Without looking it up...

[Supergirl]

How many people can define "socialism"? This has to be the most overused word in today's political lexicon.

Seriously, don't cheat. Don't look it up. Make your best guess at what you think the definition is, and in a day I will post the actual definition.

My hypothesis is that most people - liberal or conservative - can't really define what it is, so why do they keep talking about it?

[George Gervin's Afro]

How many people can define "socialism"? This has to be the most overused word in today's political lexicon.

Seriously, don't cheat. Don't look it up. Make your best guess at what you think the definition is, and in a day I will post the actual definition.

My hypothesis is that most people - liberal or conservative - can't really define what it is, so why do they keep talking about it?

Good luck.. we have many ignorant posters on this board..my guess is one of the lazy arm chair whiners will respond with 'Obama' as the definition..

[TeyshaBlue]

Good luck.. we have many ignorant posters on this board..my guess is one of the lazy arm chair whiners will respond with 'Obama' as the definition..

It aint rocket science...the word defines itself.

It's also worth noting that there are more than one model of socialism to work with.

[I. Hustle]

your mom

[Drachen]

How many people can define "socialism"? This has to be the most overused word in today's political lexicon.

Seriously, don't cheat. Don't look it up. Make your best guess at what you think the definition is, and in a day I will post the actual definition.

My hypothesis is that most people - liberal or conservative - can't really define what it is, so why do they keep talking about it?

A strategy of governing which seeks to provide for all participants regardless of ability.

How's that?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Brillant brilliant thread. Keep up the good work.

Mmm. Mmm. Mmmm.

[coyotes_geek]

According to CG's Dictionary of Political Cynicism, socialism is defined as any idealology held by people to the left of someone coming from the right. Conversely, idealology held by people to the right of someone coming from the left is defined as fascism.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Brillant brilliant thread. Keep up the good work.

Mmm. Mmm. Mmmm.

par for the course..

[DarrinS]

Socialists value equality over individual liberty and use big government policies to bring about this "fair" distribution of wealth.

[rjv]

i think the point of this thread has been proven.

[ElNono]

i think the point of this thread has been proven.

+1

[Supergirl]

Take my survey:

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[DarrinS]

Take my survey:

http://surveys.polldaddy.com/s/338B4E22A8C170C5/


Why are you so concerned about Obama being a Socialist?

Are you offended by that term? Many leftist are proud Socialists.

[mogrovejo]

i think the point of this thread has been proven.


+1

Can someone please explain to me what's the point of this thread?

[mogrovejo]

How many people can define "socialism"? This has to be the most overused word in today's political lexicon.

Seriously, don't cheat. Don't look it up. Make your best guess at what you think the definition is, and in a day I will post the actual definition.

My hypothesis is that most people - liberal or conservative - can't really define what it is, so why do they keep talking about it?

Really? There's an "actual definition" for socialism? This is going to be fun. Looking forward for that day, I'll be bumping this thread regularly.

[Winehole23]

Can someone please explain to me what's the point of this thread?it's the same point as most of your posts...that anyone who isn't on the exact same page as you is ipso facto an idiot talking into his seat cushion.

[spursncowboys]

Why don't we discuss the after effects of socialism. from population control to redistributing of wealth and all the great parts in between.

[mogrovejo]

it's the same point as most of your posts...that anyone who isn't on the exact same page as you is ipso facto an idiot talking into his seat cushion.

Heh, you don't have to make every post of yours about me... This obsessions is slightly disturbing.

[Winehole23]

I post fairly frequently here. No need to flatter yourself.

[spurster]

So one knows what it is? Though I like coyotes_geek definition, I will throw out my own.

Socialism is government providing for a minimal living standard for all of its citizens. Examples of socialism for the US government include Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment benefits, Emergency Medical Treatment Act, welfare.

[Winehole23]

@mogrovejo: I mainly pick on stuffed shirts, big bullshitters and overbearing pricks. I think it's safe to say you qualify as all three.

It's admittedly a weakness, but I have fun doing it. It's gratifying watching pompous bullies like you whine and meltdown.

[DarrinS]

So one knows what it is? Though I like coyotes_geek definition, I will throw out my own.

Socialism is government providing for a minimal living standard for all of its citizens. Examples of socialism for the US government include Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment benefits, Emergency Medical Treatment Act, welfare.


And all of those things are working so well.

[George Gervin's Afro]

And all of those things are working so well.


Which one of those did Obama create?

[balli]

I'm not going to dig out the old political theory text, but if one wanted to comb through threads from a couple weeks back, they could just about pinpoint the day SnC heard the term Bolshevik for the first time in his life.

[DarrinS]

Which one of those did Obama create?


Which one did I claim that Obama created?

[spursncowboys]

I'm not going to dig out the old political theory text, but if one wanted to comb through threads from a couple weeks back, they could just about pinpoint the day SnC heard the term Bolshevik for the first time in his life.

