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Nbadan
04-28-2005, 10:42 AM
In Apr. 27, President Bush made an impassioned plea for an energy plan that would wean the U.S. from imported fuels. "Our dependence on foreign energy is like a foreign tax on the American people," he declared in a speech to a gathering of small-business owners and entrepreneurs in Washington.

What the country needs is "a national strategy," Bush said. "And the most important component of our strategy is to recognize the transformational power of technology. By harnessing the power of technology, we're going to be able to grow our economy, protect our environment, and achieve greater energy independence."

Powerful sentiments, indeed. But the words are largely hollow. Sadly, the plan Bush proposed would do little to increase existing supplies of oil, gas, or electricity, or decrease domestic demand for energy -- the two steps that would really make a difference. Charges Frank O'Donnell, head of Clean Air Watch, a Washington-based environmental group: "The new Presidential energy plan seems mainly to be a public-relations stunt aimed at trying to reverse some of the latest polls, which show a growing public discontent with high gas prices -- and the President."

LOW PRIORITY. Of course, environmentalists such as O'Donnell can usually be counted on to bash GOP policies. But in this case the criticism is deserved. Plenty of evidence indicates that the White House's sudden interest in energy policy is driven far more by politics than substantive policymaking.

To understand why, recall the last Presidential election. Democratic candidate John Kerry struck a nerve when he called for reducing American dependence on Middle Eastern oil, saying that "we should rely in American ingenuity and not the Saudi Royal family."

Yet, Kerry failed to turn energy into a significant policy issue in the race. And the White House learned a lesson: You can score political points by talking about energy policy -- without ever needing to follow through. It has been widely reported that Vice-President Dick Cheney privately told top Washington energy-policy wonks after the 2004 election that the Administration would put the issue low on its priority list for 2005.

"RETAKE THIS ISSUE." That was before oil prices soared, however, and the Republicans started taking a beating, as higher gasoline and home-heating costs made Americans angry and anxious. President Bush's approval ratings dropped, and GOP strategists cited rising fuel costs as the primary rub.

In a strongly worded report to his party in late winter, Republican pollster Frank Luntz warned: "Right now, the Democrats are exhibiting perfect pitch when it come to their energy message.... You need to retake this issue now before the next spike at the pump and before the next surge in our home-heating bills."

Luntz recommended that Republicans hammer hard on four themes: energy independence, national security, the power of innovation and new technology, and the importance of balancing new supplies with conservation. "The energy debate is ripe for partisan picking," he wrote. "Americans loathe the idea of being reliant on the Middle East for our energy needs -- and they were waiting for someone to tell them so."

LAUNDRY LIST. Kerry's remark about not relying on the Saudis was his "single best line at the convention, and it continues to resonate even today," Luntz observed. And in a recent interview with BusinessWeek, Luntz added that if the Administration "stays silent (on energy), it loses."

Luntz's memo is a powerful political document, and the White House took his advice to heart. On Mar. 9, Bush gave a speech hitting all of Luntz's themes. The President called for new technology to reduce America's dependence on imported oil and to increase conservation, and, along the way, to boost national security. Then in his Apr. 27 speech, he repeated the grand ideals -- and offered concrete initiatives. "For the sake of this country, for the sake of a growing economy, and for the sake of national security, we've got to do what it takes to expand our independence," the President said.

Here's what Bush offered as policies needed to meet this ambitious goal:

-- Provide federal risk insurance for nuclear plant builders, so that they don't bear the costs of delays in licensing new plants.

-- Encourage building of new refineries on closed military bases and ease regulatory "burdens" to speed construction.

-- Drill for more oil and gas at home, including in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR).

-- Spend $1.7 billion over five years to develop hydrogen-powered cars.

-- Expand the tax credits for hybrid cars to clean-diesel vehicles as well.

-- Give the feds more power to site new liquefied natural gas terminals (LNG).

-- Promote clean coal and nuclear power around the world.

Nothing is wrong with any of these ideas, although there's widespread -- and legitimate -- opposition to drilling in the ANWR. Even many environmental groups now reluctantly agree that clean-coal plants and advanced nuclear reactors are part of the solution to tomorrow's energy problems. Additional refining capacity would prevent the spot shortages that, in the past, have sent gasoline prices soaring in parts of the country.

