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DarrinS
01-29-2010, 12:05 PM
Very good article, IMO


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35132893/ns/us_news-race_and_ethnicity/





Five little words — "I forgot he was black" — have exposed a contradiction in the idea of a post-racial nation.

The comment came from MSNBC host Chris Matthews after President Barack Obama's State of the Union speech Wednesday.

"He is post-racial, by all appearances," the liberal host said on the air. "I forgot he was black tonight for an hour. You know, he's gone a long way to become a leader of this country, and past so much history, in just a year or two. I mean, it's something we don't even think about."

Matthews meant it as praise, but it caused a rapid furor, with many calling the quote a troubling sign that blackness is viewed — perhaps unconsciously — as a handicap that still needs to be overcome.

Apparently, Matthews forgot to ask black people if they WANT to be de-raced.

"As a black American I want people to remember who I am and where I come from without attaching assumptions about deficiency to it," said Dr. Imani Perry, a professor at Princeton's Center for African American Studies.

Although she thought Matthews was well-intentioned, she found his statement troubling, because "it suggests that if he had remembered Obama's blackness, that awareness would be a barrier to seeing him as a competent or able leader."

"The ideal is to be able to see and acknowledge everything that person is, including the history that he or she comes from, as well as his or her competencies and qualities, and respect all of those things," Perry said.

That's a very different vision of "transcending race" — a consistent theme of Obama's political history — than one in which race has disappeared altogether.

"It's important for us to remember that everyone has a race," Blair L.M. Kelley, an associate professor of history at North Carolina State University. "When you say we're going to transcend race, are white people called on to transcend their whiteness?"

"When (black people) transcend it, what do we become? Do we become white?" she asked. "Why would we have to stop being our race in order to solve a problem?"

'I thought I was saying something wonderful'
Matthews didn't get that far down the post-racial road on Wednesday night. But his comments instantly exploded online, especially on Twitter. Ninety minutes later, he clarified his comments on the air.

"I'm very proud I did it and I hope I said it the right way," Matthews said, noting that he grew up in the racially fraught 1960s.

"I walked into the room tonight, you could feel (racial tension) wasn't there tonight and that takes leadership on his part, to get us beyond those divisions, really national leadership," Matthews said.

"I felt it wonderfully tonight, almost like an epiphany. I think he's done something wonderful. I think he's taken us beyond black and white in our politics."

On Thursday, Matthews told theGrio that he has no regrets over making the remark.

"I thought I was saying something wonderful and positive about America."

"One million times I'd say the same thing again and again," he added.

Plenty of people supported Matthews on Thursday, saying his sentiments, although poorly worded, reflected the view that all Americans are now equal.

But for many blacks, it was hard to forget the word "forgot."

Judged on merits, not race
Kevin Jackson, a black conservative and author of "The BIG Black Lie," hews to the same philosophy as the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck — that people should be judged on their merits, not their color.

Yet Jackson does not want his blackness to be forgotten.

"Absolutely not," he said. "Because we have an amazing history."

He pointed out that if Don Imus had made the same comment as Matthews, "everybody on God's green earth would be out to hang him by his you-know-what."

Sophia Nelson, a black attorney, former lobbyist and founder of PoliticalIntersection.com, which focuses on politics, race and gender, said she has been offended by people calling her articulate and intelligent: "That's saying that people who look like me normally aren't those things."

She said Matthews' comment showed the same unconscious bias as those by Vice President Joe Biden when he was still a senator that Obama was "clean" and "articulate," and Sen. Harry Reid's saying that Obama was more electable because he was light-skinned and lacking a "Negro dialect."

"Matthews was saying exactly what he meant," Nelson said. "He forgot he was black because he's so articulate and so compelling."

Another common interpretation of Matthews' comment was that if he forgot Obama was black during his speech, it must be part of his thinking the other 23 hours of the day.

Which is not necessarily a bad thing, said Kelley, the North Carolina State professor.

