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draft87

01-30-2010, 10:33 AM

There's been a decent amount of talk regarding Philadelphia's willingness to trade away Andre Iguodala for cap relief.

I believe the recent features on espn.com from Chad Ford and Marc Stein were headlining AI2 more because he's a great player that can/will make a great impact on current contender/already successful teams and less because there's a deal about to come through.

However, you can't deny that he's a fantastic all around player that looks primed to excell on any of the teams in the trade buzz. Philly fans love to pessimistically quip that "he ain't no franchise playa" but so what, he'll be a fucking great Scottie to someone's Michael. ..and he's got the body and skill set to be a 2nd generation Scottie Pippen.

So this thread is to start a discussion about Iguodala's impact to the top teams in the rumor mill. Should the Spurs turn things around and make a title run, there's a very good chance that they'll meet a team featuring Iguodala at some point in the postseason. This IS NOT a thread to debate whether or not Andre Iguodala is or is not as good as Scottie Pippen. Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest players of all time. Andre Iguodala is not. Yet. I'm simply stating that Andre Iguodala is a great player, the Spurs know that. We should respect the fact that he's given the Spurs trouble from Philly and can do more damage on a good team. AI2 is a talented swingman with incredible atheltic ability, excellent defense(man, help, steals, blocks), and the ability to put up a triple double in points, rebounds, and assists. His passing ability for his position combined with the rest of his game puts him in the conversation because many of us are excited to see him play with a top 5 player. His early years with Allen Iverson were 1) his early years and 2) with AI, who although is a great player, is not an NBA champion. ...so please, let's not waste time arguing whether you think Andre Iguodala should be an All-Star.

And since there was a recent article about trades to be expected before the deadline, I will post the article and offer my own take on how a trade invovling him can affect us. This is also an 'Eff You' to those who got their panties in a twist over the Amare thread because they 1) can't take a joke and 2) shit a brick before reading an entire post. You know who you are. Except Allanon. Allanon, in the pubescent words of yourself, "suck yo momma's dick"
....(in case some of you are wondering what I'm talking about, just wait about 20 seconds. Allanon will write something stupid back because Allanon gets offended when accused of acting like a child, stalking Spurstalk members, failing to burn, getting pwned, and getting pwned)

This is a Chad Ford article on ESPN.
THIS IS AN INSIDER ARTICLE. I've posted Insider articles. Insider articles are pretty good. The rumor page isn't. I posted that information and threw in a couple jokes and some people just couldn't handle it. Hey AussieFanKurt, seemed like the case but just making sure YOU weren't offended in your thread. No harm was intended. Was actually trying to help you out. You probably know this. Was just the other hypersensitive jerks that freaked out over nothing. And for the record, yes it's protocol to ask for ESPN Insider info but I agree with EricB, no person's should be guilted into giving away the information they paid their hard earned dollars for. If you can't handle that, "eff you too".
But in the past I've posted articles I thought would help the forum and this one qualifies.

Originally Published: January 29, 2010
Trade Buzz: Who's most likely to deal?

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Over the past couple of weeks, we've looked at more than 30 players who could be traded before the Feb. 18 trade deadline.
For players like Phoenix Suns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=pho) forward Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1727), the trade talk continues to heat up. For others, like Portland Trail Blazers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=por) point guard Andre Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=557), the talk has died down; in Miller's case, GM Kevin Pritchard declared recently that the team doesn't want to trade him.

TRADE OF THE WEEK

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0330/nba_trademachine_110.jpg (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine) Who could use help for the playoffs? How about the defending champs? Here's a potential deal for the Lakers. (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yju285w)

• Trade Machine: Propose a deal (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine)

This week we adjust our gaze to another question: Which teams are most likely to make a deal before the deadline?
Some teams are looking for the missing piece. Others are throwing in the towel and looking to rebuild. And for a few others, the trade deadline is an opportunity to save some serious cash.
Here's a look at the 10 teams most likely to deal:

The contenders

One piece away from a championship?

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Cleveland Cavaliers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cle)
The Cavs are sporting the best record in the league and have swept the Western Conference favorites, the Lakers, 2-0. But after last year's playoff collapse, you can be sure GM Danny Ferry will take every precaution. And Cleveland has another big reason to make a deal: LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966) can be a free agent this summer, and the Cavs want to do everything in their power to persuade him to stay long term.
The Cavs have some good assets, including Zydrunas Ilgauskas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=362) and Shaquille O'Neal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=614), whose contracts are expiring, and the semi-retired Wally Szczerbiak (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=831), a sign-and-trade candidate. They also have a young player, J.J. Hickson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3437), in whom some teams have shown interest. Plus, the Cavs would be willing to give up this year's first-round pick.
But those assets are of value primarily to teams trying to clear cap room. Hickson and a late first-round pick alone won't net a star.
As trade targets, the Cavs have been concentrating mostly on 4s who can spread the floor. The Wizards' Antawn Jamison (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=385) and the Pacers' Troy Murphy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1013) are reportedly at the top of their list. While both the Wizards and Pacers have some financial reasons to make a deal with Cleveland, both teams are seeing whether they can get something more from another team.

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Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal)
The Lakers, like the Cavs, are perched atop their conference at the moment, and they are favored to win a second straight NBA title. So why would they mess with a good thing?
There is a growing fear in L.A. that the point guard position has become a real problem. Starter Derek Fisher looks as though he's run out of gas, and reserve Jordan Farmar (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3002), while decent, is hardly world-class. If the Lakers can acquire even an average point guard, they may have to do it.
They, too, have assets for a team that needs to save money. Both Fisher and Adam Morrison (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3016) come off the books this summer, for a total of more than $10 million in expiring contracts.
The three big names mentioned in connection to Los Angeles have been Devin Harris (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2382), Andre Miller and Kirk Hinrich (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1981). The Nets want more than expiring contracts for Harris, so I think they're out. The Blazers aren't eager to move Miller, especially down the coast to a Western Conference rival. That leaves the Bulls, who want to get further under the salary cap to make a run at two free agents this summer. Hinrich has been solid in a backup role for the Bulls, but he's expendable. While the Lakers would have to commit to the remainder of Hinrich's contract, it's a deal that makes a lot of sense for both sides.

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Orlando Magic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=orl)
The Magic were a preseason pick of many, including me, to make it to the Eastern Conference finals and perhaps beyond. Vince Carter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=136) was supposed to be an upgrade over Hedo Turkoglu (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=862). The addition of Brandon Bass (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2745) and Ryan Anderson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3412) was supposed to give them depth inside. And a healthy Jameer Nelson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2439) was going to put them over the top.
It hasn't happened yet. The Magic have been shaky, playing roughly .500 ball for the past couple of months. Several GMs have told ESPN that the Magic have been aggressive in their efforts to shake up the roster and regain their swagger.
They have a number of assets. They could find takers for several of their reserve bigs, including Marcin Gortat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2758) and Bass. Rashard Lewis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=469) would also garner interest if he were available. And while they would be interested in moving Carter, sources around the league say that the market for VC is lukewarm at best.

