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spursncowboys
02-06-2010, 11:08 AM
Why are liberals so condescending?
By Gerard Alexander
Sunday, February 7, 2010; B01


Every political community includes some members who insist that their side has all the answers and that their adversaries are idiots. But American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration. Indeed, all the appeals to bipartisanship notwithstanding, President Obama and other leading liberal voices have joined in a chorus of intellectual condescension.


It's an odd time for liberals to feel smug. But even with Democratic fortunes on the wane, leading liberals insist that they have almost nothing to learn from conservatives. Many Democrats describe their troubles simply as a PR challenge, a combination of conservative misinformation -- as when Obama charges that critics of health-care reform (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/health-care-reform/) are peddling fake fears of a "Bolshevik plot" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012902401.html) -- and the country's failure to grasp great liberal accomplishments. "We were so busy just getting stuff done . . . that I think we lost some of that sense of speaking directly to the American people about what their core values are," the president told ABC's George Stephanopoulos (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/20/AR2010012001935.html) in a recent interview. The benighted public is either uncomprehending or deliberately misinformed (by conservatives).


This condescension is part of a liberal tradition that for generations has impoverished American debates over the economy, society and the functions of government -- and threatens to do so again today, when dialogue would be more valuable than ever.


Liberals have dismissed conservative thinking for decades, a tendency encapsulated by Lionel Trilling's 1950 remark that conservatives do not "express themselves in ideas but only in action or in irritable mental gestures which seek to resemble ideas." During the 1950s and '60s, liberals trivialized the nascent conservative movement. Prominent studies and journalistic accounts of right-wing politics at the time stressed paranoia, intolerance and insecurity, rendering conservative thought more a psychiatric disorder than a rival. In 1962, Richard Hofstadter referred to "the Manichaean style of thought, the apocalyptic tendencies, the love of mystification, the intolerance of compromise that are observable in the right-wing mind."


This sense of liberal intellectual superiority dropped off during the economic woes of the 1970s and the Reagan boom of the 1980s. (Jimmy Carter's presidency, buffeted by economic and national security challenges, generated perhaps the clearest episode of liberal self-doubt.) But these days, liberal confidence and its companion disdain for conservative thinking are back with a vengeance, finding energetic expression in politicians' speeches, top-selling books, historical works and the blogosphere. This attitude comes in the form of four major narratives about who conservatives are and how they think and function.


The first is the (1)"vast right-wing conspiracy," a narrative made famous by Hillary Rodham Clinton but hardly limited to her. This vision maintains that conservatives win elections and policy debates not because they triumph in the open battle of ideas but because they deploy brilliant and sinister campaign tactics. A dense network of professional political strategists such as Karl Rove, think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation and industry groups allegedly manipulate information and mislead the public. Democratic strategist Rob Stein crafted a celebrated PowerPoint presentation during George W. Bush's presidency that traced conservative success to such organizational factors (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/16/AR2006071600882.html).


This liberal vision emphasizes the dissemination of ideologically driven views from sympathetic media such as the Fox News Channel. For example, Chris Mooney's book "The Republican War on Science" argues that policy debates in the scientific arena are distorted by conservatives who disregard evidence and reflect the biases of industry-backed Republican politicians or of evangelicals aimlessly shielding the world from modernity. In this interpretation, conservative arguments are invariably false and deployed only cynically. Evidence of the costs of cap-and-trade carbon rationing is waved away as corporate propaganda; arguments against health-care reform are written off as hype orchestrated by insurance companies.


This worldview was on display in the popular liberal reaction to the Supreme Court's recent ruling (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/21/AR2010012104866.html) in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Rather than engage in a discussion about the complexities of free speech in politics, liberals have largely argued that the decision will "open the floodgates for special interests" to influence American elections, as the president warned in his State of the Union address (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/state-of-the-union.html). In other words, it was all part of the conspiracy to support conservative candidates for their nefarious, self-serving ends.