"Obama is forcing people to see blackness," she said, "in a way they haven't had to in the past."

doobs
01-29-2010, 12:37 PM
Didn't Huck Finn say the same thing about Jim?

jack sommerset
01-29-2010, 01:25 PM
Didn't Huck Finn say the same thing about Jim?

:lol

Winehole23
01-29-2010, 02:41 PM
Then we struck out, easy and comfortable, for the island where my raft was; and we could hear them yelling and barking at each other all up and down the bank, till we was so far away the sounds got dim and died out. And when we stepped onto the raft, I says:

"Now, old Jim, you're a free man again, and I bet you won't ever be a slave no more."
"En a mighty good job it wuz, too, Huck. It 'uz planned beautiful, en it 'uz done beautiful; en dey ain't nobody kin git up a plan dat's mo' mixed-up en splendid den what dat one wuz."



We was all as glad as we could be, but Tom was the gladdest of all, because he had a bullet in the calf of his leg.



When me and Jim heard that, we didn't feel so brash as what we did before. It was hurting him considerble, and bleeding; so we laid him in the wigwam and tore up one of the duke's shirts for to bandage him, but he says:



"Gimme the rags, I can do it myself. Don't stop, now; don't fool around here, and the evasion booming along so handsome; man the sweeps, and set her loose! Boys, we done it elegant!- 'deed we did. I wish we'd a had the handling of Louis XVI, there wouldn't a been no 'Son of Saint Louis, ascend to heaven!' wrote down in his biography: no, sir, we'd a whooped him over the border-that's what we'd a done with him- and done it just as slick as nothing at all, too. Man the sweeps- man the sweeps!"


But me and Jim was consulting- and thinking. And after we'd thought a minute, I says:
"Say it, Jim."



So he says:



"Well, den, dis is de way it look to me, Huck. Ef it wuz him dat 'uz bein' sot free, en one er de boys wuz to git shot, would he say, 'Go on en save me, nemmine 'bout a doctor f'r to save dis one? Is dat like Mars Tom Sawyer? Would he say dat? You bet he wouldn't! Well, den, is Jim gwyne to say it? No, sah- I doan' budge a step out'n dis place, 'dout a doctor; not if it's forty year!"


I knowed he was white inside, and I reckoned he'd say what he did say- so it was all right, now, and I told Tom I was agoing for a doctor. He raised considerble row about it, but me and Jim stuck to it and wouldn't budge; so he was for crawling out and setting the raft loose himself; but we wouldn't let him. Then he give us a piece of his mind- but it didn't do no good.

Winehole23
01-29-2010, 03:21 PM
...etc. etc.

doobs
01-29-2010, 03:23 PM
Thanks, WH.

Spursmania
01-29-2010, 03:24 PM
:rolleyes

Winehole23
01-29-2010, 03:31 PM
Thanks, WH.Was that the passage you meant? Or did you have another one in mind? My own memory of the book is spotty.

doobs
01-29-2010, 03:34 PM
Was that the passage you meant? Or did you have another one in mind? My own memory of the book is spotty.

I think that's it. It's been 10 years since I read that book.

Creepn
01-29-2010, 03:41 PM
Didn't Huck Finn say the same thing about Jim?

Sooooooo whats your point?

Winehole23
01-29-2010, 03:42 PM
I fear that under the pressure of scholastic compulsion I may only have pretended to read it in the first place. I picked it up a few years ago and put it down halfway through. I like Twain generally, but the dialect got pretty thick for me in Huck Finn.

Marcus Bryant
01-29-2010, 04:06 PM
thought you might like this wino (http://mises.org/daily/4060)

Winehole23
01-29-2010, 05:01 PM
eh, thanks, that was pretty good. :tu

Winehole23
01-29-2010, 05:06 PM
The two flavors of statism barb was worth the price of admission, though its triumph is impaled on a thorn of regret:


This outlook on the world might be nearly extinguished from politics today (two flavors of statism), but it was the one embraced by Clemens.

Winehole23
02-01-2010, 03:48 PM
Tucker's discussion of play and barter as producing social goods somewhat out of trim with their corresponding economic value was intriguing, I thought.