Montana > Brady > Manning

[monosylab1k]

end.

of.

fucking.

story.

[picc84]

Yep.

[dbreiden83080]

No way

You've been watching too much ESPN classic..

[bostonguy]

Man I am in a damn good mood seeing how Peyton crumbled. This puts to rest the Manning>Brady talks for at least 2 years (superbowl losers curse applies to Indy next season).

[resistanze]

Pats fans crawling out of the fucking woodwork!









You're right, though.

[IronMexican]

I am beginning to believe it.

[SpuronyourFace]

I have to agree with the thread title after tonight

[monosylab1k]

Pats fans crawling out of the fucking woodwork!

We've all been posting on the forum far more frequently than you faggot.

[resistanze]

We've all been posting on the forum far more frequently than you faggot.

You're still the 86th cocksucker to say this shit tonight.

And calm down I was just ribbing you folks. :toast

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Word.

.500 record in the playoffs sinks Manning.

And for those submarining the Colts D, they held the Saints O under their scoring average, had a crucial goal line stand and held the Saints to 33% on 3rd down.

[monosylab1k]

This thread title might need to be edited to "Montana > Brady > Worthlessburger > Manning"

At least Fat Ben didn't give the SB away when his team was down.

[Kermit]

Well, the Brady cocksuckers have come out in full force to deepthroat their boy. Thanks Peyton. Guess we might as well make it official.

Montana > Brady > Worthlessburger > Vince > Manning

[san antonio spurs]

This thread title might need to be edited to "Montana > Brady > Worthlessburger > Manning"

At least Fat Ben didn't give the SB away when his team was down.
I don't particularly like Big Ben, but he's damn clutch. In the biggest of stages. So you might be right

[SAtown]

We've all been posting on the forum far more frequently than you faggot.

Yeah, but he doesn't flaunt his bandwagon team like you and the rest of the Colts and Pats faggots on this boards

:lmao "I've been on this board longer than you waaaaaaaaaaaa"

[monosylab1k]

Yeah, but he doesn't flaunt his bandwagon team like you and the rest of the Colts and Pats faggots on this boards

:lmao "I've been on this board longer than you waaaaaaaaaaaa"

ROFL at Jets fan talking shit.

Let me guess, you're a diehard who loved the Jets even during the Al Toon/Ken O'Brien years.....oh wait, that was some other lameass bandwagoning faggot who tried using that line. You all sound alike, sorry.

[SAtown]

I became a fan a few years after that, when I was 12. And yes, I am a die hard, not a pussy frontrunner like you and your vaginas you call pats fans

[monosylab1k]

I became a fan a few years after that, when I was 12.

:lmao I'm sure you did

[SAtown]

"I've been on this board longer than you waaaaaaaaaaaa"

:lmao

[san antonio spurs]

ROFL at Jets fan talking shit.

Let me guess, you're a diehard who loved the Jets even during the Al Toon/Ken O'Brien years.....oh wait, that was some other lameass bandwagoning faggot who tried using that line. You all sound alike, sorry.
This kid is no diehard fan. Most diehard jets fans I know are all humble... and were all humbled by tough losses over the decades, they all believe their team is cursed. So to see this highschooler talk smack, to the pats of all things, is quite funny:lol

[IronMexican]

I became a Raider fan in the rich gannon era. I used to think that the Raiders would always be super bowl contenders. I was in for a rude awakening.

[IronMexican]

This kid is no diehard fan. Most diehard jets fans I know are all humble... and were all humbled by tough losses over the decades, they all believe their team is cursed. So to see this highschooler talk smack, to the pats of all things, is quite funny:lol

Lol, you can't talk shit to the Pats? That's funny. I'm a Raider fan, and I have no problem talking shit to Pats fans.

[SAtown]

This kid is no diehard fan. Most diehard jets fans I know are all humble... and were all humbled by tough losses over the decades, they all believe their team is cursed. So to see this highschooler talk smack, to the pats of all things, is quite funny:lol

:lmao ok, tell me 5 pats players before 2000...

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Quick, check WIKIPEDIA

[dirk4mvp]

What's cool is that most of the Colts bashing threads turned into something completely different. Cool :tu

[san antonio spurs]

Lol, you can't talk shit to the Pats? That's funny. I'm a Raider fan, and I have no problem talking shit to Pats fans.
If we take raiders' fans right to talk shit what would you guys have left to do?
You and lions fans have the right to talk shit to any team you want. Kind of like the fat and ugly girl can talk shit to any hot chick she wants (I forgot whose stand up was):lol

[Kermit]

I became a Raider fan in the rich gannon era. I used to think that the Raiders would always be super bowl contenders. I was in for a rude awakening.

Rich Gannon era?

[san antonio spurs]

:lmao ok, tell me 5 pats players before 2000...

