Majority of Republicans believe Obama's a Socialists...

[Marcus Bryant]

Damn. It's almost as if I was there. *sniff*

[ChumpDumper]

Someone said there could be a regional bias to the kos poll. Sure.
Tom Jensen of Public Policy Polling has released a preview of a poll showing that 47% of North Carolina Republicans think President Obama is not a citizen -- an even more disturbing finding than his previous poll, which found that 41% of Virginia Republicans believed in the myth. By contrast, a Deseret News/KSL-TV poll found that only 13% of Utah Republicans -- and 9% of Utahans generally -- said that they believe Obama is not a citizen (via David Weigel).
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/barack-obama/2009/08/09-week/

So I will believe that nationally somewhere between 13 and 47% of Republicans are birthers.There's no way to be more exact until more exact polls are taken, but some number in the 20s or 30s doesn't seem completely outlandish.

[mogrovejo]

If I was a Republican and somehow polled by these guys, I'd do one of two things:

- hang up the phone after a couple of questions.

- answer yes to everything just for the hicks. Is Obama a socialist? Yes. And a Stalinist. Has he born outside the US? Yes, he was nurtured by the North Korean government. And so on.

In any case, a poll published today by Gallup shows that a majority of Democrats have a positive image of socialism. Not sure what's so far-fetched that the leader of that party is a socialist.

[ChumpDumper]

If I was a Republican and somehow polled by these guys, I'd do one of two things:

- hang up the phone after a couple of questions.

- answer yes to everything just for the hicks. Is Obama a socialist? Yes. And a Stalinist. Has he born outside the US? Yes, he was nurtured by the North Korean government. And so on.

In any case, a poll published today by Gallup shows that a majority of Democrats have a positive image of socialism. Not sure what's so far-fetched that the leader of that party is a socialist.So two of two things.

- You now speak for every self-identifying Republican who answers the phone.

- You are being defensive while claiming to not have a reason to be defensive.

[mogrovejo]

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/questions_on_the_daily_kos_pol.php

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/acquiescence_bias_more_on_the.php

[ChumpDumper]

All mights and mays.

Just commission some more polls.

[mogrovejo]

It's mostly a semantics thing. The fact that I asked people to name political leaders they'd call socialists and the only names mentioned were François Mitterrand (a guy who governed 20 years ago) due to a misunderstanding about his political achievements and a crazy dictator like Chavez is quite telling, IMO.

[ChumpDumper]

So the board Republican consensus here is that when asked they answer Obama is a socialist but it's a crazy question they wouldn't answer.

Sounds about right.

[Winehole23]

In any case, a poll published today by Gallup shows that a majority of Democrats have a positive image of socialism. Not sure what's so far-fetched that the leader of that party is a socialist.As much as you twit others for fallaciousness and logical lacunae, that is an incredibly lazy argument.

[Winehole23]

...

[ChumpDumper]

If I was a Republican and somehow polled by these guys, I'd do one of two things:

- hang up the phone after a couple of questions.

- answer yes to everything just for the hicks. Is Obama a socialist? Yes. And a Stalinist. Has he born outside the US? Yes, he was nurtured by the North Korean government. And so on.

In any case, a poll published today by Gallup shows that a majority of Democrats have a positive image of socialism. Not sure what's so far-fetched that the leader of that party is a socialist.So Democrats treated the poll like you did and answered those crazy questions intentionally wrong.

See, I can hand-wave too!

[TeyshaBlue]

I think a sizable minority of self-proclaimed Republicans could indeed be birthers. It would be nice if some other pollsters asked the question.

Sizeable...questionable. Minority, certainly.

[spursncowboys]

Not anymore. I would put it at less than one percent (probably the same group who think BHO is a muslim)

[TeyshaBlue]

Well, a good number of board Republicans call him a socialist. Maybe the poll isn't too far off.

Do you consider board Republicans a representative sample? If so, why?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think Obama is a part of the demon sheep.

[TeyshaBlue]

I think Obama is a part of the demon sheep.

Carly has a job for you.:lol

[mogrovejo]

I'm going to assume that for those in this board that disagree that Obama is a socialist, there aren't socialist leaders (at least since Miterrand made his neoliberal - cute word - turn almost 30 years ago). It's purely a platonic concept. That's why Obama is not a socialist.

