The Spurs' best players by rank this season?

[bdictjames]

What's yours?

1. Duncan
2. Tony
3. Manu
4. Hill
5. Blair
6. RJ
7. Bogans
8. McDyess
9. Bonner
10. Mason

[HarlemHeat37]

I guess we're trying to measure it by overall impact..

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Ginobili
4. Blair
5. Hill
6. McDyess
7. Jefferson
8. Bonner
9. Mason
10. Bogans
11. Finley

[TD 21]

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Ginobili
4. Hill
5. Blair
6. McDyess
7. Jefferson
8. Bogans
9. Bonner
10. Mason
11. Ratliff
12. Finley
13. Mahinmi
14. Hairston
15. Haislip

[Muser]

Pretty much what Harlem said.

[MaNu4Tres]

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Ginobili
4. Hill
5. Blair
6. McDyess
7. Jefferson
8. Bogans
9. Bonner
10. Mason
11. Ratliff
12. Finley
13. Mahinmi
14. Hairston
15. Haislip

[DPG21920]

Duncan
Blair
Hill

[Pero]

Didn't Bonner play well before the injury? Why are you putting him behind Bogans?

[5in10]

Duncan
Blair
Hill

[ElNono]

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Ginobili
4. Hill
5. Blair
6. McDyess
7. Jefferson
8. Bogans
9. Bonner
10. Mason
11. Ratliff
12. Finley
13. Mahinmi
14. Hairston
15. Haislip

[itzsoweezee]

Interesting stats from 82games.com: http://www.82games.com/0910/0910SAS5.HTM

looks like the opposing team's power forward has been consistently killing us this year. from these stats, i'm guessing they're listing duncan as center, not power forward. this tells me that blair and mcdyess have been really underperforming on defense.

i'm a big blair fan. but having seen the spurs play the blazers live this past week, it's pretty obvious that blair screws up on defense a lot.

that said, here's my top 5:

1. Duncan
2. Manu
3. Tony
4. Hill
5. Blair

[HarlemHeat37]

A lot of that can be attributed to our poor perimeter defenders and poor overall pick & roll D though, so it goes both ways IMO..

Both Blair and McDyess do make a lot of mistakes defensively from a team defense standpoint, but McDyess has been a pretty good individual defender these last few weeks..

[tothrowed]

1.manu
2.blair
3.hill
4.duncan
5.parker

[BlackSwordsMan]

duncan
blair
hill, agreed

[Truckules]

looks like the opposing team's power forward has been consistently killing us this year. from these stats, i'm guessing they're listing duncan as center, not power forward. this tells me that blair and mcdyess have been really underperforming on defense.

i'm a big blair fan. but having seen the spurs play the blazers live this past week, it's pretty obvious that blair screws up on defense a lot.

Blair is not a bad interior defender. However, against the PFs that have range, he struggles a lot (and McDyess to a lesser degree). The one team I don't want to see in the playoffs is the Blazers because of how bad Blair/McDyess match-up with Aldridge. He's averaging 22.3 pts/game against the Spurs this year on 53% shooting.

[androck]

Interesting stats from 82games.com: http://www.82games.com/0910/0910SAS5.HTM

looks like the opposing team's power forward has been consistently killing us this year. from these stats, i'm guessing they're listing duncan as center, not power forward. this tells me that blair and mcdyess have been really underperforming on defense.

i'm a big blair fan. but having seen the spurs play the blazers live this past week, it's pretty obvious that blair screws up on defense a lot.

that said, here's my top 5:

1. Duncan
2. Manu
3. Tony
4. Hill
5. Blair

McDyess has been improving defensively the last couple weeks. Blair is probably going to continue being below-average on defense until next year at the earliest (and maybe forever). He's undersized which is a huge liability on the defensive end and he's a rookie. The defensive schemes of the Spurs are hard for veterans to pick up and Blair wasn't a particularly good defender in college to begin with.