REALITY AVOIDANCE. More LNG ports would bring additional natural gas to the nation. Clean-diesel cars would increase the average mileage of America's cars. And if anyone ever figures out how to actually produce enough hydrogen, fuel-cell cars do offer advantages.

But while the speech's rhetoric was lofty and inspiring, the President's proposals don't match up with the problems they purport to solve. They carefully avoid the politically difficult steps that actually would take America farther down the path of energy independence.

Take nuclear power. Safer new designs promise a reliable, relatively inexpensive source of electricity that doesn't contribute to global warming. But potential licensing delays aren't the big hurdle. In fact, the industry is already preparing applications seeking approval for new designs, so that when a good business case for new plants exists, utilities will be ready to go.

MORE MILEAGE NEEDED. A much bigger problem: not having a place to put the radioactive waste. "We won't have a new generation of nuclear plants unless the government keeps its 50-year old promise of waste disposal," said John W. Rowe, chairman and CEO of Exelon (NYSE:EXC - News), a major nuclear utility, in a recent speech. But the waste issue is a political hot potato, so Bush steered clear of it. The truth is, what he did propose will do little to spur the development of new nuclear plants.

Similarly, Bush avoided the politically difficult -- but crucial -- steps on all the other issues, too. For example, energy experts agree the single-most effective way to cut oil dependency is to make cars and trucks -- which account for more than 60% of America's oil consumption -- more fuel-efficient. "You have to start with higher miles per gallon," says Robert E. Ebel, chairman of the energy program at the Center for Strategic & International Studies, a Washington (D.C.) think tank. That means mandating higher fuel economy standards or taking similar politically courageous steps.

Extending tax credits for diesel cars is mere tinkering around the edges. And hydrogen-powered fuel-cell cars are largely a pipedream for now.

FOLLOWING A SCRIPT? Want to take a real step to prevent gasoline shortages and keep a lid on energy prices? Easing regulations on refineries may sound good. But the Administration could make things truly easier for refineries by requiring that the nation use just one blend of fuel, instead of the current dozens that various states require. Of course, that wouldn't be a hit in many of the red states, which currently don't use the cleanest-burning fuels. It would be a bold step that would make a real difference, however.

Want to increase supplies of oil and gas? Instead of drilling in the ANWR or adding a few LNG ports, Bush could open up areas like the Gulf coast of Florida or the Rocky Mountains, which has a 60-year supply of natural gas, to exploration and drilling. But that wouldn't be popular in Florida, where his brother Jeb is governor, or in some of the Western states that are strong Bush country.

The President's failure to propose any meaningful solutions, while claiming to "do the right thing for America" makes it hard not to conclude that the Administration's main goal is not energy independence, but rather improving its standing the polls. Indeed, what's most striking about Bush's Apr. 27 speech is how closely it follows the script written by Luntz earlier this year. A few examples:

-- The pollster recommended emphasizing that the nation's energy problem "has been years in the making, and it will take years to solve." On Apr. 27, Bush said: "This problem did not develop overnight, and it's not going to be fixed overnight."

-- Luntz wrote that in advocating drilling in the ANWR, the Administration should say that "using modern techniques, only a very small area will actually be impacted by the development." In his speech, Bush echoed that, saying: "Because of the advances in technology, we can reach the oil deposits with almost no impact on land or local wildlife."

-- The pollster stressed that Republicans should have a positive message, appealing "to American ideals of invention and innovation" and tapping "into feelings of American exceptionalism and ingenuity to seal the deal with the swing voters." Any surprise, then, that Bush emphasized in his address that "technology has radically changed the way we live and work"? He added: "Our country is on the doorstep of incredible technological advances that will make energy more abundant and more affordable for our citizens."

Stirring words. Americans can only hope the President is right. But the goals of energy efficiency and independence won't be spurred by anything this Administration is currently proposing.

Yahoo News (http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20050428/bs_bw/nf200504289012db045)

More of business as usual. Rhetoric rather than policy has been this administrations mainstay when it comes to a viable domestic energy plan.

Clandestino
04-28-2005, 10:44 AM
bush can't win.. when he talks about reducing dependence on oil, people like dan still bitch!

Clandestino
04-28-2005, 10:56 AM
bush talking about reducing dependence on oil is like phillip morris talking about getting people to quit smoking cigarettes

philip morris spends millions on smoking cessasion programs already.