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Quick, check WIKIPEDIA

Son you're giving yourself too much credit.
Why would I care whether you think I'm a true fan or not? Tell me why my friend:lol

[tony320]

link (http://www.insanityworkoutschedule.org/)

[IronMexican]

Rich Gannon era?

2000-2004. That's when I became a die-hard fan, brah. Those were great teams always a couple of breaks away from possibly winning a super bowl.


Minus 2004. That team sucked.

[SAtown]

Son you're giving yourself too much credit.
Why would I care whether you think I'm a true fan or not? Tell me why my friend:lol

LOL I've seen this on South Park, seeing as you're canadian


-5uzJVkeaUI

[Fillmoe]

ill agree with that

[to21]

Edit: Montana>Brady>Aikman>Manning

:stirpot:

[picc84]

Eli over Juggernaught Pats > Manning over Rex "am I really here?" Grossman

[stretch]

Montana > Eli > Brady

fixed

[MiamiHeat]

in terms of post-season success yeah sure, montana is up there. problem is, super bowl victories in the NFL area a team accomplishment. this isn't the NBA where there are only 5 guys on the court and they play offense AND defense.



so, in terms of greatest qb

it's

Marino > all

[Dr. Gonzo]

lmao

[stretch]

in terms of post-season success yeah sure, montana is up there. problem is, super bowl victories in the NFL area a team accomplishment. this isn't the NBA where there are only 5 guys on the court and they play offense AND defense.

i agree completely. championships are team accomplishments, PERIOD, but even more so applies to football. championships should not be the sole thing that individuals are judged by. too many morons dont realize that.




so, in terms of greatest qb

it's

Marino > all

now this, i dont agree with

[MiamiHeat]

who is your greatest QB then?

[doobs]

Manning is still better than Brady.

[LOL texans]

This debate is not even close to being done untill both Manning and Brady's careers are done. Montana played with better teams than either Manning or Brady. In an era with NO free agency. So its really hard to compare QBs in different eras. But they are all studs.

[stretch]

who is your greatest QB then?

Peyton Manning still

say what you want, that pick was not his fault last night, even Wayne admitted it. it was a timed curl route that wayne ran as piss poorly as possible (maybe his injury was worse than we thought because he was a complete non-factor all game)

[MiamiHeat]

Peyton Manning still

say what you want, that pick was not his fault last night, even Wayne admitted it. it was a timed curl route that wayne ran as piss poorly as possible (maybe his injury was worse than we thought because he was a complete non-factor all game)

Wayne also dropped like 2 or 3 balls, one big one at the end of the game where the Colts could have gotten first and goal.

maybe the mafia got to him LOL

[stretch]

Garcon dropped a couple ones that he should have caught too. But I guess that's Peyton's fault in the minds of the haters.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

There's no specific person to blame that game on. Peyton fucked up, but lets say Garcon catches that wide open 3rd down drop and that turns into a drive that puts the Colts up 17-3, do the Saints recover from that? If the Colts recover that onside kick and then score, they go up 17-6, do the Saints recover from that? A LOT of football was played prior to Peyton's interception. IMO Peyton didn't do what his team needed him to do to win, but neither did Wayne, Garcon or anyone in the Colts' secondary.

More than anything the Saints deserve credit. Their defensive game plan couldn't have been much better. They had a good mix of blitzes and dropping into coverage, had several players step up and make big plays on D, and their offense did a good job keeping Peyton off the field so he couldn't get in a rhythm after the 1st quarter.

[IronMexican]

There's no specific person to blame that game on. Peyton fucked up, but lets say Garcon catches that wide open 3rd down drop and that turns into a drive that puts the Colts up 17-3

That play was a TD. If Garcon catches it. There is nothing stopping him from at least getting to the redzone.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

That play was a TD. If Garcon catches it. There is nothing stopping him from at least getting to the redzone.


Yeah he's probably my favorite player on the Colts, that drop was huge but you expect stuff like that from a rookie in the superbowl. Wayne is the veteran who vomited his mom's spaghetti all over his sweater and didn't show up.

[eyeh8u]

Yeah he's probably my favorite player on the Colts, that drop was huge but you expect stuff like that from a rookie in the superbowl. Wayne is the veteran who vomited his mom's spaghetti all over his sweater and didn't show up.

garcon is second year, not rookie

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

garcon is second year, not rookie


Wtf why did I think he's a rookie? Either way I guess it's expected from someone as inexperienced as he is.

[IronMexican]

I wonder what JT and dirk think of blue jesus now.

[dbreiden83080]

I think most would agree that Peyton is the best regular season QB of all time. And yes you can laugh Reg season HAHA, but, NFL unlike most other major sports like MLB or NBA a bad month could mean you don't make the playoffs. How many teams go 1-3 or 0-4 in a month and are even still in contention?? The Colts have won 12 and 13 games over and over in this man's career. Yes he's 9-9 in the post-season but he's won a SB and got them to another one. I mean look at Ben Rothlesberger, he's got 2 and he played friggin horrendous in that first superbowl.. Peyton played very well last night, 31-45 333 1/1 were his stats.. I understand if you want to take all the glory you have to take the blame too at the QB spot, but Peyton has had an amazing career. I don't know how anyone can say he is not top 5 right now with years left to go..