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Dallas Mavericks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal)
Mavs owner Mark Cuban has always broken the bank to put a quality team on the floor. This year's Mavs, for instance, have the third-best record in the West and the league's second-highest payroll.
So, despite what he's already spending, Cuban will try to add another piece to put them over the top. Jason Kidd (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=429), Dirk Nowitzki (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=609) and Jason Terry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=841) aren't getting younger. The Mavs need to win now.
The team has a number of unusual and intriguing assets. Josh Howard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2006) is a valuable player, and his contract isn't guaranteed for next season. Likewise, a team can trade for starting center Erick Dampier (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=181) and decide whether to pay him in 2010-11. Between Howard and Dampier, any team (Mavs included) could get about $24 million off the books for next season.
But the Mavs don't have the kind of young talent or draft picks normally needed to sweeten such trades. Because of the Kidd trade, the Nets own the Mavericks' first-round pick this year. Therefore, given NBA rules, the next first-round pick they can trade is their 2012 pick, which doesn't have much value now.
What do the Mavs want? According to the rumblings out there, they are looking for an athletic wing like Philly's Andre Iguodala (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2386) or the Kings' Kevin Martin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2394). Or they'll save their assets to make a move this summer.

Playing the lottery

Looking to next season

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Washington Wizards (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=was)
The Wizards as we knew them appear to be history. Before the season, many of us had them pegged as a potential playoff team. But all of that was on the assumption that the team would have Gilbert Arenas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=974) for the season. Now that Arenas has been suspended for the rest of the season and with his future appearing very shaky, the word is that Washington is contemplating a fire sale.
The Wizards will explore the market for Arenas, of course, but, with four more seasons remaining on a huge contract, he's going to be very difficult to move.
And we've all heard the rampant trade talk about Jamison, Caron Butler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1705) and Brendan Haywood (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1000), whose contract is expiring. Basically no one is safe on the roster at the moment.
Right now, it's not clear exactly how the Wizards want to play this. Will they insist on getting talent back for players like Jamison and Butler, or are they willing to settle for immediate cap relief? If the latter, the chances that the Wizards are active between now and Feb. 18 are very, very high.

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Indiana Pacers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=ind)
The Pacers thought that if everyone stayed healthy this season, they might have a shot at the playoffs. But the team has been a disappointment. While injuries have played a major part in their struggles, there are other problems. T.J. Ford (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1979) has been awful, second-year guard Brandon Rush (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3457) has struggled, and Mike Dunleavy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1708) has been slow to return to form.
With so many teams interested in both Murphy and big man Jeff Foster (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=250), it looks as though the Pacers are primed to make a move that could set them back in the short term and help in the long term.
The question is, what do Pacers execs Larry Bird and David Morway want in return? If they want cap space, there are plenty of willing suitors. If they want more -- and that would be understandable given their dearth of talent -- it may be harder to find the perfect combination.
Whatever they choose, the Pacers' best play appears to be forgetting about this season and looking to the future, even if it means more losses now. The draft might be their quickest route to getting an elite talent, such as John Wall or another high lottery pick, to play alongside Danny Granger (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2760).

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Detroit Pistons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=det)
After Detroit's disappointing 2008-09 season, Pistons GM Joe Dumars knew that the days of his team making the Eastern Conference finals every year were over. But he didn't expect this.
The Pistons, fresh off spending a boatload of money this summer on Ben Gordon (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2381) and Charlie Villanueva (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2792), have been awful. Injuries have played a significant role, but the Pistons' pain goes deeper.
Detroit, known for its gritty defense for most of the past three decades, has become a team interested more in outscoring teams than in stopping them. The talent is also unbalanced, with a loaded backcourt and a desperate need for big men who can guard elite bigs and command a double-team in the post.
Moving Richard Hamilton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=294) would be ideal, but there's probably no way the Pistons can trade his contract right now, especially with Hamilton still trying to get back to full strength. So Tayshaun Prince (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1724) has become the primary bait. But I'm willing to bet everyone but Rodney Stuckey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3235) is available -- and even Stuckey might be had at the right price.
Dumars will be patient as his team returns to health, but ultimately he wants to get the team back into championship contention. His current roster appears to have a ceiling no higher than fifth-best in the East. So I think Dumars will do what it takes to put a stop to the slide.

The tax man cometh

A penny saved is more than a penny earned

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Utah Jazz (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=uth)
Jazz GM Kevin O'Connor continues to insist that the Jazz are interested in making only basketball moves, not cap-related moves. Still, the Jazz could save millions of dollars by moving Carlos Boozer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1703) (or another highly paid player) and getting under the luxury-tax line.
While the Jazz have made cost-saving moves in the past, O'Connor seems to have more swagger this year. But will things change as we get closer to the trade deadline? Knowing O'Connor, I doubt it. Ultimately, though, that might be ownership's decision.

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Philadelphia 76ers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=phi)
It sounds as if the Sixers are very motivated to make a deal that gives them salary relief right now. They've been dangling Iguodala, once the cornerstone of the franchise, to any team willing to take Samuel Dalembert (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=991), too.
Cleveland, Dallas and Houston have been mentioned as possible suitors. While Iguodala might be a little overpaid (and Dalembert is way overpaid), both players could help a team. Given that, I have to believe Philadelphia is going to find a way to make this happen.

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Golden State Warriors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=gsw)
The Warriors have been stiff-arming all trade rumors and declaring that they like the young guys they have and just want to be patient and let them develop together.
At the same time, general manager Larry Riley recently said, "We're in a situation where we need to look very strongly at change." And the winds might be shifting for another reason: If owner Chris Cohan is interested in selling the team, as reports have suggested, then a salary dump becomes more likely.
That may be why Monta Ellis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2751) and Corey Maggette (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=497), despite having strong seasons, are appearing more and more in trade talk. And if names like Anthony Randolph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3455) and Stephen Curry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3975) start coming up in trade discussions, you'll know that the Warriors are contemplating big changes.
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xtremesteven33

01-30-2010, 10:43 AM

MaNu4Tres

01-30-2010, 10:50 AM

I'm not quite sure , but I believe there is a trade thread. Then again I could be wrong.

draft87

01-30-2010, 10:53 AM

So my take:
I hope he DOESN'T get moved. I like the 76ers. I follow them 2nd to the Spurs. This season has been extremely disappointing. Last year was too, even though they turned it around(I think they only turned it around 200 degrees). I've been praying for 3 years that Dalembert got moved. That's probably only happening if Iguodala gets moved. I still don't want AI2 moved. After Dalembert I'd like Brand moved but that's not happening. But this thread isn't about the 76ers.....