Nbadan
04-28-2005, 11:03 AM
http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1947.gif

The above is a graph of world crude oil prices, 1947-2003, in 2000 dollars.

If you note, the first big price spike is in 1973-74, a result of the Arab oil embargo in response to US support for Israel in the Yom Kippur War. What is important to note about this is that prior to 1970, there were no price spikes, because the US was still a "swing producer" that had not yet reached the peak of the oil curve. Following 1970, the US lost this ability as it passed its oil peak, and OPEC gained control over world prices as the remaining swing producer.

What caused the spikes of the 1970's to come back down was the discovery and opening of fields on Alaska's North Slope and in the North Sea. The added supply from these fields on the world market helped steady prices back down near pre-1970's levels. The attendant result was the idea of "globalization" of the world economy, a fervent belief based on the unrealistic assumption that cheap oil would be around forever.

Now, at the end of the graph, prices are starting to climb slightly. However, the graph only goes to 2003. If it were extended, it would show a spike up to $55 per barrel between 2003 and early 2005. The reason for this is simple -- there is simply no more global swing capacity due to rapidly increasing demand and flattening supply.

What does this mean? Unless there is a significant new store discovered, prices will continue to rise as we pass the crest of the oil peak. Sure, there will still be petroleum, but it will not be cheap, because the remaining stores are those that are more difficult to find and more expensive to extract.

Chances of finding new fields are not promising. Global oil companies are not dedicating much money toward exploration -- they are instead devoting their economic energies to mergers in order to maintain artificially-high shareholder values. The US is sitting on the oil in Iraq, not in order to necessarily drive prices up, but to maintain a reserve so that the "non-negotiable American way of life" can be continued for another 25-40 years. Look for the "War on Terror" to extend to Africa as oil fields increasingly come on line there, so that the United States can exercise control over them as well.

The rise in prices is NOT due to a shrinking dollar. If anything, the shrinking dollar is partially a result of the looming scarcity of oil.

Clandestino
04-28-2005, 11:11 AM
yes...because they Have to.
and if you've seen the campaign it's the most half-assed shit anyway

but they still do it... it is bullshit. if you are too fucking retarded to know that sucking in smoke is harmful to your health you don't deserve to live...

Clandestino
04-28-2005, 11:17 AM
if you are too retarded to know that depending on foreign sources for energy is harmful to your country you don't deserve to have the country

any bush energy conservation plan will prove as effective as a phillip morris anti-smoking campaign

i didn't mean you were too retarded.. i mean those that sued the tobacco companies..

but anyway, bush is trying to propose new ideas and support innovation.. nba and his fellow critics still shoot it down... and i guess you to.. but wtf do you know.. you think anyone can just opt out of ss

Drachen
04-29-2005, 01:02 AM
philip morris spends millions on smoking cessasion programs already.


because they have to

edit, sorry didnt read all of it.

Nbadan
04-29-2005, 01:28 AM
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scott
04-29-2005, 08:00 AM
Plenty of evidence indicates that the White House's sudden interest in energy policy is driven far more by politics than substantive policymaking.

I'd like to know what this evidence is. As much as I hate doing anything that even slightly resembles a defense of Bush - his defense policy has been a priority issue for him for several years, there is not a "sudden interest".

Irony:

I have always thought that oil companies should be Democrats, not Republicans. The reason is: that as far as politics affect the oil market, Democrats are more the reason for the profitability of oil companies than Republicans right now. If Republicans always got their way as far as oil is concerned, we'd most likely see cheaper petro prices.

The Ressurrected One
04-29-2005, 11:16 AM
Althought I don't completely understand your dislike of President Bush, I do find your fairness refreshing.

Nbadan
04-30-2005, 12:34 AM
I'd like to know what this evidence is. As much as I hate doing anything that even slightly resembles a defense of Bush - his defense policy has been a priority issue for him for several years, there is not a "sudden interest".