I don't think I have ever expressed when I learned about the Bolsheviks. However, within the last year I did read about the just ways they all died. Maybe you need to learn about them and Mao since you have stated how what Mao did was beneficial to his population.

[rjv]

so the 2 party congress that has yet to get a single payer system, that has supported aggressive foreign policy, that has granted bailouts and deregulated the market and run neoliberal policies for decades is socialist?

now that is funny.

[spursncowboys]

Are we now saying that america is socialist?

[Spursmania]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[spurster]

http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/americans_agree_on_how_to_fix_social_security/

Americans agree on how to fix Social Security

By Ross Eisenbrey

Reports that exaggerate the problem of looming deficits have left many Americans worried that Social Security will not be there when they retire. A survey conducted jointly by the Rockefeller Foundation and the National Academy of Social Insurance found that 90% of Americans are concerned about the program’s ability to pay benefits for the next generation. Because these same people believe strongly that workers should have financial security in their retirement, most want Social Security’s finances strengthened. Regardless of their party affiliation, 85% or more of survey respondents said it is important to keep Social Security financially solvent.

http://www.epi.org/page/-/img/finalsocialsecuritysnapshot.jpg

The most striking finding in the survey is that most Americans are willing to pay higher payroll taxes to preserve the Social Security program. When asked to respond to the statement: "It is critical that we preserve Social Security for future generations, even if it means increasing working Americans’ contributions to Social Security," 77% of those surveyed said they agreed (see Figure). When presented with a specific way to strengthen Social Security, an even larger portion showed support. Of those surveyed, 83% said they supported lifting the Social Security tax cap of $106,800, so that high-income earners would pay the tax on all of their salary in the same way that lower-wage earners do. Because the projected shortfall in social security is much smaller and more manageable than is often presented, eliminating the cap on taxable earnings would bring in sufficient funds to close the projected Social Security shortfall over the next 75 years, solving the entire problem.

[Blake]

According to CG's Dictionary of Political Cynicism, socialism is defined as any idealology held by people to the left of someone coming from the right. Conversely, idealology held by people to the right of someone coming from the left is defined as fascism.

that sounds about right

[Blake]

Are we now saying that america is socialist?

did you go to a public school?

[boutons_deux]

"Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production) and allocation of resources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resources), and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-SocialismAVeryShortIntroduction-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-2)

Most socialists share the view that capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism) unfairly concentrates power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28philosophy%29) and wealth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth) among a small segment of society that controls capital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%28economics%29) and derives its wealth through exploitation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation), creates an unequal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_equality) society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potential[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-3) Capitalism does not utilise technology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology) and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public."

-- wikipedia.

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"Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment benefits, Emergency Medical Treatment Act, welfare. "

... none of which were created by Magic Negro.

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and while we're at it. What's all this bullshit noise about loss of "freedom"?

[spursncowboys]

did you go to a public school?
:lol
Try and read the op. FTR yes I did.

[DarrinS]

"Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production) and allocation of resources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resources), and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-SocialismAVeryShortIntroduction-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-2)

Most socialists share the view that capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism) unfairly concentrates power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28philosophy%29) and wealth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth) among a small segment of society that controls capital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%28economics%29) and derives its wealth through exploitation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation), creates an unequal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_equality) society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potential[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#cite_note-3) Capitalism does not utilise technology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology) and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public."

-- wikipedia.

===========

"Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment benefits, Emergency Medical Treatment Act, welfare. "

... none of which were created by Magic Negro.

======

and while we're at it. What's all this bullshit noise about loss of "freedom"?




OP title read fail.

[boutons_deux]

Since when are there rules in a knife fight?

[Spursmania]

Since when are there rules in a knife fight?

:lmao Ok, I had to laugh...

[Viva Las Espuelas]

par for the course..

You of all the alleged "non Obamacons" should be very familar with that. This is a talking in circles thread. Something else you're familiar with. Keep your eye on those R's and D's Georgy.

[Blake]

:lol
Try and read the op. FTR yes I did.

you mean "try to read the op".

FTR yes I did read the op.

you asked if America is socialist. Public schools are a form of socialism.

Just helping you connect some dots.

[TeyshaBlue]

Private schools?

[TheProfessor]

According to CG's Dictionary of Political Cynicism, socialism is defined as any idealology held by people to the left of someone coming from the right. Conversely, idealology held by people to the right of someone coming from the left is defined as fascism.
/thread

[word]

easy. When Richard Jefferson is on the floor, that's socialism.

[spursncowboys]

you mean "try to read the op".

FTR yes I did read the op.

you asked if America is socialist. Public schools are a form of socialism.

Just helping you connect some dots.
go to the extreme much?

[admiralsnackbar]

go to the extreme much?

Medicare/Medicaid
Social Security
The Post Office
The Public Library System
The Military
Fire and Police departments
Welfare
FDA
Dept of Agriculture/ farming subsidies
Parks and Wildlife
EPA
Federal Banking System
Dept. of Transportation
etc.

[Blake]

Private schools?

what about them?

[Blake]

go to the extreme much?

no