-Mavs
I really, really hope he doesn't get moved to Dallas. Obviously I don't want improvements made to our prime division rival(Houston talk up soon). Dallas right now is a better team. I don't think we can defend them yet. We've never had an answer for Dirk and what do we do if they come at us with:
1- Kidd, Barea, Beaubois
2- Iguodala, Terry
3- Marion, Thomas
4- Nowitzki, Najera
5- Dampier, Gooden

I don't like thinking about this. How do we match up with them? Iguodala is big for 2 guard. I see George Hill willing his way to a decent matchup but what about second string? They come out with Jason Terry. Even if they use Iggy as a forward we still are looking at a rotation of

1-Kidd, Beaubois
2-Barea, Terry
3-Iguodala, Marion
4-Nowitzki, Thomas, Najera
5-(Dalembert*)Gooden, (Dampier*)

*According to Chad Ford, which I believe is true since I know for a fact that Philly really wants to dump Dalembert, the 76ers will only deal Iguodala if the team takes on Dalembert. Dalembert pretty much sucks because of his inconsistency. But knowing our luck he'll play the monster games he's capable of in a 7 game series vs the Spurs. ugh. Dude can put up a 15-20 or even 20-20 if he's up for it. plus 5 blocks if he gets lucky. Only plus is that when he misses a block he leaves the lane open and any night there's a chance he'll disappear and put up a 2-5 plus foul trouble all night.
Anyway,
Dampier and Dalembert match up pretty closely in salary. I see the 76ers taking Dampier because next year's salary is barely guaranteed. I actually like this part of the trade. Dalembert CAN be a solid defensive player but I see an opening for Tim, McDyess, and Blair to wreck shit up inside with a bonehead in the paint. Might take the weight off of trying to contain all the scorers at every position besides the 5.

draft87

01-30-2010, 10:55 AM

I'm not quite sure , but I believe there is a trade thread. Then again I could be wrong.

sorry, my post got all chopped up and I erased it when I tried to edit. god that sucked. I got it back up and I'm adding the actual take on each team getting him.

draft87

01-30-2010, 11:05 AM

Iguodala would be a great 2nd option on this Spurs team. Manu doesnt look like hes gonna be at that allstar level again. So we need someon who can score easily and one on one situations.

A trade for him would do good

I totally agree that he would be a great 2nd option. He can score, pass, rebound, AND PLAY DEFENSE. I was really hoping to get him before Philly finally signed him to an extension. I didn't actually think we'd get him though, because he turned down a decent offer 2 or 3 years ago(whichever was a year before he signed his current extension). Since he wanted bigger money I figured the only way to get him was to go into the tax(which at the time we didn't do) or have Tim call him and do his, "we want you, I want you on the team. Get a ring, give up some salary" phone call/text message....and yeah, like that would ever happen/work. I still don't think he's not overpaid. What he ended up with wasn't that much more than he turned down. But yeah the Manu/Iggy salaries are kinda close.

Do you think losing Manu's team-veteran presence, leadership, and intangibles are worth gaining Iggy's skills? That's a really tough question for me because 1) I think there's a future to build with Iggy-his contract length actual helps to keep him around for the inevitable rebuild 2)I don't think he's that overpaid, maybe with a decreasing salary cap, but when he was signed I actually thought he could've gotten more considering the ridiculous deal they gave Elton Brand

I think Iggy's defense is worth the deal. I know, I'm cringing as I say it. But the fact that you can have him for what, 4 more years AND he has the potential to really be the big wing defender that we want RJ to be makes me say yes.

Iggy's passing is way undervalued. I imagine him getting a steal and running a break and making RJ a better player in the process. Remember the success RJ had in the break when J Kidd was hooking him up? Obviously AI2 is not JKidd, but he's still a really good passer that gets his Philly teammates points(look up some Thaddeus Young, Lou Williams, Marreese Speights highlights) I probably spelled it 'wrong' why do people have to try to come up with 'clever and cute' new ways to spell names? Why can't that just be considered wrong? Maurice. There I said it.

benefactor

01-30-2010, 11:08 AM

And since there was a recent article about trades to be expected before the deadline, I will post the article and offer my own take on how a trade invovling him can affect us. This is also an 'Eff You' to those who got their panties in a twist over the Amare thread because they 1) can't take a joke and 2) shit a brick before reading an entire post. You know who you are. Except Allanon. Allanon, in the pubescent words of yourself, "suck yo momma's dick"
....(in case some of you are wondering what I'm talking about, just wait about 20 seconds. Allanon will write something stupid back because Allanon gets offended when accused of acting like a child, stalking Spurstalk members, failing to burn, getting pwned, and getting pwned)

Insider articles are pretty good. The rumor page isn't. I posted that information and threw in a couple jokes and some people just couldn't handle it. Hey AussieFanKurt, seemed like the case but just making sure YOU weren't offended in your thread. No harm was intended. Was actually trying to help you out. You probably know this. Was just the other hypersensitive jerks that freaked out over nothing. And for the record, yes it's protocol to ask for ESPN Insider info but I agree with EricB, no person's should be guilted into giving away the information they paid their hard earned dollars for. If you can't handle that, "eff you too".

No one gives a shit about you being able post insider articles. There are other members here that have insider access and can post the articles without having to listen to your douchebaggery. Chad Ford is one of the most overrated sources on the net and most of the info he has can be found elsewhere. Hell, the writers on Yahoo who give away the info for free are much more reliable...so all in all insider is probably a waste of money and time.

scottspurs

01-30-2010, 11:23 AM

draft87

01-30-2010, 11:26 AM

Houston

So the word is that Houston will only consider sending Tracy McGrady's contract to Philly if they get Andre Iguodala. The salary's don't work but I know that Philly really wants to free themselves of Samuel Dalembert so those three guys might be the deal.

McGrady for Iguodala/Dalembert

Does this make Houston better? Yes. Much better. Can Carl Landry still be the star 6th man with two knew players who play real minutes? Yes. I'm obviously hoping this trade doesn't happen.

I've only watched about 10 Houston games this year so I don't have a feel for their rotations yet, but getting a star swingman in Iguodala opens up a lot of options. They can use him as a guard and take a load off Brooks by using Lowry as a backup point guard instead of a two guard. I know they've had success with them side-by-side but Brooks is gonna need a blow if they want to make a deep run in the post season.

