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Koolaid_Man
02-11-2010, 12:41 AM
While I realize this sort of analysis may be over some of your heads I think it's needed to put a rest to all the superfluous bullshit being presented in light of the Lakers recent success.

(compliments of Tom Ziller)

Kobe has been comfortable his entire career soaking up 32-35 percent of his team's possessions while on the floor. That's where he is now, and while his efficiency is off peak (110 offensive rating this season, as opposed to 115 last year) it's not bad by any means. Further, over his career Kobe's efficiency hasn't improved with lower usage. Take a look at the chart, and concentrate (for now) on the right side.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/pauvskobe-tz-600.jpg

Since the 1999-2000 season, Kobe's usage has fluctuated between "really high" and "really really high." In the highest of the high, his efficiency has been at his best. Kobe doesn't need quality teammates soaking up possessions in order to produce at a high, efficient level.

Pau does, as you can see in the graph. Look at Pau's line of linear regression -- historically, the higher Pau's usage, the lower his efficiency. By dramatic levels. This isn't nearly as clean as it looks; Pau's high-usage seasons, after all, came in Memphis, where he was the centerpiece of an offensively underwhelming unit. Pau's best efficiency -- last season and this season -- has come in L.A. How much of that shift can be attributed to the lowered usage rates versus the better supporting cast? That's hard to tell. And that's at the crux of any argument that Pau specifically should see the ball more. If his increased efficiency is due to the smaller role relative to his Memphis days, an increase in possessions now would hurt his efficiency; at some point, there's a break-even between Pau's overall superior efficiency and Kobe's basically stable level. Or, at some point, it won't be in the Lakers' best interest to give Pau the ball more, because Kobe will be able to get more points out of each subsequent possession.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/02/02/kobe-vs-pau-the-problem-is-elsewhere/

Goran Dragic
02-11-2010, 12:43 AM
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj300/Zhusuke/CoolStoryBro.jpg

Chieflion
02-11-2010, 12:45 AM
He posted this to tell us Kobe sucks. Cool story, bro.

Koolaid_Man
02-11-2010, 12:48 AM
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj300/Zhusuke/CoolStoryBro.jpg


lol...how fitting the pic of Bush when facts are presented because while in office he routinely ignored facts (probably because he couldn't comprehend them) when slapped in the face with them...how fitting...:lol

HarlemHeat37
02-11-2010, 12:56 AM
The guy says it himself in the last paragraph, it's too hard to tell which category this falls into..we need a much bigger sample size with either Gasol as the main option of the Lakers with Kobe out or with Gasol getting more touches with Kobe in the game..

Pau's complaints about how the Lakers should get the ball down low more often is obviously telling..

Killakobe81
02-11-2010, 01:38 AM
A pareto chart ...
On Spurs talk?
In the Kobe hate oops NBA forum?

I appreciate the effort but most of these losers can't even spell Pareto chart much less read one ...

But hey this is better than the ones i have to look at on the job ...so thanks!

ambchang
02-11-2010, 11:10 AM
Do you even know what a pareto chart is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_chart

Muser
02-11-2010, 11:17 AM
That's some bad koolaid.

DUNCANownsKOBE2
02-11-2010, 11:21 AM
That's some bad koolaid.


Don't bring that kool-aid to a grown man's party.

Koolaid_Man
01-19-2012, 07:33 PM
Don't bring that kool-aid to a grown man's party.

DMC why are you lurking in my old shit..you obessed with me or what...:lol

DMC
01-19-2012, 07:46 PM
I did a search for "pareto" looking for a chart I saw once. Why you snooping on my activities? You skeert?

I know enough about you to ruin you already.

dunkman
01-19-2012, 07:48 PM
The Lakers went as far as Gasol took them. Unfortunately, for the Lakers, the Gasol era came to its end . . .

Koolaid_Man
01-19-2012, 07:52 PM
I did a search for "pareto" looking for a chart I saw once. Why you snooping on my activities? You skeert?

I know enough about you to ruin you already.


I know enough about me to ruin me already :lol

Koolaid_Man
01-19-2012, 07:54 PM
I did a search for "pareto" looking for a chart I saw once. Why you snooping on my activities? You skeert?

I know enough about you to ruin you already.


and truth be told you were looking for my post...no one here but me has posted the word Pareto...you're just like midget always trying to steal my intellect and pass it off as yours...you gotdam wombats you :lol...

DMC
01-19-2012, 08:07 PM
Hey dumbass, I still haven't found what I'm looking for. It likely doesn't have the word "pareto" attached to it.

If I wanted to see your posts, I would never need to go beyond page 1 of this forum.

Koolaid_Man
01-19-2012, 08:09 PM
Hey dumbass, I still haven't found what I'm looking for. It likely doesn't have the word "pareto" attached to it.

If I wanted to see your posts, I would never need to go beyond page 1 of this forum.

stay the fuck out of my threads and posts...you fucking tomb raider :lol

DMC
01-19-2012, 08:11 PM
stay the fuck out of my threads and posts...you fucking tomb raider :lol
Womb raider tbh... that's verbatim.

DPG21920
01-19-2012, 08:20 PM
A pareto chart ...
On Spurs talk?
In the Kobe hate oops NBA forum?

I appreciate the effort but most of these losers can't even spell Pareto chart much less read one ...

But hey this is better than the ones i have to look at on the job ...so thanks!

:lol You're kidding right? There are quite a few smart people on here sans the one who posted the OP.

DMC
01-19-2012, 08:22 PM
:lol You're kidding right? There are quite a few smart people on here sans the one who posted the OP.
:lmao http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/Style_Templates/nba/statusicon/post_old.gif 02-11-2010, 12:38 AM

DPG21920
01-19-2012, 08:34 PM
Haha, definitely didn't see that, still a dumb comment and I definitely didn't include myself as one of those smart people.