Where has the 'interest' been by this adminstration in conservation and improving vehicle fuel efficiency before now? Why offer tax incentives for Hummers, but wait till now to offer $4,000 for hybrid vehicles? Clearly, with the Presidents approval ratings approaching single digits, KKKarl Rove and the rest of the adminstration poll watchers decided that it was time to spin the truth again - like blaming high fuel costs on the failure to pass an energy bill which even the administration admits would have done nothing to ease the price of fuel for consumers, either in the short-term or the long-term

The Ressurrected One
04-30-2005, 11:22 AM
Where has the 'interest' been by this adminstration in conservation and improving vehicle fuel efficiency before now? Why offer tax incentives for Hummers, but wait till now to offer $4,000 for hybrid vehicles? Clearly, with the Presidents approval ratings approaching single digits, KKKarl Rove and the rest of the adminstration poll watchers decided that it was time to spin the truth again - like blaming high fuel costs on the failure to pass an energy bill which even the administration admits would have done nothing to ease the price of fuel for consumers, either in the short-term or the long-term
I'm in that industry and alternative fuel research has quadrupled under Bush.

Lack of refining capacity is the main culprit for higher gasoline prices. But, all the henny penny hyperventilating over global oil availability hasn't made it any easier.

Pass the President's energy plan and you increase domesting production, domestic refining capability, and domestic research into alternative power sources. It's really that simple.

But, depending on which Democrat you listen to, Bush is either too stupid to see his plan sucks or is so sinister he's pulling wool over the country's collective eyes.

Das Texan
04-30-2005, 11:33 AM
Its all smoke and mirrors.


Its still about the same old shit (oil and other fossil fuels) just wrapped in new tidy packaging.


ya sure bush is working to reduce the dependence on foreign oil, only to increase the dependence of domestic oil, and its still a dirty fuel when the technology is there for renewable energy that is good for the environment.

and when i hear of clean burning coal i laugh at that oxymoron. coal will never burn clean.

you see people bitch about all the jobs that might be lost with a change from the dependence on fossil fuels to something else.

umm...you would see just as many jobs created in the new energy sources if not more. but this is always forgotten.


George W Bush will never abandon big oil. That is a fact, anything else he states is simply a game he is trying to play, when there is no real intention to do so.

The Ressurrected One
04-30-2005, 11:38 AM
Its all smoke and mirrors.


Its still about the same old shit (oil and other fossil fuels) just wrapped in new tidy packaging.


ya sure bush is working to reduce the dependence on foreign oil, only to increase the dependence of domestic oil, and its still a dirty fuel when the technology is there for renewable energy that is good for the environment.
You need to look around you. No, really, look around...

Virtually everything you see in your field of vision (unless you're sitting on a wireless in the middle of Utopia -- but even then look at the laptop) is a petrochemical product.

It's not just about fuel. It's about the substructure of our economy and about all the other non-fuel products that depend on the free flow of petroleum.


and when i hear of clean burning coal i laugh at that oxymoron. coal will never burn clean.

you see people bitch about all the jobs that might be lost with a change from the dependence on fossil fuels to something else.

umm...you would see just as many jobs created in the new energy sources if not more. but this is always forgotten.

George W Bush will never abandon big oil. That is a fact, anything else he states is simply a game he is trying to play, when there is no real intention to do so.
Seems to me you need to be bitching at the environmentalists that have retarded the construction of Nuclear Power Plants and updated refineries.

Das Texan
04-30-2005, 11:44 AM
who's talking about nuclear power?


i have no clue where that diatrabe came from on how everything is a petrochemical product.


you eliminate the necessity for fossil fuels for energy sources and it allows all the other petrochemical products you yammer on about to be produced at a much lower cost.

it also alleviates your need to get involved in cartels.

The Ressurrected One
04-30-2005, 11:49 AM
who's talking about nuclear power?


i have no clue where that diatrabe came from on how everything is a petrochemical product.


you eliminate the necessity for fossil fuels for energy sources and it allows all the other petrochemical products you yammer on about to be produced at a much lower cost.

it also alleviates your need to get involved in cartels.
Okay, you're the expert.

The Ressurrected One
04-30-2005, 02:03 PM
dependence on oil..........all of bush buddies get rich off our dependence for oil. come on bush. you can fool some of the people, some of the time, but not all of the people, all of the time.

did you know that mexico has a huge oil reserve and sells plenty of oil all over the world. the u.s. doesn't buy mexican oil because the big oil tycoons here in america, don't have their hands in mexican oil.