Chase Budinger can get some time at shooting guard? I don't have a feel for his skills, he might just fall out of the rotation if they still want to give the frontcourt combo of Lowry/Brooks a few minutes. They'll still have Battier to big a beast at the two spot but I'm cringing at the nonstop rotation of Ariza and Battier at small forward. They can be so tough on D with this rotation.

Now for Dalembert, I'm not sure if they'd want to keep Hayes starting. On paper he's extremely undersized but he's been able to pull it off with his weight and strong legs. But now Houston gets a 'legit' center who can block and alter shots. They'll get a lot more rebounds and blocked shots from a Hayes/Dalembert combo instead of Hayes/Andersen. Maybe Carl Landry tears it up even more if he's backing down power forwards while there's another big on the floor at the same time! That's scary.

Again, I don't really know their existing rotations so this an NBA.com-caliber review but look at Houston's roster possibilities. Obviously this trade is a win for them. They lose the upcoming cap space(are they really gonna get Bosh anyway?) but they get a significant improvement in depth by acquiring two impact players for someone they have not used all season(8mpg as an "eff you, you screwed us over last year, you only get 8mpg, we'll trade you for whoever we want to eff'n trade you for, don't let the door hit you on the way out" don't count as 'being used')

1- Brooks, Lowry
2- Iguodala, Budinger
3- Battier, Ariza
4-Scola, Landry
5-Hayes, Dalembert, Andersen

exstatic

01-30-2010, 11:33 AM

The ESPN Insider was just a website originally run by some yahoos that had no more cred than hoopsworld. That's why it sucks. They just bought it and branded it with ESPN, and somehow, people believe that shit now.

exstatic

01-30-2010, 11:34 AM

Very unlikely the Spurs would do this, but the 76ers would make this trade in a heart beat if the Spurs threw in a first round pick:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhatnyw

With the hard cap coming, the Spurs would never do that trade. Too many years at too many $$ left on those deals, especially Brand's.

DynastySpurs210

01-30-2010, 11:47 AM

Very unlikely the Spurs would do this, but the 76ers would make this trade in a heart beat if the Spurs threw in a first round pick:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhatnyw

Um well, we don't need Elton Brand this trade would sound better.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfsjnwr

draft87

01-30-2010, 11:51 AM

i have ESPN insider and they are usually reliable for MLB rumors and they are great for NFL fans during the draft because Mel Kiper is the best in the business. It is also nice to have insider if you are a college sports fan and you follow recruiting.

That being said the insider information provided for NBA coverage is usually unreliable. They come up with the craziest rumors that on a percentage basis rarely happen or even come close to happening. When it comes to the draft I usually stick to DraftExpress. To me it seems like the insider writers for ESPN NBA come up with rumors they believe make sense rather than rumors that are backed by sources having some truth behind it. Usually when they do have rumors that have truth to them they quote secondary sources like yahoo as their source.

I agree with you on that. I think the imbalance of quality/reliability reflects on the culture of each sport. Basketball journalism involves of lot of crappy speculation regarding trades.
Regarding the basketball rumor writers- I've written before but for some reason been slammed for it- ESPN has an internet team that keyword searches each team to gather the info. They'll take blogs from the writers at the local newspaper-The Amare thing was from Mike Monroe at mysa.com. The blog written to make you go, "What the...Amare to the Spurs...OH....every team inquires about what it takes to get x player on their team. This is possible in the sense that every trade is possible since every team talks but there's been no confirmed conversation further than, "what is Amare available for?"
Sometimes they'll simply take a 48moh or whatever local blog and post it in the rumor page and even more disappointing, they'll make a rumor out of a chat between a fan and one of their featured writers-The Tayshaun Prince rumor was a question to John Hollinger. -"can tayshuan prince be a spur?"

(which reminds me, hey dude that wrote that question and then apparently plugged their own appearance with Hollinger! That email you wrote me, would you please write it again but this time in English? Thanks.
I know a little bit of gibberish so I think you said,
"Good Day, please don't burst my bubble. I'm enjoying my fame on SpursTalk. Don't tell anymore people that my fantasies can't come true. I'm famous online and on youtube for asking John Hollinger questions. Chill CIA. I'm calling you CIA because I didn't think people on SpursTalk would realize that I'm making a thread to plug myself even though I know the rumor holds no credence."
But I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt from my gibberish-to-English translation on babblefish so by all means, if I'm wrong, please rewrite the email so it can be read and I will credit your fame accordingly.

Big P

01-30-2010, 12:00 PM

draft87

01-30-2010, 12:06 PM

No one gives a shit about you being able post insider articles. There are other members here that have insider access and can post the articles without having to listen to your douchebaggery. Chad Ford is one of the most overrated sources on the net and most of the info he has can be found elsewhere. Hell, the writers on Yahoo who give away the info for free are much more reliable...so all in all insider is probably a waste of money and time.

Dear Benefactor,

Thank for you the chuckle I got from the irony of you not giving a shit about the Insider article but reading it and then replying.

....Like the band Rage Against the Machine who was all pro-communism but had tons of merchandise..... get all angry and then fail.

Thanks for debating the rating of Chad Ford in a thread about the Spurs matching up against Andre Inguodala. ....well, I guess it could be worse, you could have said something like, "nobody give a shit about Andre Iguodala. He is NOT as good as Scottie Pippen." but you still contributed nothing. Thanks for raising the bar.

I'm sorry that you have trouble controlling your envy for those who are "being able post insider articles". Hopefully you can get over it and then be able to tell the difference between, "totally awesome, rated #1", "pretty good", and "isn't pretty good". .... and then either participate in the discussion or get out. If you need to start a new thread about how much better you feel about yourself for not spending money on Insider go ahead and waste someone else's time.

Suck it easy.

Whisky Dog

01-30-2010, 12:18 PM

draft87

01-30-2010, 12:22 PM

This.

As for AI2...another pipe dream....other teams can offer A LOT better package than we could...for instance dallas is very interested & would start with a package of josh howard...portland & the suns are also interested & can make better offers.

There's this interesting parallel between people overreacting/getting pissed and people who can't read.

To those lame-o's getting all hussy about wishful thinking. Where in this post is there a mention of "Spurs trade for Iguodala"? This is an exact quote from the post.

"So this thread is to start a discussion about Iguodala's impact to the top teams in the rumor mill. Should the Spurs turn things around and make a title run, there's a very good chance that they'll meet a team featuring Iguodala at some point in the postseason."