[stretch]

i think what mainly lost the game was the lack of defensive adjustments. they sat in the same cover 2 zone the ENTIRE GAME. didnt bother to mix it up once Brees had them figured out, and once Freeney's ankle started tightening up which really took away a lot of the pressure they were able to get in the first half.

lol mma

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

i think what mainly lost the game was the lack of defensive adjustments. they sat in the same cover 2 zone the ENTIRE GAME. didnt bother to mix it up once Brees had them figured out, and once Freeney's ankle started tightening up which really took away a lot of the pressure they were able to get in the first half.

+1

The Colts' D might has been good the past few years but IMO there's always some weird undependable vibe it gives off. It's great in the sense that everyone besides Mathis and Freeney can get injured without affecting it too much, but there's something not right about a defense set up like that (mainly that if Freeney or Mathis goes down, it's fucked).

The Saints' D might not be good but at least it's capable of mixing things up and isn't so dependent on 1-2 players. If the Saints' D kept trotting out the same coverage over and over again, Manning would have had a field day.

[Blake]

who is your greatest QB then?

it sure as hell isn't Marino.

The great ones don't need to take on stupid roles in movies like Ace Ventura to try to cement their legacy

[Blake]

I wonder what JT and dirk think of blue jesus now.

I think Tebow still sucks

[stretch]

+1

The Colts' D might has been good the past few years but IMO there's always some weird undependable vibe it gives off. It's great in the sense that everyone besides Mathis and Freeney can get injured without affecting it too much, but there's something not right about a defense set up like that (mainly that if Freeney or Mathis goes down, it's fucked).

The Saints' D might not be good but at least it's capable of mixing things up and isn't so dependent on 1-2 players. If the Saints' D kept trotting out the same coverage over and over again, Manning would have had a field day.

ive never thought that their defense was all that great. they have their spurts where they step it up, but generally, they rely a lot on Peyton and the offense keeping them off the field and keeping the pressure off of them. usually they are able to score so easily, that it forces most opposing offenses to go into a pass happy mode, which allows more opportunities for rushers like Freeney and Mathis to get pressure and create easy opportunities for the rest of the defense.

this game was perfect proof of what i have constantly been saying... the Colts LIVE off of Peyton Manning. the dude IS the Indianapolis Colts. without him, they are probably the most screwed team in the NFL. Polian needs to get him some more help (on the DEFENSIVE side of the ball)

[Blake]

this game was perfect proof of what i have constantly been saying... the Colts LIVE off of Peyton Manning. the dude IS the Indianapolis Colts. without him, they are probably the most screwed team in the NFL. Polian needs to get him some more help (on the DEFENSIVE side of the ball)

that's probably true and I would add they need some more RB help.

reminds me of Elway in the 80s super bowls.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

ive never thought that their defense was all that great. they have their spurts where they step it up, but generally, they rely a lot on Peyton and the offense keeping them off the field and keeping the pressure off of them. usually they are able to score so easily, that it forces most opposing offenses to go into a pass happy mode, which allows more opportunities for rushers like Freeney and Mathis to get pressure and create easy opportunities for the rest of the defense.

this game was perfect proof of what i have constantly been saying... the Colts LIVE off of Peyton Manning. the dude IS the Indianapolis Colts. without him, they are probably the most screwed team in the NFL. Polian needs to get him some more help (on the DEFENSIVE side of the ball)


Again I agree, their offense in large part is their defense. Get a lead so Freeney and Mathis don't have to play the run, they get to fly by the guy who is supposed to be blocking them and they get pressure quickly. They generally "step up" in the 2 minute defense type situation when the other team can't run the ball because of the clock. Everyone in their secondary is great at certain things but has glaring weaknesses against certain things.

Any team able to run a balanced, ball control offense is gonna give the Colts problems. The Dolphins lost to them this year but dominated T.O.P. and probably would have won if they weren't so run heavy. Before New England went to a douche-ass pass happy offense and had a ball control offense, they would always kill Indy. The Saints are the latest example of a team that can run and pass their way to long drives that keep their offense off the field and get their defense tired.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

it sure as hell isn't Marino.

The great ones don't need to take on stupid roles in movies like Ace Ventura to try to cement their legacy


:lmao Ace Ventura

[stretch]

that's probably true and I would add they need some more RB help.

reminds me of Elway in the 80s super bowls.

yeah that could help them as well, although i was suprised at how well addai played. im sure some of that was because the saints completely sold out on defense to defend the pass (which wasnt really working) but Addai was running very hard, fighting constantly for a few extra yards. but as long as they have peyton and that lethal passing offense, their run game will be able to at least be remotely effective, even if they dont seem to get a lot of total yards through a season.

i think they should focus their ENTIRE offseason to the defense. the offense will be just fine. colts will still be contenders for several more years, and the main reason for that is Manning.