It follows that the thinkers, politicians and citizens who advance conservative ideas must be dupes, quacks or hired guns selling stories they know to be a sham. In this spirit, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman regularly dismisses conservative arguments not simply as incorrect, but as lies. Writing last summer, Krugman pondered the duplicity (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/secrets-of-the-wsj/) he found evident in 35 years' worth of Wall Street Journal editorial writers: "What do these people really believe? I mean, they're not stupid -- life would be a lot easier if they were. So they know they're not telling the truth. But they obviously believe that their dishonesty serves a higher truth. . . . The question is, what is that higher truth?"
In Krugman's world, there is no need to take seriously the arguments of "these people" -- only to plumb the depths of their errors and imagine hidden motives.


But,(2) if conservative leaders are crass manipulators, then the rank-and-file Americans who support them must be manipulated at best, or stupid at worst. This is the second variety of liberal condescension, exemplified in Thomas Frank's best-selling 2004 book, "What's the Matter With Kansas?" Frank argued that working-class voters were so distracted by issues such as abortion that they were induced into voting against their own economic interests. Then-Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, later chairman of the Democratic National Committee, echoed that theme in his 2004 presidential run, when he said Republicans had succeeded in getting Southern whites to focus on "guns, God and gays" instead of economic redistribution.
And speaking to a roomful of Democratic donors in 2008, then-presidential candidate Obama offered a similar (and infamous) analysis (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041103965.html) when he suggested that residents of Rust Belt towns "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations" about job losses. When his comments became public, Obama backed away from their tenor but insisted that "I said something that everybody knows is true." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/12/AR2008041202094.html)


In this view, we should pay attention to conservative voters' underlying problems but disregard the policy demands they voice; these are illusory, devoid of reason or evidence. This form of liberal condescension implies that conservative masses are in the grip of false consciousness. When they express their views at town hall meetings or "tea party" gatherings, it might be politically prudent for liberals to hear them out, but there is no reason to actually listen.


The third version of liberal condescension points to something more sinister. In his 2008 book, "Nixonland," progressive writer Rick Perlstein argued that Richard Nixon created an enduring Republican strategy of mobilizing the ethnic and other resentments of some Americans against others. Similarly, in their 1992 book, "Chain Reaction," Thomas Byrne Edsall and Mary D. Edsall argued that Nixon and Reagan talked up crime control, low taxes and welfare reform to cloak racial animus and help make it mainstream. It is now an article of faith among many liberals that (3)Republicans win elections because they tap into white prejudice against blacks and immigrants.


Race doubtless played a significant role in the shift of Deep South whites to the Republican Party during and after the 1960s. But the liberal narrative has gone essentially unchanged since then -- recall former president Carter's recent assertion that opposition to Obama reflects racism (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/16/AR2009091601802.html) -- even though survey research has shown a dramatic decline in prejudiced attitudes among white Americans in the intervening decades. Moreover, the candidates and agendas of both parties demonstrate an unfortunate willingness to play on prejudices, whether based on race, region, class, income, or other factors.


Finally, (4)liberals condescend to the rest of us when they say conservatives are driven purely by emotion and anxiety -- including fear of change -- whereas liberals have the harder task of appealing to evidence and logic. Former vice president Al Gore made this case in his 2007 book, "The Assault on Reason," in which he expressed fear that American politics was under siege from a coalition of religious fundamentalists, foreign policy extremists and industry groups opposed to "any reasoning process that threatens their economic goals." This right-wing politics involves a gradual "abandonment of concern for reason or evidence" and relies on propaganda to maintain public support, he wrote.


Prominent liberal academics also propagate these beliefs. George Lakoff, a linguist at the University of California at Berkeley and a consultant to Democratic candidates, says flatly that liberals, unlike conservatives, "still believe in Enlightenment reason," while Drew Westen, an Emory University psychologist and Democratic consultant, argues that the GOP has done a better job of mastering the emotional side of campaigns because Democrats, alas, are just too intellectual. "They like to read and think," Westen wrote. "They thrive on policy debates, arguments, statistics, and getting the facts right."