I even wrote it pretty much at the beginning and in bold. Wtf? I didn't say a single word about the Spurs getting Iguodala until responding to someone else replying about getting him. Even then I thought it was weird that was the response....

So if you don't have anything to add to the discussion, fine. Don't respond. You want to read the article, fine. But don't complain or get the hell out.

....but I'm guessing someone's going to tell me, "Dude, don't expect any better from a numbskull who can't even read one complete sentence. Let the idiots, be idiots."

Big P

01-30-2010, 12:31 PM

lol...your title says "What an Iguodala trade would mean to the Spur's title hopes"

I would consider that mentioning it.

benefactor

01-30-2010, 12:53 PM

Dear Benefactor,

Thank for you the chuckle I got from the irony of you not giving a shit about the Insider article but reading it and then replying.

....Like the band Rage Against the Machine who was all pro-communism but had tons of merchandise..... get all angry and then fail.

I didn't even read the article. I got as far as your comments and responded. There was no need to go any further because Ford is not going to give me any info that is worthwhile...it's either all bullshit or I have heard it somewhere else already.

Thanks for debating the rating of Chad Ford in a thread about the Spurs matching up against Andre Inguodala. ....well, I guess it could be worse, you could have said something like, "nobody give a shit about Andre Iguodala. He is NOT as good as Scottie Pippen." but you still contributed nothing. Thanks for raising the bar.

And you posting worthless articles while giving us your holier than thou speech about having access to them is raising the bar. Got it.

I'm sorry that you have trouble controlling your envy for those who are "being able post insider articles". Hopefully you can get over it and then be able to tell the difference between, "totally awesome, rated #1", "pretty good", and "isn't pretty good". .... and then either participate in the discussion or get out. If you need to start a new thread about how much better you feel about yourself for not spending money on Insider go ahead and waste someone else's time.

Suck it easy.
I'm sorry...thought I said nobody gives a shit about insider. Nobody gives a shit about insider. There. I said it again.

draft87

01-30-2010, 01:28 PM

lol...your title says "What an Iguodala trade would mean to the Spur's title hopes"

I would consider that mentioning it.

hahahahahaha.

You didn't even read the response.

Yeah, "trade". In bold or not, "trade" does not mean, "trade to the Spurs".

What I wrote in bold was, "the Spurs could face a team that Iguodala goes to"

So
What an Iguodala trade would mean to the Spurs' titles hopes if he were to go to: Dallas, Houston, Cleveland. And just so you don't go all idiot on us again: Cleveland is not in the Western conference BUT they are a potential Eastern Conference Champion and therefore a possible opponent in the Finals. The Finals, the series you have to win to win an NBA title.

Just like I said, another idiot that thinks the only way to talk about a trade is if the trade is between someone and the Spurs... as if a trade between other teams doesn't have the possibility of affecting the Spurs. Yeah, we didn't lose the 2008 Western Conference Finals.

and again like I said, didn't read the post, but thought it was ok to add something totally worthless and irrelevant.

Did you go to see Freddy Got Fingered and then get really bummed that it wasn't about the Village People?

PublicOption

01-30-2010, 01:40 PM

Um well, we don't need Elton Brand this trade would sound better.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfsjnwr

this is what we need a shooting guard that can defend.

PublicOption

01-30-2010, 01:50 PM

IF we could get this guy I think our troubles would be over.

draft87

01-30-2010, 02:11 PM

I didn't even read the article. I got as far as your comments and responded. There was no need to go any further because Ford is not going to give me any info that is worthwhile...it's either all bullshit or I have heard it somewhere else already.

And you posting worthless articles while giving us your holier than thou speech about having access to them is raising the bar. Got it.

I'm sorry...thought I said nobody gives a shit about insider. Nobody gives a shit about insider. There. I said it again.

Yeah you didn't say it the first time. Therefore you didn't say it again. Anger makes you think all screwy, doesn't it? Why are you so angry that I'm in an argument with someone besides you?

You said, in a less coherent way, you don't care if I can access Insider or not. I too said I don't care who does. If you weren't having anger management problems you wouldda read that I've never posted an Insider article and gave a shit.... but recently was given a hard time for saying to someone that the Rumors part of Insider was worthless instead of just posting the rumor. I thought that was total bullshit, the attempt to be all, "justice for all, we all share all of our paid privelages with all".

It was lame cause here are these hippies crying because the world isn't fair when what I actually said was

"joke, the rumors suck, jokes, rumor page is totally never gonna happen, joke, here's how to see if a rumor is just a reprint of someone's blog but for free, joke."

A handful of idiots just couldn't take it. I HAD TO PRINT THE RUMOR OR I WAS A FUCKING ASSHOLE. EricB was kind of enough to make a point and I thanked him even though I don't mind posting the articles as long as they're not the lame rumors. Still, none of these events involved you but you had to start this shit...

Maybe I should have written it differently so those with paranoid guilt didn't flip out. I could have said,

"Here's today's Insider article about trades(and Iguodala). I normally don't say anything about this but since I was recently accused of being an asshole for not posting a rumor I'd like to remind the dickheads that I've always posted an Insider article that wasn't already on the board AND NEVER said a word about it. But I want to thank EricB for backing me up because you people are way out of line for cussing me out especially when I wasn't blowing the guy off, I just said that it wasn't worth printing and told him how to get the same info for free."

now who's "holier than thou"? You knew none of that was aimed at you but you have to sniff it out and be involved? I have to word everything around your sensitive temper? A man's got a right to defend himself without some other jerk butting in. Right? If you had to deal with some lame, uncalled-for jabs towards yourself would you want me jumping in and freaking out because I can't handle two other people having a discussion without me?

Dude you weren't even involved in the nonsense that I was referring to. I did say, "you know who you are." You know that wasn't you, right? Are you mega-paranoid with a guilty conscience? Did you steal someone's Insider Login and think I was talking about you? Does that even matter? No it doesn't it. So why get all fussy and start this crap? Do you need attention? Is that some kind of inferiority complex? Someone else is arguing about Insider access and you can't participate so you have to shit talk Insider and start throwing net-grenades?

"Yeah well, if I can't get Insider, then I don't care about Insider. I'm better than Insider. If I can't play on that team, well, I don't want to play on that team. That's How I Cope!"

This was supposed to be a serious conversation. If Iguodala goes to Dallas or Houston the Spurs could be in trouble. 2% of the post was about my beef with someone that is NOT YOU. 100% of your post was about your feelings towards Insider and my access to it.

draft87

01-30-2010, 02:49 PM

I believe his point is that you don't have to act like such an asshole whether or not you want to post your articles or not. If you don't want to post them, fine, but like I said in the other thread you don't have to be a giant dick about it. The issue isn't about insider articles, it's about you being an asshole. Tone that shit down 100% and you'd get along better here, unless you're just some established poster's troll to get their asshole aggressions out.