[DAF86]

I've never seen Montana play, but Manning is clearly better than Brady.

[Blake]

I've never seen Montana play, but Manning is clearly better than Brady.

how do you figure?

[bostonguy]

I've never seen Montana play, but Manning is clearly better than Brady in the regular season.

Fixed

[dirk4mvp]

lmao

convenient how those on the other side of the Manning/Brady fence forget about Brady's handful of chokes. Did any of you not see him suck massive amounts of dick just a few weeks ago against a team the Colts raped?

[DAF86]

how do you figure?

Just by seeing them play.

[dirk4mvp]

Just by seeing them play.

Don't worry with blake. He thinks Graham Harrell got robbed out of the heisman.

[resistanze]

Let's make NO's special night about Brady!

[Whisky Dog]

:lmao ok, tell me 5 pats players before 2000...

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Quick, check WIKIPEDIA

Hugh Millen:rollin

I miss the days where my Cowboys were kings and the pats started Hugh Millen. We called the 3rd string QB on my HS squad Hugh because he sucked so bad.

[Whisky Dog]

Besides, NO and Brees would have impaled Brady and the pats even worse so don't know why anyone is throwing pats shit around like this vindicates their average season.

[HarlemHeat37]

Brady is coming off a major injury..it's kind of funny that everybody likes to shit on the Patriots and Brady so much, such haters..I'm not a Pats fan, but I have a lot of respect for them..they're clearly the team of the decade and Brady is clearly better than Peyton "Rihanna" Manning..

[dirk4mvp]

Oh a built in excuse. Neat :tu

[jacobdrj]

Brady AND Manning did have the benefit of one of the most clutch kickers ever; Adam Vinatieri...

[monosylab1k]

lmao

convenient how those on the other side of the Manning/Brady fence forget about Brady's handful of chokes. Did any of you not see him suck massive amounts of dick just a few weeks ago against a team the Colts raped?

yeah, a handful of chokes and 3 rings to go with it. And he didn't throw one right to a CB in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl he lost.

[monosylab1k]

Just by seeing them play.

lol argentina

[monosylab1k]

Besides, NO and Brees would have impaled Brady and the pats even worse so don't know why anyone is throwing pats shit around like this vindicates their average season.

Do you fucking read? This doesn't have anything to do with Brady sucking ass this year.

Why the hell do you think Montana is mentioned? You think anybody believes Joe Montana could put on some shoulder pads tomorrow and outplay Brady or Manning? Use your fucking brain. Brady all-time is greater than Manning, just like Montana all-time is greater than Brady.

[dirk4mvp]

Brady hasn't been clutch in some time now. I don't know why people here think he's some untouchable being because of superbowls he was on the ride for.

[monosylab1k]

Brady hasn't been clutch in some time now. I don't know why people here think he's some untouchable being because of superbowls he was on the ride for.

rofl let's not go into QB's being on the ride for a Super Bowl victory. I've got a box score and a picture of a certain Bears QB fumbling a certain football to bukkake that argument.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Brady's TD drive late in the 2007 superbowl was plenty clutch, not his fault the defense suddenly fell apart.

[dirk4mvp]

The greatest offense to ever take the field shouldn't have been in that situation in the first place.

[monosylab1k]

Brady's TD drive late in the 2007 superbowl was plenty clutch, not his fault the defense suddenly fell apart.

Yeah, at least he didn't throw one right to a CB with a dog shit haircut.

[monosylab1k]

The greatest offense to ever take the field shouldn't have been in that situation in the first place.

Well not everybody can have Rex Grossman giving them 30 yard fields to work with all night long.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The greatest offense to ever take the field shouldn't have been in that situation in the first place.


I'd love to see how good Peyton would be with Justin Tuck royally face raping his offensive line the entire game.

[dirk4mvp]

Well not everybody can have Rex Grossman giving them 30 yard fields to work with all night long.

Still shouldn't have been a problem for the awesome Tom Brady.

[monosylab1k]

Still shouldn't have been a problem for the awesome Tom Brady.

Definitely shouldn't have, but after it happened, he didn't find the cornerback with the shittiest haircut on the Giants and throw one right into his breadbasket.

[monosylab1k]

I'd love to see how good Peyton would be with Justin Tuck royally face raping his offensive line the entire game.

He'd definitely try to be a good teammate

[monosylab1k]

xOjBcAcKyuA

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Still shouldn't have been a problem for the awesome Tom Brady.


The 26th ranked pass defense in the NFL shouldn't have been a problem for the awesome Peyton Manning.