Markos Moulitsas, publisher of the influential progressive Web site Daily Kos, commissioned a poll (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/2/832988/-The-2010-Comprehensive-Daily-Kos-Research-2000-Poll-of-Self-Identified-Republicans), which he released this month, designed to show how many rank-and-file Republicans hold odd or conspiratorial beliefs -- including 23 percent who purportedly believe that their states should secede from the Union. Moulitsas concluded that Republicans are "divorced from reality" and that the results show why "it is impossible for elected Republicans to work with Democrats to improve our country." His condescension is superlative: Of the respondents who favored secession, he wonders, "Can we cram them all into the Texas Panhandle, create the state of Dumb-[expletive]-istan, and build a wall around them to keep them from coming into America illegally?"


I doubt it would take long to design a survey questionnaire that revealed strange, ill-informed and paranoid beliefs among average Democrats. Or does Moulitsas think Jay Leno talked only to conservatives for his "Jaywalking" interviews?

These four liberal narratives not only justify the dismissal of conservative thinking as biased or irrelevant -- they insist on it. By no means do all liberals adhere to them, but they are mainstream in left-of-center thinking. Indeed, when the president met with House Republicans in Baltimore (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012902401.html) recently, he assured them that he considers their ideas, but he then rejected their motives in virtually the same breath.
"There may be other ideas that you guys have," Obama said. "I am happy to look at them, and I'm happy to embrace them. . . . But the question I think we're going to have to ask ourselves is, as we move forward, are we going to be examining each of these issues based on what's good for the country, what the evidence tells us, or are we going to be trying to position ourselves so that come November, we're able to say, 'The other party, it's their fault'?"


Of course, plenty of conservatives are hardly above feeling superior. But the closest they come to portraying liberals as systematically mistaken in their worldview is when they try to identify ideological dogmatism in a narrow slice of the left (say, among Ivy League faculty members), in a particular moment (during the health-care debate, for instance) or in specific individuals (such as Obama or House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom some conservatives accuse of being stealth ideologues). A few conservative voices may say that all liberals are always wrong, but these tend to be relatively marginal figures or media gadflies such as Glenn Beck.


In contrast, an extraordinary range of liberal writers, commentators and leaders -- from Jon Stewart's "Daily Show" to Obama's White House, with many stops in between -- have developed or articulated narratives that apply to virtually all conservatives at all times.


To many liberals, this worldview may be appealing, but it severely limits our national conversation on critical policy issues. Perhaps most painfully, liberal condescension has distorted debates over American poverty for nearly two generations.


Starting in the 1960s, the original neoconservative critics such as Daniel Patrick Moynihan expressed distress about the breakdown of inner-city families, only to be maligned as racist and ignored for decades -- until appalling statistics forced critics to recognize their views as relevant.



Long-standing conservative concerns over the perils of long-term welfare dependency were similarly villainized as insincere and mean-spirited -- until public opinion insisted they be addressed by a Democratic president and a Republican Congress in the 1996 welfare reform law. But in the meantime, welfare policies that discouraged work, marriage and the development of skills remained in place, with devastating effects.


Ignoring conservative cautions and insights is no less costly today. Some observers have decried an anti-intellectual strain in contemporary conservatism, detected in George W. Bush's aw-shucks style, Sarah Palin's college-hopping and the occasional conservative campaigns against egghead intellectuals. But alongside that, the fact is that conservative-leaning scholars, economists, jurists and legal theorists have never produced as much detailed analysis and commentary on American life and policy as they do today.


Perhaps the most important conservative insight being depreciated is the durable warning from free-marketeers that government programs often fail to yield what their architects intend. Democrats have been busy expanding, enacting or proposing major state interventions in financial markets, energy and health care. Supporters of such efforts want to ensure that key decisions will be made in the public interest and be informed, for example, by sound science, the best new medical research or prudent standards of private-sector competition. But public-choice economists have long warned that when decisions are made in large, centralized government programs, political priorities almost always trump other goals.


Even liberals should think twice about the prospect of decisions on innovative surgeries, light bulbs and carbon quotas being directed by legislators grandstanding for the cameras. Of course, thinking twice would be easier if more of them were listening to conservatives at all.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020403698_pf.html

Marcus Bryant
02-06-2010, 11:45 AM
So much for rock-ribbed individualism when 'they're a bunch of snooty meanies' will score you points.