I believe at this point you are a total idiot. Did you actually read the other thread that you lost your shit on? I seriously think you have an emotional issue. You probably skimmed the opening joke, read it wrong, got offended, didn't read the rest but then went on to throw a verbal grenade when you should have just read the damn thing agian. How does that post get you worked up? Dude, the original poster didn't even get offended. The fucking guy who asked the question that I responded to didn't get offended. That should tell you something...That you're overreacting and should apologize.

The post does this:
1) a joke. with a clear -I'm joking- sign
2) reassures kurt that there's no story, nothing to waste time on
3) explains that espn rumors are almost never true or old news
4) uses a blatant example/story to affirm that the rumors aren't good
5) explains how to find the original source of the rumor for free, quickly,and discover the level of integrity of the source
6) ends with a self-conscious joke

I even wrote this back after someone pointed out how everyone was freaking out. I had no idea it happened because when I wrote that I thought,

"Ok, I did my good deed today, told a guy, overseas like myself, the skinny on espn.com's rumors. The Amare thing is 200% illegitimate and he won't get excited for nothing. He knows how to satisfy his curiousities in the future if he's on espn.com and can't get someone on ST to help out, he can look up the original story from the method I told him and then see for himself that there's no basis to ESPNs headline."

You had no business talking to me like that before.
Members should absolutely be allowed to defend themselves. ala if you write some uncalled for cussing at me I can write it back without you getting all hussy AGAIN. ...Especially when it's against some bogus nonsense.

I have no enemies here. Yeah, I taunt the cliff-jumpers and the ones who live on this board just to find something negative to complain about, and I stick up for myself when there's a jerk slinging some lame stuff. But that's the extent of the friction I encounter. I contribute threads with real basketball talk that promote discussion. I encourage leaving emotion at the game and discourage pointless arguments. And did you actually look at my posts yet? When the hell did I post an Insider article and complain about it? I called you an asshole in this post for the aforementioned reasons. This shit can stop if you don't perpetuate it.

2% of my thread said, "screw you for being a jerk". You dedicate your time to ignoring Spurs basketball so that you can start a beef with me over not appreciating you.

Are you going to flip out every time someone calls you out for being a jerk? Are you gonna go postal at the notion of someone having a different sense of humor than you?
can you control your emotions! What if you skim a post and get upset before you can finish? What will you do?
a) you walk away and ignore someone saying 'asshole' things
b) you respond to every single post that includes something that you think is being "asshole" God, please just stop the assholes. Nobody can approach the asshole realm or I will do something about it!
c) you read the whole post before making up your mind?

Now you can go read the actual posts in the other thread. Seriously, that shit's not edited. I'll accept an apology for that other thread but I'm not going to beg. Anything else I will consider crossing the line. I'm not threatening you or anything lame like that. There's no, "I'll kick your ass" factor involved. We can disagree, but if you ignore what I'm saying keep this up I will consider the line crossable for myself from this moment forward. I wrote no bad to you or anyone else in that thread and I never planned on picking a fight. Remember, Kurt didn't even get offended by what I said. The way I see it is that a few of you guys are very sensitive and need to realize that that's not anyone's problem but your own. I think I got ambushed and whether you want to re-examine the things you said or not, remember this: the post that offended you was about basketball. This thread is about basketball. Your posts are about manners. I expect in the future you put your sensitivity in check and keep this to talking about basketball. Stay out of my way.

draft87

01-30-2010, 02:52 PM

this is what we need a shooting guard that can defend.

IF we could get this guy I think our troubles would be over.

Well, unfortunately, we're not going to get this guy. I just realized people are just reading the title and replying. This thread, as stated in bold, is about rival teams getting him. We have to accept this as a possibility. I think it's really bad news for us if it happens.

benefactor

01-30-2010, 02:54 PM

Yeah you didn't say it the first time. Therefore you didn't say it again. Anger makes you think all screwy, doesn't it? Why are you so angry that I'm in an argument with someone besides you?

You said, in a less coherent way, you don't care if I can access Insider or not. I too said I don't care who does. If you weren't having anger management problems you wouldda read that I've never posted an Insider article and gave a shit.... but recently was given a hard time for saying to someone that the Rumors part of Insider was worthless instead of just posting the rumor. I thought that was total bullshit, the attempt to be all, "justice for all, we all share all of our paid privelages with all".

It was lame cause here are these hippies crying because the world isn't fair when what I actually said was

"joke, the rumors suck, jokes, rumor page is totally never gonna happen, joke, here's how to see if a rumor is just a reprint of someone's blog but for free, joke."

A handful of idiots just couldn't take it. I HAD TO PRINT THE RUMOR OR I WAS A FUCKING ASSHOLE. EricB was kind of enough to make a point and I thanked him even though I don't mind posting the articles as long as they're not the lame rumors. Still, none of these events involved you but you had to start this shit...

Maybe I should have written it differently so those with paranoid guilt didn't flip out. I could have said,

"Here's today's Insider article about trades(and Iguodala). I normally don't say anything about this but since I was recently accused of being an asshole for not posting a rumor I'd like to remind the dickheads that I've always posted an Insider article that wasn't already on the board AND NEVER said a word about it. But I want to thank EricB for backing me up because you people are way out of line for cussing me out especially when I wasn't blowing the guy off, I just said that it wasn't worth printing and told him how to get the same info for free."

now who's "holier than thou"? You knew none of that was aimed at you but you have to sniff it out and be involved? I have to word everything around your sensitive temper? A man's got a right to defend himself without some other jerk butting in. Right? If you had to deal with some lame, uncalled-for jabs towards yourself would you want me jumping in and freaking out because I can't handle two other people having a discussion without me?

Dude you weren't even involved in the nonsense that I was referring to. I did say, "you know who you are." You know that wasn't you, right? Are you mega-paranoid with a guilty conscience? Did you steal someone's Insider Login and think I was talking about you? Does that even matter? No it doesn't it. So why get all fussy and start this crap? Do you need attention? Is that some kind of inferiority complex? Someone else is arguing about Insider access and you can't participate so you have to shit talk Insider and start throwing net-grenades?

"Yeah well, if I can't get Insider, then I don't care about Insider. I'm better than Insider. If I can't play on that team, well, I don't want to play on that team. That's How I Cope!"

This was supposed to be a serious conversation. If Iguodala goes to Dallas or Houston the Spurs could be in trouble. 2% of the post was about my beef with someone that is NOT YOU. 100% of your post was about your feelings towards Insider and my access to it.
http://home.blarg.net/~wayule/graphics/serious.jpg

ohmwrecker

01-30-2010, 02:56 PM

this is what we need a shooting guard that can defend.