[androck]

On a relative scale:

Exceeded Expectations
1. TD - career year at 33
2. DeJuan Blair - should get some RoY votes
3. Matt Bonner - pre-injury he was playing the best he ever has
4. Manu - doing everything but scoring
5. George Hill - much improved since last season

Met Expectations
6. Roger Mason - still makes his 3s
7. Mike Finley - still old, still makes his 3s, still can't defend
8. Keith Bogans - solid defensively (thought not Bruce) but inconsistent shooter
9. Theo Ratliff - changes shots when he gets minutes

Below Expectations
10. Tony Parker - worst defensive year ever, PF really hurting him
11. Antonio McDyess - rough start but looks like he's picking things up
12. Richard Jefferson - a disaster as the 2nd-highest paid player on the Spurs

[roycrikside]

It's easy, I think, just go by PER....

1) Tim 27.26
2) Manu 19.79
3) Beast 17.63
4) Tony 17.58
5) Rocket 15.18
6) IUPUI 14.29
7) Dice 12.83
8) Dick 12.25
9) Mace 12.03
10) Bogans 8.96
11) Findog 8.54

[Sean Cagney]

1.manu
2.blair
3.hill
4.duncan
5.parker

LMAO at the only all star we have and our team leader and leader in scoring and rebounds and blocks (FG too) being #4!!!!! HAHHA yeah.

[timvp]

On a relative scale:

Exceeded Expectations
1. TD - career year at 33
2. DeJuan Blair - should get some RoY votes
3. Matt Bonner - pre-injury he was playing the best he ever has
4. Manu - doing everything but scoring
5. George Hill - much improved since last season

Met Expectations
6. Roger Mason - still makes his 3s
7. Mike Finley - still old, still makes his 3s, still can't defend
8. Keith Bogans - solid defensively (thought not Bruce) but inconsistent shooter
9. Theo Ratliff - changes shots when he gets minutes

Below Expectations
10. Tony Parker - worst defensive year ever, PF really hurting him
11. Antonio McDyess - rough start but looks like he's picking things up
12. Richard Jefferson - a disaster as the 2nd-highest paid player on the Spurs

I like this format better, but disagree with how you placed 'em:

Exceeded Expectations
1. Tim Duncan - didn't experience expect fall off
2. DeJuan Blair - beast

Met Expectations
3. George Hill - should soon be in above tier
4. Matt Bonner - was playing better than expected before injury
5. Keith Bogans - was playing well ... then fell off
6. Theo Ratliff - Theo is who we thought he was
7. Mike Finley - what was there to expect?

Below Expectations
8. Antonio McDyess - rising quickly to higher tier
10. Manu Ginobili/Tony Parker - both have been about equally disappointing
11. Roger Mason - hasn't bounced back ... Pop partly to blame
12. Richard Jefferson - obvious


When your supposed second, third and fourth players have disappointed, it's not a surprise that the team overall has disappointed.

[Blackjack]

I like this format better, but disagree with how you placed 'em:

Exceeded Expectations
1. Tim Duncan - didn't experience expect fall off
2. DeJuan Blair - beast

Met Expectations
3. George Hill - should soon be in above tier
4. Matt Bonner - was playing better than expected before injury
5. Keith Bogans - was playing well ... then fell off
6. Theo Ratliff - Theo is who we thought he was
7. Mike Finley - what was there to expect?

Below Expectations
8. Antonio McDyess - rising quickly to higher tier
10. Manu Ginobili/Tony Parker - both have been about equally disappointing
11. Roger Mason - hasn't bounced back ... Pop partly to blame
12. Richard Jefferson - obvious


When your supposed second, third and fourth players have disappointed, it's not a surprise that the team overall has disappointed.

:tu

The only thing I'd slightly differ on is George, as he's exceeded expectations in my view. Had Pop not spoken so glowingly of him to start the season, there'd be no question he'd exceeded expectation.

Basically, if the season ended last year and we knew nothing of what happened during the offseason, George's performance thus far would've been a pleasant surprise.

[kace]

I like this format better, but disagree with how you placed 'em:


i don't. You don't get graded in school, and anywhere else, for what you're supposed to do but but what you actually do.

i find this kind of ranking rather "condescending" towards the readers, like they aren't able to know what to expect from a specific player.