Both Brady and Manning botched their last two superbowls. I don't think Brady botched his any worse than Peyton did, particularly cause he was facing a pass rush that had 3 defensive linemen with 9+ sacks in the regular season.

[dirk4mvp]

He'd definitely try to be a good teammate

I'd prefer him to laugh and act like the opposing team's player prediction wouldn't come true.

[monosylab1k]

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/tracy-porter-hair.jpg

[Blake]

Don't worry with blake. He thinks Graham Harrell got robbed out of the heisman and being selected in the 1st round ahead of Peyton Manning at the age of 8.

fify

Harrell just took an asst coach job with Okie St.

FGH

[dirk4mvp]

fify

Harrell just took an asst coach job with Okie St.

FGH

lol last year's cotton bowl

lol raped by Snead

lol editing your post 3 times trying to think of something clever

[Blake]

Just by seeing them play.

when someone uses the phrase "clearly player A is better than player B", usually it is backed up with facts instead of ass cheek

[Blake]

lol last year's cotton bowl

lol raped by Snead

lol editing your post 3 times trying to think of something clever

:depressed

[monosylab1k]

when someone uses the phrase "clearly player A is better than player B", usually it is backed up with facts instead of ass cheek

:lol

[dirk4mvp]

when someone uses the phrase "clearly player A is better than player B", usually it is backed up with facts instead of ass cheek

Or he could edit the quote with witty phrases and use faggot acronyms like FGH.

[Blake]

Or he could edit the quote with witty phrases and use faggot acronyms like FGH.

naw, facts are better.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

This is random but J.T. really needs to show up soon for all the shit he (along with me and many other people) has been giving faggot cuckolds like ducks and DarrinS. I have a hard time believing he wouldn't have posted by now if the Colts won.

[monosylab1k]

I also love this bit of media stupidity....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Peyton-Manning-storms-off-Super-Bowl-field-Is-h?urn=nfl,218314

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710

Belichick walks off the field with time remaining, he's a classless motherfucker who deserves to burn in hell.

Manning walks off the field with time remaining, he's just a fiery competitor who hates to lose.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I also love this bit of media stupidity....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Peyton-Manning-storms-off-Super-Bowl-field-Is-h?urn=nfl,218314

Belichick walks off the field with time remaining, he's a classless motherfucker who deserves to burn in hell.

Manning walks off the field with time remaining, he's just a fiery competitor who hates to lose.


Well one is Peyton Manning, the other is Bill BeliCHEAT (:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao)

[bostonguy]

This is random but J.T. really needs to show up soon for all the shit he (along with me and many other people) has been giving faggot cuckolds like ducks and DarrinS. I have a hard time believing he wouldn't have posted by now if the Colts won.

He had his time to sulk. Now he needs to show his face. Not showing it at all today makes him look bad. It sucks to lose like that but me and mono showed up after the loss to the Giants.

[Blake]

This is random but J.T. really needs to show up soon for all the shit he (along with me and many other people) has been giving faggot cuckolds like ducks and DarrinS. I have a hard time believing he wouldn't have posted by now if the Colts won.

eh, I have no doubt he'll show up soon with a good excuse.

I might be lying in a ditch with white powder all over my face too if I lived and breathed manning scrote 24/7 like that.

[dirk4mvp]

For the record, Peyton did call Brees later in the night. Said the Saints quarterback: "Peyton's a class guy." If the man who was supposedly snubbed thinks so, that's enough for me.

Did you read the article you posted?

[monosylab1k]

Did you read the article you posted?

Nobody gives a shit about some halfass phone call he made later.


He then headed toward the locker room before the final seconds expired in New Orleans’ 31-17 win.

Did you read the article?

[monosylab1k]

Belichick was crucified for storming off the field with time remaining.

Same thing with Moss in Minnesota.

But when Peyton does it, it's because he cares so much.

[dirk4mvp]

Nobody gives a shit about some halfass phone call he made later.




No different than the half ass hand shake he would've gave Brees.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Leaving the field early is some of dumbest shit to receive media coverage I've ever seen. Whether Peyton, Lebron, or Belichick does it, it shouldn't even be a story worth covering, but if Belichick is Judas for doing it then so it Peyton.

[monosylab1k]

http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/63795889.png

[HarlemHeat37]

Fuck Peyton Manning for allowing a guy that would do that to his head to receive SB spotlight..that's actually disgusting..

[symple19]

No different than the half ass hand shake he would've gave Brees.

The bottom line is 3>1

Peyton, IMO, is the better quarterback overall. But 3>1 is pretty fucking convincing.

Peyton vs. Brees, 1=1, with Peyton having the big advantage for having taken his team to 2 SBs.

Also, FWIW, Favre and PM now have the same SB record

[SpuronyourFace]

The fact that Montana owns 4 rings puts him head and shoulders above the rest.