I think the Spurs have enough of their own issues to deal with without worrying about what potential trades other teams might make. I don't give a shit what the Dallas Mavericks may or may not do. We just have to beat the other team. It doesn't matter who they put out there, we have to beat them. Do or die. You guys have the wrong attitude. How does Iggy going to another team make the Spurs a better team? It shouldn't effect the Spurs at all. It's completely insignificant.

benefactor

01-30-2010, 02:56 PM

rofl half page posts about anger while getting angry himself.

benefactor

01-30-2010, 02:58 PM

Stay out of my way.
Or what?

ohmwrecker

01-30-2010, 03:01 PM

Apologies to PublicOption. I did not intend to quote you there.

draft87

01-30-2010, 03:09 PM

http://home.blarg.net/~wayule/graphics/serious.jpg

benefactor: "I concede that I really have no business adding anything to the discussion"(in a less coherent way)

rofl half page posts about anger while getting angry himself.

I'm angry because you say so? I guess that's the problem with people who have anger management issues. They can't tell the difference between annoyed and angry. Who's the one spending the time to get taunting pictures up not related to Spurs basketball?

Or what?

Remember that part where I said you need to get help for your problem with other people getting attention? Yeah, this is a post for someone else. You have to wait your turn or else you won't get dessert after dinner. Now go eat your vegetables and behave.

Blackjack

01-30-2010, 03:09 PM

I

Have

A

Belly

Button :)

draft87

01-30-2010, 03:17 PM

I think the Spurs have enough of their own issues to deal with without worrying about what potential trades other teams might make. I don't give a shit what the Dallas Mavericks may or may not do. We just have to beat the other team. It doesn't matter who they put out there, we have to beat them. Do or die. You guys have the wrong attitude. How does Iggy going to another team make the Spurs a better team? It shouldn't effect the Spurs at all. It's completely insignificant.

Iggy going to another team doesn't make the Spurs a better team. Where did you get that? Iggy going to a rival team can make them better.

Yes, no matter what we have to be the better team but considering this can be a momentum changing trade I'd like to be mentally prepared for it. And since I'm thinking about it, I'd like to have these rated in order of worst to best possible scenarios. I don't want to wake up one day and find out that a rival like the Lakers just got much, much better last night and that instantly there's a much lesser chance of winning it all this year. (I'm obviously referring to the Gasol trade) Those types of transactions affect the whole league, not just the two teams in question, and especially the rivals.

Even though you still have to win, you have to respect the opponent. And as a fan, I want to know what's up with the competition. I can't just watch a game saying, "I don't care who they play I just want them to win."

Do you really not care if the Mavericks suddenly become a much harder to team to beat?

ohmwrecker

01-30-2010, 03:24 PM

Do you really not care if the Mavericks suddenly become a much harder to team to beat?

No. No, I don't.

You sure do get wound up easily. Too much sugar?

draft87

01-30-2010, 03:38 PM

No. No, I don't.

You sure do get wound up easily. Too much sugar?

Why do you think I'm wound up? I thought I offered a pretty civil response to your opinion. I acknowledged the points I agreed with and offered a more detailed counter to what I disagreed with...I didn't say anything like, "you guys have the wrong attitude"

ChumpDumper

01-30-2010, 03:43 PM

Are we trading Parker or firing Pop?

If so, I'm for it.

ohmwrecker

01-30-2010, 03:48 PM

Well, you might be right. I seriously doubt it, but maybe so. It is my sincere hope that the random possibilty of the Dallas Mavericks acquiring Andre Iguodala would not negatively effect any one Spurs player. That is a loser's attitude and it doesn't belong anywhere in professional sports. Just my opinion, so take it or leave it, but I believe this discussion has run it's course.

draft87

01-30-2010, 03:52 PM

Are we trading Parker or firing Pop?

If so, I'm for it.

yawn.

ohmwrecker

01-30-2010, 03:54 PM

yawn.

Hey! We agree on something.

UnWantedTheory

01-30-2010, 04:04 PM

^^^ Completely.

UnWantedTheory

01-30-2010, 04:05 PM

:flag:

benefactor

01-30-2010, 04:06 PM

benefactor: "I concede that I really have no business adding anything to the discussion"(in a less coherent way)

What discussion? Oh...you mean the one where you act like a douche while posting a useless Chad Ford article using your privileged access to ROFL Insider. You right, I'm not really interested in that discussion.

I'm angry because you say so? I guess that's the problem with people who have anger management issues. They can't tell the difference between annoyed and angry. Who's the one spending the time to get taunting pictures up not related to Spurs basketball?

I HAD TO PRINT THE RUMOR OR I WAS A FUCKING ASSHOLE.
You are right, this sentence suggest complete and total calm.

Remember that part where I said you need to get help for your problem with other people getting attention? Yeah, this is a post for someone else. You have to wait your turn or else you won't get dessert after dinner. Now go eat your vegetables and behave.
Will I have to go straight to bed too?

Allanon

01-30-2010, 04:10 PM

http://home.blarg.net/~wayule/graphics/serious.jpg

:lol

UnWantedTheory

01-30-2010, 04:15 PM

It could have been a semi-interesting topic...

UnWantedTheory

01-30-2010, 04:16 PM

But he is kind of an asshole.

ohmwrecker

01-30-2010, 04:28 PM

I

Have

A

Belly

Button :)

I think this dude really summarized this thread in a clear, objective and concise manner.

benefactor

01-30-2010, 04:30 PM

I think this dude really summarized this thread in a clear, objective and concise manner.
:tu

Stringer_Bell

01-30-2010, 04:41 PM

I won't speculate on how Iguodala would be the best option for this if they went after him, or how much of a problem he'd be if we encountered him in the playoffs in a rival team, but I do know I could see him in silver and black the same way I could never seen AI in silver and black.

MaNu4Tres

01-30-2010, 04:46 PM

What I think of this thread....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35XI37SVVYI

E-RockWill

01-30-2010, 04:49 PM

Blackjack

01-30-2010, 04:51 PM

Some belly buttons are greater than others, unfortunately. :depressed

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:7tw4jEQVvJwv2M:http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii178/mertzrl/BellyButton.jpg

TJastal

01-30-2010, 04:51 PM

now who's "holier than thou"? You knew none of that was aimed at you but you have to sniff it out and be involved? I have to word everything around your sensitive temper? A man's got a right to defend himself without some other jerk butting in. Right? If you had to deal with some lame, uncalled-for jabs towards yourself would you want me jumping in and freaking out because I can't handle two other people having a discussion without me

alright alright. I like it when there's a mediator. So I'll be the mediator in this one. Both of you, take it easy. It's really funny, but soon it's gonna get lame. not taking any sides, just trying to help.