[Winehole23]

I'm going to assume that for those in this board that disagree that Obama is a socialist, there aren't socialist leaders (at least since Miterrand made his neoliberal - cute word - turn almost 30 years ago). It's purely a platonic concept. That's why Obama is not a socialist.Rather than accept what people said for themselves you tell us what they meant to say and what it means, for them. Crafty.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/360874990_e40717a89f.jpg

[ElNono]

I'm going to assume that for those in this board that disagree that Obama is a socialist, there aren't socialist leaders (at least since Miterrand made his neoliberal - cute word - turn almost 30 years ago). It's purely a platonic concept. That's why Obama is not a socialist.

I listed two. You called them nutjobs.
Well, they're still socialists.

You still need to beat around the bush and show what statist policies this administration has followed.

[rjv]

I'm going to assume that for those in this board that disagree that Obama is a socialist, there aren't socialist leaders (at least since Miterrand made his neoliberal - cute word - turn almost 30 years ago). It's purely a platonic concept. That's why Obama is not a socialist.

i wish i could have gotten away with crappy arguments like that in my logic classes.

[ChumpDumper]

Sizeable...questionable. Minority, certainly.Depends on your definition of sizable.


Not anymore. I would put it at less than one percent (probably the same group who think BHO is a muslim)And upon what are you basing this guess?

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm going to assume that for those in this board that disagree that Obama is a socialist, there aren't socialist leaders (at least since Miterrand made his neoliberal - cute word - turn almost 30 years ago). It's purely a platonic concept. That's why Obama is not a socialist.

And I'm going to assume that you're really just a Turing program left running on an old 386 in a forgotten basement in the UT Computer Science department.

[TeyshaBlue]

Depends on your definition of sizable.

And upon what are you basing this guess?

Hence, questionable. Argueable might've been the better wording.

[TeyshaBlue]

Argueable...that can't be spelled right.:wtf

[Winehole23]

Don't sweat it.

Orthography is for pussies and tyros like mogro.

[mogrovejo]

I listed two. You called them nutjobs.
Well, they're still socialists.

Hugo Chávez and Cristina Kirchner? I thought you later said they were extreme-left and that you were suggesting that there was a distinction between an extreme-left politician and a socialist one.

If not, then I understand that POV - I agree that Obama is no Chávez. But IMO it's appropriate to call socialists to, say, the members of the Socialist International (http://www.socialistinternational.org/) - and I can't imagine Chávez being invited to the club any time soon. Is Raul Castro a socialist leader as well?

It seems to me a very restrictive and radical use of "socialist" though. I certainly hope it's not the concept shared by the majority of the democrats that see "socialism" as a positive thing.



You still need to beat around the bush and show what statist policies this administration has followed.

I've listed more than two: the TARP extension, the stimulus, the budgets.

[rascal]

Most republicans are parrots to conservative talk radio. They repeat what they are told to believe by the political propaganda they hear on conservative talk radio.

[ElNono]

I've listed more than two: the TARP extension, the stimulus, the budgets.

None of those are socialist policies in my opinion. Or, better said, I don't see how those policies scream "socialist" at Obama but not at any of his predecessors in the past century.


Hugo Chávez and Cristina Kirchner? I thought you later said they were extreme-left and that you were suggesting that there was a distinction between an extreme-left politician and a socialist one.

Both of them will tell you they identify with socialism. I agree with them.


If not, then I understand that POV - I agree that Obama is no Chávez. But IMO it's appropriate to call socialists to, say, the members of the Socialist International (http://www.socialistinternational.org/) - and I can't imagine Chávez being invited to the club any time soon. Is Raul Castro a socialist leader as well?

Fidel was.


It seems to me a very restrictive and radical use of "socialist" though. I certainly hope it's not the concept shared by the majority of the democrats that see "socialism" as a positive thing.

As already stated on this thread, the definition of socialism is like assholes: everybody got one.

[TeyshaBlue]

Most republicans are parrots to conservative talk radio. They repeat what they are told to believe by the political propaganda they hear on conservative talk radio.

Parrot, meet parrotter.:lmao

[spursncowboys]

i wish i could have gotten away with crappy arguments like that in my logic classes.

logic class? Is that a math type class?

[ChumpDumper]

logic class? Is that a math type class?You've never heard of a logic class?

I believe it.