LETS WISE UP PEOPLE.
Yeah, let's!

jalbre6
04-30-2005, 03:36 PM
dependence on oil..........all of bush buddies get rich off our dependence for oil. come on bush. you can fool some of the people, some of the time, but not all of the people, all of the time.

did you know that mexico has a huge oil reserve and sells plenty of oil all over the world. the u.s. doesn't buy mexican oil because the big oil tycoons here in america, don't have their hands in mexican oil.


LETS WISE UP PEOPLE.

I thought the US bought somewhere around 15% of it's foreign oil from Pemex, the state run oil company in Mexico, and that number has increased since NAFTA. Not only that, Pemex has a shitload of American investors when shares were first made available to foriegn interests aftet NAFTA passage.

The real problem with Mexico selling oil to the US is that she didn't join OPEC back when that organization was formed. If they would have joined, we would get preferencial pricing and priority of product.

scott
04-30-2005, 04:39 PM
Where has the 'interest' been by this adminstration in conservation and improving vehicle fuel efficiency before now? Why offer tax incentives for Hummers, but wait till now to offer $4,000 for hybrid vehicles? Clearly, with the Presidents approval ratings approaching single digits, KKKarl Rove and the rest of the adminstration poll watchers decided that it was time to spin the truth again - like blaming high fuel costs on the failure to pass an energy bill which even the administration admits would have done nothing to ease the price of fuel for consumers, either in the short-term or the long-term

You are better than this, Dan.

He hasn't "waited until now" to offer tax credits on hybrids... they have been in place, and expire this year. He is seeking to extend the credit, and this has been a part of the proposed energy bill for a few years (I get monthly updates on the status of the bill and what has come and gone from it).

These "tax incentives for Hummers" were around before Bush was elected.

Let's talk about the merits/problems of the proposed bill with out spinning. You are just as guilty as Rove sometimes.

scott
04-30-2005, 04:44 PM
did you know that mexico has a huge oil reserve and sells plenty of oil all over the world. the u.s. doesn't buy mexican oil because the big oil tycoons here in america, don't have their hands in mexican oil.


Mexico's production is mostly heavy sour Maya crude, which is restricted by the number of refineries capable of processing it. My company is one that has made a niche out of processing the stuff.

Even with that said, Mexico has exported 1.45 million barrels per day to the US so far in 2005. Only Saudi Arabia and Canada have them beat, and only slightly with US exports at 1.57 and 1.54 million barrels per day, respectively.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

cherylsteele
04-30-2005, 06:09 PM
i didn't mean you were too retarded.. i mean those that sued the tobacco companies..

but anyway, bush is trying to propose new ideas and support innovation.. nba and his fellow critics still shoot it down... and i guess you to.. but wtf do you know.. you think anyone can just opt out of ss

I do like his idea of trying to get some new nuclear power plants online.......my dad was part of group that solved the 3 mile island incident......he was also one of a small handful of people that warned Babcock&Willcox that the plant was at risk because some of the people were in the same league as Homer Simpson......that all changed afterward.

Bandit2981
04-30-2005, 06:10 PM
will we export any of the ANWR oil, or will it strictly be kept for U.S consumption?

scott
04-30-2005, 06:52 PM
will we export any of the ANWR oil, or will it strictly be kept for U.S consumption?

Some of it will be exported just as a result of logistics and economics. Current Alaska production (Alaska North Slope crude) is consumed on the West Coast and some gets exported, mostly to Asia.

It will also depend on the quality of the crude that starts to flow up in ANWR. If it is light, sweet - most likely we will export it to Asia (where they lack the capacity to handle heavier and more sour crude).

Of course, when talking about any good, you always have to look at the net trade balance. If you import 100 widgets from Japan and export 100 domestically produced widgets to other countries, for example, you have a zero trade balance. There are a lot of cases where it makes economic sense to import a good that you are also exporting.

In this case... say the oil that we get out of ANWR is light sweet. We could export that to Asia at a small differential to WTI (the benchmark oil price)... say that is $50/bbl. We (meaning American industry) can turn around and takes that revenue to purchase heavy sour crude at $35/bbl. Thus the export of that oil results in a net benefit for America as a whole. This is in the long-run, though, as most of the heavy sour upgrading capacity in America has yet to come on-line (the sweet-sour spreads have only recently widened to the point where it encourages companies to invest in upgrading capacity. The refineries that already have upgrading capacity are having gangbuster type profits thanks to the people who saw this crunch coming and invested in the capacity years ago).