Its not really measurable how well a QB has to play and guide his team through the playoffs, make some plays on his own(The Catch), NOT fuck up, and end up with a ring.....Thats why its rare to find a QB with multiple SB rings.....Montana did it 4 times! Thats greatness right there.

[IronMexican]

The fact that Montana owns 4 rings puts him head and shoulders above the rest.


How does it put him "head and shoulders" above the rest, when Brady is only one ring back while still being in his early 30's?

[SpuronyourFace]

How does it put him "head and shoulders" above the rest, when Brady is only one ring back while still being in his early 30's?

Don't take it so literally. But who cares how old Brady is? Were talking about to date. And to date, I think I'll take the guy with more rings, Montana over Brady and Manning. Do you mean to say Brady > Montana based on the fact that Brady has more career left?

[stretch]

why do you morons keep comparing players by using rings as the point of comparison? takes AT LEAST 22 players to win a ring, not ONE, you dumbasses.

[bostonguy]

why do you morons keep comparing players by using rings as the point of comparison? takes AT LEAST 22 players to win a ring, not ONE, you dumbasses.

lol anal hurt

[IronMexican]

Don't take it so literally. But who cares how old Brady is? Were talking about to date. And to date, I think I'll take the guy with more rings, Montana over Brady and Manning. Do you mean to say Brady > Montana based on the fact that Brady has more career left?

Just saying "head and shoulder" is usually more than just one anything. And no I don't think that.

[stretch]

lol anal hurt

how does that make me anal hurt?

i just think its retarded to compare these guys simply by comparing rings

[monosylab1k]

how does that make me anal hurt?

i just think its retarded to compare these guys simply by comparing rings

any other position and your argument is valid.

But QB is so much more important than any other position. That's why it's so rare that a team without an elite QB wins a Super Bowl. You've gotta be so completely badass in every other area of the game to make up for poor quarterbacking.

Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer are the extreme exception. Do you think the Saints win the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer in his prime at QB? If Drew Bledsoe never got hurt, are the Patriots a dynasty?

Rings are an important argument for QB greatness. It's not the only factor, but it absolutely has to weigh heavily in judging a QB.

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any other position and your argument is valid.

But QB is so much more important than any other position. That's why it's so rare that a team without an elite QB wins a Super Bowl. You've gotta be so completely badass in every other area of the game to make up for poor quarterbacking.

Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer are the extreme exception. Do you think the Saints win the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer in his prime at QB? If Drew Bledsoe never got hurt, are the Patriots a dynasty?

Rings are an important argument for QB greatness. It's not the only factor, but it absolutely has to weigh heavily in judging a QB.

i can agree with that

but at the same time, you cant expect the most badass of QBs to be able to lead a shitty team to a championship either

no way in hell does brady, montana, or a majority of other QBs lead a team with a shit defense and a massively overrated coach like the colts to a championship the way Manning did. that team constantly has depended on Manning to lead scoring drives over and over. hell their defense depends on manning, unlike guys like brady who could depend on their defense when the offense was sucking ass. but in mannings case, if hes having a horrible day, then its highly unlikely that the colts are gonna win, especially against really good teams. on the other hand, you gonna tell me that Peyton couldnt win a ring with a team like, say, the steelers? he has the luxury of a solid running game, a badass WR in Ward, and a monster defense that could win games for the steelers. notice, that this year, once the defense started sucking ass, worthlessburger (while putting up nice stats) couldnt win shit. on the other hand, manning has a shit defense, yet puts up 12 wins a season. i think that is enough proof for how good Manning is.

ive said it a number of times and ill say it again...

the best two QBs in NFL history are Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. they both have been able to do things that no other QB was able to do (Manning - winning a superbowl with a pass-only attack and an awful defense, Brady - winning consistently in a capped era with no real superstars around him and a seemingly different style of play every couple years). montana benefited like crazy from the WCO in an era where no one really knew how to defend lethal passing attacks like the WCO (the emergence of the WCO being the reason that the Bears with that loaded-ass defense only won 1 title, because they couldnt stop such an attack). i think that both of them could have won if you replaced montana with them. but i dont think if you replaced Brady or Manning with Montana, that the Pats or Colts would be as successful.

[SpuronyourFace]

You can't really measure statistics of QB's over a generational gap. The game is alot different now than it was back in the 70's, 80's and hell, even 90's. The game is now tailored for higher scoring, to protect QBs, to increase offensive output. There are more rules and limitations that today's defenders have to adhere to. All of this has lead to a spike in offensive production and "better" statistics for todays QBs. You take those considerations, and apply them to the exeptional talents of guys like Brady and Peyton and of course they are going to have massive statistical outputs compared to the QBs of yesteryear, and Montana specifically. Too bad we can't see Peyton and especially Brady play QB in the 70's and 80's with the lack of rules in place in todays game. Getting blown up on just about every passing attempt. You would see a decline in their production.