[baseline bum]

Logic class can be a math class, a CS class, an engineering class, and a philosophy class rolled into one... whatever you want to make it. Every one of those fields you're completely screwed if you don't have it down cold. You may not be required to take the class for each of those degrees, but you better have studied and understood it on your own then.

[Winehole23]

As already stated on this thread, the definition of socialism is like assholes: everybody got one.Roughly, yes.

[Winehole23]

:rollin

[admiralsnackbar]

logic class? Is that a math type class?

Sweet Jesus.

[spursncowboys]

You need a class for logic. That is sad. Accounting degrees I guess don't need them.
Let me know when you masted field manual 3-06.
pussies.

[Marcus Bryant]

logic class? Is that a math type class?


http://intranetblog.blogware.com/aflac.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

You need a class for logic. That is sad. Accounting degrees I guess don't need them.
Let me know when you masted field manual 3-06.
pussies.I didn't take logic in college, but I certainly knew the class existed.

Pussy.

[admiralsnackbar]

You need a class for logic. That is sad. Accounting degrees I guess don't need them.
Let me know when you masted field manual 3-06.
pussies.

I can understand not having taken the class, man -- but not being aware that there is a class? Accounting is based on arithmetic, which is based on geometry, which is based on logic.

+++++++++
Edit:
Looks like CD beat me to it.

[Marcus Bryant]

Anyways, where on the political spectrum do we place a law which would require by law individuals to hand over a significant amount of their income and wealth to Fortune 100 corporations annually with certain penalties for non-compliance?

[baseline bum]

You need a class for logic. That is sad. Accounting degrees I guess don't need them.
Let me know when you masted field manual 3-06.
pussies.

Lots of your arguments prove you could use a logic class, provided you could pass it. I have my doubts.

[spursncowboys]

I would say the same to you baseline. In fact it's pretty hillarious that the ones making a big deal about a logic class use logic so sparingly. I still find a logic class sad - especially with the alumni it has. If you need to spend money on learning logic-godspeed.

[ChumpDumper]

It's really hilarious that you were completely ignorant of the existence of logic classes. You display that kind of ignorance so often.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I would say the same to you baseline. In fact it's pretty hillarious that the ones making a big deal about a logic class use logic so sparingly. I still find a logic class sad - especially with the alumni it has. If you need to spend money on learning logic-godspeed.

sort of like..if saying retard is a bad thing .. that would logically conclude that anyone who uses the word is wrong.. oh wait one was democrat never mind...

[baseline bum]

I would say the same to you baseline. In fact it's pretty hillarious that the ones making a big deal about a logic class use logic so sparingly. I still find a logic class sad - especially with the alumni it has. If you need to spend money on learning logic-godspeed.

You would say the same because you don't understand logic in your arguments. For example, I remember this conversation where you tried to discredit Darwin's book as trash with this line:


"Darwin's book is very important and serves me as a basis in natural science for the class struggle in history." -Karl Marx


Wow. Let me accept that your argument is valid. Then Beethoven's 9th Symphony is trash since it was performed here to honor Hitler's birthday, and for the enjoyment of Joseph Goebbels.

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You have the most fucking backwards logic of anyone who posts on spurstalk.

Of course you ducked it, as you should have considering how retarded your argument was.


Over 200 million murdered by their socialist government which originate from Karl Marx. But yeah I was going to add a Hitler quote about Darwin to show the type of people who used this to murder religious leaders, and cultures. I would love to show the link of these type of mad men but don't have the time to spend on finding the information. That is why all I did was paste the quote, I didn't add my opnion.


Hey jerkoff, so does that make Beethoven's 9th trash because it was used heavily for Nazi propaganda? If your stupid fucking argument about Darwin's theory being invalidated because Marx was a follower is valid, then surely my point about Beethoven is also true, since it was admired and used by Hitler to advance the Nazi movement. Unless you want to argue that being directly responsible for murdering 6 million people is worse than writing a book.

[spursncowboys]

It's really hilarious that you were completely ignorant of the existence of logic classes. You display that kind of ignorance so often.
I was more intrigued of the curriculum of a logic class.

[spursncowboys]

You would say the same because you don't understand logic in your arguments. For example, I remember this conversation where you tried to discredit Darwin's book as trash with this line:





Of course you ducked it, as you should have considering how retarded your argument was.
:lol I used a marx quote. That's great and it shows your illogical retort to a quote I put. Good job. I would love to know how you could logically say a quote from someone else is an argument of mine.