We all know that Tim is a A+ player, TP and Manu, A players, Bogans, maybe a D player etc etc....


any ranking leading to Fin and Ratliff above manu and TP is irrelevant IMO. Really useless to show the overall impact on the team.

[timtonymanu]

1. Tim
2. Manu
3. Hill
4. Parker
5. Blair
6. McDyess
7. Jefferson
8. Bonner
9. Bogans
10. Mason
11. Ratliff
12. Finley
13. Mahinmi
14. Hairston

[Xylus]

i don't. You don't get graded in school, and anywhere else, for what you're supposed to do but but what you actually do.

i find this kind of ranking rather "condescending" towards the readers, like they aren't able to know what to expect from a specific player.

We all know that Tim is a A+ player, TP and Manu, A players, Bogans, maybe a D player etc etc....


any ranking leading to Fin and Ratliff above manu and TP is irrelevant IMO. Really useless to show the overall impact on the team.

I see what you're saying, but I don't think your analogy to school is completely accurate. Some players are paid larger sums of money, and are expected to perform at a higher level.

[sabar]

i don't. You don't get graded in school, and anywhere else, for what you're supposed to do but but what you actually do.

i find this kind of ranking rather "condescending" towards the readers, like they aren't able to know what to expect from a specific player.

We all know that Tim is a A+ player, TP and Manu, A players, Bogans, maybe a D player etc etc....


any ranking leading to Fin and Ratliff above manu and TP is irrelevant IMO. Really useless to show the overall impact on the team.

Actually really good to show overall impact, especially since those at the bottom carry so much weight. 8-12 are the problems...

[Ikstomi]

timmy
hill
parker
blair
manu
__________

[Bukefal]

Duncan
Parker
Blair
Manu
.......

[romain.star]

I see what you're saying, but I don't think your analogy to school is completely accurate. Some players are paid larger sums of money, and are expected to perform at a higher level.

I think Kace is right here... this is not a matter of money.
The intrinsic value of a lay-up or a rebound doesn't change based on the salary of the scorer or the rebounder.

[Chieflion]

I think Kace is right here... this is not a matter of money.
The intrinsic value of a lay-up or a rebound doesn't change based on the salary of the scorer or the rebounder.
I have a different opinion. I think he means that different players have different expectations with regards to their role. For example, we thought DeJuan Blair would just be the 3rd big in the rotation but he had started quite some games and impressed, playing well against good teams like the Celtics and the Thunder. Richard Jefferson, on the other hand, is expected to be 4th option and has not lived up to those "expectations" to be an all-around player.

[romain.star]

I have a different opinion. I think he means that different players have different expectations with regards to their role. For example, we thought DeJuan Blair would just be the 3rd big in the rotation but he had started quite some games and impressed, playing well against good teams like the Celtics and the Thunder. Richard Jefferson, on the other hand, is expected to be 4th option and has not lived up to those "expectations" to be an all-around player.

i get the point and i agree ! It would be unfair and stupid to judge Blair or Hill season based on Duncan or Parker standards.
But ''the spurs' best players by rank'' (as it is stated in the title of this thread) is supposed to be the ranking of the best spurs players without having anything to do with pre-season expectations or salary.

Therefore:
1. Duncan (exeeded expectations)
2. Parker (below expectations... so far)
3. Hill / Ginobili (exceeded expectations for the 1st one, below expectations for the second one)
5. Blair (exceeded expectations)
6. Jefferson (no comment)
7. McDyess (below but about to meet expectations)
8. Bonner (met expectations)
9. Bogans (met expectations)
10. Ratliff (met expectations)

[timtonymanu]

i like this format too.

Exceeded Expectations
1. Tim Duncan - i thought this would be his worst year due to age and his injury, but he's better than ever
2. DeJuan Blair - didnt think he would be as good as he is now
3. George Hill - i had hope for him, but i didnt think he would step up this much


Met Expectations
4. Matt Bonner - he was in my exceeded list until his injury
5. Keith Bogans - could have been exceeded but he has sucked lately
6. Theo Ratliff - spot minutes, block shots - what i expected.
7. Michael Finley - meh, at least his minutes went down
8. Manu - pretty much lost a step like i expected
Former player - Haislip - he was overrated, he sucked, he left
9. Ian - i think people overrate him on here, but what i saw is what i thought i would get
10. Malik - has improved, just pop doesnt wanna play him

Below Expectations
11. Antonio McDyess - getting there to meet expectations
12. TP - was hoping he would be our leader this year but his injury really ruined him, but lately he's looking better (hopefully)
13. Mason - was hoping he would be much better this year, but he's at the point where has no positive affect on the court
14. RJ - 14 million for a player that shows up barely and is suppose to be the 4th option.