You state that the Bears only won 1 title in the 80s because of the advent of the WCO, but Im inclined to think that they only won 1 title because of their QB at the helm. Jim McMahon, who was just like Brad johnson and Trent Dilfer.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The 26th ranked pass defense in the NFL shouldn't have been a problem for the awesome Peyton Manning.



It was actually worse, if you consider the type of QBs they faced.

Stafford, Sanchez, Moore, Kolb, Henne, Freeman(twice), Delhomme, Edwards, Redman, Bulger

That ain't exactly a Murderer's Row.


Manning - winning a superbowl with a pass-only attack and an awful defense

Yeah, a pass-only attack that ran the ball 37 times a game in the playoffs.

Is it awful when your defense gives up less than 90 rushing yards/playoff game, 5.5 YPA and creates 13 TOs?

Really?

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Yeah, a pass-only attack that ran the ball 37 times a game in the playoffs.

Is it awful when your defense gives up less than 90 rushing yards/playoff game, 5.5 YPA and creates 13 TOs?

Really?

well first off, they played kansas freaking city so its easy to pad some stats up

next, they played baltimore in awful weather conditions, so of course the offenses will stagnate.

the patriots were a very mediocre running team

the bears had rex grossman (nuff said)

come on man :rolleyes

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You state that the Bears only won 1 title in the 80s because of the advent of the WCO, but Im inclined to think that they only won 1 title because of their QB at the helm. Jim McMahon, who was just like Brad johnson and Trent Dilfer.

generally, the teams that gave them problems were west coast/quick passing offenses. thats why the 46 was such a short lived defense.

[Fabbs]

Brady 2 not 3.
To get *rewarded* for a game ending Tuck fumbling ball makes Bowl 1 nullified to all but the Brady Butt/Pat Worshippers.

That having been said, sometimes in addition to cheating ^^^ it takes luck, ie Joe Montanas 4th qtr throwing the ball right into the hands of the Cinci db who popped off to him all week of the Bowl. Would have virtually sealed the game for Cinci, the rest is history.

Sometimes better to be lucky then good.

[bostonguy]

Brady 2 not 3.
To get *rewarded* for a game ending Tuck fumbling ball makes Bowl 1 nullified to all but the Brady Butt/Pat Worshippers.

That having been said, sometimes in addition to cheating ^^^ it takes luck, ie Joe Montanas 4th qtr throwing the ball right into the hands of the Cinci db who popped off to him all week of the Bowl. Would have virtually sealed the game for Cinci, the rest is history.

Sometimes better to be lucky then good.

Oakland was up 13-3 in the 4th and couldn't hold the lead. Oakland couldn't convert a key 3rd and short on the drive before the "tuck" series. Oakland decided to kneel the ball with the game tied at 13 and send it to OT. Oakland's D couldn't stop the Pats in OT.

Using the tuck rule as the sole reason for why the Pats won that game is comedy. Bad calls are part of the game. Oakland was up 13-3 and had their chances to win that game and they couldn't execute.

[scottspurs]

i agree.

also Troy Aikman> Manning

[stretch]

i agree.

also Troy Aikman> Manning

shut up

[monosylab1k]

Brady 2 not 3.
To get *rewarded* for a game ending Tuck fumbling ball makes Bowl 1 nullified to all but the Brady Butt/Pat Worshippers.

And the NFL record books.

[monosylab1k]

Using the tuck rule as the sole reason for why the Pats won that game is comedy.

Simpletons like Faggs aren't worth arguing with.

*Cue Faggs posting a picture of some retarded Simpsons character, then claiming that you and I are also JT, dirk4mvp, stretch, and anybody else that isn't him. Also some shit about living in the parents' basement, something he talks about so much you wonder if it's an expression of self-loathing*

[IronMexican]

mono likes men.

[monosylab1k]

mono likes men.

take it back!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

To get *rewarded* for a game ending Tuck fumbling ball makes Bowl 1 nullified to all but the Brady Butt/Pat Worshippers.


Yeah I agree, they were rewarded when the refs called a rule exactly as it was supposed to be called. Obviously the refs should have ignored the rules and not done their job.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

O crap there was no need to post that, I already posted something similar under my monosylab1k account.

[Fabbs]

Yeah I agree, they were rewarded when the refs called a rule exactly as it was supposed to be called. Obviously the refs should have ignored the rules and not done their job.
Like they ignored it the 4 zillion previous times it happened.

Letter of the law rulebook. Pssssh.
Insecure Brady Butter spinning.

[Fabbs]

Oakland was up 13-3 in the 4th and couldn't hold the lead. Oakland couldn't convert a key 3rd and short on the drive before the "tuck" series. Oakland decided to kneel the ball with the game tied at 13 and send it to OT. Oakland's D couldn't stop the Pats in OT.

Using the tuck rule as the sole reason for why the Pats won that game is comedy. Bad calls are part of the game. Oakland was up 13-3 and had their chances to win that game and they couldn't execute.
Game over if bogus Tuck bailout not applied.
That's the difference.

