you gave Obama a fair chance, jack.

BTW, how long did it last?


What did Obama in, for you?

Feb, maybe March. I was floored by the Stimulus bill along with all the Earmarks. A rather quick process from that time on.

[Winehole23]

Feb, maybe March. I was floored by the Stimulus bill along with all the Earmarks. A rather quick process from that time on.My. You outlasted DarrinS by months. He didn't even make it a week.

[George Gervin's Afro]

[QUOTE=Yonivore;4036327]That doesn't change the untruth of the statement.

On campaign finance, though. Exactly how does money translate to votes? Unless donors are buying the electorate's vote at the polling booth, I don't see the problem with lifting restrictions on political giving.


you're joking..