[ChumpDumper]

I was more intrigued of the curriculum of a logic class.So you were ignorant of that too.

[baseline bum]

:lol I used a marx quote. That's great and it shows your illogical retort to a quote I put. Good job.

You used a Marx quote as a claim to invalidate Darwin's work.

[spursncowboys]

Your response is so illogical how can anyone respond to it.

[baseline bum]

Your response is so illogical how can anyone respond to it.

My response is taking your exact argument and applying it to another case where someone's work was being used as propaganda to advance a political movement. This is why you don't understand logic; because you're unable to think abstractly by applying the same argument to a different case.

[Marcus Bryant]

Darwin's a Marxist.

Marx is a Marxist.

All of you are "illogical."

[ChumpDumper]

My response is taking your exact argument and applying it to another case where someone's work was being used as propaganda to advance a political movement. This is why you don't understand logic; because you're unable to think abstractly by applying the same argument to a different case.
But you're talking about music!

[admiralsnackbar]

Your response is so illogical how can anyone respond to it.

How would you know? :lol Here, have a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_logic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_logic

[Marcus Bryant]

Or, Darwin championed the "survival of the fittest" and Marx's ideas led to mass deaths at the hands of various states and Marx thought Darwin's evolutionary theories were true so there's gotta be a connection there somewhere.

[ChumpDumper]

How would you know? :lol Here, have a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_logic
There are wiki entries about logic?

That's illogical!

[George Gervin's Afro]

My response is taking your exact argument and applying it to another case where someone's work was being used as propaganda to advance a political movement. This is why you don't understand logic; because you're unable to think abstractly by applying the same argument to a different case.

I've been trying to explain it to him for a while now... he doesn't understand what logic is..

[Marcus Bryant]

Marx propagated communism, which is bad.

Darwin propagated evolution, which is bad.

Therefore, they is the sames.

[baseline bum]

I've been trying to explain it to him for a while now... he doesn't understand what logic is..

The worst thing is snc's "logic class is for fags" stance, which ignores the fact that one has to have a solid technical grounding in it do anything in math, computer science, electrical engineering, and the like.

[ChumpDumper]

I've been trying to explain it to him for a while now... he doesn't understand what logic is..
It's totally different.

Darwin was a Marxist.

Beethoven was a Nazi.

It's so logical. How can you not see that?

[Marcus Bryant]

Who needs logic? All of yous are wrong!

[admiralsnackbar]

Who needs logic? All of yous are wrong!

If: all of yous is wrong. And: all of yous studied logic. Therefore: Logic is wrong!

[Marcus Bryant]

Damn. I knew it all along.

[Marcus Bryant]

Communists use science.

Therefore, science is communist.

And gay. As communism is gay.

[spursncowboys]

My response is taking your exact argument and applying it to another case where someone's work was being used as propaganda to advance a political movement. This is why you don't understand logic; because you're unable to think abstractly by applying the same argument to a different case.
NO it didn't. Look at what you posted. It was Karl Marx saying he uses Darwin's teaching. Then you refer to a piece of music being used for a birthday party. There is no logical connection.

[admiralsnackbar]

communists use science.

Therefore, science is communist.

And gay. As communism is gay.

qed

[ChumpDumper]

NO it didn't. Look at what you posted. It was Karl Marx saying he uses Darwin's teaching.Exactly the way Darwin planned it!

Exactly the way the 9/11 terrorists used American flight teaching!

American flight schools are Islamofascist!

[spursncowboys]

rjv
i wish i could have gotten away with crappy arguments like that in my logic classes.
That doesn't sound like a math class-arguments. That is why I asked.

[baseline bum]

NO it didn't. Look at what you posted. It was Karl Marx saying he uses Darwin's teaching. Then you refer to a piece of music being used for a birthday party. There is no logical connection.

Beethoven's music was heavily used in Nazi propaganda. It obviously doesn't invalidate his genius any more than your stupid Marx argument does Darwin's.

[Marcus Bryant]

Communists enjoy sex.

Sex involves the release of precious bodily fluids.

Therefore, communists seek to steal our precious bodily fluids.

[baseline bum]

Communists enjoy sex.

Sex involves the release of precious bodily fluids.

Therefore, communists seek to steal our precious bodily fluids.

ROFL

http://www.classicalvalues.com/JackT.jpg

[Marcus Bryant]

You need a class for logic. That is sad. Accounting degrees I guess don't need them.