[gospursgojas]

Top 5
Mahimi
Haislip
Hairiston
Ratliff
Jefferson

[kace]

I have a different opinion. I think he means that different players have different expectations with regards to their role. For example, we thought DeJuan Blair would just be the 3rd big in the rotation but he had started quite some games and impressed, playing well against good teams like the Celtics and the Thunder. Richard Jefferson, on the other hand, is expected to be 4th option and has not lived up to those "expectations" to be an all-around player.

OK, so what ?

If Tim and Blair have the same "B" overall game (let's say 14 pts, 48 %FG, 7 rbds, decent defense etc etc...) give them a "B". Everyone knows that for Tim, as a "A" superstar, it would mean an average game and for Blair, a "C" young prospect, an very encouraging one. anyway, just my opinion.

[TheBigFundamental]

Duncan
Parker
Ginobili
Hill
Blair
McDyess
Jefferson
Mason
Bogans

[Brazil]

we should have included pop as way below expectations

[timvp]

OK, so what ?

If Tim and Blair have the same "B" overall game (let's say 14 pts, 48 %FG, 7 rbds, decent defense etc etc...) give them a "B". Everyone knows that for Tim, as a "A" superstar, it would mean an average game and for Blair, a "C" young prospect, an very encouraging one. anyway, just my opinion.

The problem is that a "D" game for Duncan is better than an "A" game by other bigs. So if you really want to grade on an even playing field, 90% of games would just be like this:

Duncan - A
Parker - C
Ginobili - C
Everyone Else - F

[kace]

The problem is that a "D" game for Duncan is better than an "A" game by other bigs. So if you really want to grade on an even playing field, 90% of games would just be like this:

Duncan - A
Parker - C
Ginobili - C
Everyone Else - F

not false but still..... the best one could be on an even playing field but with more grades (like a numerical grading between 0 and 20/20 or 10/10 by example) but i don't think that's very usual in US like it is in Europe.

anyway, i don't think there's any kind of "grading" on ST that wouldn't bring hot discussions and endless polemics about their accuracy :lol
i still remember last time you tried (last year).

[ulosturedge]

Duncan
Blair
Hill

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Exceed:

1. Duncan
2. Blair
3. Hill

Meet:

4. Bogans
5. Bonner
6. Finley
7. Ratliff

Below:

8. Parker
9. Ginobili
10. Jefferson
11. Mason
12. McDyess
13. Popovich

I refuse to rank Hairston, Haislip and Mahinmi as their time on the court has not been measurable.

[Rappin' Pop]

Hey, hey, hey. Gotta rank my Spurs players here. Check this out. It is rap time yo.

Failing to meet expectations is Mr Eva Longoria Tony Parker.
I got my guy Michael Finley meeting expectations as a cock sucker.

The best playa, Timmy Duncan, I am gonna give him the first distinction.
Matt Bonner did great but he ain't no 80s Larry Bird imitation.

Dice is like a gamble, I can only do shit with him 1 out of 6 times.
Manu Ginobili, can't score consistently, but he is averaging a career high of dimes.

Keith Bogans, what were the expectations, Bruce Bowen who the hell?
DeJuan Blair, no ACLs my ass, that was CIA Pop for you, he trains in a prison cell.

Dick Jefferson, playing like the limp we all know he is, after Finley and I got settled.
Roger Mason, threw him under the bus cause he sucked, after we rap battled.

I will refuse to rank Ian, Theo, Hairston, cause they don't get the minutes, and sucked donkey balls.
How can I forget my favorite player, George Hill, he is the only motherfucker who remembered all my play calls.

So, Spurs fans, tell me how nice my ass taste.