Marcus Bryant
02-06-2010, 11:46 AM
Or, why are some conservatives so thin-skinned?

George Gervin's Afro
02-06-2010, 11:49 AM
conservatives are the victims..:lmao

spursncowboys
02-06-2010, 11:50 AM
It would be better if people didn't assume the op and instead read the article. then you can post on the actual points.

George Gervin's Afro
02-06-2010, 11:53 AM
It would be better if people didn't assume the op and instead read the article. then you can post on the actual points.

you don't so why should others?

Marcus Bryant
02-06-2010, 11:56 AM
Starting in the 1960s, the original neoconservative critics such as Daniel Patrick Moynihan...

Moynihan was a prime example of the disingenuous nature of Reagan conservatism. In effect, the distance between Moynihan's operating political philosophy and that of Reagan was quite narrow, if it even existed at all. Or, Reagan Democrats found it rather easy to embrace the patron saint of modern conservatism as he was one of their own.

Marcus Bryant
02-06-2010, 12:07 PM
A better title would have been along the lines of 'why are liberals so close-minded?'

Marcus Bryant
02-06-2010, 12:11 PM
The article starts off whiny and then scores some points towards the end. Would have been much better without the PMSing at the beginning.

ChumpDumper
02-06-2010, 04:14 PM
It would be better if people didn't assume the op and instead read the article. then you can post on the actual points.Why?

You never do.

EmptyMan
02-06-2010, 08:54 PM
Funny how most of these liberal wannabe intellectual ideas are paid by the backs of actual working conservatives.

Marcus Bryant
02-06-2010, 09:39 PM
Funny how most of these liberal wannabe intellectual ideas are paid by the backs of actual working conservatives.

PublicOption
02-07-2010, 09:06 AM
why are republicans and tea-partiers so damn stupid?

George Gervin's Afro
02-07-2010, 09:33 AM
why are republicans and tea-partiers so damn stupid?



an age old question..

Aggie Hoopsfan
02-07-2010, 05:12 PM
why are republicans and tea-partiers so damn stupid?

Probably because liberals have the market cornered on laziness and ignorance.

Wild Cobra
02-07-2010, 11:51 PM
Didn't read the thread, but have to inset my half-baked semi-realistic idea...

Why are liberals so condescending?
Because they are like the school bully, who has such low self esteem, they have to put others down.

baseline bum
02-08-2010, 12:14 AM
Didn't read the thread, but have to inset my half-baked semi-realistic idea...

Because they are like the school bully, who has such low self esteem, they have to put others down.

This from the fucking retard that calls everyone who doesn't agree with him a libtard and tells everyone to leave his fucking country. Poor needle-dick is pissed because he can't go shoot people at the border.

Wild Cobra
02-08-2010, 12:20 AM
This from the fucking retard that calls everyone who doesn't agree with him a libtard and tells everyone to leave his fucking country. Poor needle-dick is pissed because he can't go shoot people at the border.
LOL...

I have to admit, it's fun getting people like you upset.

It's one thing in my view to attack people for cause. It's not acceptable to attack people just because you don't like their opinion. I forget why I'm willing to immediately attack you. I have simply developed this idea about you over time that is anything but redeeming. I'm sure you have noticed I usually play nice with some here I disagree with.

As for my attacks in general to "libtards," and using words like lemming, demonrat, etc. I am simply tired of the real threats I see to this nation. It goes beyond disagreeing with someone like yourself. I simply cannot see how someone can be so brainwashed.

Marcus Bryant
02-08-2010, 12:25 AM
Worrying about someone being "condescending" speaks well enough about your self esteem.

As I stated prior, the article would have been much better without the whining and the first third of the body. Kinda like Tori Spelling, but I digress.

Anyways, it is time for the true patriots such as Cobra Commander to rise up and take back this nation from the un-Americans.

baseline bum
02-08-2010, 12:52 AM
LOL...

I have to admit, it's fun getting people like you upset.