I couldn't resist posting these contradictory statements together. :donkey :smokin

benefactor

01-30-2010, 04:55 PM

I couldn't resist posting these contradictory statements together. :donkey :smokin
http://www.antville.org/static/oelie/images/bruce%20lee%20animated%20gif.gif

E-RockWill

01-30-2010, 04:56 PM

Some belly buttons are greater than others, unfortunately. :depressed

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:7tw4jEQVvJwv2M:http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii178/mertzrl/BellyButton.jpg

:lmao

Blackjack

01-30-2010, 04:56 PM

:lol

benefactor

01-30-2010, 04:56 PM

Some belly buttons are greater than others, unfortunately. :depressed

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:7tw4jEQVvJwv2M:http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii178/mertzrl/BellyButton.jpg
:lol

benefactor

01-30-2010, 04:58 PM

The moral of the story kids:

Being a condescending douche on ST will get you raped.

Blackjack

01-30-2010, 05:12 PM

:dramaquee
:depressed
Sheesh people.....

Yes, as a Spurs fan, IMO you should worry about your opponents getting stronger. BUT (he he, I said but), the better conversation is how the Spurs would match up & win against those stronger rivals (especially in playoffs/finals).

It is acceptable to comment that you would like AI2 on the Spurs.

It is acceptable for someone to think you're a dick.

It is acceptable for you to have a bellybutton.

It is NOT acceptable for you to post something simply to pompously grandstand, which I suspect is the reason you post in the first place.:bang

Deuces......

This post was truly brilliant. He managed to work in but(t), dick, bellybutton and deuces all in one post; for that he should be commended (a boobies and/or taint addition might have put it in the conversation for greatest post in the history of the interwebs ever).

E-RockWill... That guy's got a future.:tu

The moral of the story kids:

Being a condescending douche on ST will get you raped.

And not in the good way, either..

E-RockWill

01-30-2010, 05:14 PM

This post was truly brilliant. He managed to work in but(t), dick, bellybutton and deuces all in one post; for that he should be commended (a boobies and/or taint addition might have put it in the conversation for greatest post in the history of the interwebs ever).

E-RockWill... That guy's got a future.:tu

And not in the good way, either..

is it to late to add "pussy hurtin'". There's always the edit button....

Blackjack

01-30-2010, 05:17 PM

No, Grasshopper.

It has to come natural and in the flow; kinda like dropping a deuce (that shit's not good to force).

E-RockWill

01-30-2010, 05:19 PM

No, Grasshopper.

It has to come natural and in the flow; kinda like dropping a deuce (that shit's not good to force).

I hear a "dooong" off in the distance. My flow is usually quite heavy, but I'm on the pill now.....

Oh yeah, thanks for the compliment. I had to add to my sig. Classic shit....

Blackjack

01-30-2010, 05:22 PM

I hear a "dooong" off in the distance. My flow is usually quite heavy, but I'm on the pill now.....

Suppository?

SpurCharger

01-30-2010, 05:22 PM

id take iggy and dalembert in a heartbeat..... we would then be right there with the lakers, cavs, and Celts

E-RockWill

01-30-2010, 05:27 PM

id take iggy and dalembert in a heartbeat..... we would then be right there with the lakers, cavs, and Celts

Ooooohhhh, draft is gonna be mad @ you......

spurtech09

01-30-2010, 07:06 PM

only in are dreams

Dunc n Dave

01-30-2010, 07:21 PM

The only way this trade happens is if the Spurs get desperate and trade both Manu and Jefferson for Dalembert and Iguodala. It would basically be trading offense for defense.

It works in the trade machine, helps Philly get rid of Dalembert's contract (which is what they want to do most of all), clears $10 million off next year's cap for Philly, and they can let RJ walk in the summer of 2011.

For the Spurs, they get a 2 year rental on a shot blocker/rebounder (although foul proned) and lock up AI2 (a great defender) for 5 years to play alongside Parker and Timmy if he extends/re-signs in 2 years.

Agloco

01-30-2010, 07:46 PM

THIS IS AN INSIDER ARTICLE. I've posted Insider articles. Insider articles are pretty good. The rumor page isn't. I posted that information and threw in a couple jokes and some people just couldn't handle it. Hey AussieFanKurt, seemed like the case but just making sure YOU weren't offended in your thread. No harm was intended. Was actually trying to help you out. You probably know this. Was just the other hypersensitive jerks that freaked out over nothing. And for the record, yes it's protocol to ask for ESPN Insider info but I agree with EricB, no person's should be guilted into giving away the information they paid their hard earned dollars for. If you can't handle that, "eff you too". [/COLOR]

And the Douchebag of the year award goes to......

You. Congrats. Save your rants for the political forums.

5in10

01-30-2010, 08:56 PM

glad to see this thread has become a dick measuring contest, and completely worthless to spurs fans.

Blackjack

01-30-2010, 09:10 PM

glad to see this thread has become a dick measuring contest, and completely worthless to spurs fans.

Mine's bigger than yours...

E-RockWill

01-30-2010, 09:19 PM

glad to see this thread has become a dick measuring contest, and completely worthless to spurs fans.

Mine's bigger than yours...

Just ask your Momma......Beeeeaaaawch!

I keed, I keed.....

SpurNation

01-30-2010, 09:53 PM

Insightful Sh!t Goin' On.

Bottomline...

Andre would be great for the Spurs. Playing for another western conference contender would be bad for Spurs.

If Spurs could get him great. If they don't...don't be suprised by that either.

Oh...and if I had a million dollars...I'd be a millionaire.

Obstructed_View

01-30-2010, 10:06 PM

And the Douchebag of the year award goes to......

You. Congrats. Save your rants for the political forums.

Ah, now I understand the hostility. I guess some of you guys have gotten your asses handed to you over there so you react badly in the Spurs forum.

E-RockWill

01-30-2010, 10:42 PM

Ah, now I understand the hostility. I guess some of you guys have gotten your asses handed to you over there so you react badly in the Spurs forum.

Ummmm....NO

Kori Ellis

01-31-2010, 12:00 AM

:lol @ Insider access being something to talk down to other posters about.

I've had Insider access for free for seven years, so if anyone ever wants me to post an article, let me know :lol

Anyway, that's all I have to contribute to this "quality" thread.

MaNu4Tres

01-31-2010, 12:02 AM

Blackjack

01-31-2010, 01:03 AM