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DarrinS
02-10-2010, 06:48 PM
Ruh roh!

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/10/clueless/




I’m with Simon Johnson here: how is it possible, at this late date, for Obama to be this clueless?

The lead story on Bloomberg right now contains excerpts from an interview with Business Week which tells us:


President Barack Obama said he doesn’t “begrudge” the $17 million bonus awarded to JPMorgan Chase & Co. Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon or the $9 million issued to Goldman Sachs Group Inc. CEO Lloyd Blankfein, noting that some athletes take home more pay.

The president, speaking in an interview, said in response to a question that while $17 million is “an extraordinary amount of money” for Main Street, “there are some baseball players who are making more than that and don’t get to the World Series either, so I’m shocked by that as well.”

“I know both those guys; they are very savvy businessmen,” Obama said in the interview yesterday in the Oval Office with Bloomberg BusinessWeek, which will appear on newsstands Friday. “I, like most of the American people, don’t begrudge people success or wealth. That is part of the free- market system.”

Obama sought to combat perceptions that his administration is anti-business and trumpeted the influence corporate leaders have had on his economic policies. He plans to reiterate that message when he speaks to the Business Roundtable, which represents the heads of many of the biggest U.S. companies, on Feb. 24 in Washington.

Oh. My. God.

First of all, to my knowledge, irresponsible behavior by baseball players hasn’t brought the world economy to the brink of collapse and cost millions of innocent Americans their jobs and/or houses.

And more specifically, not only has the financial industry has been bailed out with taxpayer commitments; it continues to rely on a taxpayer backstop for its stability. Don’t take it from me, take it from the rating agencies:


The planned overhaul of US financial rules prompted Standard & Poor’s to warn on Tuesday it might downgrade the credit ratings of Citigroup and Bank of America on concerns that the shake-up would make it less likely that the banks would be bailed out by US taxpayers if they ran into trouble again.

The point is that these bank executives are not free agents who are earning big bucks in fair competition; they run companies that are essentially wards of the state. There’s good reason to feel outraged at the growing appearance that we’re running a system of lemon socialism, in which losses are public but gains are private. :wow And at the very least, you would think that Obama would understand the importance of acknowledging public anger over what’s happening.

But no. If the Bloomberg story is to be believed, Obama thinks his key to electoral success is to trumpet “the influence corporate leaders have had on his economic policies.”

We’re doomed.

mogrovejo
02-10-2010, 07:02 PM
First of all, to my knowledge, irresponsible behavior by baseball players hasn’t brought the world economy to the brink of collapse and cost millions of innocent Americans their jobs and/or houses.This is funny. Krugman wants the executive branch to punish people (and it seems to me that he wants to punish an entire class of people and not even individuals) because of what he sees as "irresponsible behaviour". Not that it'd be something new. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak)Who cares about details like the rule of law, due process and courts? From now on, you can be punished by the government if you make bad decisions on your private sector job. In fact, you can be punished even if you don't make bad decisions on your job - it's only required that some of your peers engage in what some may see as "irresponsible behaviour".

Maybe those highly-paid consultants for Enron should see their salaries limited by the government for the rest of their lives?


And more specifically, not only has the financial industry has been bailed out with taxpayer commitments; it continues to rely on a taxpayer backstop for its stability.Duh! Idiots like Krugman keep insisting that some companies are "too big to fail"; then they get scandalized that the market sees those same companies as "too big to fail".


The point is that these bank executives are not free agents who are earning big bucks in fair competition; they run companies that are essentially wards of the state.Obviously. And as long as the state keeps subsidizing companies nothing will change. Allow badly managed, failed companies to disappear and this will automatically stop. Is Krugman ready to allow this to happen?


We’re doomed.He's possibly right here.

ChumpDumper
02-10-2010, 09:15 PM
So Darrin is upset that a more conventional socialism isn't being practiced?

"Ruh-roh" indeed.

SouthernFried
02-10-2010, 09:46 PM
Obama not criticizing companies he's been helping?

Posted in another thread...


Oh, there's a lot of things I would suspect the tea partiers are mad about with the Goldman Sachs scheme...this is just the tip.

But, it's not about wall street, its not even really about Goldman sachs...it's more about govt corruption and the select companies it launders thru. Goldman Sachs is just a clearing house for them.

More will be forthcoming I'm sure...cuz there's a lot more.

mogrovejo
02-11-2010, 06:49 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/kristol-i-agree-paul-krugman

mogrovejo
02-11-2010, 06:49 PM
conservatives and republicans should not--as some seem to be tempted to do--praise obama for being friendlier to business in this interview than he has been in the past. They should point out that he's friendly to big businessmen who are friendly to him, and to businessmen whose businesses are enmeshed in an unhealthy way with big government--and that he remains hostile to markets and indifferent, at best, to businessmen who are actually trying to make it without depending on the goodwill of politicians and favors from the government.

+1

Marcus Bryant
02-11-2010, 06:53 PM
There’s good reason to feel outraged at the growing appearance that we’re running a system of lemon socialism, in which losses are public but gains are private.

It took him how long?

ElNono
02-11-2010, 07:33 PM
It took him how long?

I second this. And the biggest backlash for the democrats that voted for him will be exactly because of that.