It's one thing in my view to attack people for cause. It's not acceptable to attack people just because you don't like their opinion. I forget why I'm willing to immediately attack you. I have simply developed this idea about you over time that is anything but redeeming. I'm sure you have noticed I usually play nice with some here I disagree with.

As for my attacks in general to "libtards," and using words like lemming, demonrat, etc. I am simply tired of the real threats I see to this nation. It goes beyond disagreeing with someone like yourself. I simply cannot see how someone can be so brainwashed.

:lmao @ you playing nice with people you disagree with. You call practically every non-teabagger on this site a libtard, so spare me the lie. I won't shed a tear for not being liked by someone who says he'd like to go murder people at the border if it was legal.

Ignignokt
02-08-2010, 12:52 AM
Worrying about someone being "condescending" speaks well enough about your self esteem.

As I stated prior, the article would have been much better without the whining and the first third of the body. Kinda like Tori Spelling, but I digress.

Anyways, it is time for the true patriots such as Cobra Commander to rise up and take back this nation from the un-Americans.

So condescension is not a real term. It's just a reactionary verb thrown around by whiny individuals.

Nobody condescends, there is no such thing, if one thinks someone else condescends, it's because they're butt hurts.

Wow, you can be pretty moronic most of the times, Marcus.

ElNono
02-08-2010, 01:25 AM
So condescension is not a real term. It's just a reactionary verb thrown around by whiny individuals.

Nobody condescends, there is no such thing, if one thinks someone else condescends, it's because they're butt hurts.

Wow, you can be pretty moronic most of the times, Marcus.

You're pretty condescending... are you a liberal?

Cry Havoc
02-08-2010, 03:30 AM
Perhaps SOME liberals are condescending because they are annoyed that suddenly conservatives feel that being educated and studying history/politics/any post-secondary education is a waste of time and/or reason to be ridiculed.

But no, that's probably just their "elitism" talking.

spursncowboys
02-08-2010, 11:19 AM
(1)"vast right-wing conspiracy,"

(2) if conservative leaders are crass manipulators, then the rank-and-file Americans who support them must be manipulated at best, or stupid at worst.

(3)Republicans win elections because they tap into white prejudice against blacks and immigrants.

(4)liberals condescend to the rest of us when they say conservatives are driven purely by emotion and anxiety -- including fear of change -- whereas liberals have the harder task of appealing to evidence and logic.

TeyshaBlue
02-08-2010, 11:45 AM
Perhaps SOME liberals are condescending because they are annoyed that suddenly conservatives feel that being educated and studying history/politics/any post-secondary education is a waste of time and/or reason to be ridiculed.

But no, that's probably just their "elitism" talking.

lol @ Havoc's straw condenscending arguement.:lmao

Suddenly? Conservatives really feel this way? Fascinating.

TeyshaBlue
02-08-2010, 11:46 AM
FWIW, neither ideology has a lock on condenscension.

rjv
02-08-2010, 11:48 AM
what a patronizing thread...

TeyshaBlue
02-08-2010, 12:05 PM
what a patronizing thread...

:lmao

RandomGuy
02-12-2010, 12:58 PM
[B]American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration

Not exactly sure which smiley I need.

I respectfully disagree, and would posit the exact opposite.

Both ends have their dogmatic nuts, but the continued success of people like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, et al. kind of put the lie to that statement, don't you think?

boutons_deux
02-12-2010, 01:04 PM
"conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration"

which conservative/Repug/neo-c*nt positions have NOT been proven, going back to St Ronnie, to be "illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration"

101A
02-12-2010, 01:33 PM
"conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration"

which conservative/Repug/neo-c*nt positions have NOT been proven, going back to St Ronnie, to be "illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration"


Balanced Budgets are good for the economy - A conservative position; not practiced by Republican presidents; but a conservative position nonetheless, that proved accurate.

boutons_deux
02-12-2010, 02:29 PM
"Balanced Budgets are good for the economy"

Depends on the ecomony, stone-cold vs over-heated.

The question remains: what have the Repugs/conservatives DONE to help America since 1980?