Sadly true, as the past decade has borne out.



Let me know when you masted field manual 3-06.


Sadly true, as the past decade has borne out.



pussies.

Pussies use logic.

Pussies are not dicks.

If you don't use pussy, you use dick.

If you don't use logic, you use dick.

[spursncowboys]

Beethoven's music was heavily used in Nazi propaganda. It obviously doesn't invalidate his genius any more than your stupid Marx argument does Darwin's.
Are you saying Darwin or Marx were genius? That doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with invalidating the human being. It is the idea. The idea of Marxism and the socialist movement used the Darwin ideas to sell their ideas. I can't remember if that was about eugenics that we were talking about, but the point is your comparison was off. 200 million plus people have been murdered at the hands of their own government, usually to help the rest and you molested the argument into some silly Beethoven nonsense. You're a special breed. :toast
Good job to the rest of the yes men. Original thought is too time consuming. Either join in in some cliqueish groupspeak or make useless negative comments about everything all the while leaving out any personal thought. It's safe.

[baseline bum]

Are you saying Darwin or Marx were genius? That doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with invalidating the human being. It is the idea. The idea of Marxism and the socialist movement used the Darwin ideas to sell their ideas. I can't remember if that was about eugenics that we were talking about, but the point is your comparison was off. 200 million plus people have been murdered at the hands of their own government, usually to help the rest and you molested the argument into some silly Beethoven nonsense. You're a special breed. :toast
Good job to the rest of the yes men. Original thought is too time consuming. Either join in in some cliqueish groupspeak or make useless negative comments about everything all the while leaving out any personal thought. It's safe.

Your postings are just so incoherent and ridiculous, I feel like I'm talking to a two year old. Anyone can see plain as day that your argument was

1) X's work was used in political propaganda by Y
2) Y's politics were garbage
3) Therefore, so was X's work

with X=Darwin, Y=Marx

Otherwise, you have no point whatsoever bringing Marx into a discussion about the validity of natural selection and you were just throwing shit against the wall, and hoping it stuck because of some weak 1-way association.

[ChumpDumper]

Did SnC just try to say he's all about original thought?

:lmao

[baseline bum]

Oh man, Wild Cobra's lap dog wants to bitch about cliquish behavior? :lmao

[spursncowboys]

Your postings are just so incoherent and ridiculous, I feel like I'm talking to a two year old. Anyone can see plain as day that your argument was

1) X's work was used in political propaganda by Y
2) Y's politics were garbage
3) Therefore, so was X's work

with X=Darwin, Y=Marx

Otherwise, you have no point whatsoever bringing Marx into a discussion about the validity of natural selection and you were just throwing shit against the wall, and hoping it stuck because of some weak 1-way association.
Whatever, you are the one who brought up this old ass argument. Your style is whack. Mine's authentic made.

[baseline bum]

Whatever, you are the one who brought up this old ass argument. Your style is whack. Mine's authentic made.

I'm just showing evidence so it doesn't look like I was just making shit up when I said you could use some training in logic. You better go defend WC in that other thread now.

[ChumpDumper]

Whatever, you are the one who brought up this old ass argument. Your style is whack. Mine's authentic made.Yours is stupid.

Please show us a quote where Darwin advocated the killing of millions of people for political purposes.

Then you might have something.

[spursncowboys]

Full title of Darwin's book
"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."

[Marcus Bryant]

Full title of Darwin's book
"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."

Therefore, Mein Kampf?

[spursncowboys]

I'm just showing evidence so it doesn't look like I was just making shit up when I said you could use some training in logic. You better go defend WC in that other thread now.
Very ironic.

[baseline bum]

Very ironic.

A pretty good representative sample of your work.

[admiralsnackbar]

Full title of Darwin's book
"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."

Good save!

[ChumpDumper]

Please show us a quote where Darwin advocated the killing of millions of people for political purposes.

Then you might have something.

[Winehole23]

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[George Gervin's Afro]

logic and snc is like oil and water....

[admiralsnackbar]

Therefore:
Oil is whack.
Water is authentic made.

[spursncowboys]

I flow like a razorblade. You need clinical aid.

[ChumpDumper]

SnC? Did you find a blog to help you with your "original thought" yet?
Please show us a quote where Darwin advocated the killing of millions of people for political purposes.

Then you might have something.