Didn't say it was the sole reason.
Show me one playoff game the Pats lost due to a late call.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Like they ignored it the 4 zillion previous times it happened.


I'd love to hear some of these "4 zillion" example when they blatantly ignored a rule.

[Fabbs]

I'd love to hear some of these "4 zillion" example when they blatantly ignored a rule.
Like every time in the history of the NFL a QB fumbled in the same way Brady did and it was ruled....
a fumble!

Not a butthurt cameragate *Tuck*.

[bostonguy]

Game over if bogus Tuck bailout not applied.
That's the difference.

Didn't say it was the sole reason.
Show me one playoff game the Pats lost due to a late call.

Raiders couldn't hold a 13-3 4th quarter lead. Raiders couldn't finish the game by converting on 3rd and short late in the 4th when they were up 13-10. They had chances to avoid being in that situation. That tuck rule happened but Oakland put themselves in that position. To make matters worse, the raiders quit like a bunch of pussies after that call was reversed. Rather than sucking it up and keep playing their asses off, they sulked and fell apart.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Like every time in the history of the NFL a QB fumbled in the same way Brady did and it was ruled....
a fumble!

Not a butthurt cameragate *Tuck*.


Your mom must have participated in a lot of toxic waste chugging contests when she was pregnant with you.

[dirk4mvp]

Your mom must have participated in a lot of toxic waste chugging contests when she was pregnant with you.

:lol good one, J.T./monosylab1k/Ironmexican.

[Unforgivable]

Game over if bogus Tuck bailout not applied.
That's the difference.

Didn't say it was the sole reason.
Show me one playoff game the Pats lost due to a late call.


Let me ask you this scrotum munching mutherfucker, why did you crawl up in the fetal position and disable posting in your profile? I don't even need to call my nigga Bovice to deal with bitch made ass niggas like yourself.

[Alonzo Harris]

Faggs aint no real nigga. When it comes down to who's what, he aint no wolf, he's a fuckin sheep. He best step the fuck back before I knock him in his shriveled up dick with the handle of my guns.

[monosylab1k]

Like every time in the history of the NFL a QB fumbled in the same way Brady did and it was ruled....
a fumble!

By all means, give us one specific example. Just one. That's all.

[monosylab1k]

:lol good one, J.T./monosylab1k/Ironmexican.

http://animatedtv.about.com/library/graphics/ralphnose.jpg


whatever, JTmonoslobdirk4stretch

did you post that from your parents basement? :lol

[Frank Lucas]

Negros like Faggs are the reason Bumpy died. I sell blue magic to fuckin junkies like your beaner ass, know your role wetback.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What's funny is I can give a specific example a year ago when the Cardinals played the Cowboys and Tony Romo fumbled it in his own end zone but he technically "tucked" it and it was ruled an incomplete pass due to the tuck rule when otherwise it would have been a touchdown for AZ.

[Fabbs]

What's funny is I can give a specific example a year ago when the Cardinals played the Cowboys and Tony Romo fumbled it in his own end zone but he technically "tucked" it and it was ruled an incomplete pass due to the tuck rule when otherwise it would have been a touchdown for AZ.
What's funny is you cannot give one before Brady and the Pats were gifted the Tuck. 1st in NFL history.

[Fabbs]

Raiders couldn't finish the game by converting on 3rd and short late in the 4th when they were up 13-10.
This much i agree on. 1st down there more or less finishes the game.
As to Oakland sitting on the ball after the Medicated Tucks were applied to your Pats anus', there was only 2o seconds left. Get real.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

Young > Brady

[Fabbs]

Your mom must have participated in a lot of toxic waste chugging contests when she was pregnant with you.
You're moms career of making up multiple profiles on SpursTalk and seeing you do the same is impressive. All the while reminding you to pick up patches for your TomDoll. Inspiring.

A Lifetime movie soon no doubt.

[Goran Dragic]

You're moms career of making up multiple profiles on SpursTalk and seeing you do the same is impressive. All the while reminding you to pick up patches for your TomDoll. Inspiring.

A Lifetime movie soon no doubt.


Do you think people actually find you funny?

[Goran Dragic]

You're moms career of making up multiple profiles on SpursTalk and seeing you do the same is impressive. All the while reminding you to pick up patches for your TomDoll. Inspiring.

A Lifetime movie soon no doubt.

http://animatedtv.about.com/library/graphics/ralphnose.jpg



You're probably posting this from your mothers basement :lmao

[Fabbs]

You're probably posting this from your mothers basement :lmao
http://www.apollomediablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/ralphnose.jpg
I spent a lot of time copying that from Fabbs.
But my penis still feels small.
Can i sniff some glue before i make up another profile?

Go for it.

[Goran Dragic]

I was making fun of it, not copying it. God damn you're